Ashlee Simpson gets busted on SNL

[Jezebel]

Did anyone happen to catch this? Apparently someone fucked up and she was caught using prerecorded audio live. The whole band was caught off guard and Ashlee ran off stage.

The genmay forum has the video links (http://genmay.com/showthread.php?t=450247)

[Melody]

awww

i hope she's all right

i think a lot of singing ppl use prerecorded vocals

[Utopmk]

Yeah, I saw it live. She blamed the band for "playing the wrong song." I think her career is over, like Milli Vanilli.

The monkey dance was a classic. :rofl:
http://img62.exs.cx/img62/4295/simpsonfup.gif

Look what they did to her poor forum: http://www.ashleemedia.net/forum/viewforum.php?f=2

[Jezebel]

awww

i hope she's all right

i think a lot of singing ppl use prerecorded vocals

Yeah, I guess the vocals are forgivable since she has such a great backup band. That's the first time I've seen a bassist so talented that he could play with one hand. :rofl:

[EternalCynic]

..Ouch. Man, that would just be.. awful. I do feel a little bad for her :blush:

[s]

I hate teen pop, so I am still cracking up about it.

So much for Saturday Night LIVE...

[CeSoirNoir]

I don't know why people are making such a big deal about this...I dont' really have any strong feelings about it...I would be very embarassed, but she kind of humored herself about it by doing her little dance...life will go on!

[jimkopelli]

Har har. I missed it, but it will probably make the rounds. I don't think it will ruin her career... oh well. I wouldn't know her if she kicked me in the face anyway.

[booyalab]

I don't know why people are making such a big deal about this...I dont' really have any strong feelings about it...I would be very embarassed, but she kind of humored herself about it by doing her little dance...life will go on!

I agree...and anyways a lot of artists really don't sing live.

[Groty]

Call in the Damage Control!

Hilarious!

I always found it interesting that bands supposedly "LIVE" on tv sound just like they do on a CD, which is recorded track by track, in a sealed studio.

How bout dem super bowl shows?

[Spartan26]

awww

i hope she's all right

i think a lot of singing ppl use prerecorded vocals

Yeah, I guess the vocals are forgivable since she has such a great backup band. That's the first time I've seen a bassist so talented that he could play with one hand. :rofl:
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! :rofl:

Roger Clinton, Brian Dole Murray, Ozzie Conseco, Chad Lowe...being a sibling to someone famous will only take you so far anyway. How old is she? 16? 17? Maybe not quite culpable for the noise pollution she's generating. I'm sure she's felt enough embarassment covering from the multitude of stupid things her sister's said over the years that she's probably immune to the shame virus.

I generally just turn the channel whenever she's on, mainly out of boredom. Not like listening to Britney where I feel my ears are about to bleed. It's funny to hear about, and I wish I'd seen it, but she's not on my list of who'd I'd like to see go down in a ball of flames.

There's this place called Modena Motors on La Cienga Blvd in Beverly Hills that has a nice bright canary yellow Lamborghini Murcielago perched in the front window. My guess is at 10 o'clock when they open tomorrow morning, big sis will be there with her checkbook to wipe away all of Ashlee's tears.

[Melody]

sounds like lord of the rings and the matrix put together

[MacGuffin]

Roger Clinton, Brian Dole Murray, Ozzie Conseco, Chad Lowe...being a sibling to someone famous will only take you so far anyway.

Hey! Chad Lowe is mildly talented! He does not deserve that!

[Seraph]

Don't spend too much time feeling sorry for her. Her actions were despicable. Walking off stage was extremely unprofessional, especially contrasted with her band who was trying its darndest at damage control. Then, she had the gall to blame them for the entire incident at the end of the show.

The girl deserves every bit of negative attention she's getting. She may not be the only person pulling this type of scam on preteen consumers, but perhaps her fall will serve as a warning to the rest of them.

By the way, Ashlee Simpson is 20 years old and should be expected to exhibit more maturity.

[Melody]

hmmm i thoughted she was like 16 or so

i wonder if anyone said "d'oh" when that happened

[file cabinet]

popculture *yawn*

[Spartan26]

Roger Clinton, Brian Dole Murray, Ozzie Conseco, Chad Lowe...being a sibling to someone famous will only take you so far anyway.

Hey! Chad Lowe is mildly talented! He does not deserve that!

Yes, that's my point - "Mildly talented"

Actually, if it wasn't so creepy to look at him, "Hey, is that what's his name's brother...?" every time you see him, I wouldn't be surprised if he has more range than Rob.

