MBTI types of fictional characters

[Napoleon]

I would like to know some movie's where INTP personalty's play in. For the simple reason that i want to know how somebody else sees me.

The first movie i thought about was lost in translation.I read on this forum that the girl is INTP, i think thats correct but what about Bob. I loved the character of Bob :)

Any other movies where you can realy see intp's at work?

Thx

[Napoleon]

What about Donnie in the movie Donnie Darko?
Leon in the movie The professional:Leon?
Andy Dufresne in the shawshank redemption?
Jim cary in Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind?
Lester Burnham in american beaty?
doc in Back to the Future?
Indiana jones?
Gandalf in lotr?

[INTrPosr]

Leon in the movie The professional:Leon?
Ummm..... maybe. He appeared unread and bit primal. I would say ISTP.


Andy Dufresne in the shawshank redemption?
Since he was a bookkeeper before going to prison and was so meticulous in his escape, I would say ISTJ.


doc in Back to the Future?
Possibly, however, ENTP could not be ruled out.


Indiana jones?
Bingo! I always thought that the character was INTP.

[CeSoirNoir]

From Lost IN Translation, Charlotte, she reminds me a lot of myself, and seems very INTP like...is this a fact that she's an INTP?

[int]

Well, considering she's a fictional character, I don't think it's necessarily a fact she's an INTP. But yes, I related to her as well.

[t]

From Lost IN Translation, Charlotte, she reminds me a lot of myself, and seems very INTP like...is this a fact that she's an INTP?

i found i related to her as well.

[Boneca]

Gandalf in lotr?
Gandalf is usually listed as INTJ on MBTI pages, I think.

[Niflheimian]

At first I saw this thread and thought, "Movie's what? Of what does this particular movie have ownership?" Then I noticed it was an attempt at pluralization...

Anyhow, MacGyver (from that 80's show) seems like an INTP, but perhaps he's "just" an ISTP.

How is Gandalf an INTJ?

[Niflheimian]

I read on this forum that the girl is INTP, i think thats correct but what about Bob. I loved the character of Bob :)

There's another movie with Bill Murray called What About Bob (which you said, but weren't referring to the movie). That movie was great.

[Vagabond]

How is Gandalf an INTJ? He never procrastinates and he always finishes what he started. http://www.intpcentral.com/forums/images/smilies/ninja.gif

[Network Alchemy]

i imagine many types would appear the same over time when the fate of masses is at stake and so the best way to discern would be to analyze comportment in particle instants

[Niflheimian]

He never procrastinates and he always finishes what he started. http://www.intpcentral.com/forums/images/smilies/ninja.gif

Those also sound like ISTJ charactersitics; I've never been sure if he's more of an ISTJ or INTJ. :)

[Vagabond]

Oh come on. Gandalf a Sensor?! His eyes are way too much in the future in my opinion. But well, I haven't hang around him much... you could be right... :)

[xavierd]

Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind was an excellent movie. I can relate to Carey's character.

[hemanthraz]

hey me too.I saw it with my friends and most of them thought that the character was a loser who was unsure of what he wanted.But i could relate so well to him.I constantly do that too.

Another likely character is elisabeth shue in "The Saint", seems very intp to me.

[adamaw11]

What about Donnie in the movie Donnie Darko?

Yeah Donnie Darko, very much so I think.

I think I've heard that a lot of manga/anime cartoons have clear personality types, but you probably wanna stick to 'proper' movies yes?

"Initial D" is a Car-related Anime one where the main character is pretty well presented as INTP (but then maybe there's not much to distinguish the T, so I suppose INFP could be a possibility aswell.)

[candela]

There's no way Indiana Jones is an INTP. He gets way too involved. I don't think that's very characteristic of INTPs. Though he does avoid the large mob of students in that one movie. He seems more just like an unrealistic personality.

[Google Monster]

Involvement is possible if that the subject is of high interest. Afterall movies highlight the important things the charactors do within the time frame of the story.

[Slider]

harold ramis in Stripes maybe
harold ramis in Ghostbusters deffo

[INTrPosr]

harold ramis in Stripes maybe
harold ramis in Ghostbusters deffo
Ummm.... I think Egan was INTJ.

[INTrPosr]

There's no way Indiana Jones is an INTP. He gets way too involved. I don't think that's very characteristic of INTPs. Though he does avoid the large mob of students in that one movie. He seems more just like an unrealistic personality.
Involvement is possible if that the subject is of high interest. Afterall movies highlight the important things the charactors do within the time frame of the story.I agree with Odd One.

[Slider]

Ummm.... I think Egan was INTJ.

nah, I don't think so. he wasn't forceful at all. and he was very open to the possibilities of supernatural stuff. but you can think wotever.

indiana jones seems to be an intp who very often mutates into an entp. sure he 'gets involved' but he just as often works for himself, selling relics to the highest bidder. in any case, he's much cooler than james bond could ever hope to be.

[indie]

Quote:
doc in Back to the Future?

Possibly, however, ENTP could not be ruled out.
* * *

I would disagree. . . remember in the first one where Marty knocks on his door and he has the chain fastened, and he peeks out seemingly upset at being disturbed? That seems pretty "I" IMO. :)

[Napoleon]

It seems that is very hard to past a type to actors in movie's.

[Niflheimian]

I've always thought Grissom from CSI:Las Vegas was an INTP.

[INTrPosr]

I've always thought Grissom from CSI:Las Vegas was an INTP.
Ugghhhh..... he seems so anal.

[SheepDog]

I think it would be interesting if there was a movie that cast characters by their MBTI type instead of by the traditionally stereotypical roles.

[Chill]

What about Treebeard from LotR?

[indie]

Sara (Jorja Fox) in CSI is also a strong possible (female) INTP or INTJ.

[prometheusdestroyed]

I watched csi for a while and was an admirer of Sara if that indicates anything. Not very fond of Grissom. Seemed a bit of a smug bugger to me

[Boneca]

What about Treebeard from LotR?
Tree-hugger = NF :D
But all ents are extremely P, so you can't really apply the types to them.

[Birdsnest]

How about Bill Nye, or Alton Brown, they could be INTP?http://store.foodnetwork.com/estore_assets/images/shop/product/BKS5139_s.jpg

He uses all kinds of unorthodox experiments to cook food with.

http://www.npr.org/programs/atc/features/2002/june/cookout/



http://images.egullet.com/u2/i7361.jpg

[INTrPosr]

I watched Spiderman 2 a couple of times, on DVD. I could really relate to what Peter Parker was going through. Do you think he is INTP?

[officebum1978]

All the outcasts and nerdy characters you see in American Highschool films.

[Edmond Zedo]

I posted about Stephen Maturin from Master & Commander recently. Run a search. So far, in the books, you get to know him a lot better.

[Valtro434]

I think The Doc from back to the future was definately ENTP - saying he was I because he did not like to be disturbed completely misses the point. ENTPs when we are focused on our inventioneering most definately do NOT like to be disturbed - ask my wife ;)

Also, Grissom from CSI - I also think he is ENTP - he likes to mess with people too much and is direct and even confrontational at times. He throws out his musings like many ENTPs like to - partly because we cant help it and partly because we like to see how people react.

ENTPs have a very focused, comtemplative side that should not be overlooked.

[Valtro434]

My brother and I both independently decided that Chloe from "24" is definately an INTP.

I am going to start a 24 thread to discuss that.

[shaytana]

I think it would be interesting if there was a movie that cast characters by their MBTI type instead of by the traditionally stereotypical roles.

I think it would be interesting to cast survivor using the MBTI types, 16 types/survivors, who would win?

[glassmoon]

nah, I don't think so. he wasn't forceful at all. and he was very open to the possibilities of supernatural stuff. but you can think wotever.

indiana jones seems to be an intp who very often mutates into an entp. sure he 'gets involved' but he just as often works for himself, selling relics to the highest bidder. in any case, he's much cooler than james bond could ever hope to be.
Indiana Jones acts motsly I, but can he be INTj?
hmmm... is James Bond ISTj? He's certainly xSxj and either E or expressive I.

[MonChat]

yeah.. I always saw Doc as more of the ENTP.. my opinion may be biased due to the fact that I read somewhere that ENTP's are "inventors." For some reason I always have this impression that ENTP's have a lot more 'visible energy' than INTP's in social situations. Docs excitement certainly seems turned to 'the outside world'.. but its hard to say since we mainly see his interaction with Marty. In the third movie though he seems pretty social in the old west--he seems to have made his connections and become involved in the 'social life' there to some extent.

[Valtro434]

Well, just as INTPs are not ALWAYS in their own world, we are also not ALWAYS outgoing and "switched on".

I interviewed a guy the other day and I was so intent on listening and analysing his bodylanguage and communication style, that I was very quiet and reserved.

Just as INTPs have a chameleon quality, so do we have a similar ability - in uncertain situations, we will often enter a highly tuned data collection mode where we take it all in, analyze and then decide how to procede. It depends on the stakes - sometimes we will just blaze in to see whats up, but when the stakes are high, we take cover and strategize.

[Shai Gar]

the phantom from the phantom of the opera HAS to be INTP, it is like he is the darker side of the intp spectrum with peterparker at the lighter side

[Warrior413]

I think it would be interesting to cast survivor using the MBTI types, 16 types/survivors, who would win?
That's a good idea. 8 of them would be kicked off pretty quickly however. Or something like that, I've never actually watched it.

[Warrior413]

I just have to say... somehow Peter Parker really pisses me off. I can't identify with him at all.

[Shai Gar]

the thing that pisses you off about him is his voice and his dogooder attitude

[glassmoon]

yeah.. I always saw Doc as more of the ENTP.. my opinion may be biased due to the fact that I read somewhere that ENTP's are "inventors." For some reason I always have this impression that ENTP's have a lot more 'visible energy' than INTP's in social situations. Docs excitement certainly seems turned to 'the outside world'.. but its hard to say since we mainly see his interaction with Marty. In the third movie though he seems pretty social in the old west--he seems to have made his connections and become involved in the 'social life' there to some extent.
Iv read somewhere that Leonardo da Vinci was ENTp- the definite Inventor, and 'Doc' can easily be compared to him. The first movie starts in his house/lab and it is stacked with inventions of all sorts. But I think the maker of the movie made him also a bit A. Einstein like, at least outwardly with the messy hair...

[Warrior413]

the thing that pisses you off about him is his voice and his dogooder attitude
Probably. I think it's possible he's an INTP... I just don't like him.

[Crazy]

What about John Nash from A Beautiful Mind?

[glassmoon]

What about John Nash from A Beautiful Mind?
A mathematician, likely an INTp...

[Edmond Zedo]

I've only seen Survivor like four times, all first season, but I seriously thought they might have done that. It's possible. I think the winner, Richard, was ENTJ. No surprise there. The ESFP, Jenna, was cute as hell of course.

[Elro]

A mathematician, likely an INTp...

It's been a (long) while, but don't you think John Nash, at least as portrayed in A Beautiful Mind, was an INTJ? I don't remember much procrastination, he seemed devoted to a particular cause, and motivated. Ambitious. I see the INT, and there is the tendency to think mathematician=INTP, but INTJ seems to fit better. But considering he's a schizo, who knows?

