Jewish Conspiracy Theories ...

[omnirook]

Perhaps this belongs in "Rants and Raves" because it does make me steaming mad - but, then, it's a world-wide phenomenon, so perhaps it belongs in "The World," after all.

I hear it all the time: "The Jews, man, they own and control everything!" Nonsense. A handful of the world's millions of Jews have made it to the top and have wealth and power and influence - so? What, they are more "evil" than the majority of the world's power elite, the White Anglo-Saxon Protestants, who account for the greatest fortunes and the largest pieces of the pie that go to the rich and powerful?

OK, after 5 thousand years of scratching the ground to survive, some Jews have prospered, especially in America - so? Does that mean that every last Jew on the planet is a Satanic fiend who's in on the plot to take over and rule the world? No, it does not. The vast majority of Jews, even in America, are no richer than the people around them. It's utter nonsense.

But it's all over the place. I've had people tell me w/straight faces that Jews really worship Satan and that they kidnap and sacrifice "goyim" babies. Oh, ok, yeah, go have your thorazine shot, and then we'll talk.

What really boggles my mind is blaming the Jews for having practiced the trades that they were allowed to practice. In Europe, for centuries, Jews were restricted to ghettos, restricted to certain trades, certain businesses, including lending money, which the Christians were not allowed to do - not legally, though, usually, it was their money through Jewish agents that was being loaned. Then, because the Jews were forced to be money lenders to survive, we're going to make them out to be money-hungry misers who suck the blood of decent Christians. Makes sense, just like "I'm going to lop off both of your hands, then convict you of not having hands and punish you for it" - very reasonable.

Christians, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, etc, etc - put anyone on the list - the average follower is just an ordinary human being who wants nothing more - and nothing less! - than anyone else does. People are people, black, brown, white, Christian, Jewish, Muslim, etc - just people, not monsters.

[CEOofRawness]

That's retarded as fuck. Ignorance pisses me off.

My girlfriend's Jewish, by the way. She's the most selfless person I know.

Not trying to justify anything, either. Racism is pointless, ignorant, and fuckin stupid. Period.

[Dr. Haight]

Speaking of which... I love to hate this site:

http://www.jewwatch.com/

I have spent hours reading and laughing at the articles and writings on that site. A few years ago it was easier to find all the crap, because it read like a neo-nazi site. Now, however, they have changed it around by adding some legitimate criticism in there just to make me work a little bit ;).

[CEOofRawness]

Speaking of which... I love to hate this site:

http://www.jewwatch.com/

I have spent hours reading and laughing at the articles and writings on that site. A few years ago it was easier to find all the crap, because it read like a neo-nazi site. Now, however, they have changed it around by adding some legitimate criticism in there just to make me work a little bit ;).

That's utterly repulsing

[david2341.]

i havent had any pork or shellfish for over a year

[kuranes]

I've certainly heard many. Some make a distinction between certain Zionist factions, and others lump everyone/everything together. All Jews.

[jittus rye]

Nobel Prize in Physics
Jews: 45
Total: 98

Nobel Prize in Chemistry
Jews: 28
Total: 96

Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine
Jews: 52
Total: 94

Bank of Sweden Prize in Economic Sciences in Memory of Alfred Nobel
Jews: 22
Total: 36

Nobel Prize in Literature
Jews: 13
Total: 97

Nobel Peace Prize
Jews: 9
Total: 85

"A Jew is approximately 31 times as likely to be admitted to Harvard as a White person.
A Jew is almost 4 times as likely to be admitted to Harvard as an Asian.
A Jew is almost 25 times as likely to be admitted to Harvard as a Black.
A Jew is more than 29 times as likely to be admitted to Harvard as a Mestizo.
A Jew is almost 19 times as likely to be admitted to Harvard as an Amerind."

[david2341.]

some "jews" (israelis) can decide not to be jewish ... so it shouldnt be right to lump all jews together

course jewish people can be superior intellectually in some ways ... they dont eat pork or shellfish

jewish people account for about 11% at ivy league schools

they're only 4 times as likely to be admitted to harvard as an asian person ? only ?

[lafz]

I certainly don't endorse bigotry of this magnitude, but the implications drawn from the immense power and wealth acquired by a select group are valid to some extent, especially when as a collective entity, it's characterized by an eye for an eye mentality.

Among other things, the most extensive violator of UN resolutions is Israel. It's nearly impossible not to make the obvious connections.

Edit: My critique was directed towards Israel, not Jews.

[kuranes]

Nobel Prize in Physics
Jews: 45

etc.


Even their worst enemies usually concede the Ashkanazis are smart as Hell.

[david2341.]

how about the nobel prize for math

[lbloom]

how about the nobel prize for math

There isn't one.

Unless you mean the Fields medal.

Edit: That would 13/48, or about 27%.

[LongSilence]

"A Jew is approximately 31 times as likely to be admitted to Harvard as a White person.
A Jew is almost 4 times as likely to be admitted to Harvard as an Asian.
A Jew is almost 25 times as likely to be admitted to Harvard as a Black.
A Jew is more than 29 times as likely to be admitted to Harvard as a Mestizo.
A Jew is almost 19 times as likely to be admitted to Harvard as an Amerind."

"as likely"??

[Arioch]

On an interesting note I remember reading a text from around 1350 that claimed that Jews had vast magical knowledge and were quite proficient in magic. One of the less known stereotypes but still alive.

Anyhow as a point of critic, while being annoyed at "anti-semitism" (a ridiculous phrase) is quite valid one must remember that they are far from the only people that are discriminated against. Europe (and later on America) has had a 1400 year old vendetta against Islam (its origins lay in the "Wait a sec, if thats a knew religion then that makes Christianity less valid :O !" school of thought) The list of accusations are long and mostly ridiculous, the propaganda against it on all levels of society.

An almost global hatred of something and ridiculous ideas about them are by no means unique or special. The only thing that matters with these kind of things is media control and how politically incorrect something is.

[Swift]

Where there is smoke, there must be fire. But unfortunately, most of the time people can't see the whole picture of what they see, and then they come up with all those outreagous conspiracy theories. Jews, righteously terrified of an outbreak of anti-semitism, add their own two cents by adding more fairytales, hoping it will turn people of. It takes a lot of hard study to finally see through the smoke and understand what this anti-semitism thing is actually all about.

I already made a post on this subject, more than a year ago. That should be a good starter for those curious enough to read something out of their daily vision. The Culture of Critique (http://forums.intpcentral.com/showthread.php?t=4558&highlight=mcdonald)

For those interested, I'm linking to David Duke's Jewish Supremacism (www.prometheism.net/library/jewishsupremacism.pdf) (PDF).

PS: I don't know where you live, but even in the circles that I'm frequenting, I've never had anybody tell me something like "jews worship Satan and they eat babies". Maybe the guys from your local mental asylum are convinced of this, but you should get better sources, or practice your smoke and mirrors techniques a bit more. :)

[Swift]

Europe (and later on America) has had a 1400 year old vendetta against Islam (its origins lay in the "Wait a sec, if thats a knew religion then that makes Christianity less valid :O !" school of thought)Excuse me, but Islamic empires did try to conquer Europe, in which they partially succeeded by the way. And this was only AFTER they already conquered a huge piece of the Christian East Roman Empire. History was not your best subject in school, was it?

[Arioch]

Europe (and later on America) has had a 1400 year old vendetta against Islam (its origins lay in the "Wait a sec, if thats a knew religion then that makes Christianity less valid :O !" school of thought)

Excuse me, but Islamic empires did try to conquer Europe, in which they partially succeeded by the way. And this was only AFTER they already conquered a huge piece of the Christian East Roman Empire. History was not your best subject in school, was it?

Actually I was quite good at history, my teacher said I was very good at placing myself in another eras zeitgeist. Although they did skip the part in the history books about the Islamic Empire

Anyhow the vendetta started a bit sooner then the partial conquest of Europe. I shall see if I can dig up some articles about this.

[Stoned_Rider]

Yay me and Omnirook actually agree on something! :D

I mentioned this in another thread but I really think it deserves another mention here:


New York, NY, April 10, 2001 … The Anti-Defamation League (ADL) today denounced as "outrageous and incendiary" the accusation by several Muslim religious leaders that Jews and Israel are behind an alleged conspiracy to lure Muslim children into gambling and other immoral activities. A Saudi religious leader has declared that the popular Pokemon children's game, which originated in Japan, is little more than a "Zionist conspiracy" to influence Arab children. Several religious leaders have issued fatwas banning its use.

"It is outrageous and incendiary for some Muslim religious leaders to extend their warped Jewish conspiracy theories to a children's toy that has found broad acceptance the world over," said Abraham H. Foxman, ADL National Director. "This is only the most recent in a constant stream of rhetoric filtering out of Muslim nations blaming Jews and Israel for a host of ills against Arab populations. However outrageous these accusations seem to outsiders, they are part of a mantra in the Arab world that blames Jews and Israel for spreading disease and attempting to corrupt the morals of Arab populations. As a result, an Arab public already eager to cast stones against the State of Israel accepts these baseless accusations as whole truths."

Among the spurious accusations leveled against the children's game, some Muslim religious leaders in Saudi Arabia, Jordan and Egypt claim that Pokemon is a Japanese word that translates, "I am Jewish." The religious leaders accuse Jews of planting religious symbols, including the Star of David, among the images found on Pokemon trading cards. Sheikh Abdel Moneim Abu Zant, a Saudi religious figure, has declared: "The Pokemon craze is a Jewish plot aimed at forcing our children to forgo their faith and values and to distract them from more important things such as scientific ambitions."

http://www.adl.org/PresRele/IslEx_61/3791_62.htm

Other popular Jewish conspiracy theories in the Arab world:

- PEPSI stands for: Pay Every Penny to Save Israel!

- Turn the Coca-Cola logo towards a mirror. In the reflected image you will see "No Muhammad, No Mecca" clearly written in Arabic!

- Pornography is an exclusively Zionist invention, created solely for the purpose of turning Arab children away from Islamic values!


On an interesting note I remember reading a text from around 1350 that claimed that Jews had vast magical knowledge and were quite proficient in magic. One of the less known stereotypes but still alive.
Something to do with Kabbalah?

