BitterSweet victory.

[ohnoaninfp]

I am glad that Bush that was relected, but along with that issue 1 passed. Which, really sucks because it affects all couples, and gay couples can't even form unions, that would be reconized by the government. How in the hell did it pass?

[Arcael]

When Kerry conceded I died just a little bit.

God I hate Bush.
Why look back at how bad the last 4 years have been when you can look forward to the next 4!!!

[booyalab]

When Kerry conceded I died just a little bit.

God I hate Bush.
Why look back at how bad the last 4 years have been when you can look forward to the next 4!!!

If it's any consolation, presidents usually concede when they want to maintain their reputation for future races. So maybe he'll be back, better him than Hellary (sic) ;)

[booyalab]

I'm also glad Bush won the re-election but a part of me wanted it to tie just to see what would happen. But then I heard that in the event of a tie, each house of representatives from each state would get one vote (per state). So Bush would win that anyways. Since there are more red states than blue.

[Groty]

When Kerry conceded I died just a little bit.

God I hate Bush.
Why look back at how bad the last 4 years have been when you can look forward to the next 4!!!

And then 4 years of Jeb. Maybe 8 years. Then, there's Marvin...

Joe Kennedy had the same plan for his bloodline, but it didn't work out.

[crule81]

And then 4 years of Jeb. Maybe 8 years. Then, there's Marvin...

Joe Kennedy had the same plan for his bloodline, but it didn't work out.

Maybe I can get Claverhouse to support Bush if I argue that he is attempting to impose a divine-right monarchy on the US.

[Birdsnest]

I lament and I cry and I mourn. I think we have very little hope now for our future. And I can't believe that many people would vote for the same situation, which has just been devastating for us financially, morally, nationally, I mean, how could it get any worse? Now I know.

And every war begins in time for Christmas. And now Bush wants to finish it victoriously with war in Iraq, and its like they are all expecting him to do something major with the war situation. Blairs speech leads into it, to support the war in Iraq too. They are asking for more support in Europe now. Can you foresee a lot of those men fighting in Iraq might not come home? There will be more loss of life. Particulary since Bin Laden just made a public announcement to chose well, or else. What do you suppose he meant by "or else?".

[Sam172]

I want to go run off and live in New Zealand......get away from these silly politicians and their silly policies. Why can't we all get along and smile....

[Groty]

I hear Costa Rica is expatriate friendly!

[Claverhouse]

And then 4 years of Jeb. Maybe 8 years. Then, there's Marvin...

Joe Kennedy had the same plan for his bloodline, but it didn't work out.

Maybe I can get Claverhouse to support Bush if I argue that he is attempting to impose a divine-right monarchy on the US.


No.

;P

Bush is a republican. Bush is a tool. Bush is a Republican Tool.



Claverhouse :ph34r:


[ But... at least he's not Hillary. Probably. Unless the Illuminati are very cunning indeed ].

[HairlessBluetick]

When Kerry conceded I died just a little bit.

God I hate Bush.
Why look back at how bad the last 4 years have been when you can look forward to the next 4!!!

I second that. I almost cried when I heard. IN PUBLIC, no less.

[Melody]

if u had had sex with George Bush the night before, would u have almost cried then?

something to think about

[Vagabond]

Why look back at how bad the last 4 years have been when you can look forward to the next 4!!!
Actually now that he got relected, he practically has the official public approval for his policy. Expect worse.

I think now it is a good time to detach and go to apathy.

[lauriep]

I'll be hiding under a rock for the next four years. Hopefully there will something worth coming back out for in 2008.

[sbw]

vagabond: you're not there already?

Scott

[Johnny]

I can't help but have negative feelings over this election too. It's the price, I suppose, for my personal stake in some of the issues that were debated, my time, my thoughts, and my own efforts to see the results turn out differently...to be the butterfly wing that spawned the tornado to sweep family members to safer ground. The White House and Congress remain Republican for now, but our government must still answer to the people and to the world. Bush's re-election should not be understood as approval for his decisions and actions without exception!

