I, N, T, or P?

[The Architect]

Which one do you depend on the most?

Personally, I could never do without my N.

I don't mind being extraverted occasionally, and while I don't seek it out I don't mind being the center of attention.

I absolutely love turning into an F every once in a while and getting lost in the passion of a strong feeling. I spend a majority of my time observing, thinking and rationalizing, but I would be absolutely miserable if I didn't allow certain things (art, music, architecture, sunsets) to wash over me fully and completely.

As far as my P goes, I don't necessarily enjoy turning into a J, but at the very least is can be useful. (Such as when something needs to get done in a group and everyone else is completely incompetent and I need to take charge. Or just getting some of my own projects done.)

My N however- the thought of being an S does not appeal to me at all. I could never do without my ability to learn things quickly and easily simply because they make sense, skip steps in the thought process, my creativity, abstraction, and everything else that comes with being an N. While I respect the orientation towards details and the practical and material world that surround an S, it's not for me.

[Johnny]

...I would be absolutely miserable if I didn't allow certain things (art, music, architecture, sunsets) to wash over me fully and completely.

While I respect the orientation towards details and the practical and material world that surround an S, it's not for me.

I like best to let my sensing and feeling come out to play most in romantic love and playing music...not to imply that's what I'm publicly known for!

Yes, when S and F work in conjunction, it's an awesome but fleeting experience.

[NGene]

I'm with The Architect here - I could, if forced to, trade any other letter, but not my beloved N. Absolutely not. :ph34r:

Sometimes I wish I was an ENTJ.I'd be more sociable, organized, and would get things done, which would probably make me very successful.

Then... I start thinking more closely. After all, I wouldn't want to be an E - I like the insights I gain when I can just live inside my head. I wouldn't want to be an INTJ, either. Although I very often wish I was a J, I like my spontaneity and ability to observe things.

Besides, I like my Ti, and Ne is ok too. If I was an NTJ, I'd have to swap them to Te and Ni. No thanks, I like my Introverted Thinking function. :P

[SensEye]

I would say T hands down. I can't even imagine what it would be like to be an F. Maybe I am underestimating an F's ability to be rational and use their thinking side, but I just see too many pitfalls to not using cold logic in dealing with life.

Of course this could all be related to my scores on MBTI testing as well. T is my only extreme preference.

Turning the question around somewhat, I think I would ditch being an introvert if I could. I think being an extrovert would help dealing with the extrovert majority out there and maybe even make life more fun. Certainly would help my love life in any event. :) Never going to happen though.

[Miss Padfoot]

Wow. This is tough.

I wouldn't mind being an E. I think my preference for Introversion is my weakest preference. Besides, I find ENTPs irresistibly fun to be around.
If I had a penny for every time I've wished I were a J... then I'd be rich and would no longer need to work, so I would have no need to be a J. :D Seriously, though, there are so many problems with my P preference, being an INTJ might be a welcome respite from my negative P traits.
That leaves N and T. And I think I am stuck. I love both of them.

I didn't notice this until my dad pointed it out to me, but my Ti function allows me to delve into topics where you'd have to walk on eggshells if you were discussing it with anyone else. I can have debates about religion and politics (of course, Ne helps there too) without getting emotional about what I believe. My dad, an XNTP, does the same thing, and we have the most fascinating conversations about how the human mind works, why do people need to believe in God, etc. I think we both benefit from each other's insights. And I can't imagine not being able to have these conversations without getting emotional about my beliefs.

But I think that my N side does a lot more than I often give it credit for. I don't interact with a lot of S's. Most of the kids in my school, and certainly all of my friends, are N's. On the occasion that I try to talk to an S, I feel helpless, really helpless. Everything is always so cut and dried with them, especially STJs. The SF types always seem too afraid of conflict, and that frustrates me to no end when I'm sure that I'm right and they're wrong. At the same time, I know that S's, especially SJs, are very concerned with manners, so I always take care not to say anything offensive around them. The bottom line is that when I talk to S's, I usually end up quiet and submissive, never voicing my opinion or trying to explain the concepts that support my reasoning, because I'm sure that they couldn't possibly understand my ideas, they wouldn't see the significance of them, they wouldn't care for them. The hypersensitive NFs might irritate me, but at least I know they're mentally on the same plane as me. If they weren't, they couldn't put up emotional walls to block me out. The S's, on the other hand... most of the time I think they're in another dimension.

