INTP Secret Society

[PsiKik]

How about starting an INTP secret society?

We can have cool things a secret society has like
- initiation ceremonies
- oaths of loyalty
- membership by invitation only
- lifelong membership
- help each other out above others

The ultimate goal will be world political and economic domination - a bit like the Skull and Bones society but without the uncool skull and death imagery.

Perhaps we can have a secret handshake or greeting so we can know each other.

It will have to have a name that only members will know eg. "The Kiersian Collective" or "Eye Enter The Place".
Think of some names that a self respecting INTP society would have. Nothing to arouse the suspicions of the ESTJ's.

What other goasl could we have, other than the obvious world domination?

[INTrPosr]

I like PsiKik... Count me in!! My question is how do you determine who the true INTPs are, if it is going to be exclusive. I would think there would have to be some test which only a true INTP could respond with the appropriate answers. Since anyone can fake a personality test, that would be too easy.

[Birdsnest]

You would need to have someone design an exclusive bumper sticker that could be uploaded here, and printed out by all. This bumper sticker/logo could be put in the back of our car windows, or on top of our monitors at work so we could start to recognize each other.

It might be a small symbol, like a little INTP bug made out of papier mache, or an alien, painted green and blue, and screened onto shirts, or bumper stickers.

INTP artists can submit their renderings and we can vote on a logo?

It could be an "intellectual" society. But it needs not to be a cult, or it will be looked at too closely, and it needs not to have anything 'illegal' associated with it.

[NGene]

It could be an "intellectual" society. But it needs not to be a cult, or it will be looked at too closely, and it needs not to have anything 'illegal' associated with it.
It could be a cult in the disguise of an intellectual society!

But like INTrPosr said, there should be a reliable way of determining the true INTPs. A huge herd of pseudo-INTPs would just ruin the secret society.

[synchronous]

Yeah, maybe we could all meet once a week or once a month, and share our common energy. Get together and have group sex as a ritual at every meeting. Given that INTPs don't make good mates anyways, this could be a pragmatic solution to 'getting it' without the usual mating ties that bind us. Lol ;)

[Division56]

We could have our own secret section of the forum, which can only be seen by the invited.

Like the moderator's corner, except with less gossip about Shay's ass.

[Vagabond]

God no. That's too social for me. I am sp first.

[Zero Angel]

True about the psuedo INTJs. Exclusion is fun!

[Boneca]

Gosh. I have just read "The Da Vinci Code", so when I read the words "secret society" I started to think about ritual sex orgies. :rofl:

But well, sort of like a revenge of the Schizoids then? Could work. But a secret handshake sounds a bit too...social. Wouldn't it do with a secret sign of some sort, such as touching your left ear at the same time as you wink with your right eye?

I also think we should lobby against the general J-ness of this world. It should be a personal right to start work when you want in the morning! :devil:

[Nindy]

Gosh. I have just read "The Da Vinci Code", so when I read the words "secret society" I started to think about ritual sex orgies. :rofl:
Ssssshhhh; I'm still reading that!!!:mad::p


But well, sort of like a revenge of the Schizoids then? Could work. But a secret handshake sounds a bit too...social. Wouldn't it do with a secret sign of some sort, such as touching your left ear at the same time as you wink with your right eye?

I also think we should lobby against the general J-ness of this world. It should be a personal right to start work when you want in the morning! :devil:
*nods excessively*

[Dengarm]

No, we need a phrase thingy. Like -

A: Read any good books lately?
B: I'm reading 'Where Am I Now When I Need Me'.
A: That has the most depressing happy ending.

or something like that. We can make a better one that that, it was just what come to mind first.

[PsiKik]

Project For The New INTP Century.

This is a prelim sketch of the ideas for the elite INTP secret society.
Please add comments and suggestions. Perhaps this could be the beginning
of a FAQ for the society.

The 3 stages as I currently see them are as follows:

1) Establish a secret society to further the goals, ambitions, desires
of those of the MBTI type 'INTP'. World domination is one of these goals.
In the following text, the term 'society' refers to this elite group.
Cool things like initiation ceremonies, secret signs, coded language etc. must
be figured out.

2) Establish a 'cult' of people who are not INTP who will do our bidding, provide
income for us so we don't have to, allowing us to concentrate on more
worthwhile activities, like learning Linux programming, studying
medieval fertility rites or taking over the world.
In the following text, the 'cult' refers to those who will form the group
of such workers.

3) Figure out what we want to do and do it.

----

A study will be made of current and previous cults to determine
how we will go about establishing one with regard to the following:

* belief systems of cults, how we will construct a believable
religion for the prospective members that will appeal to our target
membership.

* identify the spectrum of people that will be desirable as 'cult' members
in regard to the tasks they will perform
1) agricultural laborers to grow food
2) sex slaves
3) assasins to eliminate our enemies
4) expert hypnotists to be used to influence political, and military
people
5) practicioners expert in voodoo and other dark arts, see #3
6) electronics and computer experts, at some time we will need to
take over the broadcast media infrastructure
7) telepaths with the ability to contact aliens - alien military
technology will be required to neutralise the worlds military.

