My College Major

[Nemesis]

I've narrowed it down to the following:

Language studies. I would study Spanish, French and Arabic

Political Science. I've pretty much decided that I'm going to be involved in politics for the rest of my life, so I had better know what it is that I'm talking about. I just pray that I don't come out a Marxist.

Economics. Again, I pray I don't come out a Marxist.

I don't know what these majors entail. Does anyone have any advice?

[zhang_bob]

Political Science. I've pretty much decided that I'm going to be involved in politics for the rest of my life, so I had better know what it is that I'm talking about.

One problem you are going to have to answer peoples questions.

[Lee]

Why do you pray that you do not come out a Marxist? What if Marx was right?

[libertarianjim]

This is going to sound obvious, but it depends where you go. But I'll give you some general advice.

Undergrad Polisci would probably involve intro American and International politics, and at least one upper-division class in both American and International. More than likely, you'd have at least one class in Political Theory/Philosophy, and one in research methods. The rest of the time in the major, you'd be taking electives to fill out whatever your specialty is. I was an Americanist, so I took classes in the Presidency, Presidential Elections, Constitutional Law, Public Administration (the worst class I ever took from my favorite professor) and Policy Analysis (which I also regret).

You're going to do a lot of writing, a fair amount of research, and probably some statistical work. I'd recommend at least taking intro stats as your math requirement if you can. (Econ might require it.) It'll put you light years ahead of your classmates and impress the hell out of professors to be doing even low-level statistical analysis in your papers by your junior year.

[mancroft]

Good selection there, Nemesis.

The only thing i'd change is study Chinese rather than French.

[philonightmare]

If you want to do language studies, think about doing international relations as a major. It's a combination of language studies, political science and economics.

[Nemesis]

One problem you are going to have to answer peoples questions.
If all you're going to do is drop vague one-liners than I'd rather you not reply.

[Nemesis]

Good selection there, Nemesis.

The only thing i'd change is study Chinese rather than French.
Which dialect? I just like the way French sounds, so that's why I'm considering it.

[Nemesis]

If you want to do language studies, think about doing international relations as a major. It's a combination of language studies, political science and economics.
With the current international political climate, wouldn't that prepare me for a very rough time ahead too?

[philonightmare]

With the current international political climate, wouldn't that prepare me for a very rough time ahead too?
I think it would. It's a useful major to have if you do indeed plan on going into politics. The more knowledge you have, the more expansive your view and ability to be "useful" for many organizations, the more in demand you will be and the more you will be put in situations where your broader studies will come in handy. Interdisiplinary studies are great for prepping someone to face the unknown in certain sections of life --like studying both economics and political science would work very well together to understand those area's dynamics and figuring out ways to resolve issues that involve both extensively (international political economy).

[Nemesis]

I think it would. It's a useful major to have if you do indeed plan on going into politics. The more knowledge you have, the more expansive your view and ability to be "useful" for many organizations, the more in demand you will be and the more you will be put in situations where your broader studies will come in handy. Interdisiplinary studies are great for prepping someone to face the unknown in certain sections of life --like studying both economics and political science would work very well together to understand those area's dynamics and figuring out ways to resolve issues that involve both extensively (international political economy).
*coughChinachough*

[nomir_dva]

I've narrowed it down to the following:

Language studies. I would study Spanish, French and Arabic

Political Science. I've pretty much decided that I'm going to be involved in politics for the rest of my life, so I had better know what it is that I'm talking about. I just pray that I don't come out a Marxist.

Economics. Again, I pray I don't come out a Marxist.

I don't know what these majors entail. Does anyone have any advice?

I don't think that there is any risk of college forcibly converting you to Marxism, despite all the allegations of rampant leftism. The usefulness of those majors would probably depend on what you want to do in politics. Mandarin Chinese is frequently cited as a useful language, although I'd imagine that there are already plenty of educated Chinese-speakers in the U.S. You might also want to consider Russian if you're interested in Europe.

[philonightmare]

*coughChinachough*
heh, EXACTLY.

[zhang_bob]

If all you're going to do is drop vague one-liners than I'd rather you not reply.
You have not answered my questions on the Zhang Bob and Nemesis thread. You are never going to get anywhere in politics, if you do not answer questions.

