INTP desc - what else !

[Aryan]

Got this from http://similarminds.com/mbjung/intp.html

INTP

loner, more interested in intellectual pursuits than relationships or family, wrestles with the meaninglessness of existence, likes esoteric things, disorganized, messy, likes science fiction, lonely, observer, private, can't describe feelings easily, detached, likes solitude, not revealing, unemotional, rule breaker, avoidant, familiar with the darkside, skeptical, acts without consulting others, does not think they are weird but others do, socially uncomfortable, abrupt, fantasy prone, does not like happy people, appreciates strangeness, frequently loses things, acts without planning, guarded, not punctual, pro-weed, not prone to compromise, hard to persuade, relies on mind more than on others, calm

Well this explains a lot or does it ? :huh:

[Aryan]

care to add any more words to the description

[sbw]

"does not think they are weird but others do"

I'm acutely aware that other people think that I'm weird. the question that follows: do I think they're right?

Scott

[Arioch]

Sharing person. Especially if annoyed.

More on the bullet thread

[booyalab]

likes science fiction,..... does not think they are weird,..... does not like happy people..... ,acts without planning, .....pro-weed,



The only science fiction I like is Isaac Asimov and the last 3 (first 3 made..)installments of Star Wars.

I know I'm weird, but I don't care.

"does not like happy people"? That's way too imprecise to be even thought by an INTP. Are they saying perky, extroverted people are the only happy ones? Someone can be perky and unhappy aka discontented and someone can be happy or content and be reserved. I can't imagine that even half of INTPs would say that they dislike contented people.

I hardly ever act without planning. Planning is STRATEGY. NTs excel in making STRATEGIES. If one always acts without planning that makes them adept in Tactics. i.e. SP.

One's view of weed has little to do with their type or temperament. I don't think weed is evil, but I also don't think it's the best use of one's time or money...so I wouldn't do it.

The rest of this description was sometimes right, but mostly redundant. It could have been condensed into about 10 words.

All in all I'd have to say it sucks.

[Arioch]

"does not think they are weird but others do"

I'm acutely aware that other people think that I'm weird. the question that follows: do I think they're right?

Scott

Bleh. You're probably wierd. If you take wierd as "not like us".
I tend to look at the term as a classification rather then a comment or insult.
It also fills me with a certain pride to not be like others.

[SheepDog]

favored careers:


philosopher, game designer, scientist, software engineer, freelance artist, research scientist, assassin, freelance writer, physicist, software developer, mathmetician, geologist, computer scientist, philosophy professor, webmaster, slacker, medical researcher, painter, mortician, systems analyst, comic book artist, computer technician, website designer, scholar, archeologist, computer repair, forensic anthropologist, astronaut, researcher, historian, systems engineer, genetics researcher, astronomer, enviromental scientist, egyptologist
:eek:

[SheepDog]

wrestles with the meaninglessness of existence
This one, in particular, applies to me. All the rest are probably true, to varying degrees.

I've never been into science fiction, either, FWIW.

[MacGuffin]

I hardly ever act without planning. Planning is STRATEGY. NTs excel in making STRATEGIES. If one always acts without planning that makes them adept in Tactics. i.e. SP.


I think it means we make plans up on the fly. We don't need to sit down and script everything out beforehand.

Besides, some condition will change and the plan will have to be scrapped anyway.

[booyalab]

I think it means we make plans up on the fly. We don't need to sit down and script everything out beforehand.

Besides, some condition will change and the plan will have to be scrapped anyway.

Don't make excuses for that description....it doesn't have feelings. :P Although that would be nice because then I could hurt them. No we dont need to sit down and script everything out beforehand, but we still make plans intuitively. Intuitive planning is NOT the same thing as impulsive doing. If we take that phrase at face value: acts without planning, that describes an SP, not an INTP. The SP is always more impulsive than an INTP, so how possibly more impulsive could you get than that sentence? I think it's a bad description and I'm disappointed in everyone else who seems to think we shouldn't want to make it any better.

Your second sentence describes the necessity of tactics, a secondary skill of INTPs. Sure we can do tactics but a relatively short description shouldn't treat one of our secondary skills as a primary one.

[MacGuffin]

Don't make excuses for that description....it doesn't have feelings. :P Although that would be nice because then I could hurt them. No we dont need to sit down and script everything out beforehand, but we still make plans intuitively. Intuitive planning is NOT the same thing as impulsive doing. If we take that phrase at face value: acts without planning, that describes an SP, not an INTP. The SP is always more impulsive than an INTP, so how possibly more impulsive could you get than that sentence? I think it's a bad description and I'm disappointed in everyone else who seems to think we shouldn't want to make it any better.

Your second sentence describes the necessity of tactics, a secondary skill of INTPs. Sure we can do tactics but a relatively short description shouldn't treat one of our secondary skills as a primary one.

True dat!

I mean, I agree with you.

[Zero Angel]

When I recieve a tech support call, and all the sudden i'm all gung ho and off in a hurry and when I get there, i'll be like 'SHIT! I forgot my screwdriver!'. Is that not impulsive?

I wouldnt be surprised if other INT's had such blonde moments

[Boneca]

rule breaker

I don't break rules. If I can see the point behind a law or rule, which I almost always can, I wouldn't break it. (And booyalab, crossing state borders with a duck on your head doesn't count, OK! :D)



familiar with the darkside

Huh? What darkside? Are they suggesting we're satanists, or what?



does not like happy people

I like happy people, as long as they are intelligent, happy people, alternatively, happy people who don't get in my way.



pro-weed

This was written by an American, right? In other cultures, this may not be applicable at all. Personally, I think it's rather stupid to use drugs (no offense to anyone), but that may be due to the society I grew up in, where drug users=losers.

In conclusion - I have read better descriptions.

