The President of the United States is

[Melody]

November 2 is voting day! This poll is for purposes of synchronization.

[int]

You mean we hafta wait to answer the poll?

[Melody]

yes

[int]

I ask cuz no matter the time, there is a near correct answer.

Where's the 'Cheney/Rove' option?

[Melody]

O_o

[Division56]

heh, 4 people don't know how to read.

[Arioch]

I think the term "wishful thinking" comes to mind

[file cabinet]

Badnarik !
At another forum I go to.. the poll looks like this:

Bush 208 38.52%
Kerry 277 51.30%
3rd party 55 10.19%

http://www.genmay.com/showthread.php?t=454569

[MacGuffin]

I voted 3.5 hours ago.

[file cabinet]

I voted 3.5 hours ago.

I voted an hour ago.

[BritainOphira]

I voted 3.5 hours ago.

I voted an hour ago.

I don't get to vote. I even managed to miss my school's mock election.
Errghh... :rant:

[file cabinet]

I voted 3.5 hours ago.

I voted an hour ago.

I don't get to vote. I even managed to miss my school's mock election.
Errghh... :rant:

you can vote in this thread, your vote will count.. unless you wanted to vote for someone other then Bush or Kerry.

[candela]

Only 2 people know how to read?

[lauriep]

Stood in line for an hour this morning to vote. When I left at 7:45 am, there was still a line around the block.
I was really surprised at the turnout.

[sbw]

I just voted for badnarik

Scott

[Bluehaze]

Voted one hour ago.

[Groty]

This is a fun site!

www.opensecrets.org

[Sam172]

vote for a third party children, that's what i'll be doing when I next get to vote (damn it..I miss out on the next one by under a year :(). :D

[crule81]

Only 2 people know how to read?

It comes down to the fact that INTP's don't like to read directions. Since it is election day, people just see Bush and Kerry at the top and vote for the person they prefer. Nobody pays attention to the verb. It's just a detail.

[BritainOphira]

you can vote in this thread, your vote will count.. unless you wanted to vote for someone other then Bush or Kerry.

Yeah, but I still can't vote in the real election, which majorly sucks.

[Postblank]

Badnarik

[MacGuffin]

At 4:00 pm, EST I am calling the election.

Over 300 electoral votes for Kerry.

I want to be on record.

[Claverhouse]

I'm guessing it's going to be Bush.


Thankful I don't have to vote.


Claverhouse :ph34r:

[SheepDog]

Do you mean is now, or is ever has been?

[booyalab]

At 4:00 pm, EST I am calling the election.

Over 300 electoral votes for Kerry.

I want to be on record.

lmfao that would require all the western hicks to get hit in the head with bricks conveniently while they are filling out the ballots so they fill in the wrong circles.

[Division56]

At 4:00 pm, EST I am calling the election.

Over 300 electoral votes for Kerry.

I want to be on record.

lmfao that would require all the western hicks to get hit in the head with bricks conveniently while they are filling out the ballots so they fill in the wrong circles.




I have bricks!

*runs for brickpile outback*

[booyalab]

At 4:00 pm, EST I am calling the election.

Over 300 electoral votes for Kerry.

I want to be on record.

lmfao that would require all the western hicks to get hit in the head with bricks conveniently while they are filling out the ballots so they fill in the wrong circles.




I have bricks!

*runs for brickpile outback*

oops I guess I shouldn't have been so specific......

*strolls away whistling nonchalantly*

[songbird36]

Guess it'll be decided in the courts again?

[booyalab]

Guess it'll be decided in the courts again?

It wasn't really decided in the courts last time, Gore ceded.

[songbird36]

Yes but the whole Florida thing went to the courts didn't it (from memory) - the vote validity issue. Pretty boring time for the voters.

Looks like Florida is crucial for both sides again

[booyalab]

Yes but the whole Florida thing went to the courts didn't it (from memory) - the vote validity issue. Pretty boring time for the voters.

Looks like Florida is crucial for both sides again

yeah as if they didn't have enough problems with bombardment by hurricanes last summer, they were bombarded by political ads too.

[songbird36]

We're getting quite a lot of incisive analysis of the election situation on the TV networks over here.

I've heard that the voting in Florida is 15% counted, with a 4% lead to Bush already.