Also, as a side note, it does seem we are apt to jump to conclusions in favor of characters being INTPs, perhaps due to wishful thinking. For example, Spiderman, from the movies alone, doesn't at all strike me as an INTP. :huh:

[Shai Gar]

HAH, strikes me as extremely intp, scientific, very secretive, unsociable, uncaring, hell he might even be infp

[DevNull]

My humble contributions:

"Mad" Max Rockatansky
Silent Bob
Zero Cool/Crash Override - DUH!!!!
Finch from American Pie
Hardware from Meatballs

Did anyone mention the Lone Gunmen from the X-Files yet? Were they even in the X-Files movie?

[glassmoon]

Oh I read in a website that George Costanza is INTp...
His feeling side is definitly the weakest...

Prof. Frink can be INTp or at least INTj/ENTp...

[Elro]

HAH, strikes me as extremely intp, scientific, very secretive, unsociable, uncaring, hell he might even be infp

Who, Spiderman? I considered INFP, but I think INFJ. It's possible he's INTP.. It's possible also that he's just a combination of types. Fiction can be unreliable with MBTI. Not everyone makes a character based on a real person. The director might have just said, "Okay, he's a nerd normally, and a superhero secretly." The whole point being that he's a paradox. He behaves like different types depending on which mode he's in.

Actually, that is chameleon-like... But there's no one to imitate. I refuse to see it. ;P

[Edmond Zedo]

My humble contributions:

"Mad" Max Rockatansky
Silent Bob
Zero Cool/Crash Override - DUH!!!!
Finch from American Pie
Hardware from Meatballs

Did anyone mention the Lone Gunmen from the X-Files yet? Were they even in the X-Files movie?

I agree with you about Dade Murphy, and don't know who Hardware is, but the others...

Max "strikes" me as INFP a la Luke Skywalker
Bob "hits" me as ISTP
Finch..."Definitely could be!"

[Warrior413]

For example, Spiderman, from the movies alone, doesn't at all strike me as an INTP. :huh:
Good. I was thinking it over while playing Halo and I'd say he's probably an INFP. Possibly an INFJ but I kinda stopped caring around then.

[DevNull]

Max "strikes" me as INFP a la Luke Skywalker
Bob "hits" me as ISTP


Mad Max lost his family and his world, plus his character had three movies to evolve, or rather mutate through, so I guess it is almost moot to attempt to type him after such a beating, BUT... He ain't no Skywalker. Obviously an I from the getgo, and flawlessly throughout I might add. I question the NF as he is quite the "crafty fellow" according to me and Bruce Spence. The man barely had one emotional reaction throughout the saga. His actions were based on cold revenge and some sort of grudge, yes, but he did not obsess enough to let it get in the way of his survival. Awesome T overrode his taste of F every time during the whole six hours of Maxdom.

Silent Bob is tough to fully type because he didn't say much. According to most type blurbs on the net, ISTPs gravitate to dangerous pasttimes. I guess hanging with Jay is exciting and dangerous especially after four movies of it.

I am beginning to see that many movie characters may possibly be too obvious of a composite of types that almost cannot exist in real life, thus maybe that is their lure. I know typing is not anywhere near infallible, but it does stand to reason that there may be some highly impossible temperment crossover scenarios that will never exist. For instance, an INTP Army General or an ESFJ computer programmer. Heck, it may well be worth it for me to go look for some character goof-ups of this nature. I think that will be fun.

[Valtro434]

Many superheroes and mythical figures can be seen operating in multiple modes.

Think how incredibly powerful we would be if we could switch to SJ mode to clean the house, NT mode at work, SF mode to deal with our small children, P when things are hectic and J when we need to get organized, etc.

If you could do that perfectly and fluidly, you could accomplish anything without x-ray vision or the ability to fly or shoot silly-string out of your apendages, etc.

[joft]

I think Gandalf is very likely INTP. The movies are most likely the more recent portrayal of him in most people's memory right now, but in the books it showed a lot more time of him doing things alone (in the movie you see him being the life of a party with fireworks and that looks kind of E, but he really never reveals much about himself ever). In the movie you also see him leading the fellowship around and that looks kind of J, but remember how much he mulled over and researched whether Bilbo's ring could be "The One"?

I think he's obviously a very strong character capable of positioning himself in diffferent areas on the spectrum to accomplish different goals (chameleon anyone?). But it comes down to whether he is more perceiving or more judging, and I would have to say that he's DEFINITELY perceiving. In the books there were so many times he pondered alternatives to everything and second-guessed himself. You can see it somewhat in the movies.

I also think that his ability to take initiative and lead and make decisions doesn't have anything to do with J, but rather his ability to extrovert. He knows that he has so much knowledge and only he can take the responsibility to do some leading, so he quickly extroverts his thinking into words and orders, and INTP's are capable of very logically organized and specifically strategic thought.

[Valtro434]

Keirsey does an interesting job of describing not only the inteligences of the 4 arch types, but of each sub type and then he seems to draw a graph to say that each NT also has access to the abstract function of the other NT types (ie: "inventing", "architecting", etc).

It can be very difficult for people who really are into "types" to differentiate subtypes - part of the problem is that we often only know people in certain environments where they tend to "adjust" their preferences at least a little.

So perhaps in the case of Gandalf and many others, the writes is writing them more as an archetype than as a specific type. Gandalf has many NT qualities, but in any given scene, you could make the case for one type, like INTP, but in other places, he seems to rally people (the ENTPs charisma?) and even direct them like an ENTJ "Field Marhsall".

The iNtuitive Thinking is always in evidence, but the other preferences do not seem to be so nailed down. Perhaps the writer is drawing on his experiences with several people with similar attributes, but different ways of expressing those. Hard to say.

[Shai Gar]

perhaps the writer (and i have this on the greatest authority) wrote the books as a linquistic feat to show how languages are affected by environs and vice versa. (he said that in his letters)

[glassmoon]

...
I am beginning to see that many movie characters may possibly be too obvious of a composite of types that almost cannot exist in real life, thus maybe that is their lure
...I agree. Movies (usually hollywoodic ones) try to hit the broadest spectrum of emotions and situations people would identify with, thus they tend to oversimplify the charecters in them. Nevertheless they are built around known stereotypes.

[Shai Gar]

yes, jungs archetypes of the innocent through to the wanderer, wizard, orphan and others

[MonChat]

Just as INTPs have a chameleon quality, so do we have a similar ability - in uncertain situations, we will often enter a highly tuned data collection mode where we take it all in, analyze and then decide how to procede. It depends on the stakes - sometimes we will just blaze in to see whats up, but when the stakes are high, we take cover and strategize.


Could you please expand on this 'chameleon quality'. I've never heard this attributed to INTP's before 'officially'. It's wierd because I've been called a chameleon before by several people and been taken aback by their comment. I think I should probably pursue this idea further.. any suggestions?

[joft]

I won't stop arguing that Gandalf is an INTP! I think personality-wise he was quite realistic and not smattered all over the spectrum. He was only "outgoing" when he was obligated to, and never any more than was absolutely needed.

He questioned himself so much, I think there's absolutely no way you could say that he was Judging; at least not until after he became Gandalf the White. Even then, I think the only transformation was that he had more power and knowledge, but still the same personality under it.

[jyakulis]

Iv read somewhere that Leonardo da Vinci was ENTp- the definite Inventor, and 'Doc' can easily be compared to him. The first movie starts in his house/lab and it is stacked with inventions of all sorts. But I think the maker of the movie made him also a bit A. Einstein like, at least outwardly with the messy hair...


he did name his dog after einstein

[Edmond Zedo]

BUT... He ain't no Skywalker. Obviously an I from the getgo, and flawlessly throughout I might add. I question the NF as he is quite the "crafty fellow" according to me and Bruce Spence. The man barely had one emotional reaction throughout the saga. His actions were based on cold revenge and some sort of grudge, yes, but he did not obsess enough to let it get in the way of his survival. Awesome T overrode his taste of F every time during the whole six hours of Maxdom.
Forgive me, I was only considering "Mad Max" when considering Max. I like it enough that I usually pretend the other two movies don't exist....And considering it further, you could be more right, as an INFP going after and murdering criminals is far fetched. Plus, I identify with him in most ways. It will be odd watching it again thinking of him as possibly INTP.

Bob though? I really doubt it.

[MasterMerk]

Who, Spiderman? I considered INFP, but I think INFJ. It's possible he's INTP.. It's possible also that he's just a combination of types. Fiction can be unreliable with MBTI. Not everyone makes a character based on a real person. The director might have just said, "Okay, he's a nerd normally, and a superhero secretly." The whole point being that he's a paradox. He behaves like different types depending on which mode he's in.

Actually, that is chameleon-like... But there's no one to imitate. I refuse to see it. ;P

Spiderman ain't INTP. He's way too Fi over Ti, I think he's INFP.

At least in the films. Just watch Spiderman 2 with all the emphasis on Peter Parkers responsibility in fighting evil, with the longing for something more in his relationship with MJ. Totally Fi stuff.

[Elro]

Spiderman ain't INTP. He's way too Fi over Ti, I think he's INFP.

At least in the films. Just watch Spiderman 2 with all the emphasis on Peter Parkers responsibility in fighting evil, with the longing for something more in his relationship with MJ. Totally Fi stuff.

Yeah, I was thinking about it more yesterday, and I agree. INFP sounds most accurate, if any one type fits him.

As for other INTP characters in movies, what about Jeff Goldblum's character in Independence Day? (Been a long time since I've seen that, just speculating.)

[Xenophon]

The Dude!

[MjrMarshmellows]

how about DR. GAIUS BALTAR from battlestar gallactica(entp?). (remake) and maybe Billy Keikeya.(intj?) (just speculating) (also from battlestar gallactica)

Also, I don't think I would consider james bond a J he seems WAY to spontanious...(just my oppinion(take it as you like,(im not too much of a bond fan)))

[INTrPosr]

I would argue that Peter Parker wouldn't be an INTP, because he is so dedicated to helping people. I'm not saying that INTP's don't like helping people, but we tend to be a little more reserved when it comes to that. He may have an F.
Not all INTPs.

[INTrPosr]

Spiderman ain't INTP. He's way too Fi over Ti, I think he's INFP.
Well, considering that we do use all eight preferences, and that the INTP preferences, per Lenore Thomson goes like Ti, Ne, Fi, Se...... then it is possible that Peter Parker is INTP. Fi ranks higher for INTP than for INTJ, whereas Fe ranks higher for INTJ than for INTPs. We limit our appreciation for type when only considering the four designated type functions.

[INTrPosr]

Could you please expand on this 'chameleon quality'. I've never heard this attributed to INTP's before 'officially'. It's wierd because I've been called a chameleon before by several people and been taken aback by their comment. I think I should probably pursue this idea further.. any suggestions?I think that they are alluding to Paul James' (http://intp.org/intprofile.html), wherein he says,

Friendship with INTPs develops at a pace which depends considerably on the temperament of the other person. INTPs dislike making the first move and tend to mirror the emotional content of the other person. A jolly person will quickly bring the INTP out of his shell, as much as that is possible, while a serious person will find a serious INTP looking back at him. In this sense, INTPs preference for intuitive perception (rather than action) with respect to people results in them resembling a chameleon. The INTP can fit into many different modes of behaviour, even contradictory ones, in order to get into the mindset of the other person. The goal is to gain enough intuitive data to analyse and assess the person. In doing this, the INTP remains somewhat reserved, never wholly identifying himself with his surroundings. As chameleons, INTPs are therefore approachable and open, unless the Ne tells the INTP that the other person is a type he doesn't like, in which case the reserved attitude may become too obvious. The chameleon behaviour can be particularly strong when discussing something. The INTP may even argue something that he doesn't really believe himself. Sometimes it is for the intellectual stimulation that comes with the challenge of arguing from a variety of standpoints. Otherwise, it may be to avoid early conflict before the situation has been fully assessed. Chameleons hide their true selves. INTPs do not do this cynically, or indeed all the time, but it is a result of the strong desire to remain detached and observe.