[philonightmare]

You are never going to get anywhere in politics, if you do not answer questions.
:rofl: Actually, the more evasive he is, the better off he will be in politics.

[nomir_dva]

You have not answered my questions on Zhang Bob and Namesis thread. You are never going to get anywhere in politics, if you do not answer questions.

I'm pretty sure that the key to politics is knowing how not to answer questions.

EDIT: Or, see above.

[zhang_bob]

:rofl: Actually, the more evasive he is, the better off he will be in politics.
I see your point but if you start swearing at someone it does not look good.

[Nemesis]

You have not answered my questions on the Zhang Bob and Namesis thread. You are never going to get anywhere in politics, if you do not answer questions.
I don't care about your questions. Americans aren't so jaded as you.

[philonightmare]

I see your point but if you start swearing at someone it does not look good.
He will have to learn tact or he'll be the next Pat Robertson. edit: Actually, he'd be more like Cheney...

[Nemesis]

I see your point but if you start swearing at someone it does not look good.
I'm not going to start doing that. I just don't like you. Sorry.

[zhang_bob]

I don't care about your questions. Americans aren't so jaded as you.You speak rubbish.

[zhang_bob]

I'm not going to start doing that. I just don't like you. Sorry.I worked that out time ago. Your Tony Blair and I am George Galloway.

[joft]

i don't know why people think colleges are liberal. i haven't had a single professor who wasn't either fiscally or socially conservative, combined with many other traits like being a tight wad, racist, etc

[Hustler]

I don't know what these majors entail. Does anyone have any advice?

I don't know if you're really college material. Maybe you should consider just getting a job.

[Pooja]

Last year, when I was a freshman and taking a gen. chem. course, my chem. professor offered extra credit for the students who registered as democrats. He was later lightly reprimanded for doing this, but way after the elections. He died of a heart attack after that (OK, that has nothing to do with the story).

[fripping]

Which dialect? I just like the way French sounds, so that's why I'm considering it.
whoa wait a minute, they teach more than just mandarin at your school? mandarin would get you the furthest in terms of communication but if for some reason you really have a thing for southeastern china go ahead and take cantonese or hakka or whatever, just be aware it will be useless in the rest of the country

[Snowflake]

Last year, when I was a freshman and taking a gen. chem. course, my chem. professor offered extra credit for the students who registered as democrats. He was later lightly reprimanded for doing this, but way after the elections. He died of a heart attack after that (OK, that has nothing to do with the story).:wtf:

[libertarianjim]

i don't know why people think colleges are liberal. i haven't had a single professor who wasn't either fiscally or socially conservative, combined with many other traits like being a tight wad, racist, etc

Seriously? I've studied and taught at two schools, one a major research university and another a small, backwater Catholic college.

By my estimation, I encountered five conservatives between the two faculties. And that's if you include me as a libertarian. Everyone else was liberal or Marxist. I'm not saying that they were unfair professors (although a few were, and would have been gone based just on student evaluations if not for tenure), but they were demonstrably left.

[INThoughtPolice]

You have not answered my questions on the Zhang Bob and Namesis thread. You are never going to get anywhere in politics, if you do not answer questions.
are you kidding? He's the next Bush!!!

[INThoughtPolice]

What kind of job do you hope to get with your Polisci degree?

[joft]

maybe my experience is atypical, given the only professors i've had were either from a community college in an inner city (funny how that works, the professors who witness it first hand are more conservative) in (neo-victorian) New England, or Yale (extremely steeped in tradition, rich professors, etc)

[kuranes]

I thought you were a Music Major !

Have you considered Law or Sales/Marketing ? Both can be APPLIED towards Politics, but used elsewhere.

[Conan]

Economics is the most practical of the three and will probably lead you to making the most money if you are good at it. I absolutely love economics and am going to grad school for it in the fall however I dont know if an ENFJ would enjoy as much as an INTP. It can be very dry and you have to be good at math, specifically calculus and stats. If you think you can handle 4 years of looking at dynamic math equations, putting together mathematical models, and doing statistical analysis, Id say go for it, itll pay off in the future.

