Colin Powell Submits Resignation!

[Groty]

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/11/15/powell/index.html

I consider him to be the least tainted and most level-headed member of the Cabinet.

Oh well.

Watch him offer the job to a Democrat. Maybe Mondale. Whoa! I'm out of my mind!

[mgb]

Good for him. I think Powell can do better. The scary part will be his successor.

[Groty]

Looks like it'll be Condy. I'm quite surprised she's staying in the circus.

[mgb]

Looks like it'll be Condy. I'm quite surprised she's staying in the circus.

Yeah, with her delicate sense of diplomacy I give the world about a year before every single missile and gun is aimed at the US.

[booyalab]

I'd like to see Condy/Colin run for prez/vice prez in 2008 against Hillary/Obama

[Groty]

I'd like to see Condy/Colin run for prez/vice prez in 2008 against Hillary/Obama
Not Jeb/Colin?

[booyalab]

no....some of the worst segments of both parties: sexist and racist republicans, and democrats who think all republicans are racist or sexist...would suffer exploding heads from the paradox of having 2 blacks running on the GOP ticket,1 on the DFL, and a woman candidate for prez on each ticket.. both types of people are annoying, so it would all be for the greater good

[booyalab]

What would be ideal is if condy or colin's gay.

[Groty]

no....see, the worst parts of both parties: sexist and racist republicans, and democrats who think all republicans are racist or sexist...would suffer exploding heads from the paradox of having 2 blacks running on the GOP ticket,1 on the DFL, and a woman candidate for prez on each ticket.. both types of people are annoying, so it would all be for the greater good.

What would be ideal is if condy or colin's gay.

Or we could just forget about both parties, their ideals and absurdities, and start our own where none of that crap matters.

[booyalab]

Or we could just forget about both parties, their ideals and absurdities, and start our own where none of that crap matters.

and get only 2% of the vote! yippee!

[Groty]

and get only 2% of the vote! yippee!
Gotta start somewhere.

[booyalab]

Gotta start somewhere.


we gotta change the existing parties from the inside! If my scenario comes true, that would be a big step.

[KentOhio]

I would like to see Condy run... I'd vote for her

[mgb]

I'd like to see Condy/Colin run for prez/vice prez in 2008 against Hillary/Obama

I think it would be interesting but I don't think it will happen.

Rice and Hillary are seen as cold and manipulating and as much as people would like to see a change I think politics in the US is still a rich white mans game. I don't think it should be but the demographics say that it is. Even if you flip it around so they are running for VP I think you will see many people abstain from voting because these two just aren't that popular. And when it comes down to it I think the 9/11 commission gave enough ammunition to any of Rice's opposition to last for years. And Hillary might be seen as riding Bill's coat tails. Plus Chelsea really went through hell for eight years, might not be up for it again.

I don't see Powell running with Rice after this whole Secretary of State show and I think Obama should wait a few years to build up some credibility in the Senate. If he ran to early they would eat him alive in a presidential election (look at Edwards) which wouldn't be fair because I think he would be a strong leader.

[Network Alchemy]

i am suddenly curious about the whitehouse plumbing system

[GraviTass]

I'm looking forward to Powell's memoirs.

[Utopmk]

You are all fucked! Congo, (Condoleezza Rice) is from Birmingham Alabama.

[booyalab]

You are all fucked! Congo, (Condoleezza Rice) is from Birmingham Alabama.

I'm too tired to mentally fill in the blanks

so....?

[Utopmk]

President Bush nominated Condoleezza Rice to become the next secretary of state

[booyalab]

I think it would be interesting but I don't think it will happen.

Rice and Hillary are seen as cold and manipulating and as much as people would like to see a change I think politics in the US is still a rich white mans game. I don't think it should be but the demographics say that it is. Even if you flip it around so they are running for VP I think you will see many people abstain from voting because these two just aren't that popular. And when it comes down to it I think the 9/11 commission gave enough ammunition to any of Rice's opposition to last for years. And Hillary might be seen as riding Bill's coat tails. Plus Chelsea really went through hell for eight years, might not be up for it again.

I don't see Powell running with Rice after this whole Secretary of State show and I think Obama should wait a few years to build up some credibility in the Senate. If he ran to early they would eat him alive in a presidential election (look at Edwards) which wouldn't be fair because I think he would be a strong leader.

I know it's still a rich white man's game, but the conundrum of having 2 females run for president and the black one being a GOP would shake things up a little. After the initial shock I think people would be just as interested in voting in that election.