The only S that I could possibly be is an ISTP. There are some things in TypeLogic (http://www.typelogic.com)'s ISTP descriptions that describe me quite accurately. For example, this excerpt from the analysis of an ISTP's Ti function:

Thinking, the dominant function, generally keeps its opinions to itself. The inner world of introverted thinkers resembles Plato's rec room, where every untried idea runs the gauntlet of Truth. The personal or political source of the alleged fact matters little to Thinking; each tenet must stand on its own premises. Introverted thinkers focus their directives in on themselves, and would like nothing better than for others to do the same.It's perfect. Absolutely perfect. In fact, I think this is much better than the analysis of an INTP's Ti:
Introverted Thinking strives to extract the essence of the Idea from various externals that express it. In the extreme, this conceptual essence wants no form or substance to verify its reality. Knowing the Truth is enough for INTPs; the knowledge that this truth can (or could) be demonstrated is sufficient to satisfy the knower. "Cogito, ergo sum" expresses this prime directive quite succinctly.
In seasons of low energy level, or moments of single-minded concentration, the INTP is aloof and detached in a way that might even offend more relational or extraverted individuals.They're both true in their own ways. But the ISTP's Ti description is so strikingly clear and coherent, it makes me want to hug whoever wrote it. The INTP's is... muddier.

I think I will leave you all with that collection of tangentially relevant commentary and go for now.

[Vagabond]

NT. Can't choose. Extroversion, hmm... I guess if I was an extrovert, I wouldn't mind it, so ok... as for P/J, lol... I am both and neither anyway... quite obviously I wouldn't want to change much of what I am.

[flan2dave]

It's no wonder for most it comes down to either N or T, because the I/E and P/J just arrange how the NT is expressed. They're not core elements. Same reason personality theory expects same mid-two letter types will get along best in relationships.

[Johnny]

The only S that I could possibly be is an ISTP. There are some things in TypeLogic (http://www.typelogic.com)'s ISTP descriptions that describe me quite accurately. For example, this excerpt from the analysis of an ISTP's Ti function:

Thinking, the dominant function, generally keeps its opinions to itself. The inner world of introverted thinkers resembles Plato's rec room, where every untried idea runs the gauntlet of Truth. The personal or political source of the alleged fact matters little to Thinking; each tenet must stand on its own premises. Introverted thinkers focus their directives in on themselves, and would like nothing better than for others to do the same.It's perfect. Absolutely perfect. In fact, I think this is much better than the analysis of an INTP's Ti:
Introverted Thinking strives to extract the essence of the Idea from various externals that express it. In the extreme, this conceptual essence wants no form or substance to verify its reality. Knowing the Truth is enough for INTPs; the knowledge that this truth can (or could) be demonstrated is sufficient to satisfy the knower. "Cogito, ergo sum" expresses this prime directive quite succinctly.
In seasons of low energy level, or moments of single-minded concentration, the INTP is aloof and detached in a way that might even offend more relational or extraverted individuals.They're both true in their own ways. But the ISTP's Ti description is so strikingly clear and coherent, it makes me want to hug whoever wrote it. The INTP's is... muddier.

I think I will leave you all with that collection of tangentially relevant commentary and go for now.

I think that the types are written, in part, to appeal to the audiences. I guess INTP'ers are more likely to have the mental endurance to sift through the description offered (or have already paid the dues to express thinking this way and aren't put off...).

In my hard-earned experience, if one can't explain complex issues in easy-to-understand terms, then one handicaps both their accuracy and worth. ISTP'ers have much to offer.