[Spartan26]

Don't spend too much time feeling sorry for her. Her actions were despicable. Walking off stage was extremely unprofessional, especially contrasted with her band who was trying its darndest at damage control. Then, she had the gall to blame them for the entire incident at the end of the show.

The girl deserves every bit of negative attention she's getting. She may not be the only person pulling this type of scam on preteen consumers, but perhaps her fall will serve as a warning to the rest of them.

By the way, Ashlee Simpson is 20 years old and should be expected to exhibit more maturity.

Wow! Before this, the only thing I thought was questionable about Ashlee was her hideous and unnecessary dye job.

That's what I like about intp's. Such a well thought-out argument, Seraph! I am now completely in your camp. I see that you're from Texas so I hope this doesn't mean I'm expected to go out and purchase albums by the other Duff girl.

I would've imagined that Ashlee's people would've been screaming at her to get off stage if the fear/embarassment gene didn't kick in and get her running in the first place. Definitely hate unprofessional behavior by performers. Part of the problem of having stuff handed to you is that you don't get the opportunity develop through the tough sets and various miscues to know what to do.

But, I guess it's true, EVERYBODY pays their dues. Most people at the beginning of their careers, some people, like Gary Colemen, at the end of their careers.

[Dr. Caligari]

Quoth the wildly talented Ashlee Simpson in some magazine:

"Q: What are your takes on lip-synching?

A: I'm totally against it and offended by it. I'm going out to let my real talent show, not to just stand there and dance around. Personally, I'd never lip-synch. It's just not me."

[libertarianjim]

Roger Clinton, Brian Dole Murray, Ozzie Conseco, Chad Lowe...being a sibling to someone famous will only take you so far anyway.

You left out Billy Carter and Alain Lemieux.

[ohnoaninfp]

oh well that will teach her not to use prerecorded vocals

[Postblank]

They Might Be Giants can't stay on a label but this vacuous twit has a chart-topping album? I wish this stuff would happen more so kids (and their parents) would wise up to how corporate America markets them just any garbage laying around.

[Seraph]

That's what I like about intp's. Such a well thought-out argument, Seraph! I am now completely in your camp. I see that you're from Texas so I hope this doesn't mean I'm expected to go out and purchase albums by the other Duff girl.

Thanks. Trust me, I'd forgotten Hilary Duff's from Tejas before you mentioned it. Aren't the Simpson girls from Texas, too? At least the South.

By the way, they're not representative of the vocal talent in this state.

MTV.com (God bless their biased hearts) just mentioned the incident in an article:

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1492993/20041025/simpson_ashlee.jhtml?headlines=true

There's a few quotes from Ashlee Simpson herself from her web site. Her throat may have been sore, but she has yet to prove to anyone that she can sing live.

[Niflheimian]

Hmm, seems like Ashlee pulled a John Kerry, heh.

Lucky Magazine: What are your takes on lip-synching?
Ashlee Simpson: I'm totally against it and offended by it. I'm going out to let my real talent show, not to just stand there and dance around. Personally, I'd never lip-synch. It's just not me.

[Postblank]

Hmm, seems like Ashlee pulled a John Kerry, heh.

Lucky Magazine: What are your takes on lip-synching?
Ashlee Simpson: I'm totally against it and offended by it. I'm going out to let my real talent show, not to just stand there and dance around. Personally, I'd never lip-synch. It's just not me.Doing the Kerry requires performing the act prior to contradicting yourself. But, to Kerry's defense he's:
1. a politician
2. a certifiable reason to change his mind
3. a swarm of spinsters readily availiable to dispense the latest doublespeak
4. down with O.P.P.

Ashlee Simpson has none of these excuses. :D

[Niflheimian]

Sorry if I wasn't clear enough. I was (broadly) referring to the inability to form a solid opinion (and oftentimes contradicting said opinion), as demonstrated by our dear friend Jonathon (assuming that is his full name). If you want to compartmentalize that and break it down...well, fine, but it's (probably)not true to my original intent.

[Birdsnest]

Another source: http://www.feedroom.com/iframeset.jsp?ord=999794

[Postblank]

Sorry if I wasn't clear enough. I was (broadly) referring to the inability to form a solid opinion (and oftentimes contradicting said opinion), as demonstrated by our dear friend Jonathon (assuming that is his full name). If you want to compartmentalize that and break it down...well, fine, but it's (probably)not true to my original intent.It was a joke, dude.

[Melody]

:nerd:

[Niflheimian]

Oh, my apologies then. I'm not always sure what's supposed to be humor and what isn't (though that smiley face should've given me a clue). :huh:

[Spartan26]

I'd forgotten Hilary Duff's from Tejas before you mentioned it. Aren't the Simpson girls from Texas, too? At least the South.