[booyalab]

We're getting quite a lot of incisive analysis of the election situation on the TV networks over here.

I've heard that the voting in Florida is 15% counted, with a 4% lead to Bush already.

But they might have counted the more republican-leaning counties already. For instance: southern Florida has a lot of cubans, who are ..if i'm not mistaken... the only minority that's consistently conservative....for pretty obvious reasons.

[booyalab]

I'm periodically checking cnn.com for my election info

[Melody]

why are cubans cosistently conservative?

[int]

We're bouncing around 3 different tv stations and we've got 2 laptops constantly checking websites.

And whoever is updating foxnews.com's site keeps messing it up (css). :rofl:

[booyalab]

why are cubans cosistently conservative?

argh...I'll answer this tomorrow, I have to go now..lol (hold your breath)

[songbird36]

Heard of the Cuban missile crisis Melody?

[Melody]

Yes.

[songbird36]

I'm imagining that's why the Cubans aren't keen on the idea of a democratic president- he might blockade Cuba again

:-)

[Melody]

hmmmm

i understand what ur saying

but it doesnt make sense 2 me

how long ago was the blockade?

[songbird36]

1962.

But I sing in a Serbian choir, and the collective memory of those people goes back to 1389 when they lost Kossovo to the Ottoman Turks. To them it is as if the battle happened yesterday.

[Melody]

i c

guess itll take a few more generations to americanize thems

[Postblank]

I'm imagining that's why the Cubans aren't keen on the idea of a democratic president- he might blockade Cuba again

:-)That had nothing to do with the Missle Crisis. The Cuban Missle Crisis was joint retaliation against the US doing the same thing with the co-operation of Hungary (maybe it was Turkey, I don't recall. You get the idea).

[Hunter]

How about the "I have lost all faith in generic Americans" option?

[songbird36]

I'm imagining that's why the Cubans aren't keen on the idea of a democratic president- he might blockade Cuba again

:-)That had nothing to do with the Missle Crisis. The Cuban Missle Crisis was joint retaliation against the US doing the same thing with the co-operation of Hungary (maybe it was Turkey, I don't recall. You get the idea).

If you had been following the discussion thread (as any self respecting INTP would - not that I am one of course I am afflicted with a "j") I was responding to a comment by Boolyab surmising about Cuban voting tendencies in the US.

And I'm about 99% sure they vote Republican because of that 1962 event.

[MacGuffin]

I believe Cubans vote Republican because many are anti-Castro, and the Republicans are more anti-Castro than the Democrats.

Speaking of the election, boy was I wrong!

[songbird36]

yes

[Groty]

Castro took power during a Republican presidents' tenure. Ike! Ike didn't stop him. Castro paid him a visit, without going through the proper diplomatic channels, and Ike pushed him off on his VP. Some dude named Nixon. Pissed Castro off, he was looking for a friend. He had a lot of respect for Ike. Castro eventually found a friend in Khrushchev.

I'm not really sure why Cuban-Americans would generally vote Republican. I do believe that Dems platform has a lighter policy pertaining to Castro's Cuba.

Sidenote - I watched a documentary on Castro. Think it had something to do with Carter's visit. I believe I saw a bust of Abraham Lincoln in his office. Interesting...

[Hazy]

Kerry doesn't look friendly enough.

Bush = win.

[booyalab]

correction, I should have said "Cuban-Americans" rather than Cubans.
Songbird, the Cuban Americans are very much against Castro and the securement of Communism in Cuba. That's why so many of them came to America in the first place. They have firsthand experience to the downside of the Cuban government. If anything they'd have supported American pressure on Cuba's stockpiles.


I believe Cubans vote Republican because many are anti-Castro, and the Republicans are more anti-Castro than the Democrats.


This is closest to the reason, but still an understatement. Remember Elian Gonzalez? Since Vietnam the liberals have often been more susceptible to communist propaganda than communists themselves (once they're safe from the consequences of their honesty). The affection democrats have demonstrated towards Castro came to fruition when Elian Gonzalez was practically kidnapped from his uncle's home by Federal agents and forced back to Cuba. Of course, Castro didn't really care that Elian came back...and it's more likely that he would have been happier with his relatives in Florida than in the place he escaped from with his mother in the first place, but Castro was using this to his political advantage and knew he'd be able to get the Clinton administration on his side. Democrats are often referred to as 'anti-anti-communist', and Cuban-Americans know they don't like communism, so obviously they're going to side with the 'anti-communists' in American politics-Republicans.