8) Please add others, basically types that would be useful

The 'cult' must be self sustaining, perhaps some aspects modelled on the Waco
group, i.e. cool compound out in the wilderness.
The 'cult' must not draw the attention of the authorities i.e. no guns( at least
not shown openly ). Nothing too weird to draw unwelcome attention.

We of the 'Society' will rarely if ever interact with the 'cultists'.
If we ever do have to interact with them, we will be know as 'The Elders'
or some simmilar title. An INTP of suitable temperament could possible
perform the role of leader for the 'cult', though I wonder if this is possible.

We in the 'society' must have subdivisions of skills that we
will identify and master in order to further our
aims, consolidate our position.
Some of the initial positions might be:

1) propagandists - we must be expert media manipulators

2) social scientists - we must understand the complex
system that is human nature, in order to exploit it. see #1.

3) expert Oija board operators - the ability to contact the dead
would be most useful.

[PsiKik]

I like PsiKik... Count me in!! My question is how do you determine who the true INTPs are, if it is going to be exclusive. I would think there would have to be some test which only a true INTP could respond with the appropriate answers. Since anyone can fake a personality test, that would be too easy.

Very good question.
We could have hackers monitoring web sites doing MBTI tests and then trace
those who are INTP, then have them under surveilance to determine if theyre legit.
Psychologists doing MBTI could be recruited, if theyre INTP.

As our power grows, there may be people such as journalists who would want to infiltrate our society.

[Aryan]

Hmm... know about the latest news headlines:

INTPs plot to dominate this world, and do nothing ! (that'll explain an INTP)

PS: this has been borowwed :)

[Boneca]

Project For The New INTP Century.

This is a prelim sketch of the ideas for the elite INTP secret society.
Please add comments and suggestions. Perhaps this could be the beginning
of a FAQ for the society.

The 3 stages as I currently see them are as follows:

1) Establish a secret society to further the goals, ambitions, desires
of those of the MBTI type 'INTP'. World domination is one of these goals.
In the following text, the term 'society' refers to this elite group.
Cool things like initiation ceremonies, secret signs, coded language etc. must
be figured out.

2) Establish a 'cult' of people who are not INTP who will do our bidding, provide
income for us so we don't have to, allowing us to concentrate on more
worthwhile activities, like learning Linux programming, studying
medieval fertility rites or taking over the world.
In the following text, the 'cult' refers to those who will form the group
of such workers.

3) Figure out what we want to do and do it.

----

A study will be made of current and previous cults to determine
how we will go about establishing one with regard to the following:

* belief systems of cults, how we will construct a believable
religion for the prospective members that will appeal to our target
membership.

* identify the spectrum of people that will be desirable as 'cult' members
in regard to the tasks they will perform
1) agricultural laborers to grow food
2) sex slaves
3) assasins to eliminate our enemies
4) expert hypnotists to be used to influence political, and military
people
5) practicioners expert in voodoo and other dark arts, see #3
6) electronics and computer experts, at some time we will need to
take over the broadcast media infrastructure
7) telepaths with the ability to contact aliens - alien military
technology will be required to neutralise the worlds military.

8) Please add others, basically types that would be useful

The 'cult' must be self sustaining, perhaps some aspects modelled on the Waco
group, i.e. cool compound out in the wilderness.
The 'cult' must not draw the attention of the authorities i.e. no guns( at least
not shown openly ). Nothing too weird to draw unwelcome attention.

We of the 'Society' will rarely if ever interact with the 'cultists'.
If we ever do have to interact with them, we will be know as 'The Elders'
or some simmilar title. An INTP of suitable temperament could possible
perform the role of leader for the 'cult', though I wonder if this is possible.

We in the 'society' must have subdivisions of skills that we
will identify and master in order to further our
aims, consolidate our position.
Some of the initial positions might be:

1) propagandists - we must be expert media manipulators

2) social scientists - we must understand the complex
system that is human nature, in order to exploit it. see #1.

3) expert Oija board operators - the ability to contact the dead
would be most useful.
PsiKik, you are my hero! :lol:

I think that for the cult leader, we may have to hypnotize an ENTJ to do our bidding, they have the right charisma. That means, we'll have to find a good hypnotizer already in an early phase. Perhaps one of us is interested in learning the skill? (I think any hypnotist should be INTP for safety reasons...:D)

About contact with aliens...are aliens INTPs? If not, can they be trusted (or dominated?). We may have to hire an NF to communicate with them, but if we only convince said NF that he/she is indeed acting to save the world, that should be no problem.

I also think we should avoid SP's in the cult. They are hard to control and generally useless. SJ's on the other hand just scream to get abused, don't they? :devil:

I hereby apply for the position as social scientist. I would love to help designing this cult!

Does anybody out here have some unusual talent, like being able to communicate with the dead/aliens/animals, thought reading, expert manipulation skills or any useful form of magic? We need you!