[omnirook]

Nobel Prize in Physics
Jews: 45
Total: 98

Nobel Prize in Chemistry
Jews: 28
Total: 96

Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine
Jews: 52
Total: 94

Bank of Sweden Prize in Economic Sciences in Memory of Alfred Nobel
Jews: 22
Total: 36

Nobel Prize in Literature
Jews: 13
Total: 97

Nobel Peace Prize
Jews: 9
Total: 85

"A Jew is approximately 31 times as likely to be admitted to Harvard as a White person.
A Jew is almost 4 times as likely to be admitted to Harvard as an Asian.
A Jew is almost 25 times as likely to be admitted to Harvard as a Black.
A Jew is more than 29 times as likely to be admitted to Harvard as a Mestizo.
A Jew is almost 19 times as likely to be admitted to Harvard as an Amerind."

Yeah - that goes along w/the ranting and raving that's being done now because the children of Asian immigrants are doing well in math and science and are taking a disproportionate number of seats at MIT and other such institutions - but, then, you know, it's not a people living out the American Dream, it's the "Yellow Menace," and we should all be scared witless because the chinks are in w/the kikes - it's a done deal: the slanty eyes'll get the east and the hooked noses will get the west, the niggers'll get all the government jobs, and poor old whitey will become extinct. Yes, I know, I know ... <_<

[Arioch]

Yeah - that goes along w/the ranting and raving that's being done now because the children of Asian immigrants are doing well in math and science and are taking a disproportionate number of seats at MIT and other such institutions - but, then, you know, it's not a people living out the American Dream, it's the "Yellow Menace," and we should all be scared witless because the chinks are in w/the kikes - it's a done deal: the slanty eyes'll get the east and the hooked noses will get the west, the niggers'll get all the government jobs, and poor old whitey will become extinct. Yes, I know, I know ... <_<

My dear Omnirook, you are a Seer

[Swift]

Other popular Jewish conspiracy theories in the Arab world:I heard something about chicken in Egypt that were poisened by jews to lower the males sexual potency or something. :LOL:

The funny thing is, all those Arabs hate jews like the plague, they sit alongside a jewish state with 200+ nuclear warheads, and all they spend their petro-dollars on are yaghts and other stupid gadgets.

[omnirook]

My dear Omnirook, you are a Seer

Well, thank you!

We're going to ignore the fact that advancement in China for 4 thousand years depended upon scholarship - for 4 millennia, a Chinese wanting to get ahead in the world had no choice but to apply himself to his scrolls and become expert in the Classics and other required subjects. We're going to ignore that so that we can conveniently believe that the Chinese immigrants to the United States did not arrive w/a cultural bent towards scholarly endeavors, even if their parents had no choice but to pursue in America what in China was always the most shameful thing: business. We're going to pretend that the Chinese immigrants did not push their children to do well in school, so that they could follow an honorable career, one w/an academic basis. We're going to make up STUPID SHIT about the Chinese being super smart, instead of acknowledging that they work harder at school than their white and black and brown fellow students - ignoring the fact that the white and black and brown students who put in the same effort at school get pretty much the same results. Go to a library in New York. Who's in there, pounding the books, weekday afternoons, Saturdays and Sundays and all summer long? - Chinese children and young people. What, they shouldn't be rewarded for this effort by doing well in school? How un-American is that?

[charred_heart]

Well, thank you!

We're going to ignore the fact that advancement in China for 4 thousand years depended upon scholarship - for 4 millennia, a Chinese wanting to get ahead in the world had no choice but to apply himself to his scrolls and become expert in the Classics and other required subjects. We're going to ignore that so that we can conveniently believe that the Chinese immigrants to the United States did not arrive w/a cultural bent towards scholarly endeavors, even if their parents had no choice but to pursue in America what in China was always the most shameful thing: business. We're going to pretend that the Chinese immigrants did not push their children to do well in school, so that they could follow an honorable career, one w/an academic basis. We're going to make up STUPID SHIT about the Chinese being super smart, instead of acknowledging that they work harder at school than their white and black and brown fellow students - ignoring the fact that the white and black and brown students who put in the same effort at school get pretty much the same results. Go to a library in New York. Who's in there, pounding the books, weekday afternoons, Saturdays and Sundays and all summer long? - Chinese children and young people. What, they shouldn't be rewarded for this effort by doing well in school? How un-American is that?hell if I know, America was built by geeks.

[rawr]

This thread is lame and has nothing to do with the actual conspiracy theories against jews.

[Swift]

We're going to make up STUPID SHIT about the Chinese being super smart, instead of acknowledging that they work harder at school than their white and black and brown fellow students - ignoring the fact that the white and black and brown students who put in the same effort at school get pretty much the same results.Most race theories (that I know of) credit the Asians not only with an average IQ higher that that of the average white, but also with an inborn talent for discipline (delaying gratification) and concentration - there's a reason that things like meditation and martial arts (some of which take over 10 years to master) come from East Asia, and not from ancient Nubia. :)

Also, wouldn't 4 millenia of getting ahead in life through scholarship have an impact on sexual selection, in effect advantaging people with smart genes and thus raising their numbers in the population?

[jittus rye]

Well, thank you!

We're going to ignore the fact that advancement in China for 4 thousand years depended upon scholarship - for 4 millennia, a Chinese wanting to get ahead in the world had no choice but to apply himself to his scrolls and become expert in the Classics and other required subjects. We're going to ignore that so that we can conveniently believe that the Chinese immigrants to the United States did not arrive w/a cultural bent towards scholarly endeavors, even if their parents had no choice but to pursue in America what in China was always the most shameful thing: business. We're going to pretend that the Chinese immigrants did not push their children to do well in school, so that they could follow an honorable career, one w/an academic basis. We're going to make up STUPID SHIT about the Chinese being super smart, instead of acknowledging that they work harder at school than their white and black and brown fellow students - ignoring the fact that the white and black and brown students who put in the same effort at school get pretty much the same results. Go to a library in New York. Who's in there, pounding the books, weekday afternoons, Saturdays and Sundays and all summer long? - Chinese children and young people. What, they shouldn't be rewarded for this effort by doing well in school? How un-American is that?

I most certainly said culture was as biology is to race - a defining factor. Differences in culture has led to animosity throughout the ages, and when resources are at stake, people are going to fight for them as great as they naturally can. Based on our current reality, asians are obviously better equipped for gaining certain resources, damn their birthright! Oh, so I want to be in the music industry? According to a theory Lee had, black people have a birthright to musical aptitude. Hell! Whether or not something is inconvenient doesn't keep it from exsisting.

People in similar situations with similar or relatable cultures have banned together in brotherhood when face with percieved threats. Just recently I witnessed something most magical, where I was threatened, but through my cultural integration with a group, people fiercely backed me for common honor and community. The exact opposite can happen as well as many more combinations of scenerios with settings similar.

[dubbeltop]

Why pick out the jews why not your russian neighbour with that broken nose?

[omnirook]

This thread is lame and has nothing to do with the actual conspiracy theories against jews.

No - it has to do w/stating that the so-called "theories" are CRAP pulled out of some mentally disturbed failure's ass to serve as an excuse for his not getting ahead in the world.

[charred_heart]

...and not from ancient Nubia. :):lol:
the Nubians have got you really confused now eh?

[omnirook]

Most race theories (that I know of) credit the Asians not only with an average IQ higher that that of the average white, but also with an inborn talent for discipline (delaying gratification) and concentration - there's a reason that things like meditation and martial arts (some of which take over 10 years to master) come from East Asia, and not from ancient Nubia. :)

Also, wouldn't 4 millenia of getting ahead in life through scholarship have an impact on sexual selection, in effect advantaging people with smart genes and thus raising their numbers in the population?

No - the theory of "use and disuse" was shot down a long time ago. That's not how natural selection works.

The so-called "scientific studies" that claimed in the late 80's and early 90's to show that there were such differences between the races, upon examination, were shown to be deeply flawed. One tiny example of how they were flawed was the failure to note the effect of "Americanization" on some of the offspring of Asian immigrants: the ones who acted like their white and black and hispanic peers were as lazy and "stupid" and did as poorly in school and got into just as much trouble.

[LongSilence]

To lend some perspective, I think one issue has always been the apparent monotheistic "holier-than-thou"ness that the Jewish people, as a race and religion exhibited.

At the very least almost every other religion has always been more than happy to welcome others into their fold.

[rawr]

To lend some perspective, I think one issue has always been the apparent monotheistic "holier-than-thou"ness that the Jewish people, as a race and religion exhibited.

At the very least almost every other religion has always been more than happy to welcome others into their fold.

That and the theories have to do with the jewish people being parasitic to cultures and economys, feeding off the work of others to get ahead, and stay on top, controling the media to hide their power and draw attention away from themselfs and exibiting excessive greed. Not eating babys and warshiping satan.

[omnirook]

That and the theories have to do with the jewish people being parasitic to cultures and economys, feeding off the work of others to get ahead, and stay on top, controling the media to hide their power and draw attention away from themselfs and exibiting excessive greed. Not eating babys and warshiping satan.

http://www.heretical.com/miscella/jrm.html

http://www.religioustolerance.org/jud_blib.htm

http://www.churchoftrueisrael.com/streicher/jrm/

Just a few of the thousands of entries on the subject on the net. Sorry, the libel about Jewish Ritual Murder has a very long pedigree.

Feeding off others? Just peruse the history of New York and the Jews of the Lower East Side and the squalor and misery and poverty that they endured - then trot over to the history of Eastern Europe and read about a few of the pogrums that were carried out - even down to the 20th Century. Why, even in England, they were killed: one old castle keep was used to seal up and burn a thousand Jews, men, women, and children ... Yes - some Jews have gotten rich. Some Jews are powerful. Some Jews sit in the boardrooms of giant corporations, weilding great power - along w/their non-Jewish cronies. What's the point? Are Jews as a whole only innocent if every last Jew is blameless?

People notice Jewish names when they are put on movie credits or on the annual reports of corporations - just as they noticed Japanese names in the 80's when Americans were petrified of Japan taking over. What they don't notice is non-Jewish names on the movie credits or on the annual reports of corporations - no, the non-Jews should be there; it's the Jews that are gate-crashers and need to be put back where they belong - Auschwitz!

[LongSilence]

Does this board has a resident neo-nazi?

[rawr]

I didn't say I beleived that. I just stated thats what most of the theories are about and where most of the hatred stems from. Rather than eating babys and warshiping satan. I'm sure there's a few wackjob theories, but wackjobs make theories about everything. No need to get bent over it.

[Swift]

No - the theory of "use and disuse" was shot down a long time ago. That's not how natural selection works.Why was it shot down? How does natural selection work according to you? For example: if the ability to digest lactose made no difference, how then could the gene that was responsible for it spread throughout milk-consuming communities? And please mind, I was talking about sexual selection. Partners with socially sought after traits (smart guys) can choose first, AND give their kids an advantage, because they're socially in a good position.


