Newer Quadra test with pictures (socionics)

[rmcnew]

http://socion.info/cgi-bin/Q16.cgi

Read the intro, no need to quit half-way through.

[shooky]

Bizarre test.

Primary Type: INTj (Ti, Ne)
Secondary Type: ENTp (Ne, Ti)

[Birdsnest]

It said I had a tied quadra. I am surely not J, I might be somewhat balanced but have preference for P. I am no entj, I've always been an intp, never anything else.

http://socion.info/cgi-bin/Q16.cgi?Q3=1&Q7=1&Q9=1&Q10=1&Q11=1&Q14=1&Q15=1&Q17=1&TIE=0&Q1=-1&Q2=-1&Q4=-1&Q5=-1&Q6=-1&Q8=-1&Q12=-1&Q13=-1&Q16=-1&TB1=-1&TB2=1&TBR=1&Q=99&post=1

[rmcnew]

Bizarre test.

Primary Type: INTj (Ti, Ne)
Secondary Type: ENTp (Ne, Ti)

Heh ... what do you think of it now, though? That is INTj BTW.

[rmcnew]

It said I had a tied quadra. I am surely not J, I might be somewhat balanced but have preference for P. I am no entj, I've always been an intp, never anything else.

Socionics does not go by the same definitions as MBTI does for J and P, so it is possible if thinking is a stronger function for you; but, for the most part that was either or on the secondary part. The primary type mostly just rounds it down using whatever you got for J/P.

[April]

http://socion.info/cgi-bin/Q16.cgi?Q1=1&Q2=1&Q3=1&Q5=1&Q9=1&Q11=1&Q13=1&Q15=1&Q17=0&TIE=0&Q4=-1&Q6=-1&Q7=-1&Q8=-1&Q10=-1&Q12=-1&Q14=-1&Q16=-1&Q17=1&Q=35&post=1

It got me this time :) I'm not sure why I scored much lower on Ne and higher on Si and Se this time, though!

[rmcnew]

That's good ... the test has improved apparently.

[Fingers]

Alpha Ne(0) Fe(6) Ti(6) Si(10) 22
Beta Se(8) Fe(6) Ti(6) Ni(2) 22
Gamma Te(6) Ni(2) Se(8) Fi(6) 22
Delta Te(6) Si(10) Ne(0) Fi(6) 22

hahaha.. *shrugs*

[zhang_bob]

Quadra: Tied Quadra

Alpha Ne(5) Fe(2) Ti(10) Si(7) 24
Beta Se(5) Fe(2) Ti(10) Ni(3) 20
Gamma Te(8) Ni(3) Se(5) Fi(4) 20
Delta Te(8) Si(7) Ne(5) Fi(4) 24


Type(s): EXTX EXFX IXFX IXTX (probably J type)



Tie breaker Quadra:
Alpha = 25 Beta = 21 Gamma = 21 Delta = 25
Secondary Types: -
Primary Type: -
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Edit: Retook the test to see if it would come up the same.

Quadra: Tied Quadra
Based on prediction only

Alpha Ne(7) Fe(5) Ti(6) Si(3) 21
Beta Se(1) Fe(5) Ti(6) Ni(9) 21
Gamma Te(6) Ni(9) Se(1) Fi(7) 23
Delta Te(6) Si(3) Ne(7) Fi(7) 23


Type(s): EXTj EXFp IXFj IXTp (probably J type)

Tie breaker Quadra:
Alpha = 23 Beta = 21 Gamma = 25 Delta = 23
Secondary Types: ENTj INTp
Primary Type: ENTj

[RottenApple]

Can someone explain to us Psychology newbies what a quadra is...and how they differ ?

[fripping]

sometimes neither answer seems worth choosing over the other, and no matter what it always puts words in my mouth. it's ugly, and doesn't make much sense. at least it's a little better than the earlier version though.

[rmcnew]

Can someone explain to us Psychology newbies what a quadra is...and how they differ ?

A quadra is a grouping of 4 types in socionics who share core values, namely the dual partners, mirror partners, and activity partners. They all share the same functions in the Ego and Super-id blocks of the Psyche (Socionic model of the Psyche).