There's still much work that must be done to see Iraq and its people taken care of for our actions there, getting our own OUT, our Social Security system, the deficit, economic growth, and personal liberties...even if your only contribution right now is thoughtful reflection and a tentative stance in discussion with other people who also vote on candidates and propositions. Tomorrow remains in the forecast.

Don't bury your heads in the sand...let's play ball!

:sombrero:

[sbw]

Dubya definitely sucks, and his war definitely sucks, but I think there's a plausible case that

a) the next 4 years were going to be fucked-up chaos regardless of which of those assholes won the election (don't look at me, I voted libertarian)

and

b) john kerry would have been jimmy carter without the charisma. He doesn't know what he wants or how to get it, and he intended to ignore social security, which is relevant only because it will completely bankrupt the richest nation in the history of earth within 40 years if left unattended.

I refused to vote for bush--deficit spending, the war, far-right christian craziness (the fuckin' guy doesn't even believe in EVOLUTION! the fucking pope conceded evolution several years ago, for cryin' out loud!), lying about the war, campaigning on social-security reform the first time before abandoning it, steel tariffs--there are many reasons not to vote for bush. So I didn't. But it seems likely to me that kerry would have been a TERRIBLE president. And he wasn't going to immediately get us out of iraq anyway (neither could anyone else; I'm not blaming him, I'm just saying that's not a plausible reason to vote for him). And if he got a demon-crat majority in the house and/or senate 2 years in, he would definitely have tried to steal all my money. So fuck him.

Scott

[MacGuffin]

the fucking pope

The pope doesn't fuck!

At least I don't think so....

[KentOhio]

demon-crat
Have you been listening to Michael Savage? He uses that word alot.

This election was sweet. No bitterness. Republicans won the House, the Senate, the Presidency, and will soon control the Supreme Court. The people have spoken. Bush got more votes than any other president in U.S. history, and can pretty much do what he wants now. The more he can listen to himself, the better. I didn't believe it, but the people in this country really do have good sense and Christian morals. I can hardly wait for Roe v. Wade to be overturned.

I live in Ohio. We passed a constitutional amendment, approximately 60%, to deny benefits to unmarried couples, gay or straight. Yeehaw!

[InsurgentAlpha]

Yeah that is great. Deny citizens benefits. To unmarried couples gay or straight? Uh... we can't get married so what the hell are you talking about?

Christian morals? The crackhead just uses that to get votes. Besides those wonderful Diebold machines are hardly fool proof. These PNAC members are ruthless... and what of the Diebold CEO last year saying he will secure the electoral vote in Ohio for Bush? Oops!

Christian morals = not killing thousands of innocent people, tolerance of others etc. Hardly what those big pink haired, money grubbing preachers here in the west abide by.

Keep getting that crap spoonfed to you through talk radio and Faux News.

[KentOhio]

The war in Iraq is approved ny the Vatican.

[Division56]

demon-crat
Have you been listening to Michael Savage? He uses that word alot.

This election was sweet. No bitterness. Republicans won the House, the Senate, the Presidency, and will soon control the Supreme Court. The people have spoken. Bush got more votes than any other president in U.S. history, and can pretty much do what he wants now. The more he can listen to himself, the better. I didn't believe it, but the people in this country really do have good sense and Christian morals. I can hardly wait for Roe v. Wade to be overturned.

I live in Ohio. We passed a constitutional amendment, approximately 60%, to deny benefits to unmarried couples, gay or straight. Yeehaw!


Days like this, I wish I weren't a mod. So I could tell you what I really think of you.

[InsurgentAlpha]

Yeehaw!

This explains it all... ignorant fucking white trash. Can't expect much thinking from them really. Just simpleton, spoonfed emotions. "Drone # 111921 reporting for programming"

I did not choose to be the way I am dude... get it through your fat head. Who would choose to have a more difficult life? That is why you piss me off so much you fuck.