One tiny example of how they were flawed was the failure to note the effect of "Americanization" on some of the offspring of Asian immigrants: the ones who acted like their white and black and hispanic peers were as lazy and "stupid" and did as poorly in school and got into just as much trouble.Wait. First they excelled in academia, now you're telling me Asian kids are lazy and stupid and do poor in school? Sure everybody can have the wrong friends and this and that, and of course good genes aren't a waterproof garantee for succes in life (IQ is still one of the best predictors of succes later in life), but how would that flaw Asians average higher IQ scores?

[Swift]

Just a few of the thousands of entries on the subject on the net. Sorry, the libel about Jewish Ritual Murder has a very long pedigree.Yes, every ancient religion had blood rituals, ritual sacrifice, and sometimes even human sacrifice. The Aztecs sacrifices thousands of prisoners to the Sun god, dead pharao's were buried with a couple of killed slaves, etc.... Christianity has replaced those blood rituals with breaking bread and drinking a cup of wine, so it might be a little hard to understand the use of such rituals in others cultures.

Having said this, I have no reason what so ever to exclude that jews at a certain period in time may have engaged in blood rituals, maybe even human sacrifice. It's not totally impossible that some deluded individuals still want to try this out from time to time. But we are talking about individual cases here, and in the grand scheme of things, it's utterly insignificant.


Feeding off others?Yes, if you live in some one else's community and you prefer middle class and upper class occupations (shopowner, merchant, banker, ...) to farming, hunting, fishing or cattle raising, you're feeding off others.

[omnirook]

Why was it shot down? How does natural selection work according to you? For example: if the ability to digest lactose made no difference, how then could the gene that was responsible for it spread throughout milk-consuming communities? And please mind, I was talking about sexual selection. Partners with socially sought after traits (smart guys) can choose first, AND give their kids an advantage, because they're socially in a good position.

Wait. First they excelled in academia, now you're telling me Asian kids are lazy and stupid and do poor in school? Sure everybody can have the wrong friends and this and that, and of course good genes aren't a waterproof garantee for succes in life (IQ is still one of the best predictors of succes later in life), but how would that flaw Asians average higher IQ scores?

No - I'm telling you that Asian kids who imitated their non-Asian peers in America did no better in school. I also told you in the earlier post that non-Asian American students did as well in school as the Asians - provided that they worked as hard. There is not one scrap of scientifically acceptable evidence that any one race is inherently more intelligent than any other race.

Use and disuse was shot down when it was scientifically demonstrated not to work.

Yes, there are gifted people - among all races. But such people are few and far between. Rare indeed is the child who, like the 5 year-old Mozart, can play any piece of music, no matter how complex, after hearing it once or having merely glanced at the sheet music: Mozart was an exception, not the rule. Most people who do well in school are not "smarter" - they work harder. It's not until one hits the college level that doing well in school requires any real hard work, anyway; there is something of a proving ground - a lot of the "geniuses" who skated through elementary, middle, and highschool drop out, while those who always worked hard forge ahead.

[cjs55]

I don't like traditional jewish culture mainly becuse A) They are God's chosen people (as harmfully racist as it gets), and B] they support genital mutilation.

A) causes most of the problems. I think that there is certainly a view amongst some jews that they really have a superior culture, and even a superior race, due to their religion and to their upbringing (and also to the fact they are often indeed very smart...although that intelligence does not necessarily come with wisdom). Anti-semitism is somewhat of a backlash against this very strong view combined with the fact that jews have been minorities in other cultures for quite a while. Jews could be seen as being anti-the majority culture (that they are living in) due to all of this, and why the fuck would the majority culture like that?

B] I don't like just because I was circumcised and feel violated because of it.


That said anyone who is flat out bigoted in their affairs is a fool. Whether they be Jewish considering all gentiles below them, or vise versa.

[cjs55]

No - I'm telling you that Asian kids who imitated their non-Asian peers in America did no better in school.

Culture represents genetics, and then itself influences genetics, and it goes back and forth. Culture becomes the agent of natural selection and is itself part of the environment, thus is totally entwined with genetics.

The reason "asian" culture mandates discipline is mixed with the fact that they are better at it genetically. They have on average lower testerone (fact). They have on average higher IQ (fact) [although you can argue that IQ is meaningless...it sure is a decent gage of certain things at least]. Not too tough.


Of course if you take someone out of one culture and into a different one, they can easily perform in a different way (athough probably not quite as well). That doesn't mean that genetic tendencies don't exist, however.

[omnirook]

Yes, if you live in some one else's community and you prefer middle class and upper class occupations (shopowner, merchant, banker, ...) to farming, hunting, fishing or cattle raising, you're feeding off others.

OK - then include the MILLIONS of NON-Jewish Americans who do not farm, hunt, fish, or raise cattle for their livings: a lot of goyim are "living off" others, too - in fact, in today's America, by your standards, just about everyone is a leech ... What do you do for a living - farm, hunt, fish, or raise cattle?

[jittus rye]

Culture represents genetics, and then itself influences genetics, and it goes back and forth. Culture becomes the agent of natural selection and is itself part of the environment, thus is totally entwined with genetics.
Hey, I agree.


OK - then include the MILLIONS of NON-Jewish Americans who do not farm, hunt, fish, or raise cattle for their livings: a lot of goyim are "living off" others, too - in fact, in today's America, by your standards, just about everyone is a leech ... What do you do for a living - farm, hunt, fish, or raise cattle?
I guess metaphorical comparisons between past societies and our own modern society eludes you. The farming, hunting, fishing, and cattle raising of yesterday is obviously the service industry, line manufacturing, cube jobs, and other miscallaneous labors that are low paying and in low prestiege. Please try to convince with ideas rather than solely rhetoric.

[omnirook]

How many Jews do you people know?

I grew up in Flushing, a neighborhood in Queens, in New York City.

Flushing is now a mixed neighborhood w/a large number of Koreans in the north and a large number of Indians in the south.

But, when I was a kid, in the late 60's and in the 70's, Flushing was almost solidly a Jewish neighborhood. Why? Because things change. When my father grew up in Flushing, it was an Italian and black neighborhood, my father's next door neighbors and his best friend were black, and he was Italian.

By the time I was growing up, the Jews from the Bronx had settled into Flushing and outnumbered everybody 10 to one. My family and one other family were the only non-Jews in a 5 block radius. Believe me, I lived among Jews, had Jews for my neighbors, and got to know lots of Jews.

My best friends were all Jewish. In the all years that I was growing up among Jews, I never once had a problem. W/o fail, everybody on the block made sure to wish me a "Merry Christmas" and a "Happy Easter," and I got invited to God-only-knows how many weddings, Bar Mitzvah's, and other affairs that were not strictly religious in nature. I also attended sedars and brisks and other events that were strictly religious in nature. Never a problem. I've been to many, many shivah's - the week of mourning for the dead. I was never given an attitude, I was never left out, I was never told that I was less because I was not Jewish. I'm talking being so out-numbered that mistreating me would have been real easy. It never happened. Never. When my mother died, St John Vianney was overflowing with teary-eyed JEWS who were as grieved as any Christian present - Jews who went through the trouble of paying for masses to be said for the repose of my mother's soul.

[omnirook]

Hey, I agree.


I guess metaphorical comparisons between past societies and our own modern society eludes you. The farming, hunting, fishing, and cattle raising of yesterday is obviously the service industry, line manufacturing, cube jobs, and other miscallaneous labors that are low paying and in low prestiege. Please try to convince with ideas rather than solely rhetoric.

And no Jews have such jobs and no non-Jews are sitting in corporate board rooms.

I suppose the legion of yarmulka-wearing young men who grunt and groan under the weight of boxes and furniture and other heavy things that Moishe's Delivery Service hauls around New York and New Jersey are mirages. I suppose the legion of Hasidic young men who slave away in factories and on loading docks in Williamsburg, Brooklyn are also a mirage. I know that the Jew who was out shoveling snow from parking lots in Maspeth last winter was a figment of my immagination. The 4 drivers who work for me and take off Jewish holidays are liars - they're really Christians who don't mind working on Christmas, so long as they can get Passover off. After all, there's no such thing as a Jew who needs to work for a living! How could there be? Jews own everything and live by collecting outrageous rents from non-Jews.

One of our drivers goes by the nickname "Mole" because he works nights and wears thick glasses and, well, looks like a mole. He's a Jew. His working extra shifts to support his crippled cousin who lives in his apartment and working extra shifts to take care of all the stray cats and dogs he's taken in is a sham, a front. Really, he's a fabulously wealthy investment banker. The fact that I've had to guarantee to the vet that Mole will eventually be able to pay his bill means nothing. He's really this heartless shylock who uses being dirt poor as a cover for his stolen billions.

[imfrellinggay]

Here is a conspiracy:

Neshika - רינת בר

Its a cover of Tarkan's Şımarık. But I think its better than the original.

[imfrellinggay]

And no Jews have such jobs and no non-Jews are sitting in corporate board rooms.

I suppose the legion of yarmulka-wearing young men who grunt and groan under the weight of boxes and furniture and other heavy things that Moishe's Delivery Service hauls around New York and New Jersey are mirages. I suppose the legion of Hasidic young men who slave away in factories and on loading docks in Williamsburg, Brooklyn are also a mirage. I know that the Jew who was out shoveling snow from parking lots in Maspeth last winter was a figment of my immagination. The 4 drivers who work for me and take off Jewish holidays are liars - they're really Christians who don't mind working on Christmas, so long as they can get Passover off. After all, there's no such thing as a Jew who needs to work for a living! How could there be? Jews own everything and live by collecting outrageous rents from non-Jews.

One of our drivers goes by the nickname "Mole" because he works nights and wears thick glasses and, well, looks like a mole. He's a Jew. His working extra shifts to support his crippled cousin who lives in his apartment and working extra shifts to take care of all the stray cats and dogs he's taken in is a sham, a front. Really, he's a fabulously wealthy investment banker. The fact that I've had to guarantee to the vet that Mole will eventually be able to pay his bill means nothing. He's really this heartless shylock who uses being dirt poor as a cover for his stolen billions.

On that note, I'm not really a low-paid office assistant, I'm the VP of my dad's company.