By the way, it will not turn you into a marxist. In fact, if its taught right, it will make you look at marxists and think, jesus, what a bunch of fucking retards they are, I cant believe they even still exist.

[Nemesis]

What kind of job do you hope to get with your Polisci degree?
I want to make it in politics. I want to affect real change.

If I can't do that then I'd like to teach.

[Stoic]

You are never going to get anywhere in politics, if you do not answer questions.

Not true. American politics should be called "The Art of Not Answering Questions"

If he wants to get anywhere in politics, he has to know how to not answer a good question.

[Nemesis]

I thought you were a Music Major !

Have you considered Law or Sales/Marketing ? Both can be APPLIED towards Politics, but used elsewhere.
I forgot about Law. That was another one of my choices.

[Madrigal]

Why do you pray that you do not come out a Marxist? What if Marx was right?
I have to put this in my sig.

[Conan]

I forgot about Law. That was another one of my choices.

You can major in just about anything and go into Law as long as you get good grades and do well on the LSATs. In fact Ive read law schools actually prefer science and engineering backgrounds as opposed to liberal arts.

[libertarianjim]

You can major in just about anything and go into Law as long as you get good grades and do well on the LSATs. In fact Ive read law schools actually prefer science and engineering backgrounds as opposed to liberal arts.

A lot of law schools also look very favorably at philosophy majors -- they've learned to comprehend complicated works, use logic, and write about what they've learned.

[Pooja]

You can major in just about anything and go into Law as long as you get good grades and do well on the LSATs. In fact Ive read law schools actually prefer science and engineering backgrounds as opposed to liberal arts.

I'm a biomed. major, and am plannning to go to law school. And on the flip side, I know liberal arts majors who are now in medical school. So if you're planning on going to any prof. graduate schools like that, it really doesn't matter what you major in, as long as you're able to do well on the entrence exams (LSATS, MCATs, PCATs, etc...)

[Conan]

A lot of law schools also look very favorably at philosophy majors -- they've learned to comprehend complicated works, use logic, and write about what they've learned.

Yeah this is definitely true, I would say the "classical" pre law major are philosophy and history. The problem is a lot of students are able to bullshit their way through these majors. What Ive heard is with the math/science degrees, they require the use of logic but are much more difficult to bullshit through. Not to mention theres a lot of demand for lawyers with more technical backgrounds these days.

[Nemesis]

Not true. American politics should be called "The Art of Not Answering Questions"

If he wants to get anywhere in politics, he has to know how to not answer a good question.
I'm not getting into this to be the next Bill Clinton or George Bush. I'm getting into it to be the first Brendan John C. I'm getting into this because I'm tired of the same old, and I don't like the way the future looks. I want to affect real change.

At the same time I'm not going to entertain ridiculous questions such as "what is the point of an American even voting because their elections don't affect anything and democrats and republicans are exactly alike [continue unpunctuated run-on here]."

[Conan]

I'm a biomed. major, and am plannning to go to law school. And on the flip side, I know liberal arts majors who are now in medical school. So if you're planning on going to any prof. graduate schools like that, it really doesn't matter what you major in, as long as you're able to do well on the entrence exams (LSATS, MCATs, PCATs, etc...)

Biomedical science? I was biomedical engineering. This is def true but with med school you still have to take your 2 english, 2 bio, 2 orgo, 2 physics, etc... I think with law school you just need logic, and thats mainly to help you with the logic section of the LSAT.

[Nemesis]

Speaking of standardized testing, I took the SAT today. Easy as pie.

[zhang_bob]

are you kidding? He's the next Bush!!!
I would be fine with that, as long as I become the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom of Great Britain. It would be like INTP Central in real life. I would make George Galloway the U.K ambassador to the U.S., I hear he gets on well with the U.S Senators.:devil:


Not true. American politics should be called "The Art of Not Answering Questions"
If he wants to get anywhere in politics, he has to know how to not answer a good question.
I think he would do a good job, americans like dumb people.

[Conan]

are you kidding? He's the next Bush!!!

