Famous INTP criminals.

[PsiKik]

You often see lists of famous people by MBTI type.
I wonder about crimminals by type.
I was wondering what sort of crime would INTP's indulge in mostly?
Any famous INTP crimminals?

[MacGuffin]

I assume the quiet serial killer could be INTP.

But most serial killers have their own ritual. Too J-ish.

In fact, most criminal masterminds are probably Js.

[Avengardh]

Voldermont! (Well, unless you don't think of him as a criminal...)

I know he's not a person...but that's all I can think of...I took one of those "Really accurate Harry Potter tests based on MBTI" and came out as him.

Hn, I don't know enough about other criminals though...maybe the Columbine kids??

[Arioch]

I assume the quiet serial killer could be INTP.

But most serial killers have their own ritual. Too J-ish.

In fact, most criminal masterminds are probably Js.

I don't think this that having a certain M.O. really means your a J. It's part of the whole "cray" thing.


Voldermont! (Well, unless you don't think of him as a criminal...)

I know he's not a person...but that's all I can think of...I took one of those "Really accurate Harry Potter tests based on MBTI" and came out as him.

Hn, I don't know enough about other criminals though...maybe the Columbine kids??

Eek! I don't know what personality Type Voldemort is but I doubt it if it's a INTP. More of a ENxJ but I'd have to think about it.

[MacGuffin]

I assume the quiet serial killer could be INTP.

But most serial killers have their own ritual. Too J-ish.

In fact, most criminal masterminds are probably Js.

I don't think this that having a certain M.O. really means your a J. It's part of the whole "cray" thing.

"Cray".

Yeah I suppose a Cray supercomputer could go evil. It's probably be an INTP.

[int]

I was standing in the shower this morning thinking about egging my neighbors house, when I started wondering the same question. Weird.

Probably petty crimes to gain a little cash. I don't think I could commit to serial crimes - that's how you get caught (look at the majoity of cheaters in Vegas - they get caught because of their greed. They keep coming back and eventually someone catches on). Random, sporadic execution of a single crime is key.

[t]

I assume the quiet serial killer could be INTP.

But most serial killers have their own ritual. Too J-ish.

In fact, most criminal masterminds are probably Js.

i agree. i could see an INTP maybe thinking up the idea, but never completing it... or losing interest after one crime.

[Postblank]

Any famous INTP crimminals?No, because they don't get caught. :D

[booyalab]

I sometimes ponder evil strategies because it's fun, but I think INTPs have a better grasp at where to draw the line between fantasy and reality than INTJs do.

[Nindy]

I assume the quiet serial killer could be INTP.

But most serial killers have their own ritual. Too J-ish.

In fact, most criminal masterminds are probably Js.

i agree. i could see an INTP maybe thinking up the idea, but never completing it... or losing interest after one crime.

I disagree. As Arioch says it's a part of the whole M.O., and mostly there's a lot of compulsivity behind it.
Also it is a fact that people who have trouble with connecting to others can lose themselves in such morbid fantasies and feel so frustrated against society for lacking this social ability (even though they mostly lack interest in others this can occur) that they have potential for becoming a serial killer. Murdering is addictive. Plus, just a disorder with all this can put them over the edge.
It could be that there are more Js committing (this sort of) crime and I do believe that an INTP rather thinks up the idea than actually going through with it, but it's definitely not impossible for an INTP to be a serial killer.

Just needed to give my opinion on this specific matter, I've read a lot about psychology, psychopathology and serial killers lately so... :)
Edit: not that I'm insinuating to be an expert at the subject or anything!! Or wait, I am :D

[Seraph]

Any famous INTP crimminals?No, because they don't get caught. :D

Oh-so true!

By the way, spelling "criminal" with two "M's" is very un-INTP-ish.

[Boozer]

Any famous INTP crimminals?No, because they don't get caught. :D

Oh-so true!

By the way, spelling "criminal" with two "M's" is very un-INTP-ish.

I think harping on spelling is un-INTP-ish.
But maybe it's just me being a lazy/bad speller and trying to defend it, meh.

[lauriep]

What MBTI type are those kids that go crazy in high school and go on shooting sprees? On the news, they always talk about how they feel so alone and isolated and no one understands them. They also seem to spend lots of time dreaming up ways to do it before something finally pushes them over the edge.

[CosmicDust]

Bill Gates? ;) A lot of hackers and software pirates might be INTP's (Gates is the latter)...but that's not violent crime.

[Arioch]

What MBTI type are those kids that go crazy in high school and go on shooting sprees? On the news, they always talk about how they feel so alone and isolated and no one understands them. They also seem to spend lots of time dreaming up ways to do it before something finally pushes them over the edge.

INFP's probably ^_^ If I'm going to jump to a conclusion based on few facts.
Just kidding.