[mgb]

Project For The New INTP Century.

That is an excellent reference. Well done.

[mgb]

What you need is a front to screen potential INTPs. Like this forum. After a certain amount of time and several "tests" invitation to join can be made.

The problem with the group is hazing. Its pretty essential to creating group coherence (especially after the initial group establishes everything) and INTPs won't take too kindly to that. How can you establish a hierarchy within the INTPs that works and doesn't crumble after a short amount of time? I can see how easy it will be to control the other MBTIs but I can see dissention among the INTP ranks being the greatest problem.

[Birdsnest]

If I were designing a secret society, it would be to increase our "Lucid Dreaming" abilities. On a monthly basis, we could attempt to meet each other in their dreams, lets say, meet in Greece or Rome dressed in togas, as our first assignment. Once we greet each other in togas in our dreamworld, we could learn to astral travel to each others homes, and describe to each other what we saw there at this forum.

Upon completion of Lucid competance, we could find a common ground that we agree we want to "concentrate" on, perhaps to focus our mental capacities on generating more world peace, perhaps ending terrorism, perhaps on making a democratic society more prevalent for the next election, something humanitarian and GOOD, something that shows we are evolved.

[Avengardh]

Hm, I think it will be hard to figure out who isn't an INTP and who is.
I would throw out logos if they were needed, but, it doesn't seem like we are progressing much, hehe.

(Still tell me if you want a logo...I don't mind making them).

[Vagabond]

Bleh. Good luck beating ENTJs in this world domination thing. :p

(I think I will stay in my cave. Society is a curse, hell is other people and all that...)

[candela]

Cool idea. Doesn't look like it'll happen.

[Groty]

Project For The New INTP Century...
Seems alot like the Illuminati! Did you steal this?

Count me in.

[enydona]

We shall rise and conquer!

(Beware: the people who most want to lead are the people who are least likely to make good leaders)

[PsiKik]

Upon completion of Lucid competance, we could find a common ground that we agree we want to "concentrate" on, perhaps to focus our mental capacities on generating more world peace, perhaps ending terrorism, perhaps on making a democratic society more prevalent for the next election, something humanitarian and GOOD, something that shows we are evolved.

These are indeed noble goals. However secret societies are secret because
their goals are power, control and brutal self-interest. The easiest way to such goals are thru means the opposite of what you describe.

[jimkopelli]

(Beware: the people who most want to lead are the people who are least likely to make good leaders)
Exactly what I've been saying.

[PsiKik]

I hereby apply for the position as social scientist. I would love to help designing this cult!

Does anybody out here have some unusual talent, like being able to communicate with the dead/aliens/animals, thought reading, expert manipulation skills or any useful form of magic? We need you!

Position granted!

The phenomenon of cults fascinates me. I never would be a cult member, the
social control mechanisms are just to obvious to me. I could imagine the structure of a cult, but would not have the E to be a leader.

The cult must be designed thus:
Appeal to enough people with suitable qualities/savings/assets. On
acceptance into the cult the new member is to give up all material things and worldy goods to the 'community', which of course gets transfered to a numbered Swiss bank account in our control! muhahaha.

There has to be some philosophy the cult is based on. Perhaps a doomsday phenomenon? How about the world is going to end on March 24 2012 when
the earth is struck by a giant pancake.

[PsiKik]

Seems alot like the Illuminati! Did you steal this?

Count me in.

I am aware of the Illuminati, their methods and success are to be admired and
emulated. muhahahaha.
Surely the secret society of secret societies.

For some really hilarious Illuminati conspiracy theory see www.davidicke.com/icke/temp/globalgovernance.html

[nobarcode]

We could have our own secret section of the forum, which can only be seen by the invited.

Like the moderator's corner, except with less gossip about Shay's ass.

Fuck the Secret Society. What's this about shaytana's ass????

[synchronous]

I think that for the cult leader, we may have to hypnotize an ENTJ to do our bidding, they have the right charisma. That means, we'll have to find a good hypnotizer already in an early phase. Perhaps one of us is interested in learning the skill? (I think any hypnotist should be INTP for safety reasons...:D)

Hypnotize an ENTJ?? I'd like to witness that.

[synchronous]

I think members who procreate and deliver an NT should qualify for a lifetime membership. Producing another INTP, the member should receive a lifetime achievement award.

[ohnoaninfp]

What about us, who are not INTPs?

[Aryan]

Es vin bag mei nurien folren du tac!

Maybe we should have some secret code in our own INTP style.



Hm, I think it will be hard to figure out who isn't an INTP and who is.
I would throw out logos if they were needed, but, it doesn't seem like we are progressing much, hehe.

(Still tell me if you want a logo...I don't mind making them).


I also think making this logo would be interesting enough :)

[booyalab]

I'm torn between wanting to join this society and then later betray you all and ruin everything..since secret societies are only good for betraying and ruining, or join..then lie low..and plan on taking over the whole thing.