[Polystom]

How about Hugh Jackman's Stan from Swordfish? I thought he was a rather interesting case.

[Kouldhpoeppre]

Well, considering that we do use all eight preferences, and that the INTP preferences, per Lenore Thomson goes like Ti, Ne, Fi, Se...... then it is possible that Peter Parker is INTP. Fi ranks higher for INTP than for INTJ, whereas Fe ranks higher for INTJ than for INTPs. We limit our appreciation for type when only considering the four designated type functions.

The INTP preferences are Ti, Ne, Si, Fe. In Lenore Thomson's Personality Type, she states this quite explicitly on page 311. INTJ preferences are Ni, Te, Fi, Se (p. 80). Is not Fi then higher for INTJs than INTPs? Either the preferences you listed or wrong or I'm missing something. Please clarify.

(The spelling of this thread's title is shot; is there a way to change it?)

[Edmond Zedo]

The INTP preferences are Ti, Ne, Si, Fe. In Lenore Thomson's Personality Type, she states this quite explicitly on page 311. INTJ preferences are Ni, Te, Fi, Se (p. 80). Is not Fi then higher for INTJs than INTPs? Either the preferences you listed or wrong or I'm missing something. Please clarify.

(The spelling of this thread's title is shot; is there a way to change it?)
Func. Analysis just isn't as solid as splitting people into 16 types and talking about them. Diff. schools disagree on who has which. That being said, If you have Fe, your F is e, and you don't have Fi. And you're still INTJ.

[Kouldhpoeppre]

Everything on function analysis I've seen agrees with what I posted earlier. Do you have any sources with information that differs? The only reason I cited Thomson's book was because what it said was contradictory to what INTrPosr said, and he quoted her book.
"That being said, If you have Fe, your F is e, and you don't have Fi."
I don't know why you included that; I knew that already.

[Elro]

If you have Fe, your F is e, and you don't have Fi.

You sure? I thought that each type had all 8 functions. It's just that the first four are the most predominant.. So for an INTP (according to MBTI, anyway), the preferences are: Ti Ne Si Fe (Te Ni Se Fi).

I find it very hard to believe, for example, that INTPs are incapable of Te. Fi may be incredibly rare for us, but it's possible.

Looking it up. :huh:

[Edmond Zedo]

You sure? I thought that each type had all 8 functions. It's just that the first four are the most predominant.. So for an INTP (according to MBTI, anyway), the preferences are: Ti Ne Si Fe (Te Ni Se Fi).

I find it very hard to believe, for example, that INTPs are incapable of Te. Fi may be incredibly rare for us, but it's possible.

Looking it up. :huh:
Yeah, I'm sure. Jung was primarily concerned with the primary function. I don't believe he even bothered with the fourth.

[Edmond Zedo]

Everything on function analysis I've seen agrees with what I posted earlier. Do you have any sources with information that differs? The only reason I cited Thomson's book was because what it said was contradictory to what INTrPosr said, and he quoted her book.
"That being said, If you have Fe, your F is e, and you don't have Fi."
I don't know why you included that; I knew that already.
Socionics has functions flipped for INTj and INTp, but the types don't directly coincide with MBTI (I'm a lot more Socionics INTj than MBTI INTJ using descriptions, but can pin it down to INTp by other means within socionics). And it appeared above that someone said we have Fi. Since socionics types are derived from Jung's it makes sense that I'm a bit of a split between his Introverted Thinking and Introverted Intuiting as well.

I said you're INTJ because iirc you said you were unsure in your intro post.

[Kouldhpoeppre]

That makes sense. I guess you aren't the idiot I thought you were. :devil:

Your use of acronyms is amusing. iirc is "if I recall correctly," right?

[Edmond Zedo]

That makes sense. I guess you aren't the idiot I thought you were. :devil:

Your use of acronyms is amusing. iirc is "if I recall correctly," right?
You guessed rightly.

No, it's "If I remember correctly."

[Mr. Beef]

Actually, it's either. It's just that "I remember correctly" is more customary than "I recall correctly".






:)

[Mr. Beef]

that being said....i'm not defending the other guy
:)

[nihilist]

Oh I read in a website that George Costanza is INTp...
His feeling side is definitly the weakest...

George Costanza struck me as an ISTP perpetuating spectacularly unsuccessful attempts towards hedonistic glory. Needless to say, I have always identified with that character on so many levels except for being so readily transparent. Oh, the self-perceived misery!

Lindsey Weir from the tv show, Freaks and Geeks came off as an INTP. Unlike most depictions of nerds in popular culture, her character was drawn out with several layers to delve into the psyche of a late teen. She was a precocious high school junior/senior who was critical towards the benefits, if any, of suburban life, school, and future academia, seeing as how it was a mind prison and only served to generate conformity. Besides that, she was always uncertain about where life was heading.

[Snowflake]

She was a precocious high school junior/senior who was critical towards the benefits, if any, of suburban life, school, and future academia, seeing as how it was a mind prison and only served to generate conformity. Besides that, she was always uncertain about where life was heading.

But it's true!!

[MaroonBells]

the main character from Pi seems sufficiently warped in his own scheme which never sees the actual daylight ..

[mjolinar]

Not a movie, but if anyone has seen the t.v. show stargate sg1, Daniel Jackson strikes me as an intp, maybe. also, on stargate atlantis, rodney mccay might be.. probably intj though

[Mr. Beef]

http://noerf.com/irk/MBTIsw.htm

this is a fairly accurate diagnosis of sw characters. I'll try to find one on st.

[Conan]

John Nash-Beautiful Mind
Peter Parker-Spider Man (doc ock's intj, they provide a good contrast between the two types)

[Conan]

I think John Nash was an INTJ - he was a bit too pushy to be an INTP.



no. john nash was an intp. shouldnt need to explain that one.

[TPol]

Not a movie, but if anyone has seen the t.v. show stargate sg1, Daniel Jackson strikes me as an intp, maybe. also, on stargate atlantis, rodney mccay might be.. probably intj though

I'd agree on Daniel Jackson being INTP. Rodney McCay...ENTJ (he can't be quiet, and he thinks he's always right). :D

[Mr. Beef]

John Nash was most certainly an INTP. INTP's are not as driven as INTJs, but it's common for brilliant INTPs to be ill-tempered and edgy. Besides, when have you ever heard of an INTJ developing schizophrenia or making a breakthrough discovery? As for doc, he is definitely NOT an INTP....there are some fine differences between ENTP and INTP. Doc was overly expressive and enthusiastic throughout the movie, always eager to work on/test out his new inventions. Generally INTPs are not as eager as ENTPs. Also, ENTP is the classic inventor type....so it's more probably that that's what he was as he was an inventor. Finally, the claim that he was shy around women doesn't mean he's an introvert....extroverts just focus on the world of external things, it doesn't mean that they're necessarily better at relating to others (though this is generally true). Anyone of any type can be shy around women, especially highly intelligent people like doc. Bill Gates is extremely shy of people yet he's an extrovert. Extroversion does not neccessitate social facility.

[Mr. Beef]

In regards to Esteban's comment.....I think it's fairly common in stories to contrast an INTJ villain with an INFP hero, which is the case in Spiderman. INTJ make good evil villains since they're so cold and manipulating. Note Starwars...

[vacant space]

Willy Wonka (J. Depp) - Charlie and the Chocolate Factory

1. Seemed schizoid, had facial tics (Michael Jackson with child-hating tendencies).
2. Childlike-wonder: Extremely creative & inventive with factory and lollies, crazy fashion sense.
3. Suppressed parental issues, manipulates Charlie to do the emotional dirtywork with Wonka's father.
4. Fear of losing control (Invites the family to his factory instead of joining the outside world for company)
5. Disliked having to explain how he was going to rescue the children.
6. Seemed very spaced-out and preoccupied with the Oompa-Loompa songs, eerily nodding, bopping and smiling.
7. Frequently loses his train of speech, needs cue cards.
8. The director is Tim Burton (Beatlejuice, Edward Scissorhands so possibly intp), so injects his personality into the character.

*Being attracted to intps, I found the character pretty sexy while others found him extremely weird & creepy.

[Sackanaka]

Whoa, for a moment I thought EZ was back.

[Rhu]

Probably INTP: Steve Corell's character in The Forty Year Old Virgin.

[nottaprettygal]

Probably INTP: Steve Corell's character in The Forty Year Old Virgin.

We've had a discussion on this before, and I think the conclusion was: NO, you're wrong!

Ahem..

He's definitely an IN?J.

[Rhu]

But, but... *sputter* ...

If you can't tell what the third letter there is, how can you be so sure he's a J?

Though I guess to me he seemed to be pretty clearly a T. Seemed to be very underdeveloped on the feeling side. I guess I should look up the argument for some sort of illumination on whatever caused this conclusion to come about.

[nottaprettygal]

If you can't tell what the third letter there is, how can you be so sure he's a J?

'Cause I'm a genius.

And just look at how perfectly his condo was arranged; nothing was out of place. He was always on time...well groomed....responsible.


Though I guess to me he seemed to be pretty clearly a T. Seemed to be very underdeveloped on the feeling side.

Alright...we'll call him an INTJ...since that's what all the cool people are.

[eyebyte_atWork]

Alright...we'll call him an INTJ...since that's what all the cool people are.



Word.

[Rhu]

And just look at how perfectly his condo was arranged; nothing was out of place. He was always on time...well groomed....responsible.
I just thought he had a touch of the OCD... Though I suppose that could *cough* be confused with an INTJ. ;)



*starts running before notaprettygal and eyebyte can load their guns*

[Mr. Beef]

this is a rather silly thread....just to let you know. :)

[Mr. Beef]

INTP 4 LIFE ......bitches...........out

[Conan]

i thought his character was an istj? ive never seen the movie but thats what he seemed like from the previews, big on doing what hes told right?

[Mr. Beef]

Yeah, ISTJ seems to fit pretty well. In fact, almost perfectly. A change of direction.....what would you say James Bond is? ISTP?

[MasterMerk]

I had this idea that Bond was ESTP, but he has way too much tact for that. Or maybe not.

[Mr. Beef]

But keep in mind that ISTPs are generally very aware of their environment....and don't talk much, occassionally making a witty comment.....sound like 007?

[Kristiana]

Yep :) Come up with one or two fictional characters.... what book/movie/TV show they're from.... and what type you think they are, and why.

Bonus points if you find some INTP characters. :D

[wildcat]

Yep :) Come up with one or two fictional characters.... what book/movie/TV show they're from.... and what type you think they are, and why.

Bonus points if you find some INTP characters. :D
Phileas Fogg was the English character created by a Frenchman. He travelled around the world in 80 days. They said that he resembled Byron, but a Byron without passion, cold and set back. I think he was an INTJ. So I do not get bonus.