[int]

Ti. It's like a circle that leads to F when it's on fire. Rare but exciting when it happens.

[cloakable]

I'm going to go Ti, but I'll also take Ne, Si, and Fe along for the ride. Seriously, I like being an INTP, as... it's hard to explain, but looking at the other 98% of the world, I cannot see another type I would want to be. I suppose it's self acceptance.

[Melody]

This is all I see:

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I'm new to this MBTI stuff. I have troube with the "nature or nurture" question. Something tells me is is nurture, so ya'll should watch it. Don't use INTPism as an excuse to be lazy and hide from people, you lazy bastards. ~~XD

[Melody]

By the way, has anyone read Plato's dialogues? Those ISTP/INTP quotes say similar things.

[Miss Padfoot]

I'm new to this MBTI stuff. I have troube with the "nature or nurture" question. Something tells me is is nurture, so ya'll should watch it. Don't use INTPism as an excuse to be lazy and hide from people, you lazy bastards. ~~XDIt's not nurture. I'm lucky - I grew up in a very NT-friendly environment. But I'm the exception, not the rule. Ask Division56, whose parents are both SJs, or Vagabond, who grew up in a very F-ish household. And we don't need an excuse to hide from people or be lazy: we do it whether we have excuses or not. :ph34r:

[The Architect]

I think it's both nature and nurture. We definitely have a predisposition to become INTPs from a very young age, but our surroundings have a huge factor on whether or not we continue on that path or not. Nurture does not necessarily mean our parents raised us to be INTPs. Maybe they did, or maybe it was a lack of attention from them that led to our natural quitness, independence, and ability to observe the world from a standoffish view point. Maybe they smothered us with hypocritical rules we didn't see any sense in. It could have been all kinds of combinations of positive or negative events that led to the way we are, depending on what we perceived to be the best way to deal with these events. Just because someone is an ESFJ, doesn't mean they never had the potential to become an INTP.

Contrary to what a lot of people think, I think personality types are changeable, which is part of the reason I started this thread. I am predominately an INTP, but on occasion, I will do something dramatically unINTPish, which may fit any personality type except for any S type. In addition, as a child, I was not nearly as INTPish as I am now, and I can actually remember a few key events that led to the rejection of certain type preferences or the reinforcement of others. I certainly had the predisposition for an INTP, but events in my life made me one.

[antireconciler]

I think people's personalities make small shifts very frequently. I think for the most part they simply oscillate slightly (people DO find what works best for them, so they've found a point of greatest stability), but as the environment changes or thier perceptions change, their personality can shift substantially to accomidate them until they reach a new point of greatest stability.

Also, I could go either way with everything except my "N". I find it very curious that I have a strong preference for it when I have so little with the others."S" just pretty much sucks whether Se or Si.

[Vagabond]

Nature vs nurture - hmm... I think it is nature. Nurture adds to it, of course - but to me it had somewhat of a counter-effect; having tried to be a Feeler (that was a painful failure - did I say painful?) I rushed over to the Thinking side with urge, I *wanted* not to feel, I guess I was running away from it since my experience scared the hell out of me; the same with introversion. I also notice this as far as my enneagram type is concerned. So really. nurture didn't quite affect me the way the "nurturers" wanted, but it did affect me.

I don't believe an ESFJ might have had the potentials to become an INTP (any types, just using the example in Architect's post); I think your type goes by nature, orelse why am I not an FJ like my parents? On the J thing though - does anyone else think that this is the easiest function to train upon...? I mean I keep wondering - if my folks weren't Js, if I didn't have to learn how to function in a less P-ish way than it came naturally, maybe I would be a clear-cut INTP...? Hmm. Maybe not. (I am rambling again).

[CosmicDust]

I'd say I use my T most. I wouldn't want to lose either my T or my N. I might actually be somewhat better off, in at least some circumstances, with a little less P, but in others I like having some Type B traits. The I is kind of neutral, although it might keep me from not becoming TOO sleep-deprived.

