North american union

[rawr]

http://www.humaneventsonline.com/article.php?id=15497
http://www.humaneventsonline.com/article.php?id=15017
www.spp.gov


Opinions? Personaly, I think this is some conservitive globalization thats going to backfire when mexicans stand up and demand rights and more americans loose jobs and protections they had.

[CoHo]

Sweet a road from Minnesota to Texas, now I can see what all the yapping is about.

[rawr]

Sweet a road from Minnesota to Texas, now I can see what all the yapping is about.


Not just a road, a new currency for the USA, canada and mexico called the amerio, and relaxed borders like the EU. Also, diffrent trade rules.

[CoHo]

Not just a road, a new currency for the USA, canada and mexico called the amerio, and relaxed borders like the EU. Also, diffrent trade rules.

Amerio... has a nice ring to it. So does Halibut Tacos. So far it all sounds gravy... or should I say Bacon? :thelook:

[mgb]

Umm no to the idea.

And ewwww to CW.

[CoHo]

And ewwww to CW.

Yeahh... how about Maple Syrup and Tamales?

Hrm... maybe Canad and Mexico shouldn't get any closer together

[distraction tactics]

Not just a road, a new currency for the USA, canada and mexico called the amerio, and relaxed borders like the EU. Also, diffrent trade rules.

How unfair! It should be 'Canamerio'.

Oh well, so long as I can retain my toonies...

Edit: Honestly though, how they propose this when fucking passports are going to be needed for everyone else crossing the US/Canada border? It's not an issue of left vs right, it's an issue of how stupid the Bush administration really is, and why I can't believe Americans voted in this chump not once but twice.

[rawr]

how about camaro? lol

[Tolbruk]

Interstate 35 already goes from Minn to Texas...

I really hope they don't mess up Highway 61 from Duluth to Canada...its a beautiful drive and all we need is a some monstrosity of a highway.

[Nemesis]

What the crap is this mess? It completely bypasses New York City, Los Angeles, Boston, Philadelphia, San Francisco, and a host of other major US cities. Why the hell is that? Do they honestly think anyone from Canada or Mexico gives a crap enough to drive to the breadbasket of the modern world for a vacation, or are they asking for there to be more illegal immigrants with easier access to the United States (and Canada for that matter), and further expand the reach of the migrant worker region?

[rawr]

They're trying to bypass Teamsters and all of the unions at the ports.

[Nemesis]

They're trying to bypass Teamsters and all of the unions at the ports.
Yeah, lotsa trade going on between Mexico and Canada. Also, in avoiding the teamsters and unions port cities, they've managed to plan it through Chicago. Good job.

[ben from below]

They don't intend to unload anything in Chicago....

[Nemesis]

They don't intend to unload anything in Chicago....
Then what the hell is the point of this highway?

[kuranes]

how stupid the Bush administration really is, and why I can't believe Americans voted in this chump not once but twice.

DID we ?

http://forums.intpcentral.com/showthread.php?t=11610&highlight=Political+Machines

[Nemesis]

Wait hold on a sec. Isn't Canada technically a part of the EU, since they swear allegiance to the Crown?

[ben from below]

They're unloading ships in Mexico or Canada, driving them into the middle of the US to bypass teamsters and dockworker's unions. This road has nothing to do with general traffic.

[Nemesis]

They're unloading ships in Mexico or Canada, driving them into the middle of the US to bypass teamsters and dockworker's unions.
That's rather drastic. The extra gas it would cost to go the extra miles seems like it's not worth it. Besides, do they not have teamsters and unions in Canada and Mexico? It doesn't seem like this is ever going to happen. And sacrifice the dollar? The Bush administration? The mere thought of it!

[ben from below]

The Bush administration will sacrifice the dollar in a heartbeat. neo-conservatives are NOT nationalistic, despite what the media would have you believe. Globalization is the goal. Read up on the Council for Foreign Relations, just for a glimpse

[Nemesis]

The Bush administration will sacrifice the dollar in a heartbeat. neo-conservatives are NOT nationalistic, despite what the media would have you believe
Oh, you mean like how they continually manipulate the market and fight to have the Saudis measure oil prices in dollars, to make sure it doesn't sink further against the Euro? The Bush administration will do no such thing, ESPECIALLY with midterm elections just around the corner.