[cafe]

One pops immediately to mind. A favorite of mine: Nero Wolfe. INTJ. From the books. I want to see the TV series, but have not yet.
I will have to ponder a second one.

[aklight]

Tom Cruise's character in War of the Worlds reminds me of an INTP. I could be wrong.

[slacker]

Ulrich from Robert Musil's book, The Man without Qualities (Der Mann ohne Eigenschaften). Musil was probably an INTP too.

[panda]

Tom Cruise's character in War of the Worlds reminds me of an INTP. I could be wrong.
I would say ISTP.

[Kristiana]

I think Buffy from Buffy the Vampire Slayer was ESFP.

[Google Monster]

Sponge Bob INTP?

[cosmos..33]

Levin from Anna Karenina -- INTP.

[attila_the_hunny]

I would say ISTP.

I second that.

[Rhu]

Master Shake: ESFP
Meatwad: ISFP
Frylock: INTJ

MC Peepants and reincarnations: ENFP.

Carl: ISTJ

Dr. Weird: ENTP
Steve: INTP

Ignignot: ESTP
Err: ESFP

[Xenophon]

Wyatt from the TV show Saved! is an INTP. In fact I think he is the best portrayal of an INTP I have ever seen.

[ATPB]

John Locke (Lost) - INTP

[outmywindow]

I'd say that Vincent D'Onofrio's character from 'Law and Order' (don't remember the character's name) is an INTP, but then again I suck at typing people.

I'm thinking Mike Hammer from all those Mickey Spillane detective novels is probably an XNFJ (he doesn't seem to have any trouble socializing, but also spends a lot of time in his head), but who knows.

[cafe]

I'd say that Vincent D'Onofrio's character from 'Law and Order' (don't remember the character's name) is an INTP, but then again I suck at typing people.If my :wub:-meter means anything he is.

[outmywindow]

If my :wub:-meter means anything he is.

Yeah, that's kind of why I thought he might be too. The way he knows tons of random crap but isn't arrogant about it at all helps as well.

[phenol]

Sponge Bob INTP?

ENFP

[distraction tactics]

ENFP

Yeah, totally!

I've done some before, so these may be repeats:

Bender: ESTP
Fry: ESFP
Leela: ISXP
Professor Farnsworth: ENTP
Hermes: ISTJ
Zoidberg: XNFP
Cubert: ENTJ
Kip: INFP
Amy: ESFX
Zap: ESTJ

Archie: ISTJ
Reggie: ESTP
Dilton: ENTP
Jughead: ISXP/INTP (dude's pretty smart, just lazy)
Betty: ISFJ
Moose: ISTP
Veronica: ESXJ
Ethel: ENFJ?
Midge: ISFJ?

[outmywindow]

Archie: ISTJ
Reggie: ESTP
Dilton: ENTP
Jughead: ISXP/INTP (dude's pretty smart, just lazy)
Betty: ISFJ
Moose: ISTP
Veronica: ESXJ
Ethel: ENFJ?
Midge: ISFJ?

I think you got Veronica's type wrong. Isn't it just 'bitch?' And on a more serious note, I think Dilton may be an INTP; I recall him being rather nervous in quite a few social situations. I used to read Archie comics religiously when I was in elementary school, though it's been a while since I've looked at one, so I might be remembering things incorrectly.

[aklight]

I just watched Home Improvement for the first time in a few years.

Wilson has to be an INTP! What do you think? He has spent his life collecting knowledge, and every time Tim goes outside, Wilson is doing some crazy experiment sort of thing. He doesn't go out much and he's pretty creative.

And Tim's an ESTP maybe.

I'm not very good at this, what do you think?

[Monica]

I have wondered lately what type my favorite authors/actors are. Hunter S. Thompson I'd say is and NTJ, not sure about the E or I, probably an E, though.

What about Jack Nicholson? Is he an ENTJ?

What about Johnny Depp, the same, ENTJ? Or maybe ENTP?

Maybe I am just attracted to ENTJs.

[Ivy]

We were just typing Spongebob tonight. I concur that Spongebob himself is ENFP-- maybe ENFJ though, he's pretty neat and organized. Squidward is definitely INTP. Sandy is ESFJ. Mr. Crabs, I'm not sure-- ESTJ? Mrs Puff may be ISFJ.

[MasterMerk]

I have wondered lately what type my favorite authors/actors are. Hunter S. Thompson I'd say is and NTJ, not sure about the E or I, probably an E, though.

What about Jack Nicholson? Is he an ENTJ?

What about Johnny Depp, the same, ENTJ? Or maybe ENTP?

Maybe I am just attracted to ENTJs.

Hunter S. Thompson isn't J. That guy has ENTP written all over him.

[Eileen]

Johnny Depp is ISTP, I think, Monica.


Anyway, about fictional characters...

Franny Glass - INFJ or INFP.
Zooey Glass - ENTP

[Ivy]

Nice, Eileen. Would you say Holden Caulfield may be INTP?

What about Seymour?

[puzzled-observer]

doctor octopus INTP

[Ivy]

Dorothy: ENFJ
Scarecrow: ENTP
Tinman: INFJ
Lion: ESFP
Wizard: ENTJ
Toto: ISTP
Aunt Em: ISFJ
Uncle Henry: ISFP

[Eileen]

Nice, Eileen. Would you say Holden Caulfield may be INTP?

What about Seymour?


It's been a long time since I've read Seymour (and I've only read it once as opposed to the um, five or six times I've read F&Z). My initial response was INTJ, but I don't think that's right.

Holden? I can see INTP. Makes plenty of sense.

[spasmfrog]

We were just typing Spongebob tonight. I concur that Spongebob himself is ENFP-- maybe ENFJ though, he's pretty neat and organized. Squidward is definitely INTP. Sandy is ESFJ. Mr. Crabs, I'm not sure-- ESTJ? Mrs Puff may be ISFJ.
I'd figure Squidward as INTJ, it seems like P types are flitty and Squidward is nothing if not predictable.

[Ivy]

I'd figure Squidward as INTJ, it seems like P types are flitty and Squidward is nothing if not predictable.

Possibly. He is a little lazy for an INTJ, though.

Then again, he does have that Sunday routine culminating in a pedicure. Yeah, you're probably right.

[Ellipsis]

O'neil from stargate SG-1 would be which type???As well as the other stargate chracters...I aint that good at typing people...

[stevaldo]

i'd say spongebob could be an isfj or esfj, he's defo an f and he seems to love tradition and loves to give himself to a cause, maybe his enthusiasm is more of a guardians enthusiasm for doing work and being useful??, e.g the way he treats the crusty crab like he owns it - looks kinda like a guardian to me

my guesses for some random characters/people:

marge simpson - infp

bart - esfp

2pac - enfp

milhouse - intp anyone??

tim 'the toolman' taylor - estp

carla in scrubs - istj

what about JD??

[Kristiana]

Brennan from Bones is INTJ :D

[Ferrus]

Was Sherlock Holmes INTJ or ISTJ? He seems to make conflicting comments regarding this. Whilst on the one hand he acutely observed details he himself states that his conclusions are drawn from a intuitive process.

[SolitaryWalker]

Ivan Karamazov-INTJ

Adrianne Monk-ISFJ

[MasterMerk]

Nice, Eileen. Would you say Holden Caulfield may be INTP?



Holden? I can see INTP. Makes plenty of sense.

ISTP. Holden was angsty, but he couldn't back it up with anything worth intellectual merit. He reminds me of an ISTP friend I had.

[FuelShopTech]

INTPs:

1. Daria from MTV's "Daria." (the most obvious INTP I've ever seen)

2. Huey Freeman from "The Boondocks."

3. Doctor Victor Frankenstein from FRANKENSTEIN

4. Detective John Munch from "Law and Order: SVU," and "Homicide: Life on the Streets"

5. Hobbes from "Calvin and Hobbes"

6. Haviland Tuf from TUF VOYAGING

[Shimpei]

Was Sherlock Holmes INTJ or ISTJ? He seems to make conflicting comments regarding this. Whilst on the one hand he acutely observed details he himself states that his conclusions are drawn from a intuitive process.

I think he was ISTP or INTP.

[iganokami]

Here is something I did as a side project for a while that pertains to this topic - MBTI typing for various Sci-fi TV shows:

(since I am not allowed to post a URL, you'll have to do it manually)

www(DOT)samurai-archives(DOT)com/scifi/index(DOT)html

I can't guarantee 100% accuracy, but considering the hundreds of hours of these shows I've watched over the past year or two, it should be fair.

[iganokami]

O'neil from stargate SG-1 would be which type???As well as the other stargate chracters...I aint that good at typing people...

Still not sure about O'Neil, maybe E/ISTP/J - but the rest are pretty clear - Samantha - ENTP, Teal'C - ISFJ, Daniel - INFP, Hammond - ISTJ. Jonas is probably a surprisingly stable and sociable INTP.

[lafz]

Before Sunrise/Sunset:

Ethan Hawke's character: ENXP
Julie Delpy's character: ENFJ

[the_e11eventh_hour]

House on Fox

House - INTJ
Cuddy - ESFJ
Foreman - ENTP
Cameron - ENFJ (bleeding heart all the way)

Not to sure about Chase or Wilson, suggestions?

also, the main character from Prison Break that helps his brother out of jail seems like an INTx to me.

[Huston]

Was Sherlock Holmes INTJ or ISTJ? He seems to make conflicting comments regarding this. Whilst on the one hand he acutely observed details he himself states that his conclusions are drawn from a intuitive process.

One does not need to be sensor to see details or focus on them. An Intuitive takes details and make connections, a Sensor takes details and give them qualities, like in aesthetics.

[Hustler]

I think the character of God, as seen in The Holy Bible is an INTP. Think about it. He was the architect of the universe. He was all-powerful, but it still took him six days to create the heaven and earth and he even decided to take a day off after that. He is rarely seen or heard; he generally seems to keep to himself. Sometimes he'll answer prayers, but he rarely goes out of his way to initiate social contact. He's all about justice and "compassionate conservatism." You know, he'll probably just leave you alone, but if you go out of your way to push his buttons, he'll destroy your nation with an overwhelming display of wrath. He doesn't make a lot of rules. Just ten. He lets the SJs who work under him sort out all the boring details, make extra rules and ordinances and carry everything out.

[QQQ]

INFP - Neo - Matrix

[Kristiana]

House on Fox

House - INTJ
Cuddy - ESFJ
Foreman - ENTP
Cameron - ENFJ (bleeding heart all the way)

Not to sure about Chase or Wilson, suggestions?

also, the main character from Prison Break that helps his brother out of jail seems like an INTx to me.

Oooh I watch House! I agree that House is INTJ and that Cameron is a definite NF (didn't watch enough of it yet to get the full type, but ENFJ is plausible). Cuddy does seem SJ, but to me she seems a bit more T. My guess for Chase is SP, but I haven't seen much of his character. No idea on Wilson.

Never seen Prison Break.

Do you watch Justice or Bones? Bones is my favorite show! So I'll type the characters:

Brennan - INTJ
Angela - ENFJ
Hodgins - INTP
Zach - INTJ probably
Booth - I have no idea, best guess is IxFP

Haven't seen Justice much (only been on 3 episodes) but I think the blond lawyer lady is IxTJ.