[Mercury_Quirks]

Um. I agree that it's better but I'm still having trouble with it.

Alpha Ne(6) Fe(6) Ti(6) Si(4) 22
Beta Se(2) Fe(6) Ti(6) Ni(8) 22
Gamma Te(6) Ni(8) Se(2) Fi(6) 22
Delta Te(6) Si(4) Ne(6) Fi(6) 22


Type(s): please consult above chart manually (probably J type)

Tie breaker Quadra:
Alpha = 24 Beta = 22 Gamma = 24 Delta = 22

From this I would guess INFp(or INTp but the Ni score is the highest), which is a possibility except for the fact that I don't relate with the socionics INFp descriptions I've seen so far.

Edit: Actually, just read the INFp description at http://socion.info and it's one I was looking for yesterday as it's the only INFp/INFP description that matches me decently.

[Kljoki]

http://socion.info/cgi-bin/Q16.cgi?Q2=1&Q4=1&Q8=1&Q9=1&Q10=1&Q11=1&Q12=1&Q13=1&Q15=1&Q17=0&TIE=0&Q1=-1&Q3=-1&Q5=-1&Q6=-1&Q7=-1&Q14=-1&Q16=-1&Q17=1&Q=35&post=1

You know, I just might be an ENFj. But I think I?m more of an INFp, ethical subtype. Si is not my PoLR.




From this I would guess INFp(or INTp but the Ni score is the highest), which is a possibility except for the fact that I don't relate with the socionics INFp descriptions I've seen so far.

Edit: Actually, just read the INFp description at http://socion.info and it's one I was looking for yesterday as it's the only INFp/INFP description that matches me decently. That type profile is why I'm convinced I'm INFp. And gulenko's attitudes (http://forums.intpcentral.com/showthread.php?t=10231).
Regarding your socionics type, you don't find it through type descriptions. You could be any type like that. You do it through an analysis. "Does my type match the intertype relations I have? Do the information elements match their supposed psyche functions?" and stuff like that.

I personally wouldn't put you in beta, but them again I don't know you.
Have you ever caught yourself believing in something beyond stupid? But really, *beyond* stupid?
I do it all the time. Don't know if it's a type thing. It might be.

[Mercury_Quirks]

. You do it through an analysis. "Does my type match the intertype relations I have? Do the information elements match their supposed psyche functions?" and stuff like that.

I personally wouldn't put you in beta, but them again I don't know you.
Have you ever caught yourself believing in something beyond stupid? But really, *beyond* stupid?
I do it all the time. Don't know if it's a type thing. It might be.

Believing in something really stupid? Hm. I don't think so. Example?

I've been trying to do the "decide through functions and such and not through profiles" but it's proving to be quite difficult to find enough information of the right sort.

[Kljoki]

Believing in something really stupid? Hm. I don't think so. Example? You're positive you are right, but you are wrong and no amount of persuasion will change your mind.


I've been trying to do the "decide through functions and such and not through profiles" but it's proving to be quite difficult to find enough information of the right sort.

Yes, a common problem. All the good stuff is in Russian. You have these sites:
- http://www.socioniko.net/
- http://socionics.us/

Some links here: - http://www.the16types.info/forums/viewtopic.php?t=441

And an intro into socionics here: - http://www.socioniko.net/en/articles/lytovs-intro1.html

Also, I've posted a couple of socionics topics in the other forms of typology forum. Perhaps that will be of assistance.

[Lee]

Alpha Ne(4) Fe(2) Ti(10) Si(7) 23
Beta Se(5) Fe(2) Ti(10) Ni(4) 21
Gamma Te(8) Ni(4) Se(5) Fi(4) 21
Delta Te(8) Si(7) Ne(4) Fi(4) 23

Type(s): EXTX EXFX IXFX IXTX (probably J type)

Alpha = 24 Beta = 22 Gamma = 22 Delta = 24

Well that wasn't helpful in the slightest.