[lauriep]

the people in this country really do have good sense and Christian morals

I thought this country was supposed to have freedom of religion and a separation of church and state. Now the government is elected based on politicians' religious views. Something seems screwed up with that.

[InsurgentAlpha]

Hmmm... I didn't think about that during my enraged rant. Good point Laurie.

[Vagabond]

I live in Ohio. We passed a constitutional amendment, approximately 60%, to deny benefits to unmarried couples, gay or straight. Yeehaw!
Yeah, unmarried couples should definitely burn in hell. No true democracy would grant them their democratic rights, I agree.

[file cabinet]

Days like this, I wish I weren't a mod. So I could tell you what I really think of you.

I always thought a mod has the same rights as all other posters? I mean, yes, you do have to set an 'example' but when the line is crossed....

[SheepDog]

The war in Iraq is approved ny the Vatican.
No it isn't.
[edit: I'll match your verb tense.]

[Melody]

let's all agree with KentOhio


I agree with KentOhio.

[Claverhouse]

The war in Iraq is approved ny the Vatican.

Yer'what ?

Earlier today I mentioned his Holiness the Pope's discovery of the Antichrist, and it isn't Saddam either.


Saddam's capture may bring peace, doesn't excuse war, cardinal says

The Roman Catholic Church, led by Pope John Paul II, opposed the U.S.-led war in Iraq. Now the Vatican is turning its attention to Iraq's post-war needs by making offers of humanitarian assistance and calling for all nations to be involved in Iraq's rebuilding.

American Catholic Org (http://www.americancatholic.org/News/JustWar/Iraq/default.asp)


Martino said Saddam should face trial for his crimes but that the world should have been spared the images of his medical examination after his capture.

“I feel pity at seeing this destroyed man, treated like a cow having his teeth checked,” Martino said, responding to a question on the Vatican’s reaction to the capture.

Martino, the Vatican’s former representative to the United Nations in New York, also said it “seems illusory to hope that it (Saddam’s arrest) will repair the drama and damage of the defeat against humanity which war always is.”

The pope was a staunch opponent of the U.S.-led war in Iraq and criticized the decision to go ahead without U.N. authorization.

His message this week did not mention the United States by name, but called for a renewed respect for international law and addressed the dangers of terrorism and the need for reform of international law to combat it.

“The thinking of the Holy Father for the World Day of Peace is fully contained in his message,” said the senior official, speaking on grounds of anonymity. “Cardinal Martino added his own personal point of view.”

Martino’s secretary said the cardinal had no intention of replying.

The Vatican and the Bush administration have sought to stress that their relationship was not damaged by their differences about going to war.

MSNBC Vatican (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3727325/)


I totally doubt if the Vatican has officially approved of any war after that the one between New Italy and the Papal States; and even in private they seem to have rightly assumed that in most cases one lot are fully as bad as the other. In the 2nd Saddamite War they completely despised Bush. And Blair. And who can blame them ?



Claverhouse
:ph34r:

[Johnny]

This explains it all... ignorant ******* white trash. Can't expect much thinking from them really. Just simpleton, spoonfed emotions. "Drone # 111921 reporting for programming"

You can kiss my white trash ass, I.A., for lumping me and my white trash family/friends with everyone else who didn't vote for Kerry for being clear that he would not legislate his religion, not deny Gays their rights, and call the war in Iraq wrong and make amends. Or you can take it back and recalibrate your bigotry-meter.

KentOhio, I believe, is just a kid and probably couldn't vote if he wanted to.

:sombrero:

[Division56]

This explains it all... ignorant ******* white trash. Can't expect much thinking from them really. Just simpleton, spoonfed emotions. "Drone # 111921 reporting for programming"

You can kiss my white trash ass, I.A., for lumping me and my white trash family/friends with everyone else who didn't vote for Kerry for being clear that he would not legislate his religion, not deny Gays their rights, and call the war in Iraq wrong and make amends. Or you can take it back and recalibrate your bigotry-meter.