[the_e11eventh_hour]

Do you watch Justice or Bones? Bones is my favorite show! So I'll type the characters:

.


I tried watching Bones last night because of what you said about Brennan. It seems ok but I couldn't get into it. Maybe if I started from the beginning. I can't deal with the chaos of jumping in the middle of it :)

And I agree that Cuddy seems like ESTJ more than ESFJ

[orihalcon]

INTPs:

1. Daria from MTV's "Daria." (the most obvious INTP I've ever seen)

2. Huey Freeman from "The Boondocks."

3. Doctor Victor Frankenstein from FRANKENSTEIN

4. Detective John Munch from "Law and Order: SVU," and "Homicide: Life on the Streets"

5. Hobbes from "Calvin and Hobbes"

6. Haviland Tuf from TUF VOYAGING



Huey is most definitely an INTJ, and Hobbes is an ENTP.

[orihalcon]

Master Shake: ESFP
Meatwad: ISFP
Frylock: INTJ

MC Peepants and reincarnations: ENFP.

Carl: ISTJ

Dr. Weird: ENTP
Steve: INTP

Ignignot: ESTP
Err: ESFP

Shake is an ESTP.

[luzian]

Brennan from Bones is INTJ :D
I would have to agree


milhouse - intp anyone??
That's insulting

[luzian]

I think we have to realize that not all TV shows assign well a personality to a character. While keep a bit of theme and character, their actions can change as ratings demand

[eyebyte_atWork]

Tom Cruise's character in War of the Worlds reminds me of an INTP. I could be wrong.



I thought ISTP.

That character reminds me of my little brother... a true survivor.

[Prothero]

milhouse - intp anyone??


Doesn't seem right. Milhouse is desperate for acceptance, needing the approval of everyone around him. He rarely questions the authority or opinion of any other character. Martin Prince is probably a more likely candidate:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Prince

[luzian]

Doesn't seem right. Milhouse is desperate for acceptance, needing the approval of everyone around him. He rarely questions the authority or opinion of any other character.

That's what I was going to write.

[firch]

Still not sure about O'Neil, maybe E/ISTP/J.
ESFP
http://www.personalitypage.com/ESFP.html

[Samurai Drifter]

Huey is most definitely an INTJ, and Hobbes is an ENTP.
Hobbes isn't an extrovert.

I don't know of many INTPs. I think Hobbes would probably be one. ENTPs are much more easy to spot. Tha hacker in Alias is probably one.

[Zergling]

R2D2 (star wars): ISTP seem most likely, R2D2 seems to be best improvising in risky situations.

C3P0: ESFJ

Han Solo: probably another ISTP

Most others are much less obvious, I'd guess Leia is some sort of STJ, possibly NT, Luke could be anything except NT, Emperor is either INTJ or mentally unstable, Vader is probably borderline STJ, or borderline NTJ.


The starcraft overmind is likely INTJ, it seems to enjoy creating and planning things,and always seems to be carrying out some sort of plan.

[Wolf]

...is either INTJ or mentally unstable...
Thanks, we love you, too. :P

[Yorenec]

Doesn't seem right. Milhouse is desperate for acceptance, needing the approval of everyone around him. He rarely questions the authority or opinion of any other character. Martin Prince is probably a more likely candidate.

Martin strikes me as more of an ENTP. He likes the current state of academia, enjoys arguing much more than most INTP's do, and longs for friends.

I agree Orihalcon, Huey is a definite INTJ. He has an extreme dislike of showing emotion and loathes authority.

To iganokami, I agree with all of the SG-1 types. Jonas is an INTP, I think he just adapted to being sociable. Even when he is in a social situation he seems to be in his head more than he is paying attention to what is going on.

Jack O'Neill has to be an ENFP, he devotes his entire existence towards the prevalence of good and always finds a creative way to do it, whether it be taunting his enemies in the heat of battle or a quick solution to a problem.

He has wonderful charisma and is full of life and joy.

Him being an ENFP is probably also the reason for his natural rapport with INFP Daniel.

[Zergling]

Thanks, we love you, too. :P

Be Careful, if that X in my INTx profile drifts too far one way..... :)

[euterpenc]

What do you think the guy from American Psycho is? ENTJ?

Hannibal Lechter - INTJ

[Wolf]

Hannibal Lecter - INTJ
Clarice Starling, too.

[Samurai Drifter]

The starcraft overmind is likely INTJ, it seems to enjoy creating and planning things,and always seems to be carrying out some sort of plan.
As well as the Protoss leaders, and the Xel'Naga in their attempts to create the perfect race.

As for Star Wars, the Jedi strike me as INFX. What with the whole "search your feelings; what do your feelings tell you?" etc. Luke and Obi-wan would probably fall into this category. Darth Vader (Anakin), who was willing to sacrifice the ethical side to save his girlfriend strikes me as more of a thinker.

Let's see, I could take a shot at Lord of the Rings-
Frodo - ISTJ
Sam - ISFJ
Gandalf - INTJ
Merry & Pippin - Both definitely extroverted, don't remember enough about their respective personalities to attempt to type them.
Saruman - ISTJ ("We must join with Sauron.")

Judging by the characters he wrote and his friendship with CS Lewis, I'd guess J.R.R. Tolkien was probably an introverted thinker himself.

[luzian]

Commander Data - INTP

[FuelShopTech]

Commander Data - INTP

Are you talking about the robot from "Star Trek: The Next Generation?"

He ain't an INTP. He had no imagination, and he was fixated on acquiring "emotion."


Huey is most definitely an INTJ, and Hobbes is an ENTP.

How is Hobbes an extrovert? And I could buy Huey as either a J, or a disgruntled P.

[luzian]

Are you talking about the robot from "Star Trek: The Next Generation?"

He ain't an INTP.
He was fixated on acquiring "emotion."


Oh, you mean that irrational deviation of character for ratings sake?


He had no imagination
Because he wasn't human, he could not imagine the same way humans could. He could process theory from scenarios that have never existed, in that way he is much like an INTP.

If you break it down to each axis, you could definately say he is INTP.

[Jennywocky]

Oh, you mean that irrational deviation of character for ratings sake?

Because he wasn't human, he could not imagine the same way humans could. He could process theory from scenarios that have never existed, in that way he is much like an INTP.

If you break it down to each axis, you could definately say he is INTP.

I'm certainly not sure what else he would classify as.

(Characters, if used to drive a plot rather than simply exist, can sometimes not fit easily into a type.)

[Jennywocky]

As well as the Protoss leaders, and the Xel'Naga in their attempts to create the perfect race.

As for Star Wars, the Jedi strike me as INFX. What with the whole "search your feelings; what do your feelings tell you?" etc. Luke and Obi-wan would probably fall into this category. Darth Vader (Anakin), who was willing to sacrifice the ethical side to save his girlfriend strikes me as more of a thinker.

Let's see, I could take a shot at Lord of the Rings-
Frodo - ISTJ
Sam - ISFJ
Gandalf - INTJ
Merry & Pippin - Both definitely extroverted, don't remember enough about their respective personalities to attempt to type them.
Saruman - ISTJ ("We must join with Sauron.")

Judging by the characters he wrote and his friendship with CS Lewis, I'd guess J.R.R. Tolkien was probably an introverted thinker himself.

Tolkien - INTP
Lewis = INTJ
Frodo = INFP
Sam - ISFJ
Gandalf = INTJ
Pippin = Probably ESFP
Merry = ISxx
Saruman = xSTJ, maybe (and I could even lean toward E)

Aragorn was a caricature / plot device in the book, more than a real character. (he represented the 'future kingdom.')

[Zergling]

Merry and Pippin are almost certainly SP's, both in the books and movies, Merry is a more controlled one.


As well as the Protoss leaders, and the Xel'Naga in their attempts to create the perfect race.

Most of the protoss leaders seem like guardians to me, they tend to stick to some sort of old rules, Artanis is likely and STP though.

Daggoth is likely STJ, Zasz some sort of SP, Kerrigan could be a number of things (Seems like a mixture of NT and SP) (An actualy overmind would likely design traits of several personalities into it's creations, so all cerebrates would likely have long term planning abilities developed, and would all probably do what they needed to do to best make the zerg powerful.)

[Cap'n Cook]

Gaius Baltar: Textbook corrupted ENT

Kara Thrace: ISTP

Adama Sr. : ENXP?

Adama Jr.: INTP?

I had a whole list of these, but it's lost.

New series, btw.



Oh, and on the SG-1 front, I was recently having a long-distance phone conversation with an old friend, who commented on how he was always reminded of me when he thought of Daniel, which would make sense in the MBTI framework.

[booyalab]

Merry and Pippin are almost certainly SP's, both in the books and movies, Merry is a more controlled one.




controlled? not sure what you mean by that. I think he's just an ISTP. Pippin is an ESFP.

[DannyDark]

INTP:
Agent Mulder
Neo
Dib

And Starcraft:
Kerrigan seems to be ENTJ, at least after her infection
Raynor: ESTP
Tassadar: INFJ
Aldaris: XSTJ

[Rhu]

Saruman - ISTJ ("We must join with Sauron.")
*cringe* The re-characterization and dumbing down of Saruman was the worst part of Jackson's interpretation of Tolkien, in my opinion.



Gandalf = INTJ
I disagree. Gandalf was guided by extraverted intuition and, as Olorin:



But of Olorin [the Quenta Silmarillion] does not speak; for though he loved the Elves, he walked among them unseen, or in form as one of them, and they did not know whence came the fair visions or promptings of wisdom he put into their hearts.
Total Ti/Ne action going on, there. Gandalf was an INTP. Or at least he was six thousand years before LoTR.

[Jennywocky]

Merry and Pippin are almost certainly SP's, both in the books and movies, Merry is a more controlled one.

I lean towards ISFP for Merry, after thinking more about it. It's hard to tell, putting him next to Pippin -- the little fool of a Took is so "E" he makes everyone else look like a wallflower. But Pippin is just rambunctious and out of control, while Merry is very gentle.

[puzzled-observer]

As for Star Wars, the Jedi strike me as INFX. What with the whole "search your feelings; what do your feelings tell you?" etc. Luke and Obi-wan would probably fall into this category. Darth Vader (Anakin), who was willing to sacrifice the ethical side to save his girlfriend strikes me as more of a thinker.



i think this is absolutely incorrect. it is the feelers who undercut the rules when they're emotions tell them to. Feelers think that every situation should be judged individually and that having one set of rules for all situations is flawed. The way i see it, the point of a jedi is to be an absolute T, to have no emotion at all. that's why the order doesn't want jedi falling in love, giving into anger, or fear, or hate. Sith fall to the dark side by allowing their emotions to control them. that said, anakin obi and luke were all idealists i think. although, obi strikes me as somewhat of an intp, being a hermit who lives by himself for 20 some years, always deflecting serious situations with humor, he may be borderline T/F.

[Jennywocky]

*cringe* The re-characterization and dumbing down of Saruman was the worst part of Jackson's interpretation of Tolkien, in my opinion.

Well, I'd agree with that. Sarumon was just... dumb. I don't mean to bust on Christopher Lee, but he's very "S" -- his understanding of the books doesn't seem to be mine. My vision for Sarumon would go much deeper than his.