But god what wining children. "we had no friends, we had no friends". Wern't they like six of them in some pictures? And I think the two that actually went a shooting and ended up killing themselves afterwards must have been really good friends.

6 friends and at least one of them a very good one.
How many people here can boost the same? I sure as hell can't.
Six.... SIX FRIENDS... you can have a bloody football match with that many people. Six people, some food, drink and music... possible some computers and you've got yourself a party.

[shaytana]

I sometimes ponder evil strategies because it's fun, but I think INTPs have a better grasp at where to draw the line between fantasy and reality than INTJs do.

Not true, I have been trying to talk my INTJ ex into going on a cross country road trip/killing spree for years and he just wont bite.

[Arioch]

I sometimes ponder evil strategies because it's fun, but I think INTPs have a better grasp at where to draw the line between fantasy and reality than INTJs do.

Not true, I have been trying to talk my INTJ ex into going on a cross country road trip/killing spree for years and he just wont bite.

I cheer up a ISFP friend of mine by telling her that we'll go out and make people bleed for her pleasure. Or kill.... or torture.... so much variety

[spirilis]

Bill Gates? ;) A lot of hackers and software pirates might be INTP's (Gates is the latter)...but that's not violent crime.
I've read on several accounts that Bill Gates is an ENTJ...

[MacGuffin]

What MBTI type are those kids that go crazy in high school and go on shooting sprees? On the news, they always talk about how they feel so alone and isolated and no one understands them. They also seem to spend lots of time dreaming up ways to do it before something finally pushes them over the edge.

INFP's probably ^_^ If I'm going to jump to a conclusion based on few facts.
Just kidding.

But god what wining children. "we had no friends, we had no friends". Wern't they like six of them in some pictures? And I think the two that actually went a shooting and ended up killing themselves afterwards must have been really good friends.

6 friends and at least one of them a very good one.
How many people here can boost the same? I sure as hell can't.
Six.... SIX FRIENDS... you can have a bloody football match with that many people. Six people, some food, drink and music... possible some computers and you've got yourself a party.

Chris Rock did a bit on that. "Six friends? I didn't have six friends in high school!"

[int]

I sometimes ponder evil strategies because it's fun, but I think INTPs have a better grasp at where to draw the line between fantasy and reality than INTJs do.

Not true, I have been trying to talk my INTJ ex into going on a cross country road trip/killing spree for years and he just wont bite.

B)

I have the sole responsibility of blending and serving one of my friends at his funeral, after he completes his spree and is taken down by several hundred law enforcement officials.

[Utopmk]

I just haven't became famous yet.




Probably petty crimes to gain a little cash. I don't think I could commit to serial crimes - that's how you get caught (look at the majoity of cheaters in Vegas - they get caught because of their greed. They keep coming back and eventually someone catches on). Random, sporadic execution of a single crime is key.

Good tip. :D

[Ckyzxr]

Any famous INTP crimminals?No, because they don't get caught. :D

My guess is that Postblank is right on the money here. If I were to commit major crimes, my first priority would be to not get caught. If I were going to get caught, I wouldn't do it. I would pretty much expect the same from most of you. ;) ;) :devil:

[Laeskis]

I know how to get away with a lot of crime...at least I've planned them out so. But I never do any of them.
Someone fetch me a J type so my nefarious plottings can be put into practice, then we'd have a criminal to talk about.

[Melody]

reminded of both edgar allan poe and yoda, the two greatest criminals ever; i have been

[Laeskis]

wait a minute....
I bet the unabomber was INTP.

[Claverhouse]

reminded of both edgar allan poe and yoda, the two greatest criminals ever; i have been

Poe was a criminal ?



Claverhouse :ph34r:


[ I did a search for Japanese, Criminal, Yoda, but it seems to come up with chess and manga. 976 replies: you check.

Google Search (http://www.google.com/search?q=japanese+criminal+yoda&start=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official) ].

[SheepDog]

Any famous INTP crimminals?No, because they don't get caught. :D
That was my reflex response.

My thought is that an INTP criminal would only do it if a serious principle was being violated and they had few choices but to act on it.

Either that, or wanting to do it so they could get away with it.

But probably a combination of both.

I wouldn't be surprised if one or more members of the Weather Underground was an INTP, for example.

[Arioch]

wait a minute....
I bet the unabomber was INTP.

You're not the first one to say that. I think he was typed as one though.

[PsiKik]

I can imagine an INTP as being the advisor to a 'mr big' in a crime organization who
comes up with the fiendish plans which the others then implement.
What about accountants in crooked companies who figure out ways to inflate share price etc.

[spirilis]

reminded of both edgar allan poe and yoda, the two greatest criminals ever; i have been
You rang?