[mgb]

Hypnotize an ENTJ?? I'd like to witness that.

You don't have to hypnotize them, just dangle some power in front of them.

[Boneca]

Quote from that site about conspiratory theories:

I was told two years ago by a CIA scientist working against his will that in truth microchips were so small they were being inserted by injection during "vacination."
That was the whackiest I've heard in a long time! I do both vaccination and microchipping (for cats!) and I can tell you there isn't a chance in hell you'd be able to confuse a microchip gun with a syringe!


There has to be some philosophy the cult is based on. Perhaps a doomsday phenomenon? How about the world is going to end on March 24 2012 when
the earth is struck by a giant pancake.
I like doomsday cults. But that Earth-will-be-hit-with-piece-of-space-junk crap has been overused in movies.
I have a another idea: why don't we say the sun will explode? It's new, it's understandable to the masses and we get to use the words "nuclear explosion"!
We just have to set a suitable date (well after our planned overtake of the world, naturally) and we can work out at a believable theory from that.


Hypnotize an ENTJ?? I'd like to witness that.
If they cannot be hypnotized, we've got a problem. It's not like they are going bow down to us volontarily.
What we could do is perhaps to convince the SJs that ENTJs are clinically insane and get them restrained?


What about us, who are not INTPs?
You know too much! :laser:

Just kidding - you can help us. Can you communicate with aliens?

And perhaps, if we microchipped the SJ's or something, we could devise a remote control for Vagabond, so she can participate without being social?

[Birdsnest]

Avengardh and other artists, yes, design some logos, I would think if we could see several, we could vote on one that we all like. Don't exclude the idea of a roach though, particularly if this is an "end of the world" cult. Roaches are said to survive the end of the world. But other bugs are also pretty hardy, and would probably come thru.

Anyway, yes, yes, design some logos, please!

[Sam172]

I'm not an INTP (at least I don't think ¬_¬....but i'm ish there), and I have the amazing talent of being able to beat everyone I have ever tried in a hypnotic stare contest. I can also juggle (useful for amazing a foolish E, while planting the microchip into the back of the cranium).
I'm working on the alien contacting...

Can I be of assistance to the cult?

[KentOhio]

Mgbradsh is right... INTP's have no respect for authority. There can be no heirarchy, or it will fall. All INTP's must be equal members. Furthermore, I suggest that a ring be issued to each one of us, a special ring emblazened with our secret symbol. I can not here reveal the secret symbol, nor the material of the ring, nor upon which finger the ring must be worn, for, if upon the wrong finger the ring is worn, the wearer is, in fact, not of the society, but has come to own the ring in an illigitimate manner, inconsistent with that of being a true INTP, and must be recognized as such, theretofor suffering the punishment doled out to infiltrators, which itself is a secret as well.

[Avengardh]

Hn, I will see what I can turn up...won't promise anything, but if you want to throw out ideas at me just PM me or post them here, I am sure they will be appreciated (aside for the roach.....hn....).

[Boneca]

Sam's post made me realise something - we must decide what to do with the INTJs!
Should they be seen as allies (having most of the same qualities as us), or should they go in the same bin as the ENTx types, i.e. potentially dangerous rivals for world domination?
Hm. Are INTJs people too? This is an interesting ethical question - maybe we should make a poll. ;)

We could also have some kind of supporting membership. People of other types could be tested for dependability, and then earn a special badge that says "I am an INTP-ophile" or something like that. This would of course grant them certain privileges in the New INTP World Order.

[PsiKik]

This started out as an idea for an exclusive, INTP only society, however
left to ourselves we will never complete it so we need "implementors".

The implementors must be people who see the wisdom of the structure of INTP being the architects and refiners of plans, structures etc to be carried out by them.

The inherent danger of such an arrangement is a coup where the implementors take over
and the INTP's are once again relegated to positions where they are unable to influence the direction
of the society, as is now the case with most organisations.
Are there possible safeguards, organisation of the 'society' to prevent this?

In order for the society to remain suitably sinister and secretive
the core membership will remain INTP only. The best a non INTP can hope
for is to be a trusted implementor.

[Avengardh]

This started out as an idea for an exclusive, INTP only society, however
left to ourselves we will never complete it so we need "implementors".

The implementors must be people who see the wisdom of the structure of INTP being the architects and refiners of plans, structures etc to be carried out by them.

The inherent danger of such an arrangement is a coup where the implementors take over
and the INTP's are once again relegated to positions where they are unable to influence the direction
of the society, as is now the case with most organisations.
Are there possible safeguards, organisation of the 'society' to prevent this?

In order for the society to remain suitably sinister and secretive
the core membership will remain INTP only. The best a non INTP can hope
for is to be a trusted implementor. If you really want to see this through you're going to have to get the INTPs with the J-tendencies (and probably with a well developed E), as well as ask many people to make a committment, and give their word that they can do this and are willing to do this.

Another thing that you probably want to think about is money, anything needs it, I suggest getting a substantial amount before trying to organize anything.
Those are just my suggestions.


