Abortion until "adult" age.

[jittus rye]

Do you think it would be a good idea to have a state regulated abortion system for parents to abort their children if they weren't quite as good as they could be?

[spasmfrog]

No, but I have certainly met some people who deserved retroactive birth control.

[jittus rye]

Well the benefits of such a system is it yields a defined "better" average citizen.

[cafe]

No, but my oldest only just turned 13. I may feel differently before I have all four raised.

[outmywindow]

Only if the corpses are used to make delicious Soylent Green.

[spasmfrog]

Well the benefits of such a system is it yields a defined "better" average citizen.
As does sterilization of undesirables so that they don't continue to pollute the gene pool, but whose place is it to define "desirable"?

[jittus rye]

The government, of course.

[spasmfrog]

The government, of course.
:rofl:

[EmmaPeel]

Do you think it would be a good idea to have a state regulated abortion system for parents to abort their children if they weren't quite as good as they could be?

No one wants to abort "children." They want to abort a mass of cells which have the potential of developing into a child but have not done so yet. The sex of the fetus cannot be determined in the first trimester. Also, I'm not even sure there are enough organs to sustain a life. This is the reason why they put time limits on when a woman can have an abortion.

That said, I do not think abortion is a good thing. Sure, some people need it as a last resort, but no one wants to have a rapist's child. When children get pregnant, it's probably best for all that she not go through with the pregnancy. From what I've heard, most women who do go through with it still feel guilty and gross, so punishment is usually built in. And then there are always those who don't. It's still safer for women to have abortions legally than to sneak abortions as they did in the old days.

To answer your question, ... actually I'm not sure what you are asking here. Do you mean if they find out that the child will be a girl and not a boy? Or have a genetic problem? Or have brown hair instead of blonde? I do not think parents should have the option to abort just because one stupid factor (eg sex). However, aborting if the child will have a severe genetic problem seems okay. It also depends on how bad the condition is likely to get.

[EmmaPeel]

No, but I have certainly met some people who deserved retroactive birth control.
:lol:

[Dom]

To answer your question, ... actually I'm not sure what you are asking here. Do you mean if they find out that the child will be a girl and not a boy? Or have a genetic problem? Or have brown hair instead of blonde? I do not think parents should have the option to abort just because one stupid factor (eg sex). However, aborting if the child will have a severe genetic problem seems okay. It also depends on how bad the condition is likely to get.

He means aborting them once they reach adulthood, if they turn out to be 'undesireable' or ' not the best they could be'

[mgb]

Moved to the world. It's a little bit of touchy issue for the local pub.

[mancroft]

Only if the corpses are used to make delicious Soylent Green.

Yummy!!!

I'm off to lunch.

[zhang_bob]

Well I don`t know about in the US, but here 14-year-olds don`t have to tell their parents if they have a abortion, due to "patients confidentiality".

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/05/13/nabor13.xml&sSheet=/news/2004/05/13/ixnewstop.html
http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/nottinghamshire/3709681.stm

My view of abortion is the same whatever the age of the person having the abortion. If I had children and they had a abortion, I would disown and disinherit them. I could not promise their life would not be in immediate danger.

[Dom]

Well I don`t know about in the US, but here 14-year-olds don`t have to tell their parents if they have a abortion, due to "patients confidentiality".

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/05/13/nabor13.xml&sSheet=/news/2004/05/13/ixnewstop.html
http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/nottinghamshire/3709681.stm

My view of abortion is the same whatever the age of the person having the abortion. If I had children and they had a abortion, I would disown and disinherit them. I could not promise their life would not be in immediate danger.

NO!!! He means, aborting a child who is up to the age of 18, so if your pissy teenager is going off the rails you could have them aborted! Not the pissy teenager having an abortion!

[Architectonic]

My view of abortion is the same whatever the age of the person having the abortion. If I had children and they had a abortion, I would disown and disinherit them. I could not promise their life would not be in immediate danger.

We're not talking about children having abortions, we're talking about aborting children. :ph34r:

[zhang_bob]

We're not talking about children having abortions, we're talking about aborting children. :ph34r:

I did not read the title. I went on it as it was in The World forum. So why the hell is it not in Purgatory?


NO!!! He means, aborting a child who is up to the age of 18, so if your pissy teenager is going off the rails you could have them aborted!
If we are talking about that I vote "Yes, (elaborate).", in other words Nemesis.:)

[earwax]

My view of abortion is the same whatever the age of the person having the abortion. If I had children and they had a abortion, I would disown and disinherit them. I could not promise their life would not be in immediate danger.
Even though he totally missed the point - does anyone else see a MAJOR contradiction here?

[zhang_bob]

Even though he totally missed the point - does anyone else see a MAJOR contradiction here?The "I could not promise their life would not be in immediate danger" part, but that was just my way of saying I would be pissed off. It was not supposed to be taken literally. I sand by everything I said in that post.

[attila_the_hunny]

If this were so, I think most of us would be aborted by our SJ/SP parents.

[jittus rye]

Looking back, I'd like to change the wording of both parents to sum of highest legal guardians, and one parent to minimum unit of highest legal guardians.