[MacGuffin]

reminded of both edgar allan poe and yoda, the two greatest criminals ever; i have been
You rang?

Fools! I wiped out the Jedi. Yoda ran and hid like a little pansy on Dagobah.

[jimkopelli]

reminded of both edgar allan poe and yoda, the two greatest criminals ever; i have been
You rang?

Fools! I wiped out the Jedi. Yoda ran and hid like a little pansy on Dagobah.
Shouldn't this be on the deathmatch thread? You two should duke it out... it would be funny...
What about fictional villans? The guys from 007? Moriarity? How many of them are INTPs?

[sbw]

Chris Rock: "I didn't have six friends in high school. I ain't got six friends NOW!"

[Viva_Hate]

I bet John List was. Especially considering how he managed to disappear for so many years before being caught.

[rhinosaur]

*nominates candidate for the INTPc Necromancy award*

And I think this thread is enough evidence to claim "In the Beginning, there was MacGuffin."

[aether]

I bet John List was. Especially considering how he managed to disappear for so many years before being caught.

I doubt it because he had bachelor's degree in business administration and a master's degree in accounting and also served in the army. They don't seem like the typical careers an Intp would go into. Or it could be possible he went insane because he was in the wrong fields, if he really was INTP, but I doubt it.

[Archvile]

*nominates candidate for the INTPc Necromancy award*

And I think this thread is enough evidence to claim "In the Beginning, there was MacGuffin."

This isn't the first thread ever posted on INTPc.

[Oso Mocoso]

This isn't the first thread ever posted on INTPc.

Out of curiosity, do you know what was?

[Rhu]

Just change the n to in the "showthread.php?t=n" to 1 (http://forums.intpcentral.com/showthread.php?t=1)!

[Oso Mocoso]

Just change the n to in the "showthread.php?t=n" to 1 (http://forums.intpcentral.com/showthread.php?t=1)!

Oh, neat. I didn't think of trying that.

It's kind of a boring thread. And no MacGuffin.

[Works]

Oh, neat. I didn't think of trying that.

It's kind of a boring thread. And no MacGuffin.

Mclovin?

[MacGuffin]

Look, I'm not even buzzed yet.

[Delilah]

Look, I'm not even buzzed yet.

Worst laywer ever.

[rhinosaur]

It may not be the first thread evar, but it could possibly be the longest time between posts. It went dead 10-28-04 and was resurrected 3-27-08, which is a difference of about three years and five months.

[Oso Mocoso]

Look, I'm not even buzzed yet.

You're not even trying. Do a shot.

[fresh]

I imagine most INTP criminals aren't famous.

[mmortal03]

I've read on several accounts that Bill Gates is an ENTJ...

I've read that as well. I tend to think he is most definitely the executive type, at least, behind closed doors at Microsoft. All the documentaries about him, (i.e., not that Pirates of Silicon Valley one), portray him as being this introverted, shy, socially inept genius kid, but I think he knows what he wants, he had a specific interest, was there at the right place and right time, and then he kicked ass and took names to get what he wanted.

[digesthisickness]

"Microsoft boss Bill Gates was photographed by the Albuquerque, New Mexico police in 1977 after a traffic violation."

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/graphics/packageart/mugshots/gatesmug.jpg

no point to this post other than i just love his expression. it's like he panicked and went into 'third-grade school portrait' mode.

[Polly_G]

I think INTPs could get into morbid fantasizing but even then, their focus on other possibilities I think prevents it from going too far. Just the way I go about problem solving I think would prevent this from happening. I'd be weighing the possibilities and outcomes. I think to do this kind of thing you'd have to be self-involved at an extreme level and my experience is INTPs often try to be aware of those things that go beyond self.

[Yasir]

No friends.
Wouldnt want to get caught on priority basis if did something.
The Advisor to the boss would fit me.
Am an accountant and always thinking of ways to get by the laws. Dont do it actually coz already rich.
I wish I believed in something like religion or my country or being a ganglord and having power to have the drive to become something like a spy or something.
Le Chiffre from casino royale???

[walfin]

Bill Gates actually looks kinda cute in the 2nd photo.

[meanlittlechimp]

Ted Kaczynski is probably an intp or intj.

[kuranes]

"Microsoft boss Bill Gates was photographed by the Albuquerque, New Mexico police in 1977 after a traffic violation."

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/graphics/packageart/mugshots/gatesmug.jpg



Bill Gates actually looks kinda cute in the 2nd photo.
Bill reminds me of actor Michael Cera in the first photo, for some odd reason. He doesn't really look much like Cera, and so it must be the attitude shining through or something.
http://www.intpcentral.com/uploads/michael_cera.jpg

The archetypal INTX villain -

http://www.amazon.com/Napoleon-Crime-Times-Worth-Master/dp/0385319932
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Worth

[jdj106]

Ted Kaczynski is probably an intp or intj.

i read what wiki said about him. I would say closer to INTP based on the fact that his manifesto was devoid of grammatical errors. though i haven't checked out if Js are as grammatically anal as INTPs

[Throttled]

That was my reflex response.