Edit: And I don't agree with INTPs not being able to complete things, I think we can, a description doesn't keep us from still beating many other types on getting stuff done and getting it well done. It's just a matter of group work and getting the right people, I think.

~*Aven*~

[INTrPosr]

I'm torn between wanting to join this society and then later betray you all and ruin everything..since secret societies are only good for betraying and ruining, or join..then lie low..and plan on taking over the whole thing.Well....... at least you're honest Booyalab.

[Witticism]

http://www.illlogic.net/images/DarwinFishLicensePlate.jpg

I think we should have one of these except with INTP in the centre.

[ohnoaninfp]

What about INFPs? What are we to you? Am I barred from the society because I am not an INTP?

[HackerX]

What about INFPs? What are we to you? Am I barred from the society because I am not an INTP?

Pretty much :)

[ohnoaninfp]

That sucks

[SheepDog]

In a practical sense, the society already exists. All the rituals, symbols, rules, are already in place.

[ohnoaninfp]

You mean the forum is the secret society?

[SheepDog]

We'd never agree on anything or do anything about it, if there were such a society. So it's really the same thing as not having one...

[PsiKik]

LAst night I figured out how to create an INTP dominated secret society capable of taking over the world by
this time next year, ensuring world peace and prosperity. I have solved the problem
and must move on to something more challenging.

I had to delete the files to make space for my new interest -
designing a combination DVD writer and sandwich toaster controllable by
Eskimo body language and voice commands spoken in Esperanto.
(It will have the option of saving information into the DNA of the bread being toasted.
The delux version will be able to take an image file in .jpg or .gif format and
imprint the image on the bread/cheese filling being toasted.)

[Boneca]

Actually, I'm starting to think this whole thing with world domination is getting boring too.
If someone else is interested, I'll sell my ideas for 50¢ each. ;)

[PsiKik]

Actually, I'm starting to think this whole thing with world domination is getting boring too.
If someone else is interested, I'll sell my ideas for 50¢ each. ;)

Perhaps something more down to Earth, like a society to allow us to spend as
little time working(having to deal with mundane things) as possible, while others do our bidding.

[HackerX]

Actually, I'm starting to think this whole thing with world domination is getting boring too.
If someone else is interested, I'll sell my ideas for 50¢ each. ;)

If INTP's could sell their idea's for 50c each... we'd all be rich by now

[Tekka]

This sounds like fun. I've always wanted to try to TAKE OVER THE WORLD.

[PsiKik]

If INTP's could sell their idea's for 50c each... we'd all be rich by now
Hey great idea for the real INTP company/secret society. Others who need ideas or problems solved come to us and we generate ideas or solve their problems. A business that is totally mind/thought based and a career that could be most satisfying for an INTP.

[mgb]

Hey great idea for the real INTP company/secret society. Others who need ideas or problems solved come to us and we generate ideas or solve their problems. A business that is totally mind/thought based and a career that could be most satisfying for an INTP.


I think once we come up with a strategy for what the secret society will look like we should just pass it on to an SJ and have them file all the necessary paperwork for us. By "file" I mean do all the work. They love that stuff. Just black out the stuff they aren't allowed to see, hell that will probably make them want to do it more, like we will let them in on it because they did a good job.

Also, I vote we call the company/society "The Collective". Sounds mysterious.

[PsiKik]

I think once we come up with a strategy for what the secret society will look like we should just pass it on to an SJ and have them file all the necessary paperwork for us. By "file" I mean do all the work. They love that stuff. Just black out the stuff they aren't allowed to see, hell that will probably make them want to do it more, like we will let them in on it because they did a good job.

Also, I vote we call the company/society "The Collective". Sounds mysterious.

This is so true about the SJ's. They may complain about routine paperwork, ISO procedures, 'bythe book' etc, but they actually like it.

I think the core idea about the INTP company/society is to recruit SJ's and E's for those tasks we are not good at or don't want to do and delegate to them.
Seriously, secret societies and world domination aside, how about an organisational structure based on MBTI using these principles?

[mgb]

I think its a great idea to start organizing kids in school that way. Move up from there. I think each personality learns differently and the "tools" each personality needs later in life are completely different from one another.

[wills]

I would love to just have a a job just creating ideas, but there is more to having an organisation than that. Psikik I suspect you are very synical, the idea of mixing truth with fantasy, the truth is you actually want a club????

[wills]

i like the idea about an organisation based on MBTI principles, but all those in it would have to understand. what is the point anyway? hmmm, this is the first forum i have posted to, please dont flame me.

[prometheusdestroyed]

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Also, I vote we call the company/society "The Collective". Sounds mysterious.

That gets my vote. Makes me think of Stepford Children staring impassively at the uninitiated.

And an elite society where you just qualify and no effort at getting in through effort. Fantastic!

I'm right behind you.

Also I think the best sort of cult is one where you say "The son will explode/go nuclear etc if you don't keep up your work in the fields." That way there's no embarassing explanations required if a Domesday deadline passes.