My Dark Deep Secret: While intellectually I respect Jackson's movies and I fully understand they were probably about as good as one could expect from today's blockbuster film industry (i.e., they had the potential to be just god-awful), I can't watch them.

I really liked The Fellowship, despite some plot deviations. But the Two Towers and the Return of the King were mostly unwatchable. I saw them once, and I laughed out loud at some of the drama in the third one (like when Denethor pitches himself flaming off the top of Minas Tirith -- just ridiculous). I was so disappointed by much of them.

Many people liked the films, and I'm glad if it brought them a deeper interest in Tolkien, but the transcendent nature of the books (the deeper spiritual truth) was lost on the more pragmatic movie. I'll stick with the books.


I disagree. Gandalf was guided by extraverted intuition and, as Olorin:

I understand what you're saying. I'm not set on INTJ. I find it hard to tell because Gandalf's not really a person, he's essentially an angelic emissary sent by the West to play a specific role in the story. And we also get two versions of Gandalf: Gandalf the Grey (cranky/cantankerous and rather mired down in the human flesh he's been wearing for centuries), and Gandalf the White (the "scrubbed" Olorin, with the gritty human stuff removed, revealed in his glorified angelic body).

He has so much vision and cantankerousness in either role, it comes across as "J" on the outside. But it could simply be an INTP with a mission or with clear vision, so little is left in doubt. It's just that I often do not see an INTP with direction and little doubt. :) [ANother point in your favor: Tolkien's INTP, and Gandalf often acts as his viewpoint within the narrative.]


Total Ti/Ne action going on, there. Gandalf was an INTP. Or at least he was six thousand years before LoTR.

Maybe. I won't fight over that one.

[Toonia]

Adrianne Monk-ISFJI would have typed him as an ISTJ. He has emotional issues, but is very poor at handling them. His focus is on thinking to solve problems, and he is useless at solving emotional problems or even being aware of emotional contexts in himself or others.


INTP:
Agent MulderI would type him as INFJ, because he is so convicted of his mission. People don't have as many examples of male INFJs and so may mistype them, expecting the type to require too much mushiness or something. Scully is either INTJ or P, and it is her role to keep Mulder's thinking objective and grounded. I would lean towards typing Scully as a P because she is analytical, but has such a relaxed quality about her. I remember one episode where she is performing an autopsy and finds pizza in the stomach. She say, hmmm, pizza. That sounds good. Definitely NT. Mulder and Scully are the classic INF-INT heart-head interaction. It's that understated, complex intensity that occurs on its own separate plane.

[Jennywocky]

i think this is absolutely incorrect. it is the feelers who undercut the rules when they're emotions tell them to. Feelers think that every situation should be judged individually and that having one set of rules for all situations is flawed. The way i see it, the point of a jedi is to be an absolute T, to have no emotion at all. that's why the order doesn't want jedi falling in love, giving into anger, or fear, or hate. Sith fall to the dark side by allowing their emotions to control them. that said, anakin obi and luke were all idealists i think. although, obi strikes me as somewhat of an intp, being a hermit who lives by himself for 20 some years, always deflecting serious situations with humor, he may be borderline T/F.

I get what you're saying.

I think the whole Jedi thing as actually portrayed in the film is more NF; I think, philosophically, you're correct in seeing a strong NT component.

Luke DEFINITELY comes across as INFP, not INTP.

Oddly enough, though, I'm not convinced that Darth or Obiwan were N's. Anakin acts much more S in nature, philosophical matters seem lost on him and he doesn't really have much vision, little sense of self-awareness or long-term perspective. His decisions constantly suck.

Obiwan is probably IxTJ. He's not relaxed enough to be P, he actually structures his outer environment and tries to control what happens around him... although he is very low-key about it compared to an ESTJ (for example). Everything has its proper place and role.

More insight is given in his earlier years as a padawan. He's dutiful, methodical, responsible, respects his teacher and his own position (whether as teacher or student), has very clear roles for people in his understanding of the world. I'm afraid I lean more ISTJ for him. He's more interested in being more practical and accomplish tangible things, not dealing with broad philosophical concepts or dominating as an NT (or INTJ) would. He seems to view the world through that "duty/responsibility" paradigm primarily, and never really goes outside the box.

Yoda? Well... there's mystical for you. Not sure of type.

The Emperor? I'd class him as JERK.


I would type [Mulder] him as INFJ, because he is so convicted of his mission.

I have trouble with Mulder too -- I flip between INTP and INFJ. Probably a stronger case for INFJ, but I'm really not sure, and I doubt I ever will be.

I'm not sure why people insist on calling Scully an N, though. I've been shocked by how many N readings she gets. And I don't know why on earth anyone would think her a "P." She's a plodder, not a visionary; she accomplishes everything by methodical, by-the-books, skeptical thinking; very intellectual; very structured on the surface; conventional. I won't say it with 100% certainty, but I have always seen her as the female ISTJ type. She's not out to dominate her world like an NT, she's out to contribute as a productive member of society in a very logical, methodical, empirically supportable way.

I think there's also confusion on Mulder because I'm fairly sure Duchovny is an INTP. So (like with Michael J. Fox) Duchovny is partly "playing himself" rather than Mulder per se.

---

The books a friend and I have been working on for far too long definitely have typed characters.

Our main triad (a young woman, a young man, and our version of a wizard) consists respectively of IxTJ, ESFP, and ENTP. Kinsey reminds me an awful lot of Scully but much more active and aggressive; Jan is hard to write for me sometimes because he's so ESFP; and Nathan reminds me a great deal of Doc Brown from the "Back to the Future" trilogy, just more "locked into reality" and stable.

Most of our other supporting cast can be typed as well. There's an ISTJ, an INFJ, an ESTP, and a host of others.

The difficulty is trying to get a hand "directly" on the characters without worrying about their type. If you try to start with type and work backwards, it usually deadens the character. You want to derive type from the character, not derive the character from the type.

[SolitaryWalker]

Well, I'd agree with that. Sarumon was just... dumb. I don't mean to bust on Christopher Lee, but he's very "S" -- his understanding of the books doesn't seem to be mine. My vision for Sarumon would go much deeper than his.

My Dark Deep Secret: While intellectually I respect Jackson's movies and I fully understand they were probably about as good as one could expect from today's blockbuster film industry (i.e., they had the potential to be just god-awful), I can't watch them.

I really liked The Fellowship, despite some plot deviations. But the Two Towers and the Return of the King were mostly unwatchable. I saw them once, and I laughed out loud at some of the drama in the third one (like when Denethor pitches himself flaming off the top of Minas Tirith -- just ridiculous). I was so disappointed by much of them.

Many people liked the films, and I'm glad if it brought them a deeper interest in Tolkien, but the transcendent nature of the books (the deeper spiritual truth) was lost on the more pragmatic movie. I'll stick with the books.



I understand what you're saying. I'm not set on INTJ. I find it hard to tell because Gandalf's not really a person, he's essentially an angelic emissary sent by the West to play a specific role in the story. And we also get two versions of Gandalf: Gandalf the Grey (cranky/cantankerous and rather mired down in the human flesh he's been wearing for centuries), and Gandalf the White (the "scrubbed" Olorin, with the gritty human stuff removed, revealed in his glorified angelic body).

He has so much vision and cantankerousness in either role, it comes across as "J" on the outside. But it could simply be an INTP with a mission or with clear vision, so little is left in doubt. It's just that I often do not see an INTP with direction and little doubt. :) [ANother point in your favor: Tolkien's INTP, and Gandalf often acts as his viewpoint within the narrative.]



Maybe. I won't fight over that one.


Smeagol must have been an ISTJ.

The protagonist's servant... was an SJ of some kind...

[SolitaryWalker]

I would have typed him as an ISTJ. He has emotional issues, but is very poor at handling them. His focus is on thinking to solve problems, and he is useless at solving emotional problems or even being aware of emotional contexts in himself or others.

I would type him as INFJ, because he is so convicted of his mission. People don't have as many examples of male INFJs and so may mistype them, expecting the type to require too much mushiness or something. Scully is either INTJ or P, and it is her role to keep Mulder's thinking objective and grounded. I would lean towards typing Scully as a P because she is analytical, but has such a relaxed quality about her. I remember one episode where she is performing an autopsy and finds pizza in the stomach. She say, hmmm, pizza. That sounds good. Definitely NT. Mulder and Scully are the classic INF-INT heart-head interaction. It's that understated, complex intensity that occurs on its own separate plane.


I am not so sure about Monk being a Thinker.

He does not apply logic very well. He does have emotional issues. Though, he was able to talk about them with his psychiatrist, and he was comfortable using the phrase of 'I feel'.

I think his Captain, LiLand Stultenmeyer is an ISTJ.

They have similar temperaments, though the latter is more assertive and thick-skinned.

I though Monk was an ISTJ too at first, but when I've compared him to his captain, I figured that he is probably an ISFJ.

Monk also relies on hunches a lot, this is usually a property of Intuition, but SFs are more likely to do that than STs.

[Martoon]

I think the character of God, as seen in The Holy Bible is an INTP. Think about it. He was the architect of the universe. He was all-powerful, but it still took him six days to create the heaven and earth and he even decided to take a day off after that. He is rarely seen or heard; he generally seems to keep to himself. Sometimes he'll answer prayers, but he rarely goes out of his way to initiate social contact. He's all about justice and "compassionate conservatism." You know, he'll probably just leave you alone, but if you go out of your way to push his buttons, he'll destroy your nation with an overwhelming display of wrath. He doesn't make a lot of rules. Just ten. He lets the SJs who work under him sort out all the boring details, make extra rules and ordinances and carry everything out.
Can we rate individual posts, as opposed to entire threads? I'd have to give this one an 8/5 or so. Too bad it's a little too long for a sig.

[Rhu]

Well, I'd agree with that. Sarumon was just... dumb. I don't mean to bust on Christopher Lee, but he's very "S" -- his understanding of the books doesn't seem to be mine. My vision for Sarumon would go much deeper than his.
Yeah. No Saruman of Many Colors at all. Saruman didn't seek to be Sauron's vassal; he wanted the power of the rings for himself and sought a pseudo-alliance with Sauron. I think he was more along the lines of an ENTJ in the books--leader of the White Council and all that.


I really liked The Fellowship, despite some plot deviations. But the Two Towers and the Return of the King were mostly unwatchable. I saw them once, and I laughed out loud at some of the drama in the third one (like when Denethor pitches himself flaming off the top of Minas Tirith -- just ridiculous). I was so disappointed by much of them.
The drama I didn't mind. The mucking with Tolkien's themes I did mind. An army of elves from the extremely xenophobic land of Lothlorien fried my brain a little. Elrond's and Denethor's pettiness and decided lack of wisdom I didn't like--especially Denethor's (would it have been so hard to include the other Palantirs in the story?) Old Man Willow trying to eat Treebeard's guests rubbed me the wrong way.


Gandalf the White (the "scrubbed" Olorin, with the gritty human stuff removed, revealed in his glorified angelic body).
Ooh. No. I don't like where you're going with this. Giving him a body greater than that of a man would go against the purpose of sending the wizards in the first place.