KentOhio, I believe, is just a kid and probably couldn't vote if he wanted to.

:sombrero:


I think IA meant "redneck", not "white trash." In fact, I know this. I was talking to him when he posted it.

I know some nice white trash, and hate a lot of rednecks... ;P

[crule81]

I've always used white trash, redneck, and hick interchangeably.

[Claverhouse]

It's very easy to get pissed off when tele-sales people ring you up.



Claverhouse :ph34r:

[Arcael]

I think KentOhio was talking about Michael Savage, if not just ignore him.

[MacGuffin]

demon-crat
Have you been listening to Michael Savage? He uses that word alot.

This election was sweet. No bitterness. Republicans won the House, the Senate, the Presidency, and will soon control the Supreme Court. The people have spoken. Bush got more votes than any other president in U.S. history, and can pretty much do what he wants now. The more he can listen to himself, the better. I didn't believe it, but the people in this country really do have good sense and Christian morals. I can hardly wait for Roe v. Wade to be overturned.

I live in Ohio. We passed a constitutional amendment, approximately 60%, to deny benefits to unmarried couples, gay or straight. Yeehaw!

Days like this, I wish I weren't a mod. So I could tell you what I really think of you.


I thought Kent was being sarcastic.

[SheepDog]

I thought Kent was being sarcastic.

That's a funny thing about this site. Words are so literal, sometimes it's hard to tell.

[Division56]

I've always used white trash, redneck, and hick interchangeably.


Rednecks are a subculture, like goths. White trash means an economic and social standing.

[Dunearhp]

What is the origin of the word redneck anyway?

Wouldn't wear hats, didn't like sunscreen, had an attachment to hessian scarves?

[Sackanaka]

I have this open to the philosophy/religion section too, but it might be interesting to see it from a political stance: http://www.xanga.com/home.aspx?user=sackanaka
Just my standpoint on one of the issues somehow even considered political.

[trips]

Few neocons care that Bush has traded American lives for votes.

:mellow: :cry:

[Birdsnest]

Honestly, here is my guess about the word redneck: In the South the sun is hot, and the poorer working class white people working outdoors doing hard labor in construction or the like, are going to have sunburnt necks.

It might be as simple as Southern hot sun and no shirt, = a red sunburnt neck. At least I am guessing, and then it probably developed into having a different meaning later?

Here is a definition of a redneck by a redneck:
http://www.angelfire.com/sc2/andrewturner/index.html

If I may quote something, from above website:
"Where family and friends are first and strangers are just a vague, dismal blur in the distance." If you are not a redneck in redneck territory, this really is the truth.

[SheepDog]

:whistle:"My long hair just can't cover up my re-ud-neck..." :whistle:

[Johnny]

I think IA meant "redneck", not "white trash." In fact, I know this. I was talking to him when he posted it.

I know some nice white trash, and hate a lot of rednecks... ;P

:lol:

[ohnoaninfp]

Yeehaw!

This explains it all... ignorant fucking white trash. Can't expect much thinking from them really. Just simpleton, spoonfed emotions. "Drone # 111921 reporting for programming"

I did not choose to be the way I am dude... get it through your fat head. Who would choose to have a more difficult life? That is why you piss me off so much you fuck.

Hey! Watch your mouth! Seriously do you think that using such foul language makes you seem more intelligent? I know I should be the one to talk because I cuss like a soldier, but still.

I am glad that Bush won, but I am saddened that issue 1 passed. Some people just can't afford to get married right away, why should they be punished? Also I don't really see anything wrong with gay couples forming unions, just as long it is not marriage. Allowing gay unions. would probably allow more adoptions. Marriage is more of a religous thing.

[KentOhio]

I totally doubt if the Vatican has officially approved of any war after that the one between New Italy and the Papal States;
:ph34r:

They don't approve much, but they did approve WWII. True, they were opposed to the Iraq war, but now they've changed their minds.