My thought is that an INTP criminal would only do it if a serious principle was being violated and they had few choices but to act on it.

Either that, or wanting to do it so they could get away with it.

But probably a combination of both.

I wouldn't be surprised if one or more members of the Weather Underground was an INTP, for example.

I wouldn't be surprised if many INTP's were part of radical groups. If an INTP can logically deduct that something is "right", they are often very willing to act on it in my experience. Of course normally, (especially a "solo" crime), they primary goal would to be not to get caught, but if you can logically conclude you have enough people that it's unlikely you will get caught personally and that you have enough people/good enough idea that it could make a difference that coincides with your personal values...I don't know, I see that as a very INTP thing to do, much more like an INTP than an INTJ.

I wouldn't deny that most serial killers are probably INTJ though.

[Promethean]

Well, most US presidents are pretty criminal. However when I looked up the presidents attributed to being INTP, they are in fact some of the more benign, or even benevolent of the bunch.

James Madison
John Quincy Adams
John Tyler
Dwight D. Eisenhower
Gerald Ford

Magneto though is almost definately INTP/J and I identify strongly with him. Still, not real.

INTP's may just be the most underrepresented criminal class. We need to rectify this inequality people!

[Promethean]

I wouldn't be surprised if many INTP's were part of radical groups. If an INTP can logically deduct that something is "right", they are often very willing to act on it in my experience. Of course normally, (especially a "solo" crime), they primary goal would to be not to get caught, but if you can logically conclude you have enough people that it's unlikely you will get caught personally and that you have enough people/good enough idea that it could make a difference that coincides with your personal values...I don't know, I see that as a very INTP thing to do, much more like an INTP than an INTJ.

I wouldn't deny that most serial killers are probably INTJ though.

You are correct at least in regard to this INTP. There are a great many, high crimes and misdemeanors, I'd commit at any time I felt I wished to and would not get caught. None of them violate my principles or moral code but they would definately land me in jail or on death row. Serial killing strkes me as lame, tacky and unimaginative though.

[quantumzero]

Any famous INTP crimminals?


No, because they don't get caught. :D

But just in case, I would like a post dated presidential pardon for the future crime of my choice.

[aramis1]

You often see lists of famous people by MBTI type.
I wonder about crimminals by type.
I was wondering what sort of crime would INTP's indulge in mostly?
Any famous INTP crimminals?

Well I know they are the creative ones, only after money not the type that do serial killings and stuff. they come up with a lot of far-fetched plans. they like to be in the background and they dont like risks.

[Pizza Face]

Gary Glitter?

[Grant]

I would think INTP criminals would be master minds who think through the strategy, but not necessarily the ones pulling the job.

Examples:

High stakes, complicated robberies (Danny Ocean - Ocean 11, 12, 13, The Italian Job).

Low key assassins who commit murders that look like accidents or heart attacks or suicides or require elaborate schemes to pull them off (The Jackel is probably the closest one I can think of right now).

Probably the guys who devise plots for spies and the counter intelligence units needed to catch them. Although they may not be considered criminals, their activities are often above or outside the laws of the countries they operate in.

The guys in mobs who decide what has to be done to overthrow an enemy or undermine an adversary moving in on their territory (The Godfather). They often turn the fellow bad guys on each other so they never have to get their own hands dirty.

I personally couldn't see the correlation between being an INTP and a Hannibal Lector or the character behind SAW except the strategy part, but...

I could also see the lead character (Gerrard Butler) in the movie The Good Citizen (??) (where he takes vengence on a group of people) being an INTP.

The lead character on the TV show Leverage does the same thing. His strategies are done in the name of justice but are criminal nonetheless. The only exception here is he is might be an ENTP.

There are numerous cases of large art/jewelry robberies where the robber was never identified or captured...probably an INTP.

There could be a number of white collar crimes committed by INTP's, although, for the most part, we aren't particularly driven by money I don't think.

There are probably a number of INTP Hackers.

There are probably people out there like Edward Bernays (the Godfather of Public Relations) who could be considered criminals of the highest magnitude for the mass manipulation of entire populations (inciting wars, overthrowing governments, manipulating entire populations for the benefit of a few). These could include any number of political strategists, bureaucrats and others who are in positions of "power behind the scenes".

[jyng1]

You forgot the Meth cooks and the stoners stealing for drug money...

[Tenderfoot]

One of the most notorious mass murderers in history: Abraham Lincoln (http://www.mypersonality.info/personality-types/intp/)