Hahaha. He really could be the next bush, he deflects responding to criticism of himself by turning to personal attacks, he'll refuse to answer a straightforward question directly if he finds it will incriminate him, think hes brilliant when everyone else in the room knows otherwise...

[Nemesis]

Hahaha. He really could be the next bush, he deflects responding to criticism of himself by turning to personal attacks, he'll refuse to answer a straightforward question directly if he finds it will incriminate him, think hes brilliant when everyone else in the room knows otherwise...
I should have known the ceasefire was too unannoying to last. Leave me the hell alone. I didn't ask for your help. There's a reason.

[ferunandesu]

Speaking of standardized testing, I took the SAT today. Easy as pie.

Whoa. Kind of late, eh? When I was a senior, my school had a January the 1st cut off.

Also, the SAT being "easy as pie" isn't a good sign. The first time I took it, I thought the same... The questions are designed so that the most obvious looking answer is wrong*. I raised my score 120 points** simply by second guessing myself.

* More so for Math.

** Old school SAT (2 sections)

[Nemesis]

Whoa. Kind of late, eh? When I was a senior, my school had a January the 1st cut off.

Also, the SAT being "easy as pie" isn't a good sign. The first time I took it, I thought the same... The questions are designed so that the most obvious looking answer is wrong. I raised my score 120 points simply by second guessing myself.
Ah. That sucks. I'm going to Camden County for a year first because I haven't even decided on a major yet.

[zhang_bob]

I raised my score 120 points simply by second guessing myself.:wtf: I thought INTPs do that any way.

[Superstring]

I worked that out time ago. Your Tony Blair and I am George Galloway.

:rofl: I actually once wrote a hate letter to George Golloway, let me see if I can find it

[Superstring]

FOUND IT!

*********************************************************************
Dear George,


Shut your terrorist-loving mouth the next time you open it up about Canada's role in international affairs. We are making the world a better place by securing a part of the globe that is a haven for terrorist organizations. If you want to come here on our soil, talk to OUR muslim immigrants and tell them how we are evil because of something positive we are doing for the rest of the world, that's just great. How about I come over to your country and talk to YOUR muslim immigrants and tell them how YOU are evil because of the centuries of British interference in the Islamic world, hm? Rile up a little anti-UK sentiment? Make them really angry at you? Hm? Sound like a good idea? Would that make you feel safer at night?

You are juvenile for thinking that you should feel better about yourself for expressing remorse for your country's allies' stance against islamic terrorism, to people who left their native countries to escape the very thing.

Thanks a million, and don't come back again.

*************************************************************************

it was odd that he decided to bash Canada of all nations, to its own muslim immigrants, because of its part in the "unjust occupation" of Afghanistan...

[ferunandesu]

:wtf: I thought INTPs do that any way.

Yeah. I usually second guess myself quite a bit. The SAT, however, carried a lot of weight. So I was more than a little anxious.

This is how I see it:

Test anxiety lowers confidence. Most types will second guess themselves when their confidence is low. INTP's, on the other hand, are the opposite. We naturally second guess ourselves... So when our confidence is low, we may become falsely OVERCONFIDENT in our initial assumptions.

:confused:

Now I've managed to confuse myself... Which is a good thing.

This also probably means that Nemesis being confident is a positive. So I take back what I said earlier.

[Nemesis]

Yeah. I usually second guess myself quite a bit. The SAT, however, carried a lot of weight. So I was more than a little anxious.

This is how I see it:

Test anxiety lowers confidence. Most types will second guess themselves when their confidence is low. INTP's, on the other hand, are the opposite. We naturally second guess ourselves... So when our confidence is low, we may become falsely OVERCONFIDENT in our initial assumptions.

:confused:

Now I've managed to confuse myself... Which is a good thing.

This also probably means that Nemesis being confident is a positive, even though it was a negative for me. So I take back what I said earlier.
Oh yeah, that's different. I never get nervous on tests. Tests are usually what keep my grades high, cause homework is what drags me down.

[nomir_dva]

Speaking of standardized testing, I took the SAT today. Easy as pie.

I heard they got rid of analogies on the new SAT. That's a shame; they were my favorite part. But I think that the test is easier than it should be. I don't know why I think that.