[Kljoki]

Type(s): EXTX EXFX IXFX IXTX (probably J type)

Alpha = 24 Beta = 22 Gamma = 22 Delta = 24

Well that wasn't helpful in the slightest.
Your alpha. Me thinks.

[bergenski]

Well that wasn't helpful in the slightest.
Haven't you figured your type out by now? I sought counsel with a member here.

[Lee]

Your alpha. Me thinks.Not a great deal more helpful.

[digesthisickness]

Quadra: Tied Quadra


Alpha Ne(9) Fe(5) Ti(7) Si(1) 22
Beta Se(1) Fe(5) Ti(7) Ni(9) 22
Gamma Te(5) Ni(9) Se(1) Fi(7) 22
Delta Te(5) Si(1) Ne(9) Fi(7) 22


Type(s): please consult above chart manually (probably P type)

Tie breaker Quadra:
Alpha = 23 Beta = 23 Gamma = 23 Delta = 23
Secondary Types:
Primary Type:



well, now... i know it says something, i just have no clue as to what that something is. it kind of hurts, really.

[Mercury_Quirks]

You're positive you are right, but you are wrong and no amount of persuasion will change your mind.


If someone can prove me wrong, I'll change my mind. But I won't neccessarily admit I'm wrong unless the situation calls for it.



Yes, a common problem. All the good stuff is in Russian. You have these sites:
- http://www.socioniko.net/
- http://socionics.us/

Some links here: - http://www.the16types.info/forums/viewtopic.php?t=441

And an intro into socionics here: - http://www.socioniko.net/en/articles/lytovs-intro1.html

Also, I've posted a couple of socionics topics in the other forms of typology forum. Perhaps that will be of assistance.

Thank you!

[Kljoki]

Not a great deal more helpful.
Well, regarding this question, if you'd asked me for concrete evidence that would've place you as a Te type of some sort. I expected you not to ask.
The reason I say alpha quadra is because you show no Se and Fi. So that leaves alpha.
And your Ti is larger then life.

[rmcnew]

Quadra: Tied Quadra


Alpha Ne(9) Fe(5) Ti(7) Si(1) 22
Beta Se(1) Fe(5) Ti(7) Ni(9) 22
Gamma Te(5) Ni(9) Se(1) Fi(7) 22
Delta Te(5) Si(1) Ne(9) Fi(7) 22


Type(s): please consult above chart manually (probably P type)

Tie breaker Quadra:
Alpha = 23 Beta = 23 Gamma = 23 Delta = 23
Secondary Types:
Primary Type:



well, now... i know it says something, i just have no clue as to what that something is. it kind of hurts, really.

ENXp or INXj ...

[digesthisickness]

ENXp or INXj ...

hmmmm

[zhang_bob]

Kljoki, you seem to know about this so can you explain the difference from my first time I took the test and when I retook the test?
http://www.intpcentral.com/forums/showpost.php?p=345924&postcount=9

[Lee]

Well, regarding this questionI didn't ask any question ;P


if you'd asked me for concrete evidence that would've place you as a Te type of some sort. I expected you not to ask.I don't understand. Why would I ask for concrete evidence that placed me as a Te type?


The reason I say alpha quadra is because you show no Se and Fi. So that leaves alpha.Can you explain that? I'd conjecture myself, but I am not sure what "Se" and "Fi" mean to you.


And your Ti is larger than life.So that would make me a ENTp or INTj?

[rmcnew]

Alpha Ne(4) Fe(2) Ti(10) Si(7) 23
Beta Se(5) Fe(2) Ti(10) Ni(4) 21
Gamma Te(8) Ni(4) Se(5) Fi(4) 21
Delta Te(8) Si(7) Ne(4) Fi(4) 23

Type(s): EXTX EXFX IXFX IXTX (probably J type)

Alpha = 24 Beta = 22 Gamma = 22 Delta = 24

Well that wasn't helpful in the slightest.

That looks like ENTp or INTj, but it could also be ESTj or ISTp ...

[Kljoki]

Kljoki, you seem to know about this so can you explain the difference from my first time I took the test and when I retook the test?
http://www.intpcentral.com/forums/showpost.php?p=345924&postcount=9
rmcnew is better. He designed the test and can see your results on each question.