[Melody]

When I was very young, about say two years or less, I remember my grandmother speaking to me, and there were other adults around. She was using a "child-speak" voice. The goofy thing is that I remember thinking at that time, "She's talking down at me."

At some other time, I remember imagining seeing myself from far above. Like a camera looking down at me and the surrounding terrain. I imagined the details around me such as my family's home and endless dirt (I was born in Mexico.)

The reason I point these out is that I was very young at the time, and those things, in my opinion, are very "outside the box," especially for my tiny age at the time. However, this does not lead me to believe that it is nature. I think my personality was strongly molded when I was a baby.

[Tatsuboshi]

I'm strongest in I and very strong in N and T, but just a smidge on the P side. At times I wish I were more J-ish... that I could focus on a few particular hobbies and become accomplished by sticking to schedules. But, at the same time, I like my ability to find interest in and enjoy many things while at the same time being able to relax and go with the flow.

[paladinoflunaria]

I can't decide. INTP- the whole thing is perfect. If I had to get rid of something, P would be first, but INT is difficult to break up.

On nature vs. nurture, I'd go with both, but mostly nature. I've grown up in an ignorant, conformist family, and even for that the intellectual environment is stagnating. I also live in the bible belt. Only my father and I are INTs, the rest of my family are mostly SJs and mostly Fs. Still, I am who I am, despite their best efforts. This could have something to do with the internet, books, etc., because removing one's ignorance is a big step towards non-conformism, etc.. I think it was much more likely for me to be this way than it is for most other people too, though, despite the access to information. Hermits have been around for a long time.

[The Architect]

I don't believe an ESFJ might have had the potentials to become an INTP (any types, just using the example in Architect's post)

Yeah, that may have been a bit extreme.

I still side more with Melody on this though. I think there is less nature to it than nurture, but that doesn't mean that someone tried to nurture you into becoming an INTP, just that experiences led to your becoming one. And I also still think there is some adaptability in type even as you become older, most people just don't find it necessary or don't want to put in the effort to change a major part of themselves.

[candela]

T - the only way I can relate to F is by identifying how specific emotions helped humans survive natural selection. In other words, their purpose. For instance, I think love would be what helps two parents stay together long enough to raise a child, which needs a lot of attention in its early years compared to other animals.
Anyway, I basically just feel(ha!) that emotions are counter-productive to clear thinking and couldn't imagine relying on them at all. Obviously I enjoy emotions though.

I hope I'm not confused about what the letters mean, I don't know all that much about these personality types except what I read about INTP and INTJ types since out of the two times I've taken the test, I come up as either of those.

[paladinoflunaria]

I think it depends on charisma (as in force of personality). The more charisma someone has, the more nature is involved, because they are strongly that type of person. I'm a pretty strong INTP, so I'd say that nature has more to do with it than the experiences I've had. There are people who make friends without wanting to.

[Star Cannon]

I. N. T. or P.?

I depend mostly on my extraverted intuition. For me, thinking... is just that. For me, there has to be the flash before the solution can come. there are just times when thinking clouds up and I end up using my intuition.

For now, my Thinking is contented to exploring my own sub-concious.

So I use my Thinking and my Intuition a lot.

[Crazy]

My N is used in every aspect of my life, and if I didn't have that, well, lets just say I don't understand how those without it can survive.

[Wrath Mania]

Great question. As a weak introvert (or at least I BELIEVE it to be, I show characteristics of both an E and I but more so I), I might be able to live without the I, although I enjoy my hidden, detatched thinking.

I would never surrender intuition, which tends to test as very large. It's amazing how different me and my only sensory friend, an ISTP, percieve things. He just misses the true meaning behind things and the ultimate picture (IE when playing an adventure video game full of puzzles).

I probably wouldn't want to give up my T. Before my dad introduced me to personality types I really didn't understand how or why some of my friends (who I've later observed to be NF's) let their feelings about things drive them into 'depression'. "I wish I didn't feel this way," one of them said. I would always respond "Well then don't."