[Nemesis]

I heard they got rid of analogies on the new SAT. That's a shame; they were my favorite part. But I think that the test is easier than it should be. I don't know why I think that.
They did. Thank God too. I hated them. I'm much better at the fill in the blanks and checking for errors.

[Architectonic]

I don't know what these majors entail. Does anyone have any advice?

Choosing a major is hard as it is hard to tell what a job will be like until you start doing it for real - but I'd suggest two things:

(a) Concentrate on the end picture - what you want to end up doing, don't choose majors just because they sound cool initially, but because you'll learn something that will make it easier for you to do what you want. Try to read up as much as possible what jobs you are interested in actually involve. Do the same with possible majors - look at the details of the curriculum on each subject. You may also wish to compare courses between different colleges...

(b) Keep your options open as much as possible. If you plan for flexibility, then it'll make it that much easier if and when you change your mind down the track.


I don't know if you're really college material. Maybe you should consider just getting a job.

:rofl:


I want to affect real change.

An idealist eh? = Not politician material........

[nottaprettygal]

I'm not getting into this to be the next Bill Clinton or George Bush. I'm getting into it to be the first Brendan John C. I'm getting into this because I'm tired of the same old, and I don't like the way the future looks. I want to affect real change.

Nemesis, you are only going to experience frustration when you realize that politics is not actually about making change. I've been in my public policy program for about a year, and this is what I have taken from it. It really hit me when I read a book about gay marriage and why it's good for gays, straights, and America. The arguments in the book were very logical, but then I realized that it doesn't matter. There's nothing logical at all about politics. It's about the way people feel. If people feel that gay marriage is wrong or feel that we should go to war with another county or feel that people are taking advantage of welfare, that's what matters. Then they go to their people (ie thinktanks) and ask them to create statistics that support whatever feeling they have.

Nothing ever really changes.

EDIT: I forgot that you were an F. Nevermind, go for it.

[Nemesis]

An idealist eh? = Not politician material........
Tell that to Lincoln and Reagan, who were both ENFJ's.

[Nighthawk]

Tell that to Lincoln and Reagan, who were both ENFJ's.

Hmmm ... according to Keirsey, Lincoln was an NT and Regan an SP. I don't think he lists any NF presidents throughout US history. It's a shame really ... since NFs are the most diplomatic by nature.

[nihilist]

Tell that to Lincoln and Reagan, who were both ENFJ's.

It's not easy to determine whether the intent of politicians are truly idealistic.

Reagan was an idiot in the academic sense, and Lincoln was a master of manipulation. What the two had in common was luck and a strategy for survival, which is arguably the foundation of a career in politics.

[Nemesis]

Hmmm ... according to Keirsey, Lincoln was an NT and Regan an SP. I don't think he lists any NF presidents throughout US history. It's a shame really ... since NFs are the most diplomatic by nature.
Hmm. Well several MBTI lists of famous people have typed them both as ENFJ's.

[Nighthawk]

Hmm. Well several MBTI lists of famous people have typed them both as ENFJ's.

Understood ... its probably an inexact science. I find it hard to believe there has never been an NF president.

[Nemesis]

I just dislike someone telling me that I can or cannot be able to do something specifically because of how I have correctly or incorrectly typed myself based upon a vague, inexact branch of psychology.

[KuJo]

thinking of Nemesis in politics really just makes me sad. :(

[Architectonic]

I just dislike someone telling me that I can or cannot be able to do something specifically because of how I have correctly or incorrectly typed myself based upon a vague, inexact branch of psychology.

I'm not basing it on your type, I was making a comment about the current political climate in America, whereby politicians don't really care for progress. ;)

[Nemesis]

I'm not basing it on your type, I was making a comment about the current political climate in America, whereby politicians don't really care for progress. ;)
That could change. I still have about 20 years before I'm elligible to be a senator and 30 before I'm elligible to be president.

[jread]

For the love of god stay the hell away from politics!!!!

I'm 90% done with my Public Administration degree and I absolutely fucking hate it! All that it has taught me is that people are idiots... politicians are worse.. and that I don't want to deal with any of them, ever.

It's too late to change my major or I'd run screaming out of the building right now.....