[booyalab]

I'm still going to betray you all.

[booyalab]

i like the idea about an organisation based on MBTI principles, but all those in it would have to understand. what is the point anyway? hmmm, this is the first forum i have posted to, please dont flame me.


The Point is to magnify the egos of the INTPs who didn't do so well on the confidence test. (look! I'm martyring myself so you won't be flamed!)

[Zero Angel]

I will do the research on the best methods of betrayal and then maybe we could smuggle an INTJ in there to carry out our evil plotting.

[Witticism]

I reckon we should have some kind of heinous, creative punishment for people who we suspect of betrayal or conspiracy. Like maybe force-feeding them the brains of their beloved (or the motherboard of their beloved computer, in the case of INTPs) while tying them to a radiator with ropes made out of hair from someone's back (o hnar reference)

[Boneca]

...(or the motherboard of their beloved computer, in the case of INTPs) Ow, that's cruel! :shock:
Perhaps we could just hire some guardian Guardians? I'm sure they'll be happy to protect whatever values we've made them believe in.
(Who is it that has that quote "We are the Guardians. Surrender your intuition..." - I love it!)

On a (little) more serious note - isn't this kind of what the Myers-Briggs test was designed for? To allow for employers to put the "right person at the right place"? ENTJ in the lead, ESTJ as supervisor, ESFJ in customer support, INTP in the planning group, ISTP hidden in the basement etc.

[mgb]

I'm still going to betray you all.



Go ahead, who will believe you? The SJs? SPs? All the other NTs would think you are crazy and the NFs are too busy trying to start their own cults. You would sound like some sort of conspiracy theorist. That's when we'll get our revenge.....hee hee

[mgb]

The Point is to magnify the egos of the INTPs who didn't do so well on the confidence test. (look! I'm martyring myself so you won't be flamed!)

Yeah, you make as good a martyr as I would.

[mgb]

Ow, that's cruel! :shock:
Perhaps we could just hire some guardian Guardians? I'm sure they'll be happy to protect whatever values we've made them believe in.
(Who is it that has that quote "We are the Guardians. Surrender your intuition..." - I love it!)

That's the spirit ;)

[Witticism]

"Ow, that's cruel! :shock:"

Exactly! What kind of INTP would betray with that kind of punishment?
Not me, for sure. *cradles computer*
I think we should have a ring of SJs outside the HQ of the cult... Whoever wants to leave has to beat their way through dozens of them milling about, which is a daunting task for anyone.

[mgb]

[QUOTE=Boneca]Ow, that's cruel! :shock: [QUOTE]

Exactly! What kind of INTP would betray with that kind of punishment?
Not me, for sure. *cradles computer*
I think we should have a ring of SJs outside the HQ of the cult... Whoever wants to leave has to beat their way through dozens of them milling about, which is a daunting task for anyone.

Lets not use the word "cult" sounds so...Branch Dividian.

How about organization? Or corporation. We can even brand ourselves.

[Witticism]

Maybe "society"; or some name that makes us sound like a charity to make all the poor little NFs happy.

[mgb]

Maybe "society"; or some name that makes us sound like a charity to make all the poor little NFs happy.

I think we could have a societal branch. But we have to win over the Guardians. They have the numbers and work ethic to make this thing happen. We need to look like a bank or something to get them interested. We could incorporate some charitable actions in to bring the NFs into the fold.

[Boneca]

Right...we'll have to find a boring name to appeal to SJ's.
United INTP Inc.?
NT corporations?
International Intuitive Association?

Then we could let out a rumour that there is some secret "higher meaning" or whatever to our work...the NF's would love that, wouldn't they?

[Witticism]

Maybe a manufacturing company running one of those "box-tops for education and books for your illiterate little brat kiddies" schemes?
I think we should convince the NFs that the Guardians are poor souls who have hideous lives and need to be taken care of. And tell the Guardians the NFs are delusional and need to be guarded.

[Boneca]

Maybe a manufacturing company running one of those "box-tops for education and books for your illiterate little brat kiddies" schemes?
I think we should convince the NFs that the Guardians are poor souls who have hideous lives and need to be taken care of. And tell the Guardians the NFs are delusional and need to be guarded.Now we're talking! If we could only get the SP's into that equation, we have our world domination on a silver platter.
If there hadn't been so many of them we could simply have declared them insane, but we cannot afford that big mental institutions (remember, we need an extra secure cell for booyalab). Is there any way an SP could be useful? Can't think of any right now...

[mgb]

Now we're talking! If we could only get the SP's into that equation, we have our world domination on a silver platter.
If there hadn't been so many of them we could simply have declared them insane, but we cannot afford that big mental institutions (remember, we need an extra secure cell for booyalab). Is there any way an SP could be useful? Can't think of any right now...

What if we made it some sort of entertainment/publishing conglomerate. That should help the SPs. Wheeling and dealing, making records and publshing books (approved by us of course). Tons of backroom stuff to do for the SJs and the NFs could be the ones that come up with feel good ideas and help everyone get along.