[distraction tactics]

Wait hold on a sec. Isn't Canada technically a part of the EU, since they swear allegiance to the Crown?

:lol:

No, not quite.

[Nemesis]

Also, I fail to see how the Bush administration could be considered neo-anything. Perhaps neo-fascism, but not neo-conservatives.

[Nemesis]

:lol:

No, not quite.
LOL. What the hell is even the point of associating yourself with the queen then?

[ben from below]

They manipulate the dollar as much as it serves their political needs. None of this will be big news until way after the midterm elections, and soon enough, no one will have political needs....

[Nemesis]

They manipulate the dollar as much as it serves their political needs. None of this will be big news until way after the midterm elections, and soon enough, no one will have political needs....
Are you saying it's going to happen without us even noticing?

[distraction tactics]

LOL. What the hell is even the point of associating yourself with the queen then?

Many Canadians ask the same question. In this day and age, it's just a kitschy thing.

...wait, that's not the word... 'quaint', I guess it is, to pay homage to our shared history.

[ben from below]

This major construction won't begin until after the midterm elections. And after the next presidential election......

[Nemesis]

This major construction won't begin until after the midterm elections. And after the next presidential election......
I meant the whole North American Union thing. Converting from the dollar to the Amerio.

[rawr]

I know it sounds weak, but it probably skirts around allot of terrifs and embargos also.

[ben from below]

I meant the whole North American Union thing. Converting from the dollar to the Amerio.

Oh...

It will happen...slowly, incrementally, just like everything else. A law here, treaty there. Once day there will be some big "natural" disaster that changes all our attitudes. We will realize that uniting the US, Mexico, and Canada should be more unified for military/economic/environmental protection.

[Nemesis]

I know it sounds weak, but it probably skirts around allot of terrifs and embargos also.
Still, not worth it. We get all our imports from the far east, so we wouldn't be skirting around much at all. Plus, maybe you haven't noticed, but the peso and the Canadian dollar aren't doing so well lately.

[distraction tactics]

Still, not worth it. We get all our imports from the far east, so we wouldn't be skirting around much at all. Plus, maybe you haven't noticed, but the peso and the Canadian dollar aren't doing so well lately.

On the contrary, from 63 cents to 90 in under 3 years against the USD suggests it's doing frighteningly well.

[Nemesis]

On the contrary, from 63 cents to 90 in under 3 years against the USD suggests it's doing frighteningly well.
Hmm. It appears I've neglected to look at the canadian prices on the jackets of books I've bought from Barnes & Noble lately. Shame on me. CONGRATULATIONS!!! w00t!!1

However, I'll read you an excerpt from this large cup from Taco Bell I happen to have.

"BECOME EL PRESIDENTE!!! WIN 1,000,000 PESOS!!!
That's $93,000 amigo!"

[distraction tactics]

Dude, you hit on the shittiest part of all - American imports haven't gone down in price. Bastards. :rant:

[Nemesis]

Dude, you hit on the shittiest part of all - American imports haven't gone down in price. Bastards. :rant:
LOL! Well I hope you aren't surprised by the capitalists.

So THAT explains why the inside jacket of a hardbound copy of "Lord of the Flies" says USA $23.95 Canada $33.95!

[rawr]

Still, not worth it. We get all our imports from the far east, so we wouldn't be skirting around much at all. Plus, maybe you haven't noticed, but the peso and the Canadian dollar aren't doing so well lately.


There not imports from the far east anymore when they're coming from mexico:ph34r: Lower tax (probably) that large corporations have to pay on importing goods.

[Nemesis]

There not imports from the far east anymore when they're coming from mexico:ph34r: Lower tax (probably) that large corporations have to pay on importing goods.
That's not going to happen. If the Amerio were to come into play, then all of a sudden, Mexico has a halfway decent currency, and is no longer a third world country. Once that happens, the tarrifs will consequently go up, because of inflation and exchange rate changes. Also, once that's happened, there will likely be social windfall and reform in Mexico.