[Edmond Zedo]

That could change. I still have about 20 years before I'm elligible to be a senator and 30 before I'm elligible to be president.
lol I question your arithmetic skillz and/or knowledge of the US Constitution.

[Justin05]

For the love of god stay the hell away from politics!!!!

I'm 90% done with my Public Administration degree and I absolutely fucking hate it! All that it has taught me is that people are idiots... politicians are worse.. and that I don't want to deal with any of them, ever.

It's too late to change my major or I'd run screaming out of the building right now.....

Psych major, english minor I concur.

[Snowflake]

Fuck all of it. Be an engineer!

[The Paul]

I didn't read all the pages because I need to take a dump. Anyway, don't be a philosophy major, even for prelaw. It's 95% crap, 4% gift-wrapped crap, and 1% truth. Excruciating. Psychology, on the other hand, is fun and very interesting.

[Jasz]

I've narrowed it down to the following:

Language studies. I would study Spanish, French and Arabic

Political Science. I've pretty much decided that I'm going to be involved in politics for the rest of my life, so I had better know what it is that I'm talking about. I just pray that I don't come out a Marxist.

Economics. Again, I pray I don't come out a Marxist.

I don't know what these majors entail. Does anyone have any advice?

i would choose your langauges on the basis of applicability to your other areas of interest either by: 1) current regional application (say if you are interested in middle eastern politics, arabic would make sense); or 2) by dominant origin of source material for study (i.e. french will help out greatly if you can read first hand french literature regarding the colonial expansion of france into indo-china)

regarding politics, i would first try to answer: 1) national or international; and 2) regulatory (what is) or theoretic (what can/ could be)

economics would follow your regional interest and political focus, for instance development economics ties in nicely with an interest in west africa while monetary economics could fit nicely with china or us

i focused on international political economy and wrote my thesis on central asian poli-econ cooperation versus russian historical dominance, let me know if you have more specific questions

[nottaprettygal]

For the love of god stay the hell away from politics!!!!

I'm 90% done with my Public Administration degree and I absolutely fucking hate it! All that it has taught me is that people are idiots... politicians are worse.. and that I don't want to deal with any of them, ever.

It's too late to change my major or I'd run screaming out of the building right now.....

Good Lord. I'm glad someone else feels the same way. I was beginning to think that it was just me.

[Nemesis]

Fuck all of it. Be an engineer!
Listen to me, and listen very, very carefully:



























NO.

[Snowflake]

What don't you like about engineering???

[Nemesis]

lol I question your arithmetic skillz and/or knowledge of the US Constitution.
30 to be a senator. Made a mistake there. Don't you have to be 45 to be president?

[Nemesis]

What don't you like about engineering???
The lack of room for creativity.

[Snowflake]

Bah.

Engineering as a major isn't any less creative than any other. It's all the same bullshit.

As far as jobs, an engineering major like most others does not restrict you to merely engineering, for instance, you could major in chemical engineering and word as a pyrotechnician for special effects design companies. That would be fun, and definetly not uncreative.

[Nemesis]

i would choose your langauges on the basis of applicability to your other areas of interest either by: 1) current regional application (say if you are interested in middle eastern politics, arabic would make sense); or 2) by dominant origin of source material for study (i.e. french will help out greatly if you can read first hand french literature regarding the colonial expansion of france into indo-china)
Definitely. Also, Spanish is widely used everywhere in the U.S. It would definitely be to my advantage to know it.

regarding politics, i would first try to answer: 1) national or international;
National.

and 2) regulatory (what is) or theoretic (what can/ could be)
Uh. Theoretic plz.

economics would follow your regional interest and political focus, for instance development economics ties in nicely with an interest in west africa while monetary economics could fit nicely with china or us
This is true.

i focused on international political economy and wrote my thesis on central asian poli-econ cooperation versus russian historical dominance, let me know if you have more specific questions
Well, with the way things are going, it certainly wouldn't hurt to be educated in that area.

[Nemesis]

Bah.

Engineering as a major isn't any less creative than any other. It's all the same bullshit.