[cloakable]

"We are the Guardians. Surrender your intuition..." - I love it!)
That would be me. Glad you like it :cheers:.
And feeding me my motherboard? Nooo! Next you'll be installing Windoze, and making me use AOL over a dial-up connection!

[booyalab]

I reckon we should have some kind of heinous, creative punishment for people who we suspect of betrayal or conspiracy. Like maybe force-feeding them the brains of their beloved (or the motherboard of their beloved computer, in the case of INTPs) while tying them to a radiator with ropes made out of hair from someone's back (o hnar reference)

In my experience, most INTPs are weak. Since I'm in better shape than most I'd be able to collectively kick your asses, or at least run away when met with punishment. Also, I doubt most other INTPs know how to shoot a gun, the ability to do so would give me the upper-hand when I take over/ruin everything.

[booyalab]

Also, if as you say, anytime someone is suspected of betrayal or conspiracy they are punished, I wouldn't even need to ruin this thing since it'd fall apart on its' own. Think about it, INTPs are by nature paranoid and private. All of those in charge of dishing out punishment would be constantly convinced that everyone else is talking of mutiny and all of the punishees would just be exhibiting our naturally cynical and secretive natures.

Maybe I'll just wait silently until the inevitable chaos ensues THEN take it over, no muss and no fuss on my part.

[mgb]

In my experience, most INTPs are weak. Since I'm in better shape than most I'd be able to collectively kick your asses, or at least run away when met with punishment. Also, I doubt most other INTPs know how to shoot a gun, the ability to do so would give me the upper-hand when I take over/ruin everything.

I think we just found our Seargent at Arms.

Booyalab: Runner/Gunner

hee hee

[knome]

Bah. Secret societies have been done. What we really need is an unsecret society. Leave it all open, most people would ignore it more. And what's with dominating the world? Who want to run _that_? I'd prefer just having a nice little society based around setting up an ideal world for me to do my thing in, with none of the dominating it bit. Just alter it some.

I'd say let anyone join as long as they want to further things toward this goal.

Of course if we go by the original plan I'm not sure we'll make it all the way to domination. I have a feeling we'd get so far and then lose interest with the power thing...


2) sex slaves

And the dealing with the conquered. Bleah, far too social.

[Boneca]

Bah. Secret societies have been done. What we really need is an unsecret society. Leave it all open, most people would ignore it more. And what's with dominating the world? Who want to run _that_? I'd prefer just having a nice little society based around setting up an ideal world for me to do my thing in, with none of the dominating it bit. Just alter it some.An unsecret society? Yeah, there's at least a novelty factor in that. And then booyalab can betray us all she wants, it still won't help. ;)
The thing with our world domination is that it's not the usual megalomaniac dictator deal, because honestly, why would I (or any INTP) want to actually run the world? That's why we'll keep hidden and let the SJ's run it for us.
I'm all for creating an alternative world, but the problem is space. Earth is crowded with SJ's who'd try to stop us, NF's whose cries when we step on their toes will disturb us, and SP's who are just annoying in general. So, unless we'd find a way to survive on the moon, we'll have to deal with the rest of humanity somehow.

[Architectonic]

So the booyalab assasination plans are going ahead as planned?





Oh, wait....

[Shai Gar]

what about a town of INTP scholars with open forums for debate, all run behind the scenes by SJs

all the houses could be open to the public (bar bedrooms) and they could be all libraries.

[kuranes]

Bah. Secret societies have been done. What we really need is an unsecret society. Leave it all open, most people would ignore it more. And what's with dominating the world? Who want to run _that_? I'd prefer just having a nice little society based around setting up an ideal world for me to do my thing in, with none of the dominating it bit. Just alter it some.

I'd say let anyone join as long as they want to further things toward this goal.

Of course if we go by the original plan I'm not sure we'll make it all the way to domination. I have a feeling we'd get so far and then lose interest with the power thing.

I'm with knome. A good place to start would be something similar to the already great site we have now, but more of a "virtual world." I've heard that people have actually set up such "virtual real estate" already and elaborate spots in the "better neighborhoods" ( coastal mansions? ) are already selling for real currency vs. internet monopoly money. I heard this a year ago. No, I don't remember where I heard it. A month later, I heard about something called "Second Life" that Groove developer Ozzie was supposed to be involved with. Further research needed there.

This could be tied in with ( or not ) a TV show ( called "INTP" ) that shows us competing with one another like those silly reality shows, only better! We could even be shown competing with the other personality types, but I'm uncertain what the "tests" would be. Things that INTP's would be likely to win, of course.

K

[Swift]

What about some t-shirts with an INTP logo?

Really, this is the furthest we will ever get.

["InsertNameHere"]

I'm with knome. A good place to start would be something similar to the already great site we have now, but more of a "virtual world." I've heard that people have actually set up such "virtual real estate" already and elaborate spots in the "better neighborhoods" ( coastal mansions? ) are already selling for real currency vs. internet monopoly money.