[t]

well, add me to the list of people who don't like science fiction. bleh. everything else seems to fit... BUT... it does seem to be a very negative description. i feel that our "negative" qualities are actually positives in many ways. that description sounds like it was written by someone who has a distaste for INTPs.

[mgb]

I think its pretty safe to say the desription might not have been written by an INTP or anyone that knows one.

And why throw "pro-weed" in there. That is crazy. Totally a value judgement and something that I am sure both sides of the argument can make logical arguments about.

And who doesn't like happy people? I think we all "want" to be happy.

And how is "slacker" a career? More of a lifestyle really...

[Psycherry]

Or maybe it's just because I looked for such a topic until I found it.

Maybe this has been discussed before, but I'm new. I took a single MBTI test off the internet and was classified... as belonging to a group that makes up 1% of the population. (World population? How can thay tell off an internet study?) My sister did the same test and was classified as INTJ. The explanation of this type also described it as 1% of the population. Okay. The rest of the world then? The explanations of other types did not include such stats.

It seems as if forum members are now sceptical of how this personality type is described on one website. Are they happy with the descriptions on others, because they were fitting? If so, look up the Barnum effect. Does it apply?

Skepdics.com denounces Myers Briggs. As they do alot of things? Is their denoucement founded? It's a pretty solid case. Go read about it.

[SheepDog]

http://skepdic.com/myersb.html

I often think that skepdic sets up many arguments as "straw men" to knock them down, albeit more subtly than most. In this article, they pick some very narrow quotes made by the originators of the MBTI and then try to show how these ideas break apart the whole idea. The straw man part of it is in trying to say that MBTI defines itself as definitive of being able to describe personalities or predict behavior. I don't think that MBTI does that, although I do understand why some people might thing that it does.

I dont find this particularly sound, as a result. I think that they just pick at it for a while, then allude to some other effect (e.g. Forer effect in this article), implying, but in no way proving the inference.

It's very, very easy to be skeptical. Truth is hard, if not impossible to prove. So what. If you find MBTI useful, then you have benefitted. If not, then get what you need elsewhere. I do find MBTI to be very useful, despite not being definitive or complete.

[Vagabond]

I don't see how this description is negative. I only disagree with the "doesn't like happy people" thing, but my guess is something other than "happy" is implied and the wrong word is used here - probably they meant people that are easily satisfied, don't think much and are happy all the time because they don't bother much with heavy thoughts. In which case, I would agree. But yeah, "happy" is not the correct word.

Other than that, I find the description pretty accurate, although not completely descriptive of the INTP personality type. I think most posts here simply justify the "hard to persuade" quote in that description - yeah, INTPs are sceptical.

Of course, you can't expect everything to fit - so what if you don't like science fiction... I don't like photography (another typical INTP hobby), that doesn't make me less my type, neither does it make that description less accurate.

[booyalab]

Of course, you can't expect everything to fit - so what if you don't like science fiction... I don't like photography (another typical INTP hobby), that doesn't make me less my type, neither does it make that description less accurate.

In the well-known INTP description that lists photography as a favorite INTP hobby, the writer is pretty clear that it is not a necessary attribute of the type. Plus, the description is long enough so the writer doesn't get into specific hobbies and why the INTP might like them until he's gone through all the basics. The writer of this shorter, crappier description doesn't distinguish between what's often true about INTPs and what's true by definition of the type.

[sbw]

re. pro-weed

I think this is reasonable, so long as it's not taken to mean "all INTP's watch spongebob squarepants." in my experience, SJ types don't smoke because it's evil and they'll die, and they tend not to challenge these types of directives from government/church/parents/whatever. and my NTJ friends (the ones who can objectivley assess that weed is more-or-less innocuous) don't smoke because they say things like "it makes me lazy" and "I can't get anything done." it strikes me that NTP's wouldn't have any of these objections (for a variety of reasons), and further, that INTP's would be more attuned to this "lifestyle" than ENTP's, just because they're more likely to sit around in their houses all the time (rather than go out and do stuff) anyway. So while not exclusive, I don't think it's absurd, either.

Scott

[booyalab]

re. pro-weed

I think this is reasonable, so long as it's not taken to mean "all INTP's watch spongebob squarepants." in my experience, SJ types don't smoke because it's evil and they'll die, and they tend not to challenge these types of directives from government/church/parents/whatever. and my NTJ friends (the ones who can objectivley assess that weed is more-or-less innocuous) don't smoke because they say things like "it makes me lazy" and "I can't get anything done." it strikes me that NTP's wouldn't have any of these objections (for a variety of reasons), and further, that INTP's would be more attuned to this "lifestyle" than ENTP's, just because they're more likely to sit around in their houses all the time (rather than go out and do stuff) anyway. So while not exclusive, I don't think it's absurd, either.

Scott

Actually SJs need to belong, so young SJs may do weed because their friends are doing it and because they want to feel accepted. Not all SJs pledge their allegiance to the same thing.

It's an absurd type of thing to include in the description because it's not personality specific.

[flan2dave]

I agree booya, the preferences can be expressed in many ways, sometimes in apparent contradiction. When listing specifics, the underlying factors get lost. There's probably a good reason to think every personality type is pro weed, if you put your mind to it.

[Bad Christian]

How about perfectionism? That seems glossed over in most of the INTP descriptions that I've read, but it's one of the most important descriptions about me.

I have trouble completing anything if I don't think it's perfect. That's probably the biggest reason that tasks are difficult for me to do.

[mgb]

How about perfectionism? That seems glossed over in most of the INTP descriptions that I've read, but it's one of the most important descriptions about me.

I have trouble completing anything if I don't think it's perfect. That's probably the biggest reason that tasks are difficult for me to do.

You might have weak P.

I have trouble completing anything. Period.