As far as jobs, an engineering major like most others does not restrict you to merely engineering, for instance, you could major in chemical engineering and word as a pyrotechnician for special effects design companies. That would be fun, and definetly not uncreative.
Okay. One problem. It's nothing I'm interested in. I am not going to be an engineer.

[last_caress]

Engineering, from what I have observed is ALOT of bureacracy, overcomplication, acronyms, email, meetings and mind-numbing troubleshooting.
Unless you are strongly J I wouldn't recommend it.
Too many effing details.
The creative aspect get's squashed out by the bean counters and managers who stick closely to the 'if it ain't broke' philosophy.
Plenty of lip service is given to innovation, but in most cases that's about it.
That's been my experience (not an engineer, but I work with them).

I've got too much Pness for engineering.

[Snowflake]

Unless you are strongly J I wouldn't recommend it. Remind me not to pay attention to anyone who ever makes comments like this, thankyou.
The creative aspect get's squashed out by the bean counters and managers who stick closely to the 'if it ain't broke' philosophy.:rolleyes2

[Nemesis]

i have an engineering degree, but im not doing anything with it. i never even tried to apply for a job. thats prolly just me tho, given how lazy i am

an enfj with the same degree uses the knowledge to know what is bullshit and what is not when leading projects. i am guessing the companies appreciate enfjs since theyrent very common in more technical thingies -- or R they
ENFJ's tend to aspire to leadership positions in which the human angle is a big concern, so my guess would be that, no they are not.

[Melody]

ah, caught! ah well. ill just act like a kitten and jump into my miniCHOPPAH GET 2DA CHOPPAH MEOW

[last_caress]

Remind me not to pay attention to anyone who ever makes comments like this, thankyou.:rolleyes2

That's a great idea.
Somebody should have reminded your mom to pack rubbers in case the neighbors dog jumped the fence too.

[Nemesis]

ah, caught! ah well. ill just act like a kitten and jump into my miniCHOPPAH GET 2DA CHOPPAH MEOW
:lol:

[meshou]

I'd go with languages over political science. Less common, less like a glorified english major, and really fucking useful if you ever change your mind. Learn Arabic, French and Japanese, you will NEVER be out of work, even if you aren't speaking them.

[The Paul]

I'd go with languages over political science. Less common, less like a glorified english major, and really fucking useful if you ever change your mind. Learn Arabic, French and Japanese, you will NEVER be out of work, even if you aren't speaking them.

Learn, toil, die.

[ferunandesu]

Learn Arabic, French and Japanese

???

That's a bad idea.

Learn Norwegian, Swahili, and Mandarin

[Snowflake]

Eew, how about no?

[ferunandesu]

Okay then...

Learn Cajun, Portugese, and Ebonics.

[Snowflake]

Ebonics??? Heh.

[EmmaPeel]

If you double major in economics and political science, you can go to business and law school at the same time afterwards (or just get both degrees consecutively). They have special programs where you can get your MBA and your JD at the same time. Everyone will want something to do with you. If you get bored with one or the other along the way (or in grad school), you can always drop it and continue to pursue the other career. Tacking on a foreign language like Arabic will only make you even more unique and wanted as a job candidate. It will set you apart from all graduate students. And if you hate it all and just love learning languages--or which ever one you choose--you can still major in a language and go to law school. :)

[sbw]

I'm not getting into this to be the next Bill Clinton or George Bush. I'm getting into it to be the first Brendan John C. I'm getting into this because I'm tired of the same old, and I don't like the way the future looks. I want to affect real change.

At the same time I'm not going to entertain ridiculous questions such as "what is the point of an American even voting because their elections don't affect anything and democrats and republicans are exactly alike [continue unpunctuated run-on here]."

you don't have to entertain those questions, ridiculous as they may or may not be. (obviously, I think that they are not ridiculous at all.) but you're doomed to unhappiness if your future happiness is tied to "affecting [sic] real change."

given the one party system, only revolutionaries will be able to change things--lucky for all the would-be revolutionaries, economic ruin might do the job for them.

Scott

obligatory contribution: one of my best friends majored in english before law school, so like pooja said you can come from any direction. he sees corporate riches in his future, I think.