[booyalab]

Does anyone else see the absurdity in the Democrats' confidence that most of the provisional ballots in Ohio will not only be considered credible votes, but that they'll also mostly be for Kerry? Are they assuming that most of the people who are forging identities or don't know how to register or dont know their precinct are democrats? Do they want to be assuming that?

[Groty]

Does anyone else see the absurdity in the Democrats' confidence that most of the provisional ballots in Ohio will not only be considered credible votes, but that they'll also mostly be for Kerry? Are they assuming that most of the people who are forging identities or don't know how to register or dont know their precinct are democrats? Do they want to be assuming that?

No one is speaking for the voters. I'm sure they want their votes counted. Regardless of the outcome. That's my take.

[booyalab]

Does anyone else see the absurdity in the Democrats' confidence that most of the provisional ballots in Ohio will not only be considered credible votes, but that they'll also mostly be for Kerry? Are they assuming that most of the people who are forging identities or don't know how to register or dont know their precinct are democrats? Do they want to be assuming that?

No one is speaking for the voters. I'm sure they want their votes counted. Regardless of the outcome. That's my take.

I agree that the votes should be considered (not counted until verified), but the statement from the kerry campaign was that they knew for sure that when all the provisional ballots were counted that Kerry would win....this sure sounds to me like they're speaking for most of the voters. (in case anyone doesnt know what I'm talking about, provisional ballots are tentative votes by people who did something wrong..either by presenting wrong types of ID...or insufficient ID, or going to the wrong precinct...or pretending to be Joe DiMaggio...etc, so the votes are set aside to be verified in the week following the election...) They're making the assumption that 75% of these will not only be deemed credible, but that they will be in Kerry's favor. There are only a few more provisional ballots than there are votes that Kerry needs to win the state.

[booyalab]

Looks like Kerry has conceded the Ohio battleground...I will now be expecting all of those liberals who threatened to move to Canada to do so. =P

[Claverhouse]

A lot of American-Cubans were brought up on their grandparents' knees being told of the glory that was Cuba under Batista.


:rofl: :rofl:


Claverhouse :ph34r:

[ And Castro has never been a real communist: as Groty implies, a matter of expediency ].

[booyalab]

A lot of American-Cubans were brought up on their grandparents' knees being told of the glory that was Cuba under Batista.


[ And Castro has never been a real communist: as Groty implies, a matter of expediency ].

I don't know if the first part is true, probably is. A lot of Russians pine for the days of Stalin.

I'm going to ignore the second part until you give a reason instead of just saying it and expecting me to believe it.

[Claverhouse]

A lot of American-Cubans were brought up on their grandparents' knees being told of the glory that was Cuba under Batista.


[ And Castro has never been a real communist: as Groty implies, a matter of expediency ].

I don't know if the first part is true, probably is. A lot of Russians pine for the days of Stalin.

I'm going to ignore the second part until you give a reason instead of just saying it and expecting me to believe it.

WTF should I produce back-up for every statement you haven't found out by reading history-books ? Or possibly have been reading, but only the ones for retarded children ?



Claverhouse :ph34r:

[booyalab]

A lot of American-Cubans were brought up on their grandparents' knees being told of the glory that was Cuba under Batista.


[ And Castro has never been a real communist: as Groty implies, a matter of expediency ].

I don't know if the first part is true, probably is. A lot of Russians pine for the days of Stalin.

I'm going to ignore the second part until you give a reason instead of just saying it and expecting me to believe it.

WTF should I produce back-up for every statement you haven't found out by reading history-books ? Or possibly have been reading, but only the ones for retarded children ?

Claverhouse :ph34r:

insulting me isn't going to work....sorry, I know Castro came into power on a communist platform. Maybe you mean he's not a true 'socialist' , because that would be true.

[Nighthawk]

WTF should I produce back-up for every statement you haven't found out by reading history-books ? Or possibly have been reading, but only the ones for retarded children ?
Claverhouse :ph34r:

Depends on which country's history books for retarded children you read. ;) They all write their own take on events. I'm always amazed at what is left out of American history books, that I discover when I read books from another country. Same goes for the media.