:ph34r:

[omnirook]

From Wikipedia ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-semitism

Restrictions to marginal occupations (tax collecting, moneylending, etc.)
Among socio-economic factors were restrictions by the authorities, local rulers and frequently church officials who closed many professions to the Jews, pushing them into marginal occupations considered socially inferior, such as local tax and rent collecting or moneylending, seen in these times as a "necessary evil" due to the increasing population and urbanization during the High Middle Ages. Catholic doctrine of the time held that moneylending for interest was a sin, and as such Jews tended to dominate this business. The Torah and later sections of the Hebrew Bible criticise Usury but the Bible is slightly ambiguous. Jews were forced into money lending as there were few other occupations open to them. This provided support for claims that Jews are insolent, greedy, engaged in usury, and in itself contributed to a negative image. Natural tensions between creditors (typically Jews) and debtors (typically Christians) were added to social, political, religious and economic strains. Peasants who were forced to pay their taxes to Jews could personify them as the people taking their earnings while remaining loyal to the lords on whose behalf the Jews worked.

Blood libels
Main articles: blood libel, list of blood libels against Jews
On many occasions, Jews were accused of a blood libel, the supposed drinking of blood of Christian children in mockery of the Christian Eucharist. According to the authors of these blood libels, the 'procedure' for the alleged sacrifice was something like this: a child who had not yet reached puberty was kidnapped and taken to a hidden place. The child would be tortured by Jews, and a crowd would gather at the place of execution (in some accounts the synagogue itself) and engage in a mock tribunal to try the child. The child would be presented to the tribunal naked and tied and eventually be condemned to death. In the end, the child would be crowned with thorns and tied or nailed to a wooden cross. The cross would be raised, and the blood dripping from the child's wounds would be caught in bowls or glasses. Finally, the child would be killed with a thrust through the heart from a spear, sword, or dagger. Its dead body would be removed from the cross and concealed or disposed of, but in some instances rituals of black magic would be performed on it. This method, with some variations, can be found in all the alleged Christian descriptions of ritual murder by Jews.
The story of William of Norwich (d. 1144) is the first known case of ritual murder being alleged by a Christian monk, while the story of Little Saint Hugh of Lincoln (d. 1255) said that after the boy was dead, his body was removed from the cross and laid on a table. His belly was cut open and his entrails removed for some occult purpose, such as a divination ritual. The story of Simon of Trent (d. 1475) emphasized how the boy was held over a large bowl so all his blood could be collected. Simon was regarded as a saint, and was canonized by Pope Sixtus V in 1588. The cult of Simon was disbanded in 1965 by Pope Paul VI, and the shrine erected to him was dismantled. He was removed from the calendar, and his future veneration was forbidden, though a handful of extremists still promote the narrative as a fact. In the 20th century, the Beilis Trial in Russia and the Kielce pogrom represented incidents of blood libel in Europe. Unproved rumours of Jews killing Christians were used to try and justify real killing of Jews by Christians.
More recently blood libel stories have appeared a number of times in the state-sponsored media of a number of Arab nations, in Arab television shows, and on websites.

[jittus rye]

And no Jews have such jobs and no non-Jews are sitting in corporate board rooms.

I suppose the legion of yarmulka-wearing young men who grunt and groan under the weight of boxes and furniture and other heavy things that Moishe's Delivery Service hauls around New York and New Jersey are mirages. I suppose the legion of Hasidic young men who slave away in factories and on loading docks in Williamsburg, Brooklyn are also a mirage. I know that the Jew who was out shoveling snow from parking lots in Maspeth last winter was a figment of my immagination. The 4 drivers who work for me and take off Jewish holidays are liars - they're really Christians who don't mind working on Christmas, so long as they can get Passover off. After all, there's no such thing as a Jew who needs to work for a living! How could there be? Jews own everything and live by collecting outrageous rents from non-Jews.

One of our drivers goes by the nickname "Mole" because he works nights and wears thick glasses and, well, looks like a mole. He's a Jew. His working extra shifts to support his crippled cousin who lives in his apartment and working extra shifts to take care of all the stray cats and dogs he's taken in is a sham, a front. Really, he's a fabulously wealthy investment banker. The fact that I've had to guarantee to the vet that Mole will eventually be able to pay his bill means nothing. He's really this heartless shylock who uses being dirt poor as a cover for his stolen billions.

Excellent, that was a great rebutal, much better than your original piece. Let me see if I can dig up information on the matter.

This is the 2003 Jewish by state data, the first number is quantity in thousands, and the second number is percentage. (Z) indicates the sample was not large enough to measure.

United States---6,155---2.2
Alabama---------9-------0.2
Alaska----------3-------0.5
Arizona---------82------1.6
Arkansas--------2-------0.1
California------999-----2.9
Colorado--------73------1.7
Connecticut-----111-----3.3
Delaware---------14-----1.7
D.C.------------26------4.5
Florida---------620-----3.9
Georgia---------94------1.1
Hawaii----------7-------0.6
Idaho-----------1-------0.1
Illinois--------270-----2.2
Indiana---------18------0.3
Iowa------------6-------0.2
Kansas----------14------0.5
Kentucky--------12------0.3
Louisiana-------16------0.4
Maine-----------9-------0.7
Maryland--------213-----4.0
Massachusetts---275-----4.3
Michigan--------110-----1.1
Minnesota-------42------0.9
Mississippi-----1-------0.1
Missouri--------63------1.1
Montana---------1-------0.1
Nebraska--------7-------0.4
Nevada----------77------3.8
New Hampshire---10------0.8
New Jersey------485-----5.8
New Mexico------12------0.6
New York--------1,657---8.7
North Carolina--26------0.3
North Dakota----(Z)-----0.1
Ohio------------149-----1.3
Oklahoma--------5-------0.1
Oregon----------32------0.9
Pennsylvania----282-----2.3
Rhode Island----16------1.5
South Carolina--11------0.3
South Dakota----(Z)-----(Z)
Tennessee-------18------0.3
Texas-----------131-----0.6
Utah------------5-------0.2
Vermont---------6-------0.9
Virginia--------66------0.9
Washington------43------0.7
West Virginia---2-------0.1
Wisconsin-------28------0.5
Wyoming---------(Z)-----0.1

If you look at the values, you'll clearly notice that New York indeed has a lot of Jews. Therefore there is possibly more visible variation, due to each person being one quantity, and the chances of variation being greater the more variables or quantities that can be drawn from, surely there should be a visible variety in NY Jewish population. Level of saturation of any group in any area is going to have an effect on the behavior and oppertunities of the group. A comparison can be found in US school cafeterias:

"Self-segregation can also be a way to cope with racism.

Hall said, "When I walked into one of my freshman year honors seminars, somebody looked at me and asked me if I had the right room. I take that as they thought I didn't belong in that class."

Senior Ryan Spiegel says he feels comfortable with his peer group of Jewish males. "I have a bond with them because we have similar childhoods," he said. "We have similar religious beliefs."

Spiegel says, "As long as we continue to make sure that self-segregation isn't the only thing that's happened; as long as it has, as its counterpart, the ability and the willingness to go out and interact with students who are not similar to yourself, then it's OK to self-segregate." "

The larger the degree of culture integration having overriden race-based culture, the lesser the degree of self-segregation based on race.

I am unable to find economic data directly correlated with religion.

[Swift]

OK - then include the MILLIONS of NON-Jewish Americans who do not farm, hunt, fish, or raise cattle for their livings: a lot of goyim are "living off" others, too - in fact, in today's America, by your standards, just about everyone is a leech ... What do you do for a living - farm, hunt, fish, or raise cattle?I don't farm or hunt, but some of my people do or have done so. Historically, the jews in the diaspora have never been engaged in professions like this. Oh by the way, if you occupy a middle class or upper class profession in somebody else's country unless there's a need for it, I call that leeching too.

PS: A lot of the heavy work in Israel is done by Palestinians or Eastern Europeans who work for shit. So much for the self-sufficient kibbutz.

[Swift]

How many Jews do you people know?Personally, I know one jewish family. They're a bit odd, but I'm not saying all jews are odd, or Illuminati, or bankers, or baby-sacrificing satanists.

A friend of mine has Chassidic jews as neighboors and they never bothered to say even hello to her.

And it's not because you grew up in Jew York that you know everything about jews. Some are pleasant, some are not. I'm sure you've had fond memories of them. But somehow it's really odd that they got kicked out of every country they ever lived in. I want to know why.

[Swift]

[I]Restrictions to marginal occupations (tax collecting, moneylending, etc.)
Among socio-economic factors were restrictions by the authorities, local rulers and frequently church officials who closed many professions to the Jews, pushing them into marginal occupations considered socially inferior, such as local tax and rent collecting or moneylending, seen in these times as a "necessary evil" due to the increasing population and urbanization during the High Middle Ages. Catholic doctrine of the time held that moneylending for interest was a sin, and as such Jews tended to dominate this business. The Torah and later sections of the Hebrew Bible criticise Usury but the Bible is slightly ambiguous.Did I read this correct? Were jews given a banking monopoly by the Roman Catholic Church? How evil. You can give me a banking monopoly any time. Oh by the way, the jewish scriptures only forbid usury amongst fellow jews.


Jews were forced into money lending as there were few other occupations open to them.I surfed to Amazon.com and I picked up the following book: Jewish Life In The Middle Ages (http://www.amazon.com/Jewish-Life-In-Middle-Ages/dp/1417947500/ref=si3_rdr_bb_product/102-2571662-9727363?ie=UTF8), written by somebody called Isreal Abrahams, in case someone thinks I'm quoting anti-semite stuff here. In Chapter XI: Trades and occupations, he gives some examples of jewish occupations:


Merchants, international trades
Dyers, silk manufacturers
Glass workers
Makers of metal implements
Printers
Cloth manufacturers, dealers in wool
Sailors
...


There's more than enough choice, you see.

EDIT: Also take a look at the profession he describes in chapter VI. No reason to dislike jews?

Just like you, he also says something about jews being pushed in the money lending bussines, but I think that's crap. Jews have been bankers, merchants and moneylenders throughout the entire Middle East. I'm not saying that banking and trading is a bad thing. It's good for the economy, but it's perfectly understandable that usury will piss certain people off.

Sure, some trades were closed for jews. Priesthood, for example. :) No, just kidding. The guilds didn't open their trades for the jews, but then again, they didn't open their trades for anybody not born to a member of a guild. Guild trades were passed from father to son. So it was not only jews that were discriminated.

As a last word about usury, I don't really understand liberals who are crying about third world countries that are bound by money loans they will never be able to pay back, and at the same time not understand that jewish usurers in the Middle Ages held other people in financial bondage in much the same way.