[Snowflake]

I want to affect real change.That's the same damn thing every politician on the planet has said. Congratulations, you are exactly the same as every polition and activist on the planet :rolleyes2

[Ferrus]

I've narrowed it down to the following:

Language studies. I would study Spanish, French and Arabic
Hard, very hard, but if it is your thing, go for it. Whether or not Manadarin would be more useful than French is debatable.


Political Science. I've pretty much decided that I'm going to be involved in politics for the rest of my life, so I had better know what it is that I'm talking about. I just pray that I don't come out a Marxist.May I enquire as to how you plan to get into politics? I hear it is very hard, and usually Law is a better route in.


Economics. Again, I pray I don't come out a Marxist.
I think it is rather unlikely that you will study Economics and become a Marxist; that is if you accept the subject's basic premises unthinkingly (which is what they want you to do).

[nomir_dva]

I think it is rather unlikely that you will study Economics and become a Marxist; that is if you accept the subject's basic premises unthinkingly (which is what they want you to do).

On the first day of my microeconomics class, the professor stated that one of the basic premises of economics was that people behaved rationally. That wasn't the reason I dropped the class two days later, but it could have been.

[Ferrus]

On the first day of my microeconomics class, the professor stated that one of the basic premises of economics was that people behaved rationally. That wasn't the reason I dropped the class two days later, but it could have been.
Yes - other basic premises include accepting the scientific models they give you, accepting that the pursuit of material goods comes before all else to everyone and ignoring everything published by philosophers of science.

[Nemesis]

May I enquire as to how you plan to get into politics? I hear it is very hard, and usually Law is a better route in.
I'm connected.

[Wotton]

That's the same damn thing every politician on the planet has said. Congratulations, you are exactly the same as every polition and activist on the planet :rolleyes2
Yeah. I would happily vote for a politician who promised to do as little as possible. That's always been my dream candidate.

[Architectonic]

On the first day of my microeconomics class, the professor stated that one of the basic premises of economics was that people behaved rationally. That wasn't the reason I dropped the class two days later, but it could have been.

We're defining 'rationally' as in acting in accord to ones own values. So if someone believes in animal rights or something, then not eating meat could be rational. The same goes with protecting the environment or whatever, acting rationally would involve consciously minimizing the impact on the environment wherever possible. Acting irrationally would basically be acting hypocritically in regards to ones own values.
In the real world, irrationally would often be down to lack of information.

[Nemesis]

???

That's a bad idea.

Learn Norwegian, Swahili, and Mandarin
Ah, no thank you.

[Nemesis]

If you double major in economics and political science, you can go to business and law school at the same time afterwards (or just get both degrees consecutively). They have special programs where you can get your MBA and your JD at the same time. Everyone will want something to do with you. If you get bored with one or the other along the way (or in grad school), you can always drop it and continue to pursue the other career. Tacking on a foreign language like Arabic will only make you even more unique and wanted as a job candidate. It will set you apart from all graduate students. And if you hate it all and just love learning languages--or which ever one you choose--you can still major in a language and go to law school. :)
:) Thank you. I thoroughly enjoyed your advice.

[Justin05]

We're defining 'rationally' as in acting in accord to ones own values. So if someone believes in animal rights or something, then not eating meat could be rational. The same goes with protecting the environment or whatever, acting rationally would involve consciously minimizing the impact on the environment wherever possible. Acting irrationally would basically be acting hypocritically in regards to ones own values.
In the real world, irrationally would often be down to lack of information.

Rationality does exist in the "real world".

[Nemesis]

That's the same damn thing every politician on the planet has said. Congratulations, you are exactly the same as every polition and activist on the planet
I would appreciate you staying out of this thread.

[Wotton]

We're defining 'rationally' as in acting in accord to ones own values. So if someone believes in animal rights or something, then not eating meat could be rational. The same goes with protecting the environment or whatever, acting rationally would involve consciously minimizing the impact on the environment wherever possible. Acting irrationally would basically be acting hypocritically in regards to ones own values.
In the real world, irrationally would often be down to lack of information.
I think they teach that on the third day of micro lectures, though. That's the sort of clarification you've got to stick with it for half a week to get.