I didn't realize that some people geniunely are that sensitive and in tune with their feelings and others. And frankly, I wouldn't want to be.

I usually test as a moderate P, although I show a ton of P characteristics. I don't think I'd give up that one either.

Oh, and an ESFJ could become an INTP? They could probably take up some characteristics, but it would be energy draining and they could never truly change their brain type.

I think a lot of it, particularily the N/S and T/F, are genetic, while its strength could be determined by experiences and events. The I/E might be more interchangeable... at least it is for me ;)

[Melody]

I don't let my feelings drive me, but I listen to them.

I just saw a PBS DVD called The Secret Life of the Brain: Episode Four: The Adult Brain: To Think By Feeling.

It was saying that we are not thinking machines. We are feeling machines that think. That sounds right, otherwise language would have developed a lot earlier than it did. Of course, more is meant by "feeling" than just emotions.

[Wrath Mania]

Well, yeah, I can listen to my feelings and notice others... I just usually don't listen to them or use them in decision making unless sound logic happens to agree.

Which of course, it usually doesn't.

[Seraph]

I couldn't do without my "N," no question! Sometimes I wonder what all the S's in the world are thinking. Not to sound mean, but do they actually think?

My N is in the driver's seat throughout most of the day. I think and daydream constantly, especially during class. The teacher will introduce a concept, and my mind will grab ahold of it, twist it, stretch it, connect it to things that you normally wouldn't think it was related to, and on and on and on like that. And at night, my N produces some pretty crazy dreams as well! It causes problems sometimes, but I love it...I'm never bored.

[Last Song]

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[Jkrs]

Nitpicking: You seem to have confused the sociconics means of organising functions by Judging/Percieving preference rather than the one associated with the MBTI. In the MBTI model, a J always has an extroverted (primary) judging function (T/F) and a P always has an extroverted (primary) percieving function (S/N). Thus, an MBTI-model INTP has the function order Ti, Ne, Si, Fe.

The sociconics model takes the simpler view that anyone with a dominant judging function is a J. A sociconics INTP has the function order Ni, Te, Fi, Se (MBTI: INTJ).



And to finally respond to the initial question of this thread, I'm quite fond of my P. Being rather borderline on my preference for intuition, I could get by as either, and being intensely curious about the feeling decision-making process, I wouldn't mind swapping dominant functions - at least for a little while. It's possible for me to emulate an extrovert, but rarely for more than four-ish hours at a stretch. Being more comfortable making decisions than gathering information, though, is pretty alien to me. Along with things like ordered surroundings, etc. c.c

[cloakable]

I couldn't do without my "N," no question! Sometimes I wonder what all the S's in the world are thinking. Not to sound mean, but do they actually think?

:rofl: Yeah, it's mean, no question, but it's also true (and funny). I hold the same view. I dunno if you've noticed it, but its even more extreme with ESFX, the ones I observe (as I *do not* associate myself with them) seem to have no room for independent thought (or IQ, for that matter). Gang types, mostly.

[spirilis]

For the 4-letter type, I'd say these days I'm an IXTP... but I strongly believe I am INTP, because I believe my Si is strong, unlike an ISTP which uses Se, not Si.

I'd say my most-used traits are Ti and Si. Fe breaks through grudgingly and often with a very dramatic beatdown from my Ti (I swear, my outlook and concept of relationships is an immature clusterf**k of an excuse for "feeling") and Ne is used mainly to relate to the outside world.

[Misty_Kye]

Not entirely sure what the message is here. I think it started out at as "What is the most important aspect of INTP to you?", then it became "Which one aspect of INTP would you like to keep?" and somewhere done the road the Nature/nurture question got tossed in as well.

I will answer the question this way. If I had to live in a world where only one need is met (I, N, T or P) which one would I pick? "I"

I often swing J when I first have to deal with a new project, but I don't have fun until the P kicks in. The NT is who I am, but I have lived in a world of SJ's for so long that I have learned how to present my NT so I get some respect. I have also learned how to set up deadlines so my P doesn't get me into too much trouble with the J's.