Do you think the destruction of Beirut and Lebanon served a military purpose? No, the Israeli's destroyed as much as they can, in order to make Lebanon dependent on foreign reconstruction loans, for a long, long time to come.


Blood libelsBlood libels are crap, and I don't know where people keep getting them. I think only those dumb Arabs are dumb enough to believe this shit. Stupid crap like this will always exist, so jews mix it with the rest to make all criticism look stupid and irrational. What are those Arabs going to do anyway?

[omnirook]

Personally, I know one jewish family. They're a bit odd, but I'm not saying all jews are odd, or Illuminati, or bankers, or baby-sacrificing satanists. And friend of mine has Chassidic jews as neighboors and they never bothered to say even hello to her.

And it's not because you grew up in Jew York that you know everything about jews. Some are pleasant, some are not. I'm sure you've had fond memories of them. But somehow it's really odd that they got kicked out of every country they ever lived in. I want to know why.

Saying that anyone is rich and powerful and in control of the world because he is Jewish is as anti-Semitic as saying that all Jews are part of an ancient plot to rule the world. Yes, as noted, there are rich and powerful people who are Jewish - just as there are rich and powerful people who are not Jewish. What does being Jewish have to do w/being a power-hungry SOB who cheats and abuses poor people? A corrupt, money-hungry, cheating, viscious fuck is a corrupt, money-hungry, cheating, viscious fuck, no matter whether he's Gentile or Jew! As long as you can find Jews who do not fit into the stereotype, then the stereotype is invalid. It was not, for instance, Jews who set up the Jim Crow laws and the share-cropping deals that robbed and cheated both blacks and whites in the post-Civil War South: it was White Anglo-Saxon Protestants who did that. It was not Jews who crushed pre-union white Americans in the mines of Pennsylvania and Ohio - it was white Christians, like Vanderbilt and Carnegie and Rockefeller. These men were not Jews. Hell, Ford hated Jews and paid to have "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" published in the United States ... I just can't get your point ... Some Jews have made it to the top and sit w/the high and mighty - so, what? What, only non-Jews could do that w/o being monstrous fiends? Bullshit. Now every Jew has to be punished because some of his fellow Jews gate-crashed what was supposed to be a WASP-only party? ... What's your point?

[booyalab]

A) causes most of the problems. I think that there is certainly a view amongst some jews that they really have a superior culture, and even a superior race, due to their religion and to their upbringing (and also to the fact they are often indeed very smart...although that intelligence does not necessarily come with wisdom). Anti-semitism is somewhat of a backlash against this very strong view combined with the fact that jews have been minorities in other cultures for quite a while. Jews could be seen as being anti-the majority culture (that they are living in) due to all of this, and why the fuck would the majority culture like that?


I partially agree with you, and this leads to the only possible decent argument for some kind of Jewish conspiracy I can think of. As I alluded to in another thread, yesterday I believe, the religion of the Ancient Hebrews is NOT the same religion as Judaism is today. But the Jewish community's main justification for an exclusively "Jewish" homeland comes from the Old Testament.

However, if there is one, I dont think every Jew is "in on it". Most of them would have had to be as duped as the rest of us, since at LEAST most of them are clearly just like the rest of us.

[rawr]

My x girlfriend was jewish and her dad owned 6 malls and lived in a 120k dollar house. His whole family is weathy actualy. They were very nice people though, and lived in a normal suburban middle class area.

[Swift]

My x girlfriend was jewish and her dad owned 6 malls and lived in a 120k dollar house. His whole family is weathy actualy. They were very nice people though, and lived in a normal suburban middle class area.How did you fuck up with her? Or did she left you to marry a fellow jew?

[rawr]

How did you fuck up with her? Or did she left you to marry a fellow jew?

Her mom died of cancer and she was living off allamony from her dad, she moved to arkansas right afterwords to stay closer to her dads business headquarters.

[nomir_dva]

I don't farm or hunt, but some of my people do or have done so. Historically, the jews in the diaspora have never been engaged in professions like this. Oh by the way, if you occupy a middle class or upper class profession in somebody else's country unless there's a need for it, I call that leeching too.

PS: A lot of the heavy work in Israel is done by Palestinians or Eastern Europeans who work for shit. So much for the self-sufficient kibbutz.

My grandfather, and all the countless thousands of rural Jews who lived in Eastern Europe before World War II, performed manual labor for a living. And those Eastern Europeans you mention - are they not Jews themselves?


And it's not because you grew up in Jew York that you know everything about jews. Some are pleasant, some are not. I'm sure you've had fond memories of them. But somehow it's really odd that they got kicked out of every country they ever lived in. I want to know why.

Yes, it's somehow odd that people who were never in the majority managed to be oppressed. If the Jews sought and accepted converts like Chrisitians and Muslims, and did not place so much emphasis on matrilineal descent, I assure you that their historical experience would have been much less unusual.

[Swift]

Saying that anyone is rich and powerful and in control of the world because he is Jewish is as anti-Semitic as saying that all Jews are part of an ancient plot to rule the world. I agree.

[Swift]

My grandfather, and all the countless thousands of rural Jews who lived in Eastern Europe before World War II, performed manual labor for a living. And those Eastern Europeans you mention - are they not Jews themselves?What do you mean with manual labor? Do you mean he was a craftsman like a tailor or a shoemaker? I consider those kinds of crafts as being a class higher than farmers. Also, don't forget that during the Middle Ages, the majority (80% (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emancipation_reform_of_1861_in_Russia)) of lower class people were simply serfs. Jews were not. They could pack up and leave. Serfdom (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serfdom) in Poland lasted until 1807, in Russia until 1861.

And no, I was really referring to Eastern European migrant workers, not jews. According to a 2003 Human Rights Organisation report, their number is about 135.000.



Migrant workers in Israel: A contemporary Form of Slavery (http://www.fidh.org/article.php3?id_article=358)

An investigative mission report on the situation of migrant workers in Israel is released today. The report is the outcome of a joint investigative mission by the International Federation for Human Rights (FIDH) and the Euro-Mediterranean Human Rights Network (EMHRN).

The report draws attention to the alarming situation of 300 000 foreign workers - 60% of which are illegal.

Half of the migrants are from Asia (China, Thailand, the Philippines), 45 % from Eastern European countries (mainly Romania and Moldova) and the rest from African and Latin American countries.


If the Jews sought and accepted converts like Christians and Muslims, and did not place so much emphasis on matrilineal descent, I assure you that their historical experience would have been much less unusual.I'm not really sure why you think matrilineal descent is a root cause for persecution of jews, but being a tribal religion, weary to accept converts, certainly has something to do with it. The words nepotism, chauvinism and double standard come to mind.

[demagogic_schizoid]

If Jews really did secretly control the world, then surely we should be admiring them for being so powerful and rich despite being such a small minority, rather than hating them for it. After all, every race has tried to rule over their neighbours, for the Jews to be the only ones who succeeded despite being numerically disadvantaged and not even having a homeland would surely make them superior to the masses of ignorant peasants who kept them rich by agreeing to borrow their money and pay them back at extortionate rates. So good for the Jews.

Not that I believe they do control the world, although they are very rich and powerful considering there are only about 6 million of them (I think). I also believe they are Britain's wealthiest and most integrated minority, and wealthier than non-Jewish white Briton's.

[omnirook]

If Jews really did secretly control the world, then surely we should be admiring them for being so powerful and rich despite being such a small minority, rather than hating them for it. After all, every race has tried to rule over their neighbours, for the Jews to be the only ones who succeeded despite being numerically disadvantaged and not even having a homeland would surely make them superior to the masses of ignorant peasants who kept them rich by agreeing to borrow their money and pay them back at extortionate rates. So good for the Jews.

Not that I believe they do control the world, although they are very rich and powerful considering there are only about 6 million of them (I think). I also believe they are Britain's wealthiest and most integrated minority, and wealthier than non-Jewish white Briton's.
There are about 18 million Jews worldwide, most of them not living in Israel, of course.

A quick perusal of Forbes' Richest List, which is published annually, shows that most of the richest people in Britain are NOT Jewish, though the perennial topper of the list, The Duke of Westminster, has slid down to 3rd place. Yes, the richest person currently residing in the United Kingdom is, in fact, a Jew - a Russian-born Jew, who sought and got asylum in the UK, most probably because of his huge fortune ... Many on the list are - not surprisingly - members of Britain's ancient aristocracy, many titles preceding the names, dukes, marquesses, earls, viscounts, and barons all well represented - The Baron Rothschild among them - yes, he is Jewish. OK, there are rich Jews in Britain - but, most Jews in Britain are not rich, and most of the rich in Britain are not Jewish.

[shum]

http://www.intpcentral.com/uploads/bananabeard.gif

(my apologies. i was just on a banana hunt...)

carry on.

[omnirook]

http://www.forbes.com/billionaires/

The Top Ten


William Gates
Warren Buffett
Carlos Slim Helu
Ingvar Kamprad
Lakshmi Mittal
Paul Allen
Bernard Arnault
Prince Alwaleed
Kenneth Thomson
Li Ka-shing

Per Forbes Magazene, these are the 10 richest people in the world - what a lot of Jews!

[nomir_dva]

What do you mean with manual labor? Do you mean he was a craftsman like a tailor or a shoemaker? I consider those kinds of crafts as being a class higher than farmers. Also, don't forget that during the Middle Ages, the majority (80% (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emancipation_reform_of_1861_in_Russia)) of lower class people were simply serfs. Jews were not. They could pack up and leave. Serfdom (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serfdom) in Poland lasted until 1807, in Russia until 1861.

The man was a farmer, not a tailor or a craftsman, and so were the majority of Jews in his village. Three hundred people couldn't all be craftsmen. Serfdom was abolished long before my grandfather's life, but in any case, if I remember my European history, there was a zone in Russia within which Jews were allowed to settle and live - that's not exactly freedom either.


And no, I was really referring to Eastern European migrant workers, not jews. According to a 2003 Human Rights Organisation report, their number is about 135.000.



Migrant workers in Israel: A contemporary Form of Slavery (http://www.fidh.org/article.php3?id_article=358)

An investigative mission report on the situation of migrant workers in Israel is released today. The report is the outcome of a joint investigative mission by the International Federation for Human Rights (FIDH) and the Euro-Mediterranean Human Rights Network (EMHRN).

The report draws attention to the alarming situation of 300 000 foreign workers - 60% of which are illegal.