[rawr]

That's not going to happen. If the Amerio were to come into play, then all of a sudden, Mexico has a halfway decent currency, and is no longer a third world country. Once that happens, the tarrifs will consequently go up, because of inflation and exchange rate changes. Also, once that's happened, there will likely be social windfall and reform in Mexico.


Thats still to our benifit. Hell, the amerio is to our benifit. Maybe its a plan to better befriend those countrys attached to us, to further globalization. And to compete with china and the EU.

[Architectonic]

Not just a road, a new currency for the USA, canada and mexico called the amerio, and relaxed borders like the EU. Also, diffrent trade rules.

The road is possible, but unlikely in the near future. Relaxed borders, trade rules will eventually happen. A universal combined currency will NEVER happen. There is more chance of a non-government currency being used......


On the contrary, from 63 cents to 90 in under 3 years against the USD suggests it's doing frighteningly well.

No, it means the USD was doing badly... You have to compare the CAD to the other currencies as well to get the whole picture...

[Nemesis]

Thats still to our benifit. Hell, the amerio is to our benifit. Maybe its a plan to better befriend those countrys attached to us, to further globalization. And to compete with china and the EU.
How in the hell is it to our benefit. Not to mention, lowering the value of our currency isn't exactly the best thing to do to compete with India and China, who will inevitably become the next economic and militaristic superpowers, respectively.

[rawr]

1. canadas full of oil
2. mexcios full of people who want to live the "american dream"
3. Just because we switch to some universal currency, doesnt mean mexicos going to be any richer than they are now.

[Nemesis]

1. canadas full of oil
Yeah. FROZEN oil, which is way too expensive to extract to make it worth it. This argument came up with the issue of wether or not the US should annex Alberta.

2. mexcios full of people who want to live the "american dream"
How in the hell is that good for U.S. citizens?

3. Just because we switch to some universal currency, doesnt mean mexicos going to be any richer than they are now.
Not immediately anyway, but eventually the wealth will spread itself around.

[distraction tactics]

No, it means the USD was doing badly... You have to compare the CAD to the other currencies as well to get the whole picture...

Hence the use of 'frighteningly'. That a nation with 1/10th the population of the US should makes such gains on it...

That aside, media reports suggest the strength of the CAD is heavily influenced by the boom of Alberta oil. Unfortunately, manufacturing all across Canada is down because of the hit to exports. My own company has had to really cut corners to stay competitive.

[rawr]

Yeah. FROZEN oil, which is way too expensive to extract to make it worth it. This argument came up with the issue of wether or not the US should annex Alberta.

Why is alberta so rich then.. If its not worth it



How in the hell is that good for U.S. citizens?
f around.

Cheep legal labor.



Not immediately anyway, but eventually the wealth will spread itself around.

Its not going to hurt the well off at all. And once the wealth has spread its self out, now you have a larger market to purchase goods at united states retail prices.

[Architectonic]

Hell, the amerio is to our benifit.

Why? I can't think of many good reasons... Transaction costs of converting one currency to another are currently very small due to the use of electronic banking....

[Nemesis]

Why is alberta so rich then.. If its not worth it
Idk. What I do know is that the reason the US government isn't pushing to annex Alberta anymore is because the oil is frozen, and the process needed to extract it is too expensive.

Cheep legal labor.
We already have cheap legal labor. They're called high school and college dropouts.

Its not going to hurt the well off at all. And once the wealth has spread its self out, now you have a larger market to purchase goods at united states retail prices.
Okay, so that has what, exactly, to do with your argument of bypassing tariffs and other taxes?

[Zero Angel]

The NAFTA superhighway is but one way to bypass the checks and balances of economic fairness (unionization). The fact that there has been no official announcement of the NAFTA superhighway leaves me suspicious, not of the highway, but of the government. Governments typically do things behind the scenes when they know that it's not in the people's best interest and they are unable to convince them of such, it leaves much less room for public critiscm and outrage. One tactic of corrupt governments is not disinformation, but radio silence, relying on people's tendency to forget about things.