However, I cringe at the thought of being in a large group (>20) for a long period of time (>3hrs). Although I enjoy the first hour or so, after 3 hours I get real quiet, after 6 hours my jaw and neck are on fire from clenching my teeth and I speak in one work sentences. The worst times in my life have been when I work long hard hours and don't get enough time alone. It alters my personality and I become someone I don't like.

[Lucas]

If I had to live in a world where only one need is met (I, N, T or P) which one would I pick?

The worst times in my life have been when I work long hard hours and don't get enough time alone. It alters my personality and I become someone I don't like.
Me too.
This is an interesting question. After a few minutes of mental gymnastics, I think I've decided on I. Well maybe P as well.

I get really tired after socializing all weekend, or after working really hard with a group. My brain gets foggy(a distant lost gaze comes over me) and I'm irratable until I get a nap and some solitude. Sometimes I wish I could be more extroverty.

-Lucas :blink:


"All power corrupts, but we need electricity." -Haythum R. Khalid

[SensEye]

But if you were not an "I" you would not get tired by people. In fact, being an "E", you would enjoy being with them.

What you need to explain is why you feel your life is better for you being an introvert rather than an extrovert.

[Boozer]

For me it would be T. I scored highest on I then on T, but I am mildly avoidant so tend to be jealous of more socialy adept people.

[s]

Don't use INTPism as an excuse to be lazy and hide from people, you lazy bastards. ~~XD

I agree. I personally believe one must accept his inclinations, but strive to become evolved, balanced and healthy.

[Misty_Kye]

But if you were not an "I" you would not get tired by people. In fact, being an "E", you would enjoy being with them.

What you need to explain is why you feel your life is better for you being an introvert rather than an extrovert.

Actually, I was taking this as though I could not change who I am. The "I" is the part of me that I find least respected overall.

If I could change who I am? I wouldn't want to. Every personality has its pitfalls and although I'm far from perfect, I like who I am.

Is my life better for having been an introvert? I don't know. I've never considered one as being better then the other, just different.

Do I use my introversion as an excuse not to socialize? I don't think so. I still go to church, attend office parties and volunteer regularly. I just know what I need to do so I don't feel overwhelmed; I'll step outside for a few minutes, look at the stars, watch a thunderstorm or help the hostess clean up a bit. There are thousands of ways to mentally detach myself from a crowd for a few minutes.

Actually, except for my sister and best friend, everyone was stunned that I came out as such a strong introvert. However, when I began read about it and look back at my life, a lot of things suddenly made sense.

What pisses me off is when an extrovert tells me there is something wrong with me and I need to change and be just like them.

[indie]

Interesting thread.

I value my iNtuition highest, I could never, ever be an "S". . . so shallow and materialistic, on the surface at least. Living without ideas or some means to generate ideas would be the beginning of a downward spiral.

[joft]

I'm surprised at the amount of INTPs who wish they were INTJ or ENTJ... I absolutely can't stand judging.

I think I would rather trade my thinking for feeling than my perceiving for judging. I'm not completely sure though, as feeling is such a mystery to me, I don't know. I don't understand feeling, but I do understand judging, and I know very well that I do not want to be that way.

[Zero Angel]

I'd trade my I for E, or even become more of a J for decisiveness.

[Boneca]

Imagine being ruled by feelings instead of logic - that's about as scary as I can imagine. So even if I would probably feel very stupid if my intuition was taken away, I'd still say T is the most important to me.

[euterpenc]

Fs can still be very intelligent thinkers. I'd have to say N is most important to me. Ss by description are less aloof and more down to earth. I could never do that. Perhaps they also seem more "shallow" to me, but I could be wrong.

