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crule81
24 Nov 2004, 03:45 PM
So here's another sports thread.
I live outside of Detroit so all that's been talked about recently is the melee last Friday night between half of the Pacer's team and several dozen fans. I'm just wondering what all of you thought about it.

I believe that the incident was demonstrative of the widening gulf between athletes and fans. Many believe this gulf is primarily a racial one, but I think there is much more to it. The fact is that Ron Artest represents much of what most fans dislike about professional athletes and the NBA in particular. Just a week earlier, he told the media that he wanted time off to promote his new album. Prior to that, he was involved in numerous episodes on and off the court. Fans just cannot understand such behavior from those who make several million dollars to play a game that most engage in as recreation. Pistons fans, on the other hand, see their team as everything that is right with professional sports: players with good character (even Rasheed Wallace and Derrick Coleman) who work hard as a team and are upstanding members of the community. These men took down the empire of selfishness that was embodied in Kobe Bryant and the Lakers. It doesn't surprise me that many fans who provoked the Pacers felt that they were somehow standing up for their heros.

At the same time, fans often pay a substantial portion of their income to attend these games. For the Pistons, it is not the "wine and cheese" crowd such as at other NBA arenas. The fans seem to believe that because they are paying so much to contribute to the players' salaries, they have some kind of right to physically interact with the game. My boss, who is a season ticket holder who wasn't at that game, says that he would have gone over to the railing and dumped drinks on the exiting Pacers players. I don't understand these beliefs and this behavior, but they seem to exist even among the more intelligent and better educated fans.

For me, it's sad to see the image of my city tarnished once again.

mgb
24 Nov 2004, 10:37 PM
I can see the widening gulf argument but I don't think it has a lot of merit but I agree it isn't because of race. People that are good at sports in our society are exhalted and treated differently. I think its because they have mastered something that not many of us can. I know it's easy to say they play basketball and I play basketball so they shouldn't make money off of a game that I enjoy. As pro athletes they have taken the game to the next level. The next level involves profit. I can't blame an athlete for asking for a lot of money every year when the owner of the team is raking in a fortune. The idea that paying for a ticket entitles you to throw beer on a player is ludicrous. Why not throw beer on the owner? They are the one taking your money and the ones making the most amount of money. I would say that high ticket prices (not to mention food and drink prices) or more a reflection of someone trying to make more and more money off of the sport.

I don't think the fight reflects too poorly on Detroit. It wasn't Detroit that threw those beers, just a few drunk assholes.

And I don't blame Artest for fighting back. I think his punishment was too stiff and if I were him I would counter sue every person that he got into a fight with because he was keeping everything on the floor until the fans brought the fight to him. I also don't blame him for starting a rap career. Basketball isn't going to last forever so he might as well make the most of his fame while he has it. I think Stern over-reacted on the whole as well. Those suspension were un-precedented and somewhat undeserved. Out of context they seem ok but within the context there was a complete melee and everyone was freaking out. The real question was, where was the security? Why did people think it was ok to act this way? I suppose more security costs more money...

So since you live in/near Detroit...any news on what consequences the fans are facing?

Also, not to be argumentative *cough cough* but I didn't find this right away.

Groty
26 Nov 2004, 02:14 AM
Hell, that fan that threw the drink is probably gonna become a household name, like say, Scott Peterson. I think this sucker will be juiced for all it's worth in the news.

I am concerned for the players. They are famous which makes them potential targets for psycho's and misplaced frustration. It's just a damned game! I've never been much of a basketball fan, something about growing up in Sixers country.

I think Artest should sue the aggressors. At the very least make a point out of it. Maybe the NBA could jump in to. I don't want them to go too far and move the seats back, out of throwing, spitting, and projectile vomiting distance. Don't go radical by making more rules all because of a few a-hole "fans". I use the term "fan" loosely, because those involved obviously don't respect the sport enough to enjoy it properly.

indczn
27 Nov 2004, 06:09 AM
I find it ironic that just a few months ago people were calling for Bertuzzi's head... yet, people are sympathetic towards Artest? Hypocracy at its finest.

mgb
27 Nov 2004, 09:40 AM
Yeah, but Bertuzzi committed an on-ice no-look cheap shot. And it helped the Flames get to the finals :) Yeah Flames, boo strike.

Bertuzzi was never attacked physically and the difference between the NBA and the NHL is some pretty tall boards.

crule81
27 Nov 2004, 08:17 PM
I think Artest should sue the aggressors. At the very least make a point out of it. Maybe the NBA could jump in to. I don't want them to go too far and move the seats back, out of throwing, spitting, and projectile vomiting distance. Don't go radical by making more rules all because of a few a-hole "fans". I use the term "fan" loosely, because those involved obviously don't respect the sport enough to enjoy it properly.
The guy, John Green, who threw the cup will be prosecuted for misdeamor battery. He already has a long rap sheet. As to a civil suit, no jury, especially one in Michigan, would award Ron Artest, of all people, anything more than nominal damages ($1) for getting hit by a plastic cup. If Artest even attempted to institute litigation, his already low reputation would sink even more.

booyalab
27 Nov 2004, 08:23 PM
I take the side of those who are surprised this hasn't happened sooner.

mgb
9 Dec 2004, 03:25 AM
So now that all of the charges have been laid...

Do you think that the players deserved it? And the fans?

I really think Artest should sue the Piston's and the NBA for negligence. They created a situation where he could be assualted and enticed to react. Now he is out a season's wages and facing charges.

crule81
9 Dec 2004, 01:32 PM
I really think Artest should sue the Piston's and the NBA for negligence. They created a situation where he could be assualted and enticed to react. Now he is out a season's wages and facing charges.

Is that a joke?