[file cabinet]

Marriage is more of a religous thing.

uhh.. I'm afraid not. It is much more than that(and not usually religious as int mentions below)


First of all, What is Marriage? When people marry, they tend to do so for reasons of love and commitment. But marriage is also a legal status, which comes with rights and responsibilities. Marriage establishes a legal kinship between you and your spouse. It is a relationship that is recognized across cultures, countries and religions.


What is a Civil Union? Civil Unions exist in only one place: Vermont. They were created in 2000 to provide legal protections to gays and lesbians in relationships in that state. The protections do not extend beyond the border of Vermont and no federal protections are included with a Civil Union. Civil Unions offer some of the same rights and responsibilities as marriage, but only on a state level.


Taxes: Civil Unions are not recognized by the federal government, so couples would not be able to file joint-tax returns or be eligible for tax breaks or protections the government affords to married couples.


Even with gay and lesbian marriages being performed and recognized in some states, the Federal Defense of Marriage Law prohibits the federal government from recognizing gay and lesbian relationships. This puts gay and lesbian couples who are married in a legal limbo. How do they file their tax returns? Do they have to pay the tax on their partner’s health insurance? How do they fill out legal and other forms, single or married?


Creating Civil Unions creates a separate and unequal status for some of America’s citizens.

There is more to it then the text I cited.. read here:
http://lesbianlife.about.com//cs/wedding/a/unionvmarriage.htm

[int]

Marriage is more of a religous thing.

Marriage *was* more of a religious thing. As married atheists, religion serves no purpose in our commitment.

And if that ticks of the "moral right" or whatever, so be it. :P :)

[Claverhouse]

I totally doubt if the Vatican has officially approved of any war after that the one between New Italy and the Papal States;
:ph34r:

They don't approve much, but they did approve WWII.

Yes, you are right, they supported the Axis against the devilish Bolshevist hordes of Atheism, true; but they rather disapproved of the national socialists as a threat to catholicism, so they never declared that it was mandatory for catholics to support the war against the Allies. [ As they practically did in supporting Franco's Nationalists against the Republicans in Spain earlier ]. At all times though they sensibly called for a negotiated peace. However they helped succour some nazis after the war, as they had helped succour many jews during the war.

They didn't like the western allies much, things like Monte Cassino not helping. After Rome was ceded ( the Germans, from respect, made it an Open City ), the Vatican accepted the fortunes of war, and acknowledged the victors. Still detested our Gallant Russian Allies though. As did virtually everyone who met them. Or was raped by them.


True, they were opposed to the Iraq war, but now they've changed their minds.

Really, have they said the War was Just ?

( Nobody else has, other than Donnie Rumsfeld et al ).



Claverhouse :ph34r:

[Jezebel]

Honestly, here is my guess about the word redneck: In the South the sun is hot, and the poorer working class white people working outdoors doing hard labor in construction or the like, are going to have sunburnt necks.

It might be as simple as Southern hot sun and no shirt, = a red sunburnt neck. At least I am guessing, and then it probably developed into having a different meaning later?

I can't remember the source, but I've heard that before. Except that it originated more specifically from the farmers working in the hot southern sun.

But I looked it up, and found a site that not only claims that "redneck" came from scotland, but also "hillbilly", "cracker", and "gringo":

http://www.scotshistoryonline.co.uk/rednecks/rednecks.html


The origins of this term are Scottish and refer to supporters of the National Covenant and The Solemn League and Covenant, or "Covenanters", largely Lowland Presbyterians, many of whom would flee Scotland for Ulster (Northern Ireland) during persecutions by the British Crown. The Covenanters of 1638 and 1641 signed the documents that stated that Scotland desired the Presbyterian form of church government and would not accept the Church of England as its official state church.