However, after thinking about this more, I think there's a much greater chance that condi would run than colin would. Condi's demonstrated more resilience and is less jaded, I think Colin just wants to move somewhere warm and retire now. I would want Colin to be her vp to balance out her temperament.

Obama couldn't be eaten alive because any attack on any part of his character, ever, could be attributed by all the members of his party as racism. Everyone would believe that all attacks will be seen as racism because the DFL plays the all-minorities-are-victims card well and often.

[booyalab]

President Bush nominated Condoleezza Rice to become the next secretary of state

yeah....what does that have to do with her being born in Alabama?

[Utopmk]

yeah....what does that have to do with her being born in Alabama?
You'll see...

[int]

You'll see...

:rofl: :rofl:

[mgb]

I know it's still a rich white man's game, but the conundrum of having 2 females run for president and the black one being a GOP would shake things up a little. After the initial shock I think people would be just as interested in voting in that election.

However, after thinking about this more, I think there's a much greater chance that condi would run than colin would. Condi's demonstrated more resilience and is less jaded, I think Colin just wants to move somewhere warm and retire now. I would want Colin to be her vp to balance out her temperament.

Obama couldn't be eaten alive because any attack on any part of his character, ever, could be attributed by all the members of his party as racism. Everyone would believe that all attacks will be seen as racism because the DFL plays the all-minorities-are-victims card well and often.

How about Condi for VP? With Jeb running for president. My impression of Condi is that she is wound up so tightly her crap probably comes out twisted. She isn't the fun-loving-crash-your-mountain-bike-on-the-ranch type of candidate that W is. People like that. I think if the Republicans wanted to go after a new demographic, the african american vote, adding Rice to the ticket might be a good idea. In which case Obama would have to be added to the Democratic ticket because he definetly trumps Rice.

Do you know if Karl Rove is going to help with the next election? I think he would be the key to another republic victory.

[booyalab]

How about Condi for VP? With Jeb running for president. My impression of Condi is that she is wound up so tightly her crap probably comes out twisted. She isn't the fun-loving-crash-your-mountain-bike-on-the-ranch type of candidate that W is. People like that. I think if the Republicans wanted to go after a new demographic, the african american vote, adding Rice to the ticket might be a good idea. In which case Obama would have to be added to the Democratic ticket because he definetly trumps Rice.

Do you know if Karl Rove is going to help with the next election? I think he would be the key to another republic victory.

For the GOP's part, the main reason Obama trumps Rice is because he's a prominent BLACK DFLer who's got mega expectations to fulfill...and he's got those sappy harmonious ideas that liberals love. At least Rice has shown herself to be competent (not saying that Obama isnt incompetent, just saying we dont know he is yet), though granted she seems wound up. I'm biased, as I tend to dislike politicians who rely on style over substance (Edwards...ewww), but I know style is what people fall for.

I dont know, but I would be interested in finding out whether Karl Rove is indeed helping with the next election.

[mgb]

For the GOP's part, the main reason Obama trumps Rice is because he's a prominent BLACK DFLer who's got mega expectations to fulfill...and he's got those sappy harmonious ideas that liberals love. At least Rice has shown herself to be competent (not saying that Obama isnt incompetent, just saying we dont know he is yet), though granted she seems wound up. I'm biased, as I tend to dislike politicians who rely on style over substance (Edwards...ewww), but I know style is what people fall for.

I dont know, but I would be interested in finding out whether Karl Rove is indeed helping with the next election.

I completely agree about you black DFLer assertion.

I think the 9/11 commission took away a lot of Rice's appearance of competency though. I mean, I don't think she is stupid (just because she is from Alabama) but that hurt her a lot. Its easier to remember one bad thing than 10 good things especially when there are a constant barrage of commercials reminding you of the bad things.

Obama would be another Edwards though. I liked Edwards (compared to Bush, Cheney and Kerry) because he didn't seem like some sort of corporate lackie. I don't think he should have been president and I don't think he was the best running mate either. Obama would just "sugar coat" the ballot the same way Edwards did. He might end up being a great politician but if he gets used in the next election I don't think he'll have that chance.

[booyalab]

I completely agree about you black DFLer assertion.

I think the 9/11 commission took away a lot of Rice's appearance of competency though. I mean, I don't think she is stupid (just because she is from Alabama) but that hurt her a lot. Its easier to remember one bad thing than 10 good things especially when there are a constant barrage of commercials reminding you of the bad things.