Half of the migrants are from Asia (China, Thailand, the Philippines), 45 % from Eastern European countries (mainly Romania and Moldova) and the rest from African and Latin American countries.

So you're talking about 150,000 Eastern European workers - I don't think that they are the principal source of manual labor in a country of six million.


I'm not really sure why you think matrilineal descent is a root cause for persecution of jews, but being a tribal religion, weary to accept converts, certainly has something to do with it. The words nepotism, chauvinism and double standard come to mind.

The issue is not specifically matrilineal descent, but that conversion into Judaism is rare and difficult, and this is probably at least partially due to the ethnic component of what it means to be a Jew. The ancient Isrealites identified themselves with the land. If people migrated into the area, they could join the culture and religion. When they were forced into exile by the Assyrians and Babylonians, the Jews had to find a new source of identity, and that became familial relation to pre-existing Jews.

[david2341.]

the vatican is actually the richest with the wealthy jews likely in second place

the wealthy jews cant rule the world alone ... or at least they're just playing a minor part

[Swift]

Yes, the richest person currently residing in the United Kingdom is, in fact, a Jew - a Russian-born Jew, who sought and got asylum in the UK, most probably because of his huge fortune ... Must be one of those Russian oligarchs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_oligarch)... those guys are famous for buying up Russia's best company's for three times nothing and making a fortune out of it. He's wanted because of fraud and corruption, not because he's wealthy. :rolleyes:



The concentration of immense financial and industrial power, which loans for shares had assisted, extended to the mass media. One of the most prominent of the financial barons, Boris Berezovsky, who controlled major stakes in several banks and companies, exerted an extensive influence over state television programming for a while. Berezovsky and other ultra-wealthy, well-connected tycoons who controlled these great empires of finance, industry, energy, telecommunications, and media became known as the "Russian oligarchs". Along with Berezovsky, Mikhail Khodorkovsky, Roman Abramovich, Vladimir Potanin, Vladimir Bogdanov, Rem Viakhirev, Vagit Alekperov, Viktor Chernomyrdin, Victor Vekselberg, and Mikhail Fridman emerged as Russia's most powerful and prominent oligarchs.

SOURCE: Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_post-Soviet_Russia#The_.22loans_for_shares.22_scheme_and_the_rise_of_the_.22oligarchs.22)

The ones in bold are listed on Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Russian_Jews#Oligarchs) as jews.

[songbird36]

I've had people tell me w/straight faces that Jews really worship Satan and that they kidnap and sacrifice "goyim" babies. Oh, ok, yeah, go have your thorazine shot, and then we'll talk.



I'm wondering what kinda people you hang out with...

[Swift]

The man was a farmer, not a tailor or a craftsman, and so were the majority of Jews in his village. Three hundred people couldn't all be craftsmen. Serfdom was abolished long before my grandfather's life, but in any case, if I remember my European history, there was a zone in Russia within which Jews were allowed to settle and live - that's not exactly freedom either.Yes, but I was rather referring to the Middle Ages, as the time in which jews were restricted from certain jobs by Papal Decree. The area you were talking about is the Pale of Settlement (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Pale_of_Settlement). Considering the limited amount of liberty the common man (the serf) had during that period, in comparison the limitation of jewish settlement to a certain geographical area is not that bad.

And if Wikipedia is right, there certainly was a good reason for the institution of the Pale:

The Pale was first created by Catherine the Great in 1791, after several failed attempts by her predecessors, notably the Empress Elizabeth, to remove Jews from Russia entirely unless they converted to Russian Orthodoxy. The reasons for its creation were primarily economic and nationalist. While Russian society had traditionally been divided mainly into nobles, serfs and clergy, industrial progress led to the emergence of a middle class, which was rapidly being filled by Jews, who did not belong to either sector. By limiting their area of residence, the imperial powers were ensuring the growth of a non-Jewish middle class.
Catherine can be said to have established the Pale as a compromise between those members of government who continued advocating the complete expulsion of the Jews, her own liberal tendencies, and the interests of the local population of the provinces, who suffered economically from the lack of a mercantile class of Jews.
I'm taking the last sentence (in Italic) with a grain of salt though.

Anyhow, the Pale of Settlement was in the jew's own interest. Unrestricted jewish settlement could have triggered anti-semitic reactions from the locals.

[Swift]

I've had people tell me w/straight faces that Jews really worship Satan and that they kidnap and sacrifice "goyim" babies.
I'm wondering what kinda people you hang out with...Me too actually. Did that really happen or are you trying to make us feel pity for you? :nono:

[omnirook]

I'm wondering what kinda people you hang out with...

All sorts of people.

There are those that I "hang out" with, and there are those that I do business with. In some cases, the 2 overlap.

Don't forget - Nicki is Russian. Because of Nicki, I've gotten to know a lot of Russians. Anti-Semitism is rife among Russians ... Russian immigrants fall into 4 distinct categories:

1 - former ruling elites - A- Imperial, B- Soviet [especially KGB]

2 - organized criminals - including some from category 1, types A and B

3 - ordinary Russians, who, one way or another, have managed to get visas

4 - Jews (whom the others do not consider true Russians - BUT ...) - A- honest folk, B- organized criminals

There's a great deal of interaction, at least for survival and business reasons. They might despise each other internally, but, externally, they close ranks against the world and become "Russians abroad" - especially when dealing w/the authorities. No other group is as solid against the US authorities as the Russians. Arrest one, hold him for days, and get nothing from him/her - nothing, not a word. It's hopeless, and the US authorities know it. "Fuck you!" is the attitude.

[omnirook]

Me too actually. Did that really happen or are you trying to make us feel pity for you? :nono:

No.

Bill made a fortune in the late 80's and early 90's arranging super-secret sitdowns between various publicly opposed groups: the details of rallies, marches, protests, etc, are worked out beforehand in a very business-like manner, each side getting a share of the federal dollars that officially go to the "aggrieved" party. There's no point in rallying or marching or protesting if your enemy is not there, creating the circus-like atmosphere that the news cameras just love. The hate is real, but business is business, and money is money. I got to meet a lot people on both sides. And, yes, I was "treated" to some pretty incredible horseshit, told w/straight faces, including the one about God having marked Ham by turning him black and decreeing that he and his descendants would be slaves to Noah's other sons.

One time, I stood for 3 hours and listened while a very earnest anti-Semite told me all about how the Jews ruled the world because they truly worshipped Satan, who was given dominion on earth until Judgement day. The Christians were white people (and their former black slaves) who were given a tiny bit of the "outer" Jewish religion - Christianity - so that they would be docile slaves and gather in churches where the Jews could collect their "psychic energy" and harness it for world dominion. Yes, I heard all about that.

[omnirook]

Oh, yeah, I almost forgot - whites (and blacks - this guy did not hate black people) should worship their ancestral gods. The whites should worship the gods of Greece, Rome, and the Germanic tribes, whichever is appropriate, whichever appeals to them - not Satan, who is the true god of the Jews.

And all of this was deliverd calmly, no foaming at the mouth, w/books and charts and diagrams ... Oh, yeah - the Masons are in on it and are to be hated and feared. They, after all, helped to deprive the world of its proper and natural form of government, monarchy. It was the Jews and their henchmen, the Freemasons who killed the French King and the Russian Tsar, and they are the ones who are keeping the British Queen prisoner, a figurehead in a gilded cage. And, yes, Elizabeth II is the rightful ruler of north America; the American Government is an agent of the Devil ... Oh, yeah, it's out there, walking around, not in a rubber room somewhere.

[Swift]

Who are Nicki and Bill, by the way?

[Heleuiski]

Oh, yeah, I almost forgot - whites (and blacks - this guy did not hate black people) should worship their ancestral gods. The whites should worship the gods of Greece, Rome, and the Germanic tribes, whichever is appropriate, whichever appeals to them - not Satan, who is the true god of the Jews.

And all of this was deliverd calmly, no foaming at the mouth, w/books and charts and diagrams ... Oh, yeah - the Masons are in on it and are to be hated and feared. They, after all, helped to deprive the world of its proper and natural form of government, monarchy. It was the Jews and their henchmen, the Freemasons who killed the French King and the Russian Tsar, and they are the ones who are keeping the British Queen prisoner, a figurehead in a gilded cage. And, yes, Elizabeth II is the rightful ruler of north America; the American Government is an agent of the Devil ... Oh, yeah, it's out there, walking around, not in a rubber room somewhere.


It's not the Jews you have to be worried about it's the grey aliens.

Teh New World Order dude.

[omnirook]

Who are Nicki and Bill, by the way?

Bill is my best friend and my business partner (along w/his wife, Irene).

Nicki (Nicholas) is my life-mate.

I'm Italian/English; Bill is Irish/Italian; Nicki is Russian ("White Russian," meaning the ousted Imperial elites); Irene is also Russian - the child of one of Stalin's forced "Russification" emigre's who grew up in Lithuania. When the SU broke, she found herself w/o a country: Russia claimed that she was Lithuanian; Lithuania claimed that she was Russian.

[omnirook]

It's not the Jews you have to be worried about it's the grey aliens.

Teh New World Order dude.

I thought they were green. The one that visits my room every other Thursday - except during Blopdi-oopdi-glapf season, of course - is green; he/she has a huge phallus, udders, and 3 eyes, 2 in front, 1 in back.

[Swift]

Bill made a fortune in the late 80's and early 90's arranging super-secret sitdowns between various publicly opposed groups: the details of rallies, marches, protests, etc, are worked out beforehand in a very business-like manner, each side getting a share of the federal dollars that officially go to the "aggrieved" party. There's no point in rallying or marching or protesting if your enemy is not there, creating the circus-like atmosphere that the news cameras just love. What kind of 'publicly opposed groups' are we talking about? Do you mean that 'Bill' made deals between gays and fundamental Christians in which the fundi's potted a part of the money that was supposed to be governement funding for fag groups? :confused:

[Hustler]

This is ridiculous. A rhetoric vs. anecdotes battle on a site for INTPs. Very disappointing. Whatever, I guess you two deserve each other.

[Swift]

Bill is my best friend and my business partner (along w/his wife, Irene).What kind of bussiness are you actually in?

[Swift]

This is ridiculous. A rhetoric vs. anecdotes battle on a site for INTPs. Very disappointing. Whatever, I guess you two deserve each other.Usually I get tired pretty quick of the "I know some jews and they are ok people" approach, but this guy has some interesting stories. If he's not pulling my leg though.

