females in society

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Shirley Chisholm was the first black woman to serve in the United States Congress... she is noted as saying(as well as other things)...
Of my two "handicaps" being female put more obstacles in my path than being black.

will it ever change? what do you think would have to happen for equality to ever occur?
the media and other outlets perpetuate the problem.

I remember hearing a girl in high school talk about how she just wanted to marry some rich guy and settle down for good as a house wife.. I found that to be quite sad..

[Hazy]

I'll be provacative and suggest the "problem" is mostly imaginary. A male with any kind of status/power attempting to openly perpetuate gender stereotypes/prevent women from entering some kind of position would very quickly find himself without any status/power (or money for that matter...)

As for random idiots putting across obstacles, well, they'll be in any position you're striving for, regardless of gender. Conspiring against 50-52% of the worlds population would take a lot of time, planning and skill, as well as an apathy towards sex/relationships. You'd also need a great dose of people skills, as to effectively do anything, you'd need the trust of the people you're trying to conspire against. I just don't see anybody managing to effectively balance all of these whilst actively competing for the same position...
(Besides, aren't men in general supposed to be social/emotional dullards in comparision to women? Exceptions exist, but those by definition, are rare...)

It wouldn't be a stretch that some mistake the difficulties directly associated with competition within a profession as difficulties DIRECTLY as a result of race/gender.

That the number of females actually interested in Political theory are a minority may also be a factor (the same goes for women in Science/Engineering/Computer science etc.). Being a politician is a pretty dull/restrictive job, as you effectively sacrifice your personal/social life for the state as well as the media circus. Not to mention the extortionate amount of paperwork...


As for some girls still wishing to be housewives, they can't really be argued with. You can't FORCE people into positions they don't really care about or aren't interested in. Besides, dictating what freedom is and isn't to women is a paradox at best (and one of the reasons for the aversion towards the Feminist movement).

[Jezebel]

Shirley Chisholm was the first black woman to serve in the United States Congress... she is noted as saying(as well as other things)...
Of my two "handicaps" being female put more obstacles in my path than being black.

will it ever change? what do you think would have to happen for equality to ever occur?
the media and other outlets perpetuate the problem.

I remember hearing a girl in high school talk about how she just wanted to marry some rich guy and settle down for good as a house wife.. I found that to be quite sad..

Keep in mind that Shirley Chisholm began serving in congress in the 1960s, when there WERE more obstacles for women and blacks. I think there are still people out there who discriminate, but we have made tremdendous progress since these minorities were given more equal rights. It just takes some people longer to accept change. I don't get the feeling that there's anything I'm "not allowed" to do these days that men can do. It does irk me though that I may get paid less to do the same job as a man, I don't see why I'm still hearing about that these days.

I don't think there is anything wrong with being a housewife. Some people value their children higher than a career, and if a woman wants to stay home and raise her own children, I don't think she is wrong for that as long as she marries someone who has similar views. However if a woman wants to do it just to freeload so she never has to get a real job or support herself, I don't have much respect for that.

[lauriep]

Shirley Chisholm was the first black woman to serve in the United States Congress... she is noted as saying(as well as other things)...
Of my two "handicaps" being female put more obstacles in my path than being black.

will it ever change? what do you think would have to happen for equality to ever occur?
the media and other outlets perpetuate the problem.

I remember hearing a girl in high school talk about how she just wanted to marry some rich guy and settle down for good as a house wife.. I found that to be quite sad..
I still think that there is a lot sexism in the workplace and that can make it frustating for some women that want to succeed. That's definitely not the case everywhere but it does still exist. It seems that a woman has to work twice as hard to prove herself in the workplace.

I realize that it's a woman's choice to just be happy housewife, but I agree that it's sad to see.

[Aryan]

Theres an article called gender stereotypes in www.friesian.com that says women obtain status through closeness, while men prefer closeness through status

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Theres an article called gender stereotypes in www.friesian.com that says women obtain status through closeness, while men prefer closeness through status

http://www.friesian.com/gender.htm or Google Cache (http://216.239.41.104/search?q=cache%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.friesian.com%2Fgender.htm&start=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official)

[songbird36]

[quote="Jezebel"][Keep in mind that Shirley Chisholm began serving in congress in the 1960s, when there WERE more obstacles for women and blacks. I think there are still people out there who discriminate, but we have made tremdendous progress since these minorities were given more equal rights. It just takes some people longer to accept change. I don't get the feeling that there's anything I'm "not allowed" to do these days that men can do. It does irk me though that I may get paid less to do the same job as a man, I don't see why I'm still hearing about that these days.

I agree that there aren't a lot of things we "can't" do now. Where I come from the main problem for women is low pay and a higher proportion of temporary job positions. The low pay is largely due to a profession being perceived as "female dominated" (such as primary school teaching or nursing). While many of these areas demand a high level of skill (nursing especially) the pay disparities with skill-equivalent male dominated professions are enormous.

[Star Cannon]

Equality will happen when mass amounts of humans make it a high priority.

Until then, expect political correctness.

Star Cannon

[Avengardh]

Equality will happen when mass amounts of humans make it a high priority.

Until then, expect political correctness.

Star Cannon

Ditto.