[Zero Angel]

I get the same impression from S's in general too. They are not interested in abstract things, but seem better then N's at recognising smaller patterns. This makes S's better at Tactics (bettering one's position to gain an immediate advantage by recognising patterns on a small scale) then Strategy (bettering one's position to gain a future advantage by recognising patterns at a larger scale), which is what I believe intuition is in regards to interpreting patterns. Then again I could be full of BS.

[mgb]

I would prize my N above all. My T would be nothing without it. I could use more F and E and J can be pretty handy sometimes.

Although, I wonder what it would be like to take the blue pill and live the miserable existence of an SJ sometimes. Ok, I'm done with wondering.

[Edmond Zedo]

Me and my Pness go everywhere together. The cold, and the hot, yo, any kind of weather.

[QrioCT]

N is worth about as much as everything else combined together. you can trade me with an E, J, and F if u give me a double N. (u know this will never work if u know jung's theory...just playing here.) also, T is pretty important too.

[nBT]

...

Do I use my introversion as an excuse not to socialize? I don't think so. I still go to church, attend office parties and volunteer regularly. I just know what I need to do so I don't feel overwhelmed; I'll step outside for a few minutes, look at the stars, watch a thunderstorm or help the hostess clean up a bit. There are thousands of ways to mentally detach myself from a crowd for a few minutes.

Actually, except for my sister and best friend, everyone was stunned that I came out as such a strong introvert. However, when I began read about it and look back at my life, a lot of things suddenly made sense.

What pisses me off is when an extrovert tells me there is something wrong with me and I need to change and be just like them.

those words are perfectly matching my i

i woudnt want to miss my I for a day. its bliss all the silence. it made me who i am.

Ne. it makes all the funny dreams and great links in the world. never a dull moment.

T or F, i woudnt care. i test as a strong T. and i am. i dont see myself as very T. i think im too zoned out to notice my Ti. others see my T first. while i see my N all the time. i hate questions like: 'so how do you feel'.
then

im a borderline J/P. and im happy about that. i just wish i could control the J abit more. ... (dont ask)

on order of keeping: I N P T

[avidApathy]

I'm surprised at the amount of INTPs who wish they were INTJ or ENTJ... I absolutely can't stand judging.

I think I would rather trade my thinking for feeling than my perceiving for judging. I'm not completely sure though, as feeling is such a mystery to me, I don't know. I don't understand feeling, but I do understand judging, and I know very well that I do not want to be that way.
AMEN. i value my P over NT because i think its the P that really seperates the raionals. I have a lot of INTJ friends and the P makes a huge different in who i am...its what makes me a INTP...(I do think the E would be useful sometime...i have to admit that)

[euterpenc]

trade your NT?! blasphemy!

[JF_Aidan_Pryde]

I'm an INTP wanting to be an ENTJ.

I think none of the eight characteristics are 'bad'.

'S' for example has been heavily scorned upon in this thread. Although 'N' is arguably better, it is not always so.

'S' is very useful and a sharp 'S' person can easily out perform a talented 'N' person. A commander with 'S' can grab the kill. A commander with 'N' will probably miss it for the big picture. And after missing enough, they probably won't win the war despite having lost the battles.

We should strive to develope all eight traits. I and E, S and N, T and F, P and J. And when the time comes, ideally we can switch gears and use the most optimal mind set to deal with the situation.

[euterpenc]

I was just thinking about this today. If everyone were Ns, nothing would ever get done, being as they tend to be mroe "out there" we need Ss to get stuff done in the "real" world.

[Edmond Zedo]

I was just thinking about this today. If everyone were Ns, nothing would ever get done, being as they tend to be mroe "out there" we need Ss to get stuff done in the "real" world.
Just wait a couple hundred years for the time when S and J will be economically useless!

[euterpenc]

haha

[JF_Aidan_Pryde]

Just wait for 50 years when Kurzweil's prediction's come true and replace all of us!

[CapnEnnui]

Just wait for 25 years when our species eradicates itself!

[euterpenc]

25 years? Have you seen America lately? lol

[JF_Aidan_Pryde]

Bush is doing a fine job -- He's going to find those folks and bring them to justice!