HUH? like Sims Online?

[mgb]

I'm with knome. A good place to start would be something similar to the already great site we have now, but more of a "virtual world." I've heard that people have actually set up such "virtual real estate" already and elaborate spots in the "better neighborhoods" ( coastal mansions? ) are already selling for real currency vs. internet monopoly money. I heard this a year ago. No, I don't remember where I heard it.

K

I wonder what the crime rate is in these communities?

[misutii]

What about some t-shirts with an INTP logo?

Really, this is the furthest we will ever get.

no offense, but "INTP" t-shirts would be lame

[Nhazkal]

The ideas of logos, and 'society' stay in my head. I think, something more passive that doesn't have in mind to dominate the world(imagine the moment some paranoid would know about it, army or some lame ppl like, Bush) would be better. I think its more a society which INTP could live by working on their ideas, everyone improving themself, learning more about the human and technology. The word 'power' only make my laugh anyway. Living as an INTP is everyday a kind of challenge, too often bad, being able to concentrate only in what we wanna do, rather than fight in our mind, is greater. I'm seeing the society more as an eventually kind of revolution that could have an impact on the world, instead of trying to get higher upon the others. Well thats my point of view, and my first post so here it is.

[coffeezombie]

Bravo to you for your first post not being in the Introductions forum.

[Nhazkal]

Yeah this is very important after all! and this is also about the topic that was here.

PsyKiK, what was your ideas about political/moral issues?

[C.J.Woolf]

Bravo to you for your first post not being in the Introductions forum.
If you post only in the playground your post count will remain at 0, making you unique among posters.

[Helios]

I love our absurd threads the most, cause they are deranged like I am.

[Ascending]

Does anybody out here have some unusual talent, like being able to communicate with the dead/aliens/animals, thought reading, expert manipulation skills or any useful form of magic? We need you!I'm double jointed and would rather not be our majestic leader.

Therefore I nominate myself. All those who wish to back me better make it known quickly. Overlord positions are going quickly.

Good thing these forums are not run by the likes of INTJs. These plans sound dangerous.

I feel like taking a shot at the logo too. Although my design would probably be beyond (below) most people. http://forums.intpcentral.com/images/smilies/wink.gif

*Edit*
http://forums.intpcentral.com/showthread.php?p=80064#post80064

[kuranes]

HUH? like Sims Online?
I haven't tried "Sims Online" and so I looked it up at www.virtualworldsreview.com. It seems that your role as an avatar there is restricted to being a "pet" with feeding times etc., but that it's still kind of fun. The program I referred to, "Second Life" is there in a review as well, for anyone that wants to check it out. I'm sorry that my replies take a while, but my time on weekdays is often very restricted. Technically I could devote the weekend to this, though, but I end up doing lots of other things in addition to this, instead. Some of you guys seem to "live" here, and so the idea of it being more of a "living space" would be even more appealing, I'd think. Of course, the technical requirements for the virtual world may be impossible to overcome for now. Heero? It's an idea for the future, though. If we charged lurkers and such-like to be voyeurs of the experience we could maybe upgrade? There is a company here in Chicago that specializes in creating detailed lifelike avatars and other elaborations that we could maybe hire. I found out about them because they undertook to create an avatar experience that would allow technicians at a truck manufacturing facility to explain mechanical engineering questions remotely by having the avatars do things. How could we afford to hire these guys? Maybe we couldn't. It's just an idea balloon floating upwards on the pole-side, "waiting to see if anyone salutes it", as the saying goes. On the other hand, we might even be able to get small biz admin funding for it if we tried, had a "plan" etc. Int?

K

[Ascending]

Anyone hear of Project Entropia? It's an MMORG with a massive continuous enviroment. Whats more is that the game uses actual converted currency. :O
http://www.project-entropia.com/gallery/Index.ajp

I played for about a year. I don't log on much anymore as I have a rather strong distaste for the elitist enviroment it created determined by how much you were willing to spend. People spending 2000 USD for a virtual armor set is not at all uncommon. Real estate is avalible in house lots rangeing from $300 to $800. Someone purchased a virtual island for $20,000. :)

But they do have a highly customizable avatar creation system.

*Edit for picture.* Although I suppose its not the best example as I'm wearing a helmet.
http://i154.exs.cx/img154/4607/loganjumpgif8pn.gif

[jread]

Secret society sounds good to me :) Nobody would even know about it since they don't pay attention to us anyway :D

[aether]

I think that INTP 'secret societies' already exist. I am assuming this because according to various sources most computer/internet 'hackers' are INTP/J's. I'm sure hackers act in groups and we have all heard the news of them getting into government, military, company websites. Therefore, they do have an agenda.

So here is the plan, we unite all of the INTP hackers and take over the world. This forum is the perfect launching pad.

Muuuhahahahahaha!

[Zero Angel]

Ahhhh, dreams of world domination. You must be an INTP.