Obama would be another Edwards though. I liked Edwards (compared to Bush, Cheney and Kerry) because he didn't seem like some sort of corporate lackie. I don't think he should have been president and I don't think he was the best running mate either. Obama would just "sugar coat" the ballot the same way Edwards did. He might end up being a great politician but if he gets used in the next election I don't think he'll have that chance.

I don't understand how some people construe everyone who has ties to a corporation as being a corporate lackie. As if corporation isn't an entity made up of people, but rather an entity independent and in control of the people who make it up. It stinks of rhetoric. I mean, if Cheney was really in this for the money.....well he wouldn't be!...he made way more money being a CEO. Anyways, that's another discussion. (so is the one we're having....oh well)
It seems to me that both parties have their so-called lackies. Obama for instance, is probably doing this to make a difference and the DFL is probably using him to cement the idea in everyone's mind that they're the socially superior party.

[Anacaona]

I would like to see Condy run... I'd vote for her
I too, hope that she will run...

[jimkopelli]

A while back, someone asked Powell if he had plans on running for prez... and all he said was that he was working for the prez, so no. This was back during Bill, I think. Now that he's not... I'd vote for him, if/when he decides to run... he's probably just gonna take a vacation for a while. Bout three years, maybe.

[inignot]

I remember meeting Gen Colin Powell when he was Chairman of the Joint Chiefs when I worked at the Pentagon back around 90-91. He was with about 4 or 5 other high ranking officers coming down the hall as I was coming toward them. He was the only one who said "Hi. How are you doing?" It's a simple (and to some pointless) story, but it still sticks with me to this day and shows me that he is a down to earth guy even being as important as he is.

[Spartan26]

Powell had been rumored to go for a while. I heard as far back as when he had to do his little slide show for the UN on Iraq. Amazing party loyalty.

Of course, there's always going to be personal reasons for leaving the Cabinet, but when you sign on wouldn't you expect it to be an 8 year gig? Plus some casulties are just fall guys for certain problems. Does anyone know what the "normal" turnover rate is for incumbent Presidents? At what point does it become a sign of trouble at the top?

[mgb]

I don't understand how some people construe everyone who has ties to a corporation as being a corporate lackie. As if corporation isn't an entity made up of people, but rather an entity independent and in control of the people who make it up. It stinks of rhetoric. I mean, if Cheney was really in this for the money.....well he wouldn't be!...he made way more money being a CEO. Anyways, that's another discussion. (so is the one we're having....oh well)
It seems to me that both parties have their so-called lackies. Obama for instance, is probably doing this to make a difference and the DFL is probably using him to cement the idea in everyone's mind that they're the socially superior party.

Aren't the Democrats the socially superior party? Haa haa, so don't want to get into that.

I would say that after you have collected so much money it becomes a lot easier to begin to search for power. When your fortune comes from corporate interests you might feel inclined to give a little back. I'll use Kerry for the example. Is he going to sign a bill that allows a heavy tax on tomatoes or for that matter the import of tomatoes or tomato based products? No, because it got him into office.

I think dismissing this as simple rhetoric is pretty dangerous. Does it not scare you as a voter to know that you have less ability than a corporation when it comes to getting the ear of a politician? How much did you contribute to the campaigns? 1 million? 2 million? I know you can't give that much so you probably funded some television ads. Right? Your vote didn't get anyone closer to being in office the millions given to support the campaign did. Do you think Bush is going to take your phone call if you called and said that you had voted for him? No way. What if you called and said you voted for him and that you gave a few million to the campaign? Probably a little easier to get through the switchboard. I use Bush as an example but the same thing would have happened with Kerry in office.

[Groty]

I think dismissing this as simple rhetoric is pretty dangerous. Does it not scare you as a voter to know that you have less ability than a corporation when it comes to getting the ear of a politician? How much did you contribute to the campaigns? 1 million? 2 million? I know you can't give that much so you probably funded some television ads. Right?
He'd not only take your phone calls, but he'd also make you an Ambassador to a really cool country, like maybe Bermuda.

This is really cool: http://www.opensecrets.org/bush/ambassadors/index.asp

[jimkopelli]

He'd not only take your phone calls, but he'd also make you an Ambassador to a really cool country, like maybe Bermuda.

This is really cool: http://www.opensecrets.org/bush/ambassadors/index.asp


Does this remind anyone of the spoils system at all? Hmm...