[omnirook]

This is ridiculous. A rhetoric vs. anecdotes battle on a site for INTPs. Very disappointing. Whatever, I guess you two deserve each other.

Oh, we do, definetely - a match made in Hell. Speaking of Hell ...

[Hustler]

Oh, we do, definetely - a match made in Hell. Speaking of Hell ...

Yes, we know. You live in New Jersey.

[omnirook]

What kind of 'publicly opposed groups' are we talking about? Do you mean that 'Bill' made deals between gays and fundamental Christians in which the fundi's potted a part of the money that was supposed to be governement funding for fag groups? :confused:

Confused? Good.

whites/blacks
anti-Semites/Jews
pro-choice/pro-life
etc

And, no, he made no deals; he just set up and "facilitated" their "business" meetings, which take place all the time, just like the IRA and the UDA met all the time. It's not confusing at all: Group A gets funding because Group B hates Group A, and Group B has been villified to the point that it's labelled a "racist" or a "hate" group - Group A gets more funding if there are lots of hysterical news reports and a sympathetic public - this doesn't happen w/o Group B's co-operation: hence the sitdowns to work out the details and discuss the split. Then Group B marches, spewing hate, and Group A shows up to protest, bringing the news cameras along. Cosy.

[Stoic]

Is there truth to every Jewish conspiracy theory? No.
Are there some groups of Jews up to no good? Yes.

[omnirook]

Yes, we know. You live in New Jersey.

After having had someone send me that video, I'm not surprised that you're stuck in one rut, endlessly plowing back and forth - "New Jersey! New Jersey! New Jersey! - like a parrot ... Oh, that was precious! None of us could stop laughing. Polly want a cracker?

Yes, I live in New Jersey - which you would not know if I had not told you - so what is your point?

[omnirook]

What kind of bussiness are you actually in?

limousine service
car service
courier service
messenger service
security
entertainment
massage therapy - legitimate and ...
general contracting for luxury developments and upgrades
catering
property management
landlord - residential, commercial, parking
towing
moving
exterminating - rodents, snakes, insects

This is what happens when you have a diversified, tight-knit group, everybody owning pieces of everything.

[Hustler]

Yes, I live in New Jersey - which you would not know if I had not told you - so what is your point?

You're the one who brought it up. No need to give us a dose of that stereotypical "big attitude" so common in New Jersey. Anyway, I won't interrupt this brilliant thread anymore. I'll let you get back to making worthless anecdotal arguments against Swift's rhetorical pandering.

[omnirook]

You're the one who brought it up. No need to give us a dose of that stereotypical "big attitude" so common in New Jersey. Anyway, I won't interrupt this brilliant thread anymore. I'll let you get back to making worthless anecdotal arguments against Swift's rhetorical pandering.

Thank you, darling.

[Lurker]

Something I learned from this thread: don't ask Omnirook open-ended questions.

[omnirook]

Something I learned from this thread: don't ask Omnirook open-ended questions.

Oh, I don't even need a question to get started! Any excuse to blather and ramble on will do, no matter how cheap and chinzy it may be. I'm just that way. Talk, talk, talk, talk, somehow it's all related, don't you see? ... Not only can I talk the ears off the proverbial wooden Indian, I can keep going until he's nothing more than a pile of sawdust at my feet. I just can't help myself.

[nomir_dva]

Is there truth to every Jewish conspiracy theory? No.
Are there some groups of Jews up to no good? Yes.

Certainly. But is that relevant?

[Swift]

And, no, he made no deals; he just set up and "facilitated" their "business" meetings, which take place all the time, just like the IRA and the UDA met all the time. It's not confusing at all: Group A gets funding because Group B hates Group A, and Group B has been villified to the point that it's labelled a "racist" or a "hate" group - Group A gets more funding if there are lots of hysterical news reports and a sympathetic public - this doesn't happen w/o Group B's co-operation: hence the sitdowns to work out the details and discuss the split. Then Group B marches, spewing hate, and Group A shows up to protest, bringing the news cameras along. Cosy.Are you telling me White Nationalist or Nazi organisations are getting paid by jews to protest against jews so the ADL or whatever gets more money?

[kuranes]

entertainment

This is what happens when you have a diversified, tight-knit group, everybody owning pieces of everything.

What kind of entertainment, Mark ?

[songbird36]

All sorts of people.

There are those that I "hang out" with, and there are those that I do business with. In some cases, the 2 overlap.

Don't forget - Nicki is Russian. Because of Nicki, I've gotten to know a lot of Russians. Anti-Semitism is rife among Russians ... Russian immigrants fall into 4 distinct categories:

1 - former ruling elites - A- Imperial, B- Soviet [especially KGB]

2 - organized criminals - including some from category 1, types A and B

3 - ordinary Russians, who, one way or another, have managed to get visas

4 - Jews (whom the others do not consider true Russians - BUT ...) - A- honest folk, B- organized criminals

There's a great deal of interaction, at least for survival and business reasons. They might despise each other internally, but, externally, they close ranks against the world and become "Russians abroad" - especially when dealing w/the authorities. No other group is as solid against the US authorities as the Russians. Arrest one, hold him for days, and get nothing from him/her - nothing, not a word. It's hopeless, and the US authorities know it. "Fuck you!" is the attitude.

Yes. Perhaps many people don't realise that Russia has a very long and sordid history of both segregating, ghetto-ising and persecuting Jews, long before the rise of Nazism.

In the 19th Jews were officially confined to living in an area of western Russia between the Baltic and the Black Sea, and faced the hostility of local populations. They were barred from non-Jewish schools.

Jews were also restricted to working in permitted occupations, and during the 19th century many Jewish boys were forcibly conscripted into the Russian army for 25 years' service, where they faced considerable brutality and a high chance of death. In such occupations (mostly trade and business related) they became proficient, and thus served to fuel jealousy and animosity amongst the Slavs at a time when stable employment was hard to come by.

The persecution of Jews began in force in the late 19th century, and there were many pograms - leading many to emigrate to other countries such as the US and Britain. The rise of the Zionist movement around this time is completely comprehensible in historical terms.

[omnirook]

Are you telling me White Nationalist or Nazi organisations are getting paid by jews to protest against jews so the ADL or whatever gets more money?

Shocking, isn't it? ...

"Politics is a very practical business. If a pirate has what you want, you do business with him" - Charles Laughton, as the anachronistically placed Gaius Gracchus, in the shit-show movie, "Spartacus," which also made the blatant "mistake" of putting Marcus Licinius Crassus into the Patrician Class, when he was a Plebian - an enobled*, wealthy one, yes, but not a Patrician (Caesar was a Patrician). Crassus was a miser who lived in an ordinary house, not a marble-lined villa, who ate plain food and wore plain clothes. His wife - they were a devoted couple - ran his house, cooked his meals, and spun his clothes. His marital propriety was a by-word in Rome.

*Nobility in Rome did not depend upon one's ancestral class (Patrician or Plebian) but on holding a high office of state. A Consul's descendants were noble, whether he had been Patrician or Plebian.

[omnirook]

What kind of entertainment, Mark ?

A party, an evening out, company for that evening, wheels and a driver and perhaps bodyguards - all available, for a fee. Reservations, tickets, and personal amenities (say you like to have a certain brand of scotch in your car's bar - or perhaps a particular newspaper or magazene, maybe you want a non-smoking car (which, really, is a car that's been cleaned to get rid of the traces of somebody's having smoked in it)). Want to rid around in a vintage car? OK, our driver will show up in a vintage car - for an extra fee to cover having rented the vintage car from the agency that specializes in renting vintage cars.

[Swift]

Shocking, isn't it? ... Sure. But you can say whatever you want. Why should I believe you?

[omnirook]

Sure. But you can say whatever you want. Why should I believe you?

Whether you believe me is - entirely up to you!

Look, I can't give names, dates, places - I don't know who you are, and I don't want you to know who I am ... I noted elsewhere on this forum that it was very easy - and almost natural - to relegate whatever I say to the "flake" cast-out bin. I re-iterate that - and also "Believe what you want." My goal is simply to make clear why I believe what I believe - and, as we all know, in this world, that hardly means that I need verifiable "facts" - or even sanity.

I believe what I believe - and this is why ...

I believe that the public is so duped and so blind and so taken-in and taken advantage of ...

Well - that the so-called leaders are all corrupt and in bed w/each other is one of the reasons. In the end, it's all about a handful of players getting what they want by cynically manipulating the public by taking advantage of their ignorance and fear and vulnerability. That's what I believe. It's a fucking game of "Three Card Monty," and I believe that because I've seen this, that, and the other. I can tell you something about this, that, and the other, but I can't make you believe what I believe. Simple as that. Take it or leave it.

[relaxo]

This is from Mark Steyn, a highly conservative pro-Israel writer. I found it funny:

...Someone asked me on the radio in Australia, two-thirds into a long, long discussion, about how Jewish I was, and I answered that the last Jewish female in my line was one of my paternal great-grandmothers, both my grandmothers were Catholic...

...I?d only been off the air for ten minutes before I was deluged with e-mails triumphantly announcing, ?Ah-ha, something to hide, have we, Steyn? Or should I say Stein? Or is it Goldstein? Why so defensive about being Jewish, eh? How come you don?t have the guts to declare your Jewishness every time you write about Israel? Or do your Jewish media masters encourage you to lie to your readers??...

...Even the Nuremberg Laws would have cut me more slack than my Internet chastisers: ?Article Five Section One: A Jew is an individual who is descended from at least three grandparents who were, racially, full Jews.? Under the 1935 German laws on race, I would have qualified as a bona fide citizen of the Reich. But the cyber-enforcers among my readers run a tighter ship than the Fuhrer...

...Nick Cohen, of The Observer in London, found himself in a similar situation..."I typed out a reply that read, ?but there hasn?t been a Jewish member of my family for 100 years?. I sounded like a German begging a Gestapo officer to see the mistake in the paperwork. Mercifully, I hit the ?delete? button before sending."...

[relaxo]

Today's modern leftys are all anti-jewish. They'll tell you they are not, but then go on about Zionist conspiracies, Israel appartide, etc
The telling point is the modern lefty won't go on about the attrocities committed by Palestinians or other islamic groups.
There was a protest here against Israel, a bunch of pro-hezbollah (curses be upon them) come out and then the leftys show up denouncing israel.
So lets see...Hezbollah hates homosexuality, and theres the leftys marching with them. They don't want freedom of religion, in fact will kill you for being the wrong religion, and there's the leftys with their Che t-shirts.
We know how islamists treat their women, and there go the feminists marching with Hezbollah.