[Leftfield]

Tie breaker Quadra:
Alpha = 26 Beta = 20 Gamma = 22 Delta = 24

Secondary Types: ENTp INTj
Primary Type: ENTp

Confused about why my primary and secondary are both ENTp...

[rmcnew]

Kljoki, you seem to know about this so can you explain the difference from my first time I took the test and when I retook the test?
http://www.intpcentral.com/forums/showpost.php?p=345924&postcount=9


The seconds time it looks like you managed you get passed the tie-breaker, which I am going to have to recode and add and take away some questions anyhow. The most static functions seemed to have been Ne, Te, Fi, Fe, which looks delta formost, and then I'd say alpha/gamma looks about even with beta lagging behind.

[Kljoki]

I didn't ask any question ;P Statement, whatever.




I don't understand. Why would I ask for concrete evidence that placed me as a Te type? I noticed a trend. Demanding concrete evidence usually indicates a Te type of some sort. Satisfied with that they proceed to dismantle your case based on given evidence. They are excellent in dealing with facts like that. From experience.
One other key factor is the lack of subjectivity in approach. You often have a very subjective approach.
At least I percieve it as such.




Can you explain that? I'd conjecture myself, but I am not sure what "Se" and "Fi" mean to you. Se - one aspect is forcefulness. Fi - one aspect is some sort of moralistic idealism.



So that would make me a ENTp or INTj? Yes. I think you have Ne and Ti. But then again, I could be wrong.

[rmcnew]

Tie breaker Quadra:
Alpha = 26 Beta = 20 Gamma = 22 Delta = 24

Secondary Types: ENTp INTj
Primary Type: ENTp

Confused about why my primary and secondary are both ENTp...

The secondary types are the NT types in Alpha quadra, and it rounds it down to ENTp on account of choosing P (SOCIONIC P, NOT MBTI P) for answers on the J/P questions of the test, which would probably make you an ambivert on EYNSECKS/MBTI/Keirsey scales and an Extrovert on the socionics scale. It is possible to be an introvert in MBTI and an extrovert in socionics on account of socionics holding tighter to Jungian definitions and MBTI being more influenced by Eynseck definitons.

However, I would not totally trust the J/P scale just yet on this test - it is hard to test for J/P in socionics on tests because there are no accurate dictonomies for determining J/P besides constrasting to see if a person uses a judging function over perceiving or vice-versa, and the tests attempts to do that. I think some people are using the J answers indescriminatelly as cop-outs, though.

[Lee]

rmcnew, are you Reuban Mcnew, who wrote this http://www.intuitivecentral.com/forum/showpost.php?p=70100&postcount=56

[booyalab]

Alpha Ne(8) Fe(5) Ti(6) Si(3) 22
Beta Se(3) Fe(5) Ti(6) Ni(6) 20
Gamma Te(6) Ni(6) Se(3) Fi(7) 22
Delta Te(6) Si(3) Ne(8) Fi(7) 24


Type(s): ESTj ENFp INFj ISTp (probably J type)
Secondary Types: ENFp INFj
Primary Type: INFj (!)


that's a new one. I have been feeling moody lately......

[raincrow007]

Quadra: Tied Quadra
Based on prediction only

Alpha Ne(10) Fe(5) Ti(7) Si(1) 23
Beta Se(1) Fe(5) Ti(7) Ni(8) 21
Gamma Te(5) Ni(8) Se(1) Fi(7) 21
Delta Te(5) Si(1) Ne(10) Fi(7) 23


Type(s): EXTX EXFX IXFX IXTX (probably J type)

Tie breaker Quadra:
Alpha = 25 Beta = 21 Gamma = 23 Delta = 23
Secondary Types: ENTp INTj
Primary Type: INTj

:think:

As an artist I found this test to be frustrating. Oftentimes neither response offered was correct. I somehow answered the same question about 4 times, and the tie-breaker was the same pair of options listed twice. And as usual, I find all socionics results to be completely incomprehensible.