[booyalab]

WTF should I produce back-up for every statement you haven't found out by reading history-books ? Or possibly have been reading, but only the ones for retarded children ?
Claverhouse :ph34r:

Depends on which country's history books for retarded children you read. ;) They all write their own take on events. I'm always amazed at what is left out of American history books, that I discover when I read books from another country. Same goes for the media.

I'm actually not taking what I know in this subject from my school history books. I read for pleasure.

[booyalab]

http://members.aol.com/diggamma/comtalk.htm

:wub: he's dreamy....

[booyalab]

If you don't consider Cuba to be under a communist regime because it doesn't fit pure marxism, you'd be correct. But guess what, the world gets to decide what a communism is based on how it's actually played out in reality....and according to what we've seen in other communist revolutions around the world, Castro is slightly less fascist than his historical counterparts. Although it's a communist dictatorship nonetheless.

There are no pure political systems anyways.

[INTrPosr]

I figured it was futile to respond to the winner at this point. But, I really did not give a :rant:. In my opinion Bush/Kerry was a pick of lesser evils. O well, there is always 2008!! :D

Here is my prediction. We will have a minority in the White House in 2008. It will be either Hiliary Clinton, the U.S. Congressman from Tennessee, or the newly elected U.S. Senator from Illinois.

[MacGuffin]

It will not be Hillary. I voted for Kerry, but I would have to seriously think about deciding between Hillary and Hitler.

[booyalab]

Don't you mean Hitlerette and Bush?

[crule81]

We will have a minority in the White House in 2008. It will be either Hiliary Clinton, the U.S. Congressman from Tennessee, or the newly elected U.S. Senator from Illinois.

Bye the way, women are actually the majority! But I get what you mean given how few women are elected to high offices.

Hillary Clinton is the most repulsive political figure in America. I personally find her repulsive because she is the most condescending speaker I have ever heard. She acts as if she is speaking to a class of kindergartners. While most voters haven't progressed intellectually since age 6, I don't want to have to listen to that drivel day in and day out.

But others find her equally repulsive. Most Kerry voters and staunch Democrats I know well immensely dislike Hillary and would probably not vote for her regardless of her opponent. People in general in the Midwest especially dislike her. Since I live in a Midwest "swing state," this should be a consideration before Democrats nominate her.

[Claverhouse]

insulting me isn't going to work....sorry, I know Castro came into power on a communist platform. Maybe you mean he's not a true 'socialist' , because that would be true.

Castro came into power as a socialist, and acted as an agrarian reformer mainly: he only committed to the communist bloc after the USA including it's satraps amongst the Mob called for action against the revolutionary regime for having despoiled their interests and conducted a surrogate and incompetent invasion at the 'Bay of Pigs' with members of the Batistas and other anti-socialist Cubans. He announced the revolution's conversion to a marxist-leninist dialogue in 1961. The CIA with even more astounding incompetence launched a series of around two dozen assassination attempts and other more lunatic schemes ( such as attempting to make his beard disappear ). This, although he had always admired the USA, did not endear America to him.

Although he apparently has an eidetic memory, lucky sod, being able to memorise pages and pages of boring stuff, it is not terribly likely that he utilised the precepts of the Holy Marx to run his country. His regime would more properly be described as left-fascist. The fall of the Wall made no particular difference to his relations with the world.

On the other hand, some of the outcomes of the revolution were beneficial: Latin America could no longer be regarded as a glorified whorehouse which North America could patronise at will; the worst poverty exploitation was at least alleviated; Cuba has a good health system; She was able to send her janisseries out as 'Advisors' to other revolutionary struggles just as much as America could send 'Advisors' to Vietnam; the sustained blockade by North America together with the inherent lack of economic ability of communist regimes has meant that Cuba, from being second in economic strength to the USA in the Americas has sunk to a low economy: which means that although this poverty is tough on Cubans ( although no more worse than millions of low-paid workers in America and other developed countries ) they haven't pulled down excellent old buildings and put up giant shoe-boxes made of concrete and glass. And if you like those boring old 1950s and 60's cars, try Cuba. They have to make do with what they have.