Meanwhile in Israel, homosexual partners are recognized by government, you have freedom of relgion, freedom of speach, etc etc, and there go the anti-capitalists marching with the jew haters.

It will only be a few years before neo-nazis will show up to join in the protests too, and the leftys will justify it, well we need all the help we can get to fight racist Zionism. Actually, the neo-nazis are already marching amongst the leftys because they are the same thing now.

[nomir_dva]

I'm a modern lefty and I am most certainly not anti-Jewish.

[Serotonin]

Mark Steyn is a good read every once in a while. But his calls for the U.S. to declare war on Syria are a little nutty. I watch with a bemused raised eyebrow as he is raised to godlike status by conservative pundits. I agree with him on a lot of counts, but he's just as grubbily partisan to Republican politics as most other conservative pundits are. He's just another cog in the machine, not some "independent voice of reason in a miasma of lefty crap" or other various fellatiory epithets given to him.

[Stoic]

Certainly. But is that relevant?

I don't see why it's not, it addresses the "Jewish conspiracy theorists are nuts" crowd and the "nutty Jewish conspriacy theorists who seem to think it's always the Jews fault" crowd.

[omnirook]

I started this thread because I had grown tired of the Jewish Conspiracy Theories. The "idea" that Jews as a whole were secretly behind every bad thing that happened in the world, the nonsense about "ZOG" - the "Zionist Occupied Government" of the United States - the whole crap show!

Here's how I see it. There is a "conspiracy" - of sorts. The same "conspiracy" that's been afoot since the get of human society - just how does a minority of the people luxuriate in wealth and comfort at the expense of the great mass of people? ... This is NOT a Jewish thing! It's a human thing. But, when some of the ones who are at the top, pulling the strings, and sucking down an obscene share of the world's wealth are Jewish, then all Jews get blamed. Yes - some of the world's richest people are Jews. But a quick look at the stats reveals that Jews, in fact, comprise a tiny percentage of the world's power elite - and none of them comes in near the very top; indeed, all of the Jews on the list are near the bottom. The richest people in the world by far are White Anglo Saxon Protestants - yet we never hear of a WASP World Conspiracy.

The Jews in America ...
Now, George Washington wrote a letter in his own hand when he was President of the United States to the Jews who lived in Upstate New York, re-assuring them that America was not a religously restrictive country, that they were indeed welcome in America. And, so, little by little Jews came to the United States.

As w/any immigrant group - w/the exception of the aforementioned White Anglo Saxon Protestants - it took generations for the Jews in America to rise from poverty to prosperity. A look at the bone-crushing poverty endured by the Jews in America right up until the early 20th Century should be enough to convince just about anybody that the Jews in America worked for whatever they got.

So, how did the Jews prosper?

Well, let's take a look at Jewish culture, specifically at their traditional ways of family. Traditionally, a generation of Jewish adults does not work for itself, no. It works for its children. In other words, "I will work hard and save for your future - as my parents did for me - and as you will do for your children." Over time, this meant that the Jews built up wealth - at least enough to invest. Yes, the saved up piles of cash in Jewish hands got invested - and re-invested - and was borrowed by other Americans, was depended upon for borrowing by other Americans. Did this in time lead to a disproportionate-to-their-numbers degree of wealth for the Jews in America? Yes. So? They played by the rules that America set for everybody. They won! So? The American ideal was the nuclear family, working hard and striving for prosperity in the future - the Jews fit this model to a tee - but, now that they have succeeded doing so, they're "evil."

"Oh, but Jews own everything!"

Not true - not true. The Jews don't own everything. They are the victims of a twist of fate. In the early 20th Century, a few ambitious Jewish Americans saw "the writing on the wall" and poured money into the latest fad - film. They put the money in when the WASP elites were busy saying "It will never last." The WASP's were wrong. The Jewish investors were right. And - like every other group in America - they favored their own kind, at least in the back office. People weren't going to go see films starring Moishe Rosenbaum - so Moishe produced the picture, starring some WASP - hey, Valentino! Look it up - because he wasn't a WASP but became a star, there was a furor that reached a fever pitch, cultural "watch dogs," ranting about the purity of America being despoiled by loose "Latin Lovers." It wasn't until the late 20th Century that a Jew before the camera dared to use his own name ... Yes, the film industry was and is heavily populated w/Jews. Again, so? Every group has done its best to foster the welfare of its own kind. Why should Jews be different? In a nation that tolerated Jim Crow laws for 100 years, how can we be surprised to find any group that does its utmost to support itself and foster its own prosperity? ... Now the Asians in America are succeeding - now there's all sorts of resentment against them - even though, again, they are playing by the rules that America has set. It's a situation where you lose if you win - unless you're lily white and Protestant. Everybody else - Jews, Catholics, blacks - everybody has been the victim of hysteria: "Them!" It's disgusting.

[sbw]

Yes, if you live in some one else's community and you prefer middle class and upper class occupations (shopowner, merchant, banker, ...) to farming, hunting, fishing or cattle raising, you're feeding off others.

ummm, comparative advantage for 500, alex?

this is retarded.

Scott

[kuranes]

Every group has done its best to foster the welfare of its own kind. Why should Jews be different? In a nation that tolerated Jim Crow laws for 100 years, how can we be surprised to find any group that does its utmost to support itself and foster its own prosperity? ... Now the Asians in America are succeeding - now there's all sorts of resentment against them - even though, again, they are playing by the rules that America has set. It's a situation where you lose if you win - unless you're lily white and Protestant. Everybody else - Jews, Catholics, blacks - everybody has been the victim of hysteria: "Them!" It's disgusting.

I once worked with a guy who was very much anti-Semetic. I believe I used the word "clannish" in my question to him. ( Ironically, I was not referring to the KKK. ) I said "People are always objecting to Jewish people supposedly favoring one another in an industry. If this is so( fair or not fair) why don't the non-Jews just get together with their own kind and do the same thing, if it's so successful as a strategy ? "

He answered "That's exactly what the Jews are always complaining about - is OTHER people acting clannish."

Of course, as my parenthetical observation above alluded to, there's "clannishness" and there's outright persecution.

[charred_heart]

I once worked with a guy who was very much anti-Semetic. I believe I used the word "clannish" in my question to him. ( Ironically, I was not referring to the KKK. ) I said "People are always objecting to Jewish people supposedly favoring one another in an industry. If this is so( fair or not fair) why don't the non-Jews just get together with their own kind and do the same thing, if it's so successful as a strategy ? "

He answered "That's exactly what the Jews are always complaining about - is OTHER people acting clannish."was he seriously talking about the KKK and the civil rights movement? If so... :rofl:

that could be the source of a very good joke!

[kuranes]

was he seriously talking about the KKK and the civil rights movement? If so... :rofl:

that could be the source of a very good joke!

No. Neither of us was originally talking about the KKK and all of that, but the phrase "clannish behavior" was used, and so one thought led to another.

[RottenApple]

Well, let's take a look at Jewish culture, specifically at their traditional ways of family. Traditionally, a generation of Jewish adults does not work for itself, no. It works for its children. In other words, "I will work hard and save for your future - as my parents did for me - and as you will do for your children." Over time, this meant that the Jews built up wealth - at least enough to invest. Yes, the saved up piles of cash in Jewish hands got invested - and re-invested - and was borrowed by other Americans, was depended upon for borrowing by other Americans. Did this in time lead to a disproportionate-to-their-numbers degree of wealth for the Jews in America? Yes. So? They played by the rules that America set for everybody. They won! So? The American ideal was the nuclear family, working hard and striving for prosperity in the future - the Jews fit this model to a tee - but, now that they have succeeded doing so, they're "evil."


That's quite a beautiful picture you paint there, too bad it's bs. Protestants try and build wealth for their children too, this is not specific to Jews.

I'm part Jewish and you can't fool me because I've seen how it works first hand. What happens in Jewish communities is the same as in any minority ... they look after themselves first.

Not necessarily a bad thing but the community can eventually become a sponge. Money goes in but does not go out. Like you say,they are playing by the rules ....but when you've already reached economic prosperity it starts to look more like exploiting a loop-whole.

[omnirook]

That's quite a beautiful picture you paint there, too bad it's bs. Protestants try and build wealth for their children too, this is not specific to Jews.

I'm part Jewish and you can't fool me because I've seen how it works first hand. What happens in Jewish communities is the same as in any minority ... they look after themselves first.

Not necessarily a bad thing but the community can eventually become a sponge. Money goes in but does not go out. Like you say,they are playing by the rules ....but when you've already reached economic prosperity it starts to look more like exploiting a loop-whole.

OK. Fine. I'll overlook the nonsense about Protestants sacrificing to the bleeding point for their children. Why, then, aren't the richest people in America - all of them WASP's - also "exploiting a loop whole (sic)?" Why don't we hear more about the evil Hunts and wicked Waltons and all the other enormously rich WASP's, "exploiting loop holes" and acting like "sponges?" Why is it that just the rich Jews get singled out? You want to talk about 5 of the most evil mother-fuckers ever to live in these United States - just do a little background research on the Waltons - the people that own WALMART ... I don't know - my father worked for the Rosengarten family for 30 years - had a great job, great benefits, a great life - then the A & P bought out Shopwell. My father worked - dragged himself to work - for the last 5 years of his career, hating every minute of it: Jews did not and do not own A & P. You want to talk about mother-fuckers! ... My father got sick in 1979, was in the hospital for emergency surgery. The union - not the Rosengartens - was going to cut him loose and deprive him of all his seniority once he had hit the 90 day sick leave limit. Old man Rosengarten got wind of it and swooped down so hard and so fast that the union rep's head was spinning - "No, this man has worked for me for 16 years - he stays!" And the comany picked up paying him once his union benefits had run out ... Back to WASPMART - just look at how they treat their "employees." ... It's all bullshit - and if the NAZI's wouldn't have spared you because you had too much Jewish blood in your veins, you'd best get over hating your "own kind."

[Maniac]

Yes, if you live in some one else's community and you prefer middle class and upper class occupations (shopowner, merchant, banker, ...) to farming, hunting, fishing or cattle raising, you're feeding off others.

ummm, comparative advantage for 500, alex?

this is retarded.

Scott

LOL, apparently according to swift then, 90% of people in this country are parasites themselves.

P.S. - Swift, the feminist movement mostly focused on women getting equal jobs only in the upper echelon of work. You don't see any women protesting to be farmers and garbagepeople do you? By your logic, that makes them bloodsucking parasites.