MTV.com (God bless their biased hearts) just mentioned the incident in an article:

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1492993/20041025/simpson_ashlee.jhtml?headlines=true


I think you're right, the Simpsons could be from Texas too. If not Louisiana.

re:article
It just gets worse each passing moment. Do you have to be an intp to see obvious gaps in logic? Crap, it's insulting. At least Milli Vanilli stuck to the same lie every time they opened their mouths, "We wanted to sing but they wouldn't let us." I believe them.

First it's the band - like 8 people symultaneously played the wrong song, only she was right??? Then it's a sore throat. Then it's a computer glitch. Then it's the drummer's fault for pushing the wrong button, not hitting the one for the drumming track but instead played her album. Like, why would you need to have her actual cd programmed in in the first place? Then it's acid reflux. Then it's a case of everybody else does it, so can we? So says her father who said "no one would want to hear her croak out a song." Well, no kidding. If she can't sing then she can't sing. Don't lie to us or act like she deserves to be in the spotlight any more than the back up band who can at least play their own insturments.

What I want to know is do her publicists think they're fooling anyone? Not to condon it, but I can understand why someone would have a backing track for singing the national anthem at a football game. Mics go out all the time at sporting events and then there's the echo that bounces back in stadiums and could screw someone up.

When groups record videos, they use pre-recorded tracks and not the actual band playing because audio and film record at different speeds so you have to use a machine that syncs the two. Neither of those two scenarios happened with Ashlee.

I'd say I'd boycott her but I was never planning to purchase anything by her anyway. ;P

[crule81]

Bands used to "mime" all of the time in the 60's and 70's on shows like Ed Sullivan. Real bands hated doing it but were required to do it. The funny thing is that they often made no attempt to hide it and, in fact, flaunted the absurdity of the situation. I've heard that Madonna and Britney usually lip sync because it is difficult to sing and do all of those dance moves (hard to sing when out of breath). I'm not saying its right, but only that there is precedent other than Milli Vanilli.

[Spartan26]

I've heard that Madonna and Britney usually lip sync because it is difficult to sing and do all of those dance moves (hard to sing when out of breath). I'm not saying its right, but only that there is precedent other than Milli Vanilli. Yeah, that sorta came out as part of the Vanilli fallout. To me, it kinda takes away something. You can't really tell which ones have the true performance chops. Unless they're so winded to where they're missing half the song, I wouldn't care if they're less than perfect.

But, again, Britney, Janet and Madonna can pull that excuse because they can dance. I just saw Ashlee on some award show and she's not in that category. Of the few partial songs I've heard her sing, she doesn't seem to be of the Whitney or Mariah elk, to where you go to hear her pipes either.

Camera shots didn't show much of the band. Wonder if it's the same band of merry men as were on SNL? They must've been real happy sitting in coach making the five hour flight to Vegas while Princess Ashlee was yukking it up in first class, doing the morning talk show rounds via skyphone, talking about what a bunch of dolts she has behind her.

So maybe the band did play the wrong song...? But maybe the band had a good reason...

[crule81]

Now she's saying something about having acid reflux. I know that acid reflux can wreck havoc on the throat. I do vaguely remember seeing part of her MTV show where she went to the doctor because of some throat problem. (I was just flipping through channels, really) I hate to seem to be making excuses for her because attempting to blame the band is cowardly, especially when she changes her story shortly after.

[Claverhouse]

This whole thread just shows how stereotypes are plain wrong, and it's wrong to stereotype anyone. From the book you'd reckon INTPs were cold, mean and sarcastic people laughing at those they consider foolish...



Claverhouse :ph34r:

[Postblank]

So maybe the band did play the wrong song...? But maybe the band had a good reason...The same song as the first song from earlier in the show?

I'd think they'd be able to remember at some point that they had just played that song. Plus everyone is giving a different excuse, Ashlee says the band played the wrong song, the label said something about a percussion sample flub and the father says acid reflux. I call bullshit.

[greenintp]

To error is human, or just bad programming. :(

[s]

*still mean and laughing at the little trollop*

[Claverhouse]

Still, she must be given some credit for spelling Ashley that way.
Unfortunately I've never heard her or her iconic sister, but always thought the latter looked pretty fit. The slurs on her intelligence are probably cooked up by her publicity machine.

I bet they're both twice as intelligent as Tony Blair and Dick Cheney put together...


Claverhouse :ph34r:

[cryptique]

I don't know why people are making such a big deal about this...I dont' really have any strong feelings about it...I would be very embarassed, but she kind of humored herself about it by doing her little dance...life will go on!