[rmcnew]

rmcnew, are you Reuban Mcnew, who wrote this http://www.intuitivecentral.com/forum/showpost.php?p=70100&postcount=56

Yeah, apparently they got that from ENTp.org, which copied it from 16types.info, which copied it from my website @ socion.info . I wrote a good 80 - 90 % of the website, with the exception of a few other people who volunteered to write type descriptions of their actual types.

[Rhu]

Alpha Ne(7) Fe(5) Ti(7) Si(3) 22
.Beta Se(3) Fe(5) Ti(7) Ni(7) 22
Gamma Te(5) Ni(7) Se(3) Fi(7) 22
Delta Te(5) Si(3) Ne(7) Fi(7) 22


Type(s): please consult above chart manually (probably J type)

Tie breaker Quadra:
Alpha = 24 Beta = 22 Gamma = 24 Delta = 22
Secondary Types:
Primary Type:


Additionally, there was a popup window where the test mooned me and called my mother terrible names. I laughed at it and then punched my monitor. This wouldn't have been so bad if I didn't replace my sturdy old CRT with something more fragile.

You'll be hearing from my lawyers.

[sdalek]

Quadra: Tied Quadra
Based on prediction only

Alpha Ne(7) Fe(5) Ti(7) Si(3) 22
Beta Se(3) Fe(5) Ti(7) Ni(7) 22
Gamma Te(5) Ni(7) Se(3) Fi(7) 22
Delta Te(5) Si(3) Ne(7) Fi(7) 22


Type(s): please consult above chart manually (probably P type)

Tie breaker Quadra:
Alpha = 24 Beta = 22 Gamma = 24 Delta = 22
Secondary Types:
Primary Type:

Alpha = ENTp (Ne, Ti) ESFj (Fe, Si) ISFp (Si, Fe) INTj (Ti, Ne)
Beta = ESTp (Se, Ti) ENFj (Fe, Ni) INFp (Ni, Fe) ISTj (Ti, Se)
Gamma = ENTj (Te, Ni) ESFp (Se, Fi) ISFj (Fi, Se) INTp (Ni, Te)
Delta = ESTj (Te, Si) ENFp (Ne, Fi) INFj (Fi, Ne) ISTp (Si, Te)

I haven't the foggiest what to make of this.:think:

[rmcnew]

Additionally, there was a popup window where the test mooned me and called my mother terrible names. I laughed at it and then punched my monitor. This wouldn't have been so bad if I didn't replace my sturdy old CRT with something more fragile.

You'll be hearing from my lawyers.

Woah! I would have liked to have seen that, or not ...

[panda]

Quadra: Tied Quadra
Based on prediction only

Alpha Ne(5) Fe(2) Ti(10) Si(6) 23
Beta Se(6) Fe(2) Ti(10) Ni(3) 21
Gamma Te(8) Ni(3) Se(6) Fi(4) 21
Delta Te(8) Si(6) Ne(5) Fi(4) 23


Type(s): EXTX EXFX IXFX IXTX (probably J type)

Tie breaker Quadra:
Alpha = 25 Beta = 21 Gamma = 23 Delta = 23
Secondary Types: ENTp INTj
Primary Type: INTj

[panda]

rmcnew: I'm currently thinking that I'm a Socionics ENTp.

[rmcnew]

rmcnew: I'm currently thinking that I'm a Socionics ENTp.

You could very well be one or the other ... I am still experiementing with diffrent ways to test for socionics J/P, which is why J and P is a little sporatic on this test.

[mancroft]

Quadra: Alpha
Based on prediction only

Alpha Ne(6) Fe(4) Ti(9) Si(6) 25
Beta Se(4) Fe(4) Ti(9) Ni(4) 21
Gamma Te(9) Ni(4) Se(4) Fi(2) 19
Delta Te(9) Si(6) Ne(6) Fi(2) 23


Type(s): ENTp ESFj ISFp INTj (probably J type)
Secondary Types: ENTp INTj
Primary Type: INTj

I've done the Socionics tests and have come out as INTp before as well as INTP MBTI.

Still a bit confussed.

[rmcnew]

Quadra: Alpha
Based on prediction only

Alpha Ne(6) Fe(4) Ti(9) Si(6) 25
Beta Se(4) Fe(4) Ti(9) Ni(4) 21
Gamma Te(9) Ni(4) Se(4) Fi(2) 19
Delta Te(9) Si(6) Ne(6) Fi(2) 23


Type(s): ENTp ESFj ISFp INTj (probably J type)
Secondary Types: ENTp INTj
Primary Type: INTj

I've done the Socionics tests and have come out as INTp before as well as INTP MBTI.

Still a bit confussed.

You came out INTj because Ti and Si are not common functions for a socionics INTp, and therefore the test finds you closer to the Alpha quadra than the Gamma Quadra.

[waxwing]

Quadra: Tied Quadra
Based on prediction only

Alpha Ne(6) Fe(2) Ti(10) Si(6) 24
Beta Se(4) Fe(2) Ti(10) Ni(4) 20
Gamma Te(8) Ni(4) Se(4) Fi(4) 20
Delta Te(8) Si(6) Ne(6) Fi(4) 24


Type(s): EXTX EXFX IXFX IXTX (probably J type)

Tie breaker Quadra:
Alpha = 26 Beta = 20 Gamma = 22 Delta = 24
Secondary Types: ENTp INTj
Primary Type: INTj

[MySavior]

McNew, McNew, McNew..

Everytime I take one of your damn tests I come out ENTp.

Verdict: needs work.

Quadra: Tied Quadra
Based on prediction only

Alpha
Ne(7)
Fe(6)
Ti(7)
Si(3)
23

Beta
Se(3)
Fe(6)
Ti(7)
Ni(7)
23

Gamma
Te(5)
Ni(7)
Se(3)
Fi(6)
21

Delta
Te(5)
Si(3)
Ne(7)
Fi(6)
21



Type(s): EXTp EXFj IXFp IXTj (probably P type)

Tie breaker Quadra:
Alpha = 25 Beta = 23 Gamma = 23 Delta = 21
Secondary Types: ENTp INTj
Primary Type: ENTp

[waxwing]

I have been thinking since day one of reading your posts, rcmnew: we are quasi-idential partners because I have a hard time discerning anything you write. I think to myself that your thoughts must be valuable because you are obviously intelligent, yet I can't help but find your expression foreign.

About the test: I felt like I was doing Rosetta Stone language practice. Good concept for a test if only I could grasp your underlying framework.

[MySavior]

I have been thinking since day one of reading your posts, rcmnew: we are quasi-idential partners because I have a hard time discerning anything you write. I think to myself that your thoughts must be valuable because you are obviously intelligent, yet I can't help but find your expression foreign.

About the test: I felt like I was doing Rosetta Stone language practice. Good concept for a test if only I could grasp your underlying framework.
ditto.

[KuJo]

Alpha Ne(9) Fe(5) Ti(6) Si(2) 22
Beta Se(2) Fe(5) Ti(6) Ni(7) 20
Gamma Te(6) Ni(7) Se(2) Fi(7) 22
Delta Te(6) Si(2) Ne(9) Fi(7) 24

Type(s): ESTj ENFp INFj ISTp (probably P type)
Secondary Types: ENFp INFj
Primary Type: ENFp

those picture questions ruined it for me. i think in a very quick and random manner, so when i saw the pictures i saw geometric shapes and color with my mind wandering on possiblities. so i may have screwed it up, but whatever.

[attila_the_hunny]

Quadra: Tied Quadra
Based on prediction only

Alpha Ne(7) Fe(6) Ti(7) Si(3) 23
Beta Se(1) Fe(6) Ti(7) Ni(9) 23
Gamma Te(5) Ni(9) Se(1) Fi(6) 21
Delta Te(5) Si(3) Ne(7) Fi(6) 21


Type(s): EXTp EXFj IXFp IXTj (probably P type)

Tie breaker Quadra:
Alpha = 25 Beta = 23 Gamma = 23 Delta = 21
Secondary Types: ENTp INTj
Primary Type: ENTp