His spirit may have been strengthened and his body may have been mended to something healthier than what he had before his epic fight in the Utumnan pits and the Misty peaks, but the purpose of the Istari was to guide the Children to save themselves, as it had been decided that direct intervention in the affairs of Middle-Earth always did more harm than good, and typically ended with a good chunk of real estate resting at the bottom of the sea.


He has so much vision and cantankerousness in either role, it comes across as "J" on the outside.
Clear vision and cantankerousness make a person an INTJ? Crap. I had better change my type. ;)

Gandalf also had the trademark indecisiveness of INTPs--this may have been by necessity due to the nature of his mission.


Maybe. I won't fight over that one.
*cracks knuckles* Quibbling over Tolkien makes me feel like a kid again. :)

[SolitaryWalker]

Can we rate individual posts, as opposed to entire threads? I'd have to give this one an 8/5 or so. Too bad it's a little too long for a sig.

I must admit. That was priceless. As an argument, it lacks cogency. But as artistic expression it was meritorious.

[Zergling]

Elrond's and Denethor's pettiness and decided lack of wisdom I didn't like--especially Denethor's (would it have been so hard to include the other Palantirs in the story?)

I didn't like this either. Elrond's abilities would be hard to fit into the movies, but it seem his and the Arwen stuff should have been left out (Although they do work as pauses between the action.) Denethor got really screwed up, in the books he commanded some respect, and was a skilled ruler it seemed, who had a few issues that eventually killed him. In the movie, though, it seemed that people would just ignore Denethor.

(Beacon person: "Denethor doesn't want to light the beacons to get help? Screw that, I want to live."

Denethor: "(Whatever he said to tell Faramir to recapture osgiliath)"

Faramir: "No, that's a stupid idea. We'll all just get killed" (Walks off to get the city ready for the attack))


Otherwise, though, I liked the movies a lot. (Not a full on tolkein fan here.)

[lbloom]

Crowe as Nash in A Beautiful Mind seemed much more INTP than the more complete portrait in the book, which seemed too edgy, ambitious and malicious for the type.

[SolitaryWalker]

Crowe as Nash in A Beautiful Mind seemed much more INTP than the more complete portrait in the book, which seemed too edgy, ambitious and malicious for the type.

I think that John Nash was an INTJ.

He was orderly and more directive in his communication than informative.

His visions (both his theories and his psychotic delusions) seemed more of a product of the Ni, as opposed to the Ne. Were very subjective and esoteric, though he expounded them in a seemingly orderly and a systematic way with his extroverted judging function, the way he carried himself seemed like a work of the Ni-Te.

[anu bys]

House on Fox

House - INTJ
Cuddy - ESFJ
Foreman - ENTP
Cameron - ENFJ (bleeding heart all the way)

House is J ?? how so, i suspect he is INTP

Although im not sure, the J doesnt seem to fit though

[luzian]

Dexter (the serial killer/blood spatter analyst) - INTJ

[luzian]

House is J ?? how so, i suspect he is INTP

Although im not sure, the J doesnt seem to fit though

House is INTP, but he displays "J" behavior only to piss people off. He doesn't actually hold warranty to what he says to people, nor judges people for being what they are, he just calls it out, though he may hold people against their hypocrisy in denial of truth. This is exactly how I think.

[outmywindow]

Harold Crick from Stranger Than Fiction: INTJ, big time.

[Wolf]

House is INTP, but he displays "J" behavior only to piss people off. He doesn't actually hold warranty to what he says to people, nor judges people for being what they are, he just calls it out, though he may hold people against their hypocrisy in denial of truth. This is exactly how I think.
Of the little I've seen in passing, I disagree. He comes to rigid conclusions based on data and seems to shift readily if needed.

[luzian]

Of the little I've seen in passing, I disagree. He comes to rigid conclusions based on data and seems to shift readily if needed.

And you think that is "J"ness?
Do you think INTPs conclude from the word of god, or from messages pulled out of their asses?
Don't be disappointed, you get Dexter the serial killer :)

[Wolf]

And you think that is "J"ness?
Yes

It's too data-oriented and concluding. He also has too much confidence in his solutions, Ps never have such confidence, they have too much doubt.

[luzian]

Yes

It's too data-oriented and concluding. He also has too much confidence in his solutions, Ps never have such confidence, they have too much doubt.

And that's probably just how it is to be a doctor, or a TV-show doctor.
I can tell you from first hand experience that I've been in situations where showing confidence is just part of the game, and I've outperformed anyone in scenarios with work being accomplished through "data-oriented" conclusion.

A general difference between INTP and INTJ with data-oriented conclusion is that INTJs look at data and derive one conclusion from his past experience, while the INTP thinks of possibilities, and this is what House does. And it's not like the INTP completely ignores his experience. Notice that the scenarios are unique, and the solutions he has many times are unique. This is why the show is an hour, not 15 minutes of him saying "this is what it is PERIOD!!!!!!!!!! Do ___ & ___" *patient dies*.

House is a genious, so an restrictions you think he may have in being "P" can be overcome through intelligence anyway.

[SolitaryWalker]

I am not so sure about Monk being a Thinker.

He does not apply logic very well. He does have emotional issues. Though, he was able to talk about them with his psychiatrist, and he was comfortable using the phrase of 'I feel'.

I think his Captain, LiLand Stultenmeyer is an ISTJ.

They have similar temperaments, though the latter is more assertive and thick-skinned.

I though Monk was an ISTJ too at first, but when I've compared him to his captain, I figured that he is probably an ISFJ.

Monk also relies on hunches a lot, this is usually a property of Intuition, but SFs are more likely to do that than STs.


Also, Monk's assistant, Natalie, seems to be a quintissential ENFJ.

[Wolf]

And that's probably just how it is to be a doctor, or a TV-show doctor.
I can tell you from first hand experience that I've been in situations where showing confidence is just part of the game, and I've outperformed anyone in scenarios with work being accomplished through "data-oriented" conclusion.
Oh, I cannot dispute that, but I've seen a difficulty choosing or even ordering their options from best to worst.

Since I've only seen it in passing, my conclusions could be way off.

[Wolf]

House is a genious, so an restrictions you think he may have in being "P" can be overcome through intelligence.
The same is true in the opposite direction.

[Kristiana]

Harold Crick from Stranger Than Fiction: INTJ, big time.

Seriously? I thought he was a definite ISTJ...

And, House seems J to me... too opinionated and confident in his judgments to be a P, at least from what I've seen.

[luzian]

Oh, I cannot dispute that, but I've seen a difficulty choosing or even ordering their options from best to worst.

Since I've only seen it in passing, my conclusions could be way off.

Oh, I am the most indecisive when it comes to choosing something off the menu, but it's based on personal preference, solutions to a problem are based on fact.

[Kristiana]

I have trouble with Mulder too -- I flip between INTP and INFJ. Probably a stronger case for INFJ, but I'm really not sure, and I doubt I ever will be.

I'm not sure why people insist on calling Scully an N, though. I've been shocked by how many N readings she gets. And I don't know why on earth anyone would think her a "P." She's a plodder, not a visionary; she accomplishes everything by methodical, by-the-books, skeptical thinking; very intellectual; very structured on the surface; conventional. I won't say it with 100% certainty, but I have always seen her as the female ISTJ type. She's not out to dominate her world like an NT, she's out to contribute as a productive member of society in a very logical, methodical, empirically supportable way.

I think there's also confusion on Mulder because I'm fairly sure Duchovny is an INTP. So (like with Michael J. Fox) Duchovny is partly "playing himself" rather than Mulder per se.



I have only seen one or two X-Files episodes... but Scully is SJ. Definite ISxJ.

I wonder how many actors/actresses do play their own type. I've noticed that certain actors do tend to stick to playing characters of the same MBTI, and they seem to also fit that type, themselves...

Mulder seems INxx, and not INFP. That's all I can say for sure.

[luzian]

Seriously? I thought he was a definite ISTJ...

And, House seems J to me... too opinionated and confident in his judgments to be a P, at least from what I've seen.

Have you considered what I wrote? I can relate to his way of thinking because I have many times said "opinionated" things in complete seperation of what I feel, to people merely to hurt them in their own judgement of what has been said, while the point was that it doesn't matter, and because it does to them, that's why it hurts. It's their own "J" fault.

And I'm not trying to rationalize "J" behavior to be "P", I know it's "P" behavior mainly due to his bitter nature.

[anu bys]

Batman INTP??
Superman ENFP??

Im not very good at this:sadbanana:

[luzian]

Mulder seems INxx, and not INFP. That's all I can say for sure.

Could you say for surer that he is xxxx? :)

[Eileen]

Grey's Anatomy - feel free to make suggestions. ;)

Meredith - ? Since she's the main character and narrator, I find it kind of hard to distance myself enough from her to figure her out.
Izzy - ENFJ? ESFJ?
George - INFP? ISFP?
Christina - INTJ!!!! (This is the only one I'm sure about.)
Alex - ESTJ
Bailey - ? I think she's an introvert, and she's got kind of that tough girl thing going on, but I don't necessarily think that should translate to T.
Burke - INFJ (I think he can come across as INTJ, but I don't think he really is)
Derek - ?
Addison - ENFJ
Richard - ?



Oh, nothing like a good diversion to keep me from cleaning my kitchen...

[TaylorS]

Characters from Kim Stanley Robinson's Mars trilogy.

John: ESTP
Maya: ESFJ
Sax: INTJ
Ann: INTP
Nadia: ISTP
Arkady: ENTP
Vlad: INTP
Hiroko: INFJ
Nirgal: ESTP
Jackie: ENFJ
Zoe: ENTP

[NightCrawler]

Belle from Beauty and the Beast -- INFP.
Scrooge McDuck -- ISTJ.

[outmywindow]

Scrooge McDuck -- ISTJ.

So, for some reason the idea of typing Scrooge McDuck made me laugh really hard. Maybe it's just the thought of applying fairly solid, serious academic work in psychology to something called "Scrooge McDuck." I dunno...

Oh, and @Kristiana about Harold Crick: You could be right about that one. I find I'm not very good at the whole typing thing, especially when it comes to fictional characters who I've "met" for all of two whopping hours.

[lbloom]

http://forums.intpcentral.com/showpost.php?p=458522&postcount=39

[Samurai Drifter]

I almost forgot.

V (V for Vendetta) - Classic INTJ, at least if you read the comic. It comes across less strongly in the movie, but it's still there.

Gendo Ikari (from the anime series Neon Genesis Evangelion) is too. This is what I consider the epitome of an INTJ pose:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/SamuraiDrifter/gendo4.jpg

As for Star Wars, the Jedi come across as very NF- they look to their feelings for everything, and follow the ancient religion that revolved around a concept that's as highly abstract as The Force. A sensor-thinker (like Han Solo) wouldn't be interested.

[nfinityi]

I forget if I mentioned this before, but I'm sure Prof. Albus Dumbledore is an ENFJ.

[Wolf]

You know, I just thought of another show I watched for a bit and I'll go out on a limb to guess their types...

Numbers:
Larry - INTP
Charlie - INTJ (maybe borderline INTX)

[euterpenc]

I almost forgot.

V (V for Vendetta) - Classic INTJ, at least if you read the comic. It comes across less strongly in the movie, but it's still there.