Many Covenanters signed in their own blood and wore red pieces of cloth around their necks as distinctive insignia; hence the term "Red neck", which became slang for a Scottish dissenter*. One Scottish immigrant, interviewed by the author, remembered a Presbyterian minister, one Dr. Coulter, in Glasgow in the 1940's wearing a red clerical collar -- is this symbolic of the "rednecks"?

Since many Ulster-Scottish settlers in America (especially the South) were Presbyterian, the term was applied to them, and then, later, their Southern descendants. One of the earliest examples of its use comes from 1830, when an author noted that "red-neck" was a "name bestowed upon the Presbyterians." It makes you wonder if the originators of the ever-present "redneck" joke are aware of the term’s origins?

[SheepDog]

I totally doubt if the Vatican has officially approved of any war after that the one between New Italy and the Papal States;
:ph34r:

They don't approve much, but they did approve WWII. True, they were opposed to the Iraq war, but now they've changed their minds.
No they haven't.

[cloakable]

I'll be hiding under a rock for the next four years. Hopefully there will something worth coming back out for in 2008.

Really? I've added Shrub to the same list that Universal's on. You know, the 'irredemable moronic retards' list. It really frightens me that 51% of a country as big as America cannot tell that Shrub will do even more damage to the world this term than he did last term. What does he have to worry about? Getting back into the Oil House?

[Groty]

Honestly, here is my guess about the word redneck: In the South the sun is hot, and the poorer working class white people working outdoors doing hard labor in construction or the like, are going to have sunburnt necks.



Yupper, I'll expand on that. It was a derogatory term used by rich low country plantation owners to describe the poor farmers in the mid-state and upper state regions of south carolina. The poor farmers couldn' afford to have slaves to do their work for them, so their necks were sunburned from working in their own fields all day.

[lauriep]

I'll be hiding under a rock for the next four years. Hopefully there will something worth coming back out for in 2008.

Really? I've added Shrub to the same list that Universal's on. You know, the 'irredemable moronic retards' list. It really frightens me that 51% of a country as big as America cannot tell that Shrub will do even more damage to the world this term than he did last term. What does he have to worry about? Getting back into the Oil House?

At least 49% of Americans know better and didn't vote for him. Hopefully in 2008, there will something left that idiot boy hasn't destroyed or turned against us. At least he can only serve two terms.

[Darren]

demon-crat
I didn't believe it, but the people in this country really do have good sense and Christian morals.

Contradiction.... one can't have both. Appealing to an imaginary Sky Daddy for moral guidance is hardly a display of good sense.

A pity that the Democrats have spinelessly let the Republicans co-opt the "party of moral values" label... *all* parties are parties of moral values, the Democrats just happen to have the right ones.

I'm soooooo glad I live in Canada.

[Darren]

Marriage is more of a religous thing.

So atheists can't get married?? :blink:

BTW, another Canadian province legalized gay marriage this week. It made page 17 of the newspaper...... that's how big a deal gay marriage is up here (that is, not a big deal at all B) .

[Claverhouse]

Found somebody's blog mentioning the election, and liked this quote from Mencken. Since economy helps I chose to resurrect this thread rather than wasting a new one.


OK, so people voted. OK, so people completely unlike me in any way appear to have voted more. (Unless you hold with those (http://www.blackboxvoting.com/) who feel there are serious problems with the electronic machines most of us were asked to use, and how their results were tabulated...) OK, so it's just completely clear that I don't belong in this country anymore.

I think a quote from H. L. Menken is appropriate right about now:

"As democracy is perfected, the office of the president represents,
more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great
and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned by a downright
moron."

H.L. Mencken (1880-1956)
Mootmom (http://mootmom.editthispage.com/)



Claverhouse :ph34r:


[ She also recommends a not that pleasant rant against Southerners: Fuck The South (http://fuckthesouth.com/). Can't be bothered with petty parochial hatreds myself; I take the whold world as my parish... Everywhere is full of crud and democrats ].

[Robespierre]

Mencken was brilliant. His thoughts on the illegitimacy of democracy are truly inspiring.