I agree...and anyways a lot of artists really don't sing live.
Wrong. Lots of useless pop pretenders don't really sing live. True "artists" don't have to resort to such bullshit.


Thanks. Trust me, I'd forgotten Hilary Duff's from Tejas before you mentioned it. Aren't the Simpson girls from Texas, too? At least the South.

By the way, they're not representative of the vocal talent in this state.
Certainly not. But these guys (http://www.spoontheband.com) are. Sometimes I wish I lived in Austin.

[Spartan26]

So maybe the band did play the wrong song...? But maybe the band had a good reason...The same song as the first song from earlier in the show?

I'd think they'd be able to remember at some point that they had just played that song. Plus everyone is giving a different excuse, Ashlee says the band played the wrong song, the label said something about a percussion sample flub and the father says acid reflux. I call bullshit.
What I was trying to say is if she's so quick to blame her band for something that's not their fault, it's a good indication she hasn't treated them that well all along. It's like Mike Piazza catching in the All-Star game. Do you think that was a coincidence that Roger Clemens had THE worst start of his career, giving up all those monsterous home runs in the first inning and being totally embarassed in front of all of his friends and family or Mike serving up a big-assed plate of revenge? I was joking that maybe the band set her up...


This whole thread just shows how stereotypes are plain wrong, and it's wrong to stereotype anyone. From the book you'd reckon INTPs were cold, mean and sarcastic people laughing at those they consider foolish...
:blush: Guilty!
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Jezebel]

Personally, it's not Ashlee I have the problem with, but the way the entire pop music industry is run.

In reality though I have doubts that this will do much damage. Sure, here on the INTP board we ridicule her and the industry. But I don't think most of us fit her target audience anyway. It's mostly young girls, who for the most part I don't think care about bands/artists writing their own songs, playing their own instruments, and probably not even if they use prerecorded vocals when they sing "live". I'd be interested in seeing how her record sales do after this-- do they go down because her fans realize how fake the industry can be, or go up because of all the easy publicity she just got?

[int]

Even the average idiot asks me if the artist on the tube at any particular point is lip synicing. 90% of the time I say yes and show them how I know.

It's not changing anything. Although I wish it would.

And no, I havent isolated the real issue yet, but I think it has something to do with McDonald's, Disney, and no interest 'til 2006 plans.

[candela]

Well she was going to fail at life anyway.

[Spartan26]

Anyone see 60 Minutes? They were taping a segment on SNL & happned to catch the whole thing. Apparently she was having voice problems earlier in the evening. Still a lot of unanswered questions. Still don't like the whole blaming of the band and the fifty million excuses before settling in on acid reflux.

[Jezebel]

Anyone see 60 Minutes? They were taping a segment on SNL & happned to catch the whole thing. Apparently she was having voice problems earlier in the evening. Still a lot of unanswered questions. Still don't like the whole blaming of the band and the fifty million excuses before settling in on acid reflux.

Maybe her agents knew 60 minutes were there so they set it all up so she could be on their show too. You'd think she was important with all the publicity she's getting. :P

[Spartan26]

Anyone see 60 Minutes? They were taping a segment on SNL & happned to catch the whole thing. Apparently she was having voice problems earlier in the evening. Still a lot of unanswered questions. Still don't like the whole blaming of the band and the fifty million excuses before settling in on acid reflux.

Maybe her agents knew 60 minutes were there so they set it all up so she could be on their show too. You'd think she was important with all the publicity she's getting. :P

It was all about SNL & Loren Michaels. Apparently the inspiration for Michael Myers' Dr. Evil in the Austin Powers movies (not a good thing). Anyway, I was waiting for some hollywood p/r juggernaut spin to come into play but really didn't see any. They showed her leave the stage distraught after dress rehersals and said it was from voice problems. I can't remember if they used the "acid reflux" excuse. For all we know she could've been upset that Miami didn't cover the spread but yeah, she was shaken.

Then later they talk a little about her being the only artist in the shows' history to walk off stage. Surprisingly, Loren didn't seem that upset about it. He fired Damon Wayans off the show in mid taping for ad-libbing a line and got Martin Lawrence booted off of NBC for his monologue. We should all face the dramatic career sky-rocketing setback that they incured but that's another thread.

Loren denied any knowledge of the lip syncing prior to the event. One of the show producers and the director had to know, which makes it hard for me to believe Loren didn't know. But it's not really his fault.

[Hunter]

And then...last SNL...after mocking this whole thing for 45 minutes...the same thing happens to Eminem. Might actually make the show worth watching if people like them keep screwing up on it.