I hope Canada doesn't become like America, our nation is sovereign and that soveriegnity is important and defines how we are, its what separates us from the selfishness and greed that define many americans. And regarding the AMERO. I believe that the American economy might collapse soon, how you ask? Well for one, they have a huge debt, a debt that is quietly hidden in various loans, cooked books and anything which can help to fund their war. How, you ask did they pull out the $120 billion to fight Iraq? Well it wasn't out of any kind of massive budget surplus, and it certainly wasn't out of their asses. The point is that any collapse of that economy could have the potential to drag Canada down with it. For the first time in decades, our economy is stable, a majority of our national debt is payed off, and our dollar is on par with the american dollar. It would be in America's best interest to try to unite our dollar and thus cause us to lose one of the things that separates us from them.

Any attempt to rally the countries into a single entity now would be a huge mistake for Canada to allow, especially given our economic stability and the value of our dollar.

[Biff_Loman]

If this idea progressess, I'm going to have to consider emigration to another region of the world.

[jread]

The U.S., Canada and Mexico are all pretty much the same country already.

[booyalab]

Sweet a road from Minnesota to Texas, now I can see what all the yapping is about.
isn't that the point of I-35? or are you being sarcastic? dammit :confused:

[MyDogHasFleas]

I'm all for it. They've already started construction of Texas 130 near Austin where I live -- you can see it when you land at Bergstrom Airport from the north. Why not? And what's wrong with doing it with private money... we don't have to pay taxes for it that way and the users will actually pay for it, not the general public... what a concept!

I often say to people who yap about immigration problems that we should just merge with Mexico and Canada and be done with it. We could even keep the same name -- United States of America -- with just another 20 or so more states. Hell, we're already a bilingual country, why not make it trilingual.

[Claverhouse]

There may be a small unreconstructed minority of both Mexicans and Canadians who don't want to merge with the USA.


Claverhouse :ph34r:

[MyDogHasFleas]

There may be a small unreconstructed minority of both Mexicans and Canadians who don't want to merge with the USA.

Yeah, true. And probably an equal number of USA-ans who don't want to merge with Mexico and Canada. sigh they just don't appreciate the greatness of my leadership and brilliance of my ideas. B)

[Claverhouse]

You could offer those minorities the assured safety that Homeland Security will create once it's properly up and running.


Claverhouse :ph34r:

[CoHo]

isn't that the point of I-35? or are you being sarcastic? dammit :confused:

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[CoHo]

Oh yes, I almost forgot

:sombrero:

and

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a188/CWhore/canadian.gif

[Zero Angel]

So, you are basically saying that....

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a188/CWhore/dopey.gif + http://forums.intpcentral.com/images/smilies/sombrero.gif + http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a188/CWhore/canadian.gif = NEW WORLD ORDER. ?

[Ponderous]

I'm all for it. They've already started construction of Texas 130 near Austin where I live -- you can see it when you land at Bergstrom Airport from the north. Why not? And what's wrong with doing it with private money... we don't have to pay taxes for it that way and the users will actually pay for it, not the general public... what a concept!

I'm not so sure we can say it's all private funding. Granted, it will in large part be toll paid.

My concern lies more with the issue that I live near the thing. What can I expect environmentally living near a highway that is not lanes wide but miles wide (corridor still shows 4-10 miles). Look at it in relation to the other highways on the map...
http://www.keeptexasmoving.com/pdfs/deis_05/document/chapter_7_figure_7-1.pdf

The interesting thing is that the Trans-TexasCorridor website (http://www.keeptexasmoving.com/default.aspx) does say that it is being built for local reasons, planning 50 years out for population growth instead of 30 and blah, blah. Since this has only recently come to my attention, I do intend to attend the public hearings on the highway when they stop by my town.

[distraction tactics]

4-10 miles wide? Shoot, I guess that's one stop sign I won't be running.

[simian20]

jesus fucking christ - the mind boggles

world wide american hegemony here we come

http://www.thecolumnists.com/stanley/stanley52art3.jpg

[Ferrus]

Canada and the US could join together with relative ease outside the obvious political ramifications, Mexico is so far behind the two economically it would cause the rest of the continent's economy to struggle, as West Germany has. Compounding this would be the issue of the Zapistas in south Mexico.