Claverhouse :ph34r:

[Claverhouse]

WTF should I produce back-up for every statement you haven't found out by reading history-books ? Or possibly have been reading, but only the ones for retarded children ?
Claverhouse :ph34r:

Depends on which country's history books for retarded children you read. ;) They all write their own take on events. I'm always amazed at what is left out of American history books, that I discover when I read books from another country. Same goes for the media.

And imagine the history books from the defeated sides, or those that would have been written had they won. :devil:



Claverhouse :ph34r:


[ BTW, my confidence was shaken in American school history books by one I bought for 50p earlier this year. It states that Charles III ( Bonnie Prince Charlie to you ) was the son of James II. James died: 1701 Charles born: 1720. No matter you may say, but Charles had only died about 60 years before the book was written. This was still in the contemporary zone ].

[Claverhouse]

Hillary Clinton is the most repulsive political figure in America.

Perhaps the world...



Claverhouse :ph34r:

[Division56]

I like Hillary... :(

[Claverhouse]

A doctor here quick !



Claverhouse :ph34r:

[Melody]

u should be an ambiguously sarcastic history teacher

[jimkopelli]

Here's a few more things to think about...
What if Colin Powell runs for office?
What do you think will happen when Castro finally kicks the bucket?

[file cabinet]

What do you think will happen when Castro finally kicks the bucket?

US will invade Cuba ! (after all Bush did say he wanted to take down Castro in some speech while in Florida a couple days ago)

[Melody]

i feel the u.s. hasnt done anything precisely because Castro is gonna die soon

all they gotta do is wait and
an uprising will occurr once hes dead

the u.s. might help if it is needed;
but the ppl might be strong enough by themselves
(prolly will be....)

personally;
i would love to hear Castro say "I am going to run for the U.S. presidency in 2008."

[gypseymothlee]

A lot can happen in four year, but it would be cool to see Powell or McCain run. Unfortunately, whenever this administration seem to need someone to act as scapegoat they send Powell in.

I'd find it pretty cool if Hilary Clinton ran as well.

[MacGuffin]

I hate Hillary "Lady MacBeth" Clinton-Rodham-whatever.

[Claverhouse]

According to Wim Wenders ( a German film-maker who goes like a bomb in the Mid-West Heartland ), His Holiness the Pope, John-Paul II has definitively identified the Antichrist of Apocolyptic legend; who will do all sorts of bad stuff and then, after seducing many of the faithful over to the dark side, engage in the final battle as the representative of pure evil.

I won't spoil it for you, but it's neither Shrub nor Hillary.



Claverhouse :ph34r:

[songbird36]

Hehe.

Paris Texas is one of my all time favourite movies. How many of us are old enough to remember it?

[KentOhio]

According to Wim Wenders ( a German film-maker who goes like a bomb in the Mid-West Heartland ), His Holiness the Pope, John-Paul II has definitively identified the Antichrist of Apocolyptic legend; who will do all sorts of bad stuff and then, after seducing many of the faithful over to the dark side, engage in the final battle as the representative of pure evil.

I won't spoil it for you, but it's neither Shrub nor Hillary.



Claverhouse :ph34r:

Come on, spoil it. I'm not saying I'd believe it, but let's hear.

All I've been hearing on the news lately is Hillary vs. Giuliani (sp?) in '08. Is that all they can think to talk about? Do they really have to jump 4 years into the future to find a news story? And it's way too early to predict who will run. Just look at last January; we all thought it would be Howard Dean. But I don't doubt that Hillary herself is already plotting. They say she's been intentionally making herself appear more moderate lately...

[Claverhouse]

According to Wim Wenders ( a German film-maker who goes like a bomb in the Mid-West Heartland ), His Holiness the Pope, John-Paul II has definitively identified the Antichrist of Apocolyptic legend; who will do all sorts of bad stuff and then, after seducing many of the faithful over to the dark side, engage in the final battle as the representative of pure evil.

I won't spoil it for you, but it's neither Shrub nor Hillary.



Claverhouse :ph34r:

Come on, spoil it. I'm not saying I'd believe it, but let's hear.

A voice, perhaps an echo from The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy ( Marvin ? ), says you're not gonna like it. But...


America !!

As is.

He may have a point, but I don't accept it myself.

But then I'm not a Christian, so what do I know ?



Claverhouse :ph34r:


:rofl: