Incorrect Combinations ?

[Xander]

Why can't I be a 9w6?
Why can't a person who tested as 5 firstly 9 secondly and 6 thirdly be a 5w9?
:huh:

It seems like the system and the test were devised at two different points. If not then why come up with a system that can produce answers which the theories themselves, on which the system and therefore test are based, say are wrong?

:think:

[outmywindow]

'Cause.

[Xander]

'Cause.
You practicing for your first?
It's so sweet :D

[outmywindow]

You practicing for your first?
It's so sweet :D

Uhh, my first what? :wtf:

[Ka.avik]

If you think about it, there should be five types you automatically associate with: your "true" type, the two to either side, your integration, and your disintegration points.

But, nine & six are weird in that to everyone who isn't one, they just look like types you'd assign to people with no personality: nine's are the functional sort, and sixes, less so.

Not sure about 9w6. That shouldn't fly, no :P

edit: I don't identify with type eight. at all.
That doesn't mean there isn't usefulness in the theory -- everytime I've had to pull myself out of a hole of self-pity, in retrospect, it was by pulling to eight: "I have what I have; I know what I know ... what remains is to implement it"

[Wiki]

Let the man be a 9w6 if he wants! Its all theory anyway.

I think a nine has the potentiality to move between 3, 6, and 9 very naturally.

Nine is often a last stop. You have to become accepting, tolerant, acquire some patience, open minded, almost non-offendable. You may detatch yourself from your ego, your job, your possessions. A nine identifies with none of those things, he or she just is and enjoys the journey.

Herein lies the problem of apathy and sloth creeping in. A nine is not trying to control anything or anyone and therefore may quite willingly sacrifiice a little self control, and discipline for the sake of having fun.

Nines boring? We are very passionate, we have just learned it does not pay to digress. We do not concern ourselves with things that are out of our control. We are inclined to peace not war. It doesnt mean we cant get angry or kick some ass if cornered.

You can tell me Im wrong, Im too passive to care, just dont leave me no way out of the room or I digress.

I feel like I've been all the numbers except maybe 8, at some point in my life.

[Shimpei]

Herein lies the problem of apathy and sloth creeping in.

probably that's why 9s need enthusiastic types for friends and/or mates - to not fall into complete apathy or sloth. We have problems of low self-motivation anyway.

[Xander]

Uhh, my first what? :wtf:
Sounded like you were reciting a saying put to you by your parents.

Junior "But whyyyy?????"
Senior "Cause"

[Xander]

If you think about it, there should be five types you automatically associate with: your "true" type, the two to either side, your integration, and your disintegration points.

But, nine & six are weird in that to everyone who isn't one, they just look like types you'd assign to people with no personality: nine's are the functional sort, and sixes, less so.

Not sure about 9w6. That shouldn't fly, no :P

edit: I don't identify with type eight. at all.
That doesn't mean there isn't usefulness in the theory -- everytime I've had to pull myself out of a hole of self-pity, in retrospect, it was by pulling to eight: "I have what I have; I know what I know ... what remains is to implement it"
Yeah it's been pointed out to me that the system operates on you being more than one type in total. I'm gonna have to swot up on this aren't I :(

[Xander]

Let the man be a 9w6 if he wants! Its all theory anyway.

I think a nine has the potentiality to move between 3, 6, and 9 very naturally.

Nine is often a last stop. You have to become accepting, tolerant, acquire some patience, open minded, almost non-offendable. You may detatch yourself from your ego, your job, your possessions. A nine identifies with none of those things, he or she just is and enjoys the journey.

Herein lies the problem of apathy and sloth creeping in. A nine is not trying to control anything or anyone and therefore may quite willingly sacrifiice a little self control, and discipline for the sake of having fun.

Nines boring? We are very passionate, we have just learned it does not pay to digress. We do not concern ourselves with things that are out of our control. We are inclined to peace not war. It doesnt mean we cant get angry or kick some ass if cornered.

You can tell me Im wrong, Im too passive to care, just dont leave me no way out of the room or I digress.

I feel like I've been all the numbers except maybe 8, at some point in my life.
I have still to meet another combative 9 though.

Good points Wiki. I find that peaceful people are often underestimated. People forget the theory that those with power have little need or reason to prove it. Of course conversely just because you do prove it does not mean that you have less.

This must be why I don't vote. I can never make one side sound better than the other. Nuts.

[zhang_bob]

I have still to meet another combative 9 though.
:wave:

[Xander]

:wave:
No way!!!!
OMG!

Errm you sure it's right? Man and I thought I was well trained in martial conversations :D

Okay I never saw that one coming.

We should team up on them :devil:

[zhang_bob]

No way!!!!
OMG!:)



Errm you sure it's right? Man and I thought I was well trained in martial conversations :D This is why I don`t believe enneagrams.

I always come up as a 9 but this does not sound like me at all "They fear the conflict caused by their ability to simultaneously understand opposing points of view and seek peace of mind above all else."


Okay I never saw that one coming.I do not fear conflict, I am just a relaxed laid-back sort of person. It is hard for people to make me very angry.


We should team up on them :devil::)

[INTrPosr]

Why can't I be a 9w6?Do you have a theory that you would like to throw at us, which backs your inquiry?

Why can't a person who tested as 5 firstly 9 secondly and 6 thirdly be a 5w9?The E5 and E6 are both similar in that they are in the thinking triad. The E6 integrates to E9 and may show healthy tendencies of that type.

[Xander]

Do you have a theory that you would like to throw at us, which backs your inquiry?
I merely wonder at why the connections between the 9 types are so strictly defined. It seems plausible if not probable that many people would not conform to such tight definitions though I admit that it may just be in the way it is laid out.

Perhaps if the theory was origionaly built around the three sections then the possibility for a person to cross these boundaries in their "normal" state has not occured?
(Unlikely but still)

[CosmicDust]

I don't even think that wings are meant to be understood as any kind of "second string" in your personality, although it isn't necessarily unusual for someone to display many traits of their wing any more than it's unusual to display many traits of some type other than their wing, even one that they don't have a connection to.

Wings, as I see it, are best understood as more like splitting the main type into two separate types that have some similar underlying deep issues but almost equally deep differences in how those issues play out. A 9w8 would be a more earthy and loose sort of 9 and a 9w1 a more airy and restrained sort of 9, but both could be, say, more 4-like than they are 8-like or 1-like respectively.

So instead of thinking "9w1" and thinking you should be more 1-ish when you're really more 6-ish and the system's broken, you can think of it as more like "Type 18 with a lot of features of Type 11 and/or 12."

As for the linear relationships between the types...as far as I can tell they're just theory. It's not true that you will necessarily show more features of types you're linearly connected to than types you are not. However, 3s (5 and 6 in the 18-type system), 6s (11 and 12), and 9s (17 and 18) are known to frequently show a lot of features of their integration/disintegration lines.

[Wiki]

:)


This is why I don`t believe enneagrams.

I always come up as a 9 but this does not sound like me at all "They fear the conflict caused by their ability to simultaneously understand opposing points of view and seek peace of mind above all else."

I do not fear conflict, I am just a relaxed laid-back sort of person. It is hard for people to make me very angry.

:)

I think fear is a bad word, I would rather see evade, as wee really dont care if you stick to your ignorant point of view after we have informed you once, as your ignorance it is better than you actually adopting our point of view and claiming it was yours to begin with at a later date. We would rather see you fall on your ass and then think 'I told you so, dumb ass' quietly.

On the other hand by the remote chance that someone succeeds in making me angry, I've been told I get scary, even by very large people quite capable of crushing me. But this is so very rare.

People who play devil's advocate constantly regardless of their belief in that viewpoint, are a royal pain in the ass, and I eventually avoid them like the plague.


probably that's why 9s need enthusiastic types for friends and/or mates - to not fall into complete apathy or sloth. We have problems of low self-motivation anyway.

I agree. Analysis paralysis and all, but once we gain momentum backed with passion we are very convincing. Setbacks are motivational killers and this is where I believe most INTP's may decide to shift focus, whether temporary or permanent shifts.

[Xander]

I don't even think that wings are meant to be understood as any kind of "second string" in your personality, although it isn't necessarily unusual for someone to display many traits of their wing any more than it's unusual to display many traits of some type other than their wing, even one that they don't have a connection to.

Wings, as I see it, are best understood as more like splitting the main type into two separate types that have some similar underlying deep issues but almost equally deep differences in how those issues play out. A 9w8 would be a more earthy and loose sort of 9 and a 9w1 a more airy and restrained sort of 9, but both could be, say, more 4-like than they are 8-like or 1-like respectively.

So instead of thinking "9w1" and thinking you should be more 1-ish when you're really more 6-ish and the system's broken, you can think of it as more like "Type 18 with a lot of features of Type 11 and/or 12."

As for the linear relationships between the types...as far as I can tell they're just theory. It's not true that you will necessarily show more features of types you're linearly connected to than types you are not. However, 3s (5 and 6 in the 18-type system), 6s (11 and 12), and 9s (17 and 18) are known to frequently show a lot of features of their integration/disintegration lines.
18 type system?

I need to start a thread on which systems are regarded as the most useful and go look at them. This is getting confusing.

[Xander]

Analysis paralysis and all, but once we gain momentum backed with passion we are very convincing. Setbacks are motivational killers and this is where I believe most INTP's may decide to shift focus, whether temporary of permanent shifts.
I think this is very true but also the INTP bit (I only mention this one cause it's the only one I know about) of lacking motivation unless it is an area of interest. If I'm interested in an area and conflict or disagreement starts up then I can work for weeks at trying to resolve the issues and get to a well balanced end view point.

I guess this is where this little lot started off :D

[Justin05]

I have often wondered why I can't be a 5x4x9.