Gendo Ikari (from the anime series Neon Genesis Evangelion) is too. This is what I consider the epitome of an INTJ pose:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v218/SamuraiDrifter/gendo4.jpg

As for Star Wars, the Jedi come across as very NF- they look to their feelings for everything, and follow the ancient religion that revolved around a concept that's as highly abstract as The Force. A sensor-thinker (like Han Solo) wouldn't be interested.

Gendo is so cool. So is V. What is shinji do you think?

[euterpenc]

Vash, Knives, Legato, and Wolfwood from trigun?

[Ivy]

Shinji Ikari- maybe INFJ?

Rei Ayunami- let's call it INTP and move on to the next one, she scares me

the German chick has to be ESFJ.

and it has been so long since I watched NG:E that I don't remember any of the other characters. Need to pull those tapes out of the attic and watch it straight through again.

[Jennywocky]

I almost forgot. V (V for Vendetta) - Classic INTJ, at least if you read the comic. It comes across less strongly in the movie, but it's still there.

It doesn't help that he's crazy (even if in some ways he's the "sanest" guy in the story). I find it always makes it harder to pin down a type.

Evey made some drastic shifts, however, when going from the book to the screen. DRASTIC.


Belle from Beauty and the Beast -- INFP.

Really? I always read her as INFJ. She was very directed and purposeful in her actions and never really doubted herself. Very strong direction. I dunno.

Beast was definitely an S.

Ariel, though -- ENFP, probably.

[Dunearhp]

Farscape:
John Crichton - ENTP
Pilot - INTP
Bialar Crais - ENTJ
Ka D'Argo - ISFJ
Zhaan - ENFP
Aeryn Sun - XSFP

[luzian]

Farscape:
John Crichton - ENTP
Pilot - INTP
Bialar Crais - ENTJ
Ka D'Argo - ISFJ
Zhaan - ENFP
Aeryn Sun - XSFP

agreed, except I am unsure of aeryn

[euterpenc]

Shinji Ikari- maybe INFJ?

Rei Ayunami- let's call it INTP and move on to the next one, she scares me

the German chick has to be ESFJ.

and it has been so long since I watched NG:E that I don't remember any of the other characters. Need to pull those tapes out of the attic and watch it straight through again.

I would think Shinji a type with Fi and Te. I can relate to Shinji and his ways very well. He is absorbed in his own feelings and doesn't pay much attention to others'. He also makes comments that seem to indicate objective logic, such as certain things directed at Asuka (the German chick) and her wild and sometimes illogical nature.

Misato: ESFP
Pen Pen: ISTP
Kaji: ENTP?
Kaworu: ???

[NightCrawler]

Really? I always read her as INFJ. She was very directed and purposeful in her actions and never really doubted herself. Very strong direction. I dunno.

Beast was definitely an S.
Part of me thought INFJ too. Just one of her lyrics came out pretty anti SJ, "I want so much more than what they've got plaaaaaaannnned!"

[Rhu]

Farscape:
John Crichton - ENTP
Pilot - INTP
Bialar Crais - ENTJ
Ka D'Argo - ISFJ
Zhaan - ENFP
Aeryn Sun - XSFP

Rigel - ENTJ
Stark - INFJ
Chiana - ESFP
Scorpius - INTJ / Harvey - INTP



agreed, except I am unsure of aeryn
Aeryn's character was always under a whole lot of stress from leaving her culture and such. I'd say that if she was comfortable, she'd be an ISFJ. She more resembled an ISTP while she lived on Moya, though.

[Jennywocky]

Part of me thought INFJ too. Just one of her lyrics came out pretty anti SJ, "I want so much more than what they've got plaaaaaaannnned!"

Yeah, those are sort of like "clincher" lines.

At least the newer batch (however cliche they got) beat out the "golden age" batches hands down.

Snow White and Aurora (Sleeping Beauty) and Cinderella were all just pathetic, passive, mindless SJ type girls. It would have been nice to see at least a LITTLE spunk in them...

[Of course, the princes still usually remain losers as well. Eric had no personality whatsoever.]

Give me someone with personality like Ursula ("...and never forget the importance of... BO-DY Lan-Guage!!" ) any day. :)

[outmywindow]

Give me someone with personality like Ursula ("...and never forget the importance of... BO-DY Lan-Guage!!" ) any day. :)

You just want the tentacles.

[Jennywocky]

You just want the tentacles.

There's a sucker born every minute.

[outmywindow]

There's a sucker born every minute.

*rimshot!*

[Jennywocky]

*rimshot!*

You can't give me all the credit: It was a beautiful set-up.

[Samurai Drifter]

I would think Shinji a type with Fi and Te. I can relate to Shinji and his ways very well. He is absorbed in his own feelings and doesn't pay much attention to others'. He also makes comments that seem to indicate objective logic, such as certain things directed at Asuka (the German chick) and her wild and sometimes illogical nature.

Misato: ESFP
Pen Pen: ISTP
Kaji: ENTP?
Kaworu: ???
I think Shinji is ISTJ. Sure he ends up really emo, but that's after a lot of his friends have died and the world is falling apart. Most people would be negatively affected by that.

His mantra of "I musn't run away" points to SJ, and as you said the statements he makes earlier on that indicate objective logic seem to indicate T (not to mention the fact that he has no idea how to deal with other people and their feelings, just his own), and his comments about how he hates being around people point to IT.

Trigun-
Vash: INFJ
Knives: INTJ (the awesome bad guys always seem to be INTJ).

[Wolf]

...the awesome bad guys always seem to be INTJ...
I wonder if this means something.

[NoahFence]

I think Shinji is ISTJ. Sure he ends up really emo, but that's after a lot of his friends have died and the world is falling apart. Most people would be negatively affected by that.

His mantra of "I musn't run away" points to SJ, and as you said the statements he makes earlier on that indicate objective logic seem to indicate T (not to mention the fact that he has no idea how to deal with other people and their feelings, just his own), and his comments about how he hates being around people point to IT.

His "mustn't run away" mantra struck me more as an NT mentality dealing with crushing social pressure. I can see Japanese NT's both resisting those pressures in an attempt to maintain the self, and attempting to satisfy the requirements with a facade to avoid the consequences of not doing so. Reminded me of myself at his age, grinding my face against the treadmill of "ought'a".

[luzian]

I wonder if this means something.
That INTJs are only cool as villians?

[Kristiana]

Have you considered what I wrote? I can relate to his way of thinking because I have many times said "opinionated" things in complete seperation of what I feel, to people merely to hurt them in their own judgement of what has been said, while the point was that it doesn't matter, and because it does to them, that's why it hurts. It's their own "J" fault.

And I'm not trying to rationalize "J" behavior to be "P", I know it's "P" behavior mainly due to his bitter nature.

Yah, I considered what you wrote..... it just seems to me that he is more Ni-Te than Ti-Ne. He seems to intuitively figure out conclusions and then decisively implement them through Te... although you could be right. How 'bout we just say he is INTx? ;) :D

-Kristiana

PS - how strong a P type are you, out of curiosity? I am definitely a J but in the moderate range. (as in, many J types are stronger J than I am, but there is no way I'm really a P type)

[Kristiana]

Really? I always read her as INFJ. She was very directed and purposeful in her actions and never really doubted herself. Very strong direction. I dunno.

Beast was definitely an S.

Ariel, though -- ENFP, probably.

How about Princess Jasmine? :D

[luzian]

Yah, I considered what you wrote..... it just seems to me that he is more Ni-Te than Ti-Ne. He seems to intuitively figure out conclusions and then decisively implement them through Te... although you could be right. How 'bout we just say he is INTx? ;) :D

-Kristiana

PS - how strong a P type are you, out of curiosity? I am definitely a J but in the moderate range. (as in, many J types are stronger J than I am, but there is no way I'm really a P type)
My "P", if I can remember, is definately less than 33.

[Kirai]

Suzumiya Haruhi - ENTP
Kyon - INTJ
Yuki - INTP
Mikuru - ESFP (possibly ISFP)
Koizumi - ENxJ, more T than F, I think
Ryoko Asakura - ESTJ
Kyon's Sister - ESFJ
The Computer Research Society President - INFJ
Tsuruya - ESFP

*snicker*

[Jennywocky]

How about Princess Jasmine? :D

Darn. I was hoping no one would bring her up... because I'm not sure.

IxxJ is about as close as I can say for sure. She's a bit more reserved than Aladdin -- is this because she's a T or because she's J? (That's one problem.) She also feels warmer than a T, but is that because she's F or because she's simply female, groomed as the Sultan's only daughter in a society with strong gender roles?

She feels like INFJ in some ways, but without the "book" motif Belle had going for her. She's more spunky than Belle... almost to the point of being ISTP. But I dunno, she didn't feel "hard" in the same way a T is.

Aladdin acts like an outgoing, easy-going ISxP type. (I'd lean towards F.) ESFP is not likely because Aladdin has too much self-clarity about him.

Genie, of course, is just Robin Williams after a speedball of caffeine, amphetamines, and sugar (a manic ENTP).

[euterpenc]

I wonder if this means something.

I think it's related to us supposedly wanting to improve everything. And the world sucks, so villains want to make it suck less... at least for themselves.

[Wolf]

That INTJs are only cool as villians?
Well, that changes my outlook on life. I need to get my villain license!


I think it's related to us supposedly wanting to improve everything. And the world sucks, so villains want to make it suck less... at least for themselves.
It makes me wonder about the great supervillains of the James Bond universe...

[Jennywocky]

It makes me wonder about the great supervillains of the James Bond universe...

What's there to wonder? They're almost all megalomaniacs = xxTJ (often INTJ).

Jaws? He was a different story. Not much vision, just sharp pointy teeth.

[Samurai Drifter]

Suzumiya Haruhi - ENTP
Kyon - INTJ
Yuki - INTP
Mikuru - ESFP (possibly ISFP)
Koizumi - ENxJ, more T than F, I think
Ryoko Asakura - ESTJ
Kyon's Sister - ESFJ
The Computer Research Society President - INFJ
Tsuruya - ESFP

*snicker*
:theclap:

Meloncholy of Haruhi Suzumiya FTW.

[Zergling]

Jaws? He was a different story. Not much vision, just sharp pointy teeth.

I thought you were talking about the shark jaws for a second. :) (not a big James bond movie person.)

The shark in Jaws: IST(something). :)

[Kristiana]

Darn. I was hoping no one would bring her up... because I'm not sure.

IxxJ is about as close as I can say for sure. She's a bit more reserved than Aladdin -- is this because she's a T or because she's J? (That's one problem.) She also feels warmer than a T, but is that because she's F or because she's simply female, groomed as the Sultan's only daughter in a society with strong gender roles?

She feels like INFJ in some ways, but without the "book" motif Belle had going for her. She's more spunky than Belle... almost to the point of being ISTP. But I dunno, she didn't feel "hard" in the same way a T is.
Hmm, I could easily see INFJ. She was my favorite character when I was in grade school :)


Aladdin acts like an outgoing, easy-going ISxP type. (I'd lean towards F.) ESFP is not likely because Aladdin has too much self-clarity about him.

Genie, of course, is just Robin Williams after a speedball of caffeine, amphetamines, and sugar (a manic ENTP).
Hahahaha, yah, Genie is manic, definitely. So that would mean Genie has bipolar disorder! :lol: Manic ENTP fits wonderfully!

Aladdin hmmm... yah, ISxP works, especially b/c he is great with stunts.

What type is Jafar? And how about Iago? :D