By allowing this type of abortion program the government could be nearly a breath away from a totalitarian reigme. If you control the basic unit of life, you're quite on your way.

[Lurker]

No, parents should have to tough it out with the monster they create.

[mr. treat]

hmm... i've seen some dumb threads in my time, but this takes the cake.

[booyalab]

No one wants to abort "children." They want to abort a mass of cells which have the potential of developing into a child but have not done so yet.
do you know what a "partial-birth" abortion looks like?
It doesn't look like an extermination of a mass of cells

[outmywindow]

do you know what a "partial-birth" abortion looks like?
It doesn't look like an extermination of a mass of cells

I've never understood partial-birth abortions. If a mother is willing to let the kid stay around so far into the pregnancy, why not just let it go to term then give it up for adoption?

[booyalab]

I've never understood partial-birth abortions. If a mother is willing to let the kid stay around so far into the pregnancy, why not just let it go to term then give it up for adoption?
well that's easy, some people are evil morons.
edit: also the doctor wouldn't get any money if the mother was to put the infant up for adoption

The worst part about the partial birth abortion is that abortion rights advocates suppress all of the information surrounding it and use the least descriptive, most pc terminology possible. This is due to the fact that the process is incredibly grotesque and inhumane.
1. The only purpose for it is legal, unlike some other earlier term abortions that may have perceived medical necessity. Since part of the baby is inside the mother, the doctor and mother can't be indicted for murder.
2. Scissors are jammed into the baby's skull (which is still soft for newborns)
3. The baby flinches in pain, which is not a common reaction from something that is simply a mass of cells
4. brains are sucked out

[earwax]

The "I could not promise their life would not be in immediate danger" part, but that was just my way of saying I would be pissed off. It was not supposed to be taken literally. I sand by everything I said in that post.
It just reminded me of the "pro-lifers" I have spoken with who feel that ALL life is sacred - just before they turn around and advocate the death penalty.

[pavel_lishin]

This was the worst phrased question ever.

[puppetbat]

:banghead:
All abortions are horrible. I used to room with two girls who worked in a clinic and they know first-hand how horrible it is. They came home very upset some days. They feared being shot or blown up by radical prolifers every single day. I can't imagine what it would feel like to be scared for my life at work every single day. They were not evil people. They were not morons. They were some of the most caring women I've ever known. They would grieve for the children that would never be, and they would counsel women who they thought were making the wrong choice to think about not aborting. It's propaganda to paint them as these anti-baby crazy dyke murderers.

I'm not a fan of abortion. We used to fight about it a lot. And I still don't like what those girls do, but I understand why they do it.

Partial-birth abortions are rare, dangerous, and many abortion providers do not perform them. Don't make it sound like it's a common procedure. Depending on whose figures you use, they are 1% - 2% of the total procedures performed in the USA. It happens, yes, and it's horrible, yes, but how it is any more or less horrible than any other abortion procedure?
- All abortions kill a fetus.
- All surgical (non-medication-induced) abortion pocedures involve suction, brains or otherwise
- Unless the abortion is performed before the 5th week, baby feels pain

To imply that the women who have late-term abortions do so because they are evil morons is ridiculous and makes you sound ridiculous.

Abortion is horrible, regardless of whether you support it or not. There's no way to get around that fact. The debate is not about whether or not it's a horrible thing. The debate is whether or not it should continue to be legal.

If (when) Roe v. Wade is overturned, abortion procedures will not magically disappear from the earth. Babies who are aborted will not stop feeling pain before they die. Abortion rates will not decrease - they'll just stop being recorded. And as long as we don't know about it, and as long as we can't see it, and as long as we can't make regulations to ensure that it's safe and sterile, then it's not happening, right?

That sounds like a great plan. Let's run with that.

[SeierTapt]

I see no good reason to support such "abortions". Though I suppose I can make an exception if the child is born with 3 extra limbs and severely retarded or something. If this was ever to be allowed by law, espcially up to ages like 5 and beyond, it would have to be extremely well-regulated. This seems like the great idea of aborting old people when the are weak and senile, except on the other extreme.

[pavel_lishin]

I see no good reason to support such "abortions". Though I suppose I can make an exception if the child is born with 3 extra limbs and severely retarded or something.

That's the kind of thing that should be obvious to anyone who receives any pre-natal care, shouldn't it?

And if they're not receiving pre-natal care, odds are they can just hit the baby with a rock and hide it under a tree, and nobody will ever know better.

[SeierTapt]

That's the kind of thing that should be obvious to anyone who receives any pre-natal care, shouldn't it?

And if they're not receiving pre-natal care, odds are they can just hit the baby with a rock and hide it under a tree, and nobody will ever know better.

I was reffering to what someone said earlier about if the child is born, whether they knew it would be born like that or not, with genetic problems or something. The parents may want to let the child be born and see if it can make it well enough in life, but if the case eventually proves otherwise, bring out the rock.

[jittus rye]

In such a system, killing the child would be a crime, you'd have to take it to the professionals.

[melancholeric]

Can we abort this thread because well, it's retarded?

[Stoic]

Can we abort this thread because well, it's retarded?

I would rather send it to a special school.

[pavel_lishin]

Can we abort this thread because well, it's retarded?

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