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Star Cannon
27 Nov 2004, 02:48 AM
Why does my mom care so much about a little clutter?!!?!? It won't kill her to ignore it! That's what I do (unless it's serious) and she doesn't see me getting all bent out of shape over nothing. Little bits of paper never killed anyone and never will. God. We need a fairer distribution of rationality. Obviously, some people have skimped on their 'reason' development.

Star Cannon

Zero Angel
27 Nov 2004, 03:00 AM
My mom is a pack rat. She amasses tremendous collection of sentimental items and I have a fight on my hands when I urge her to get rid of all that junk. I wonder if yours feels the same way.

Division56
27 Nov 2004, 03:03 AM
My mom is a pack rat. She amasses tremendous collection of sentimental items and I have a fight on my hands when I urge her to get rid of all that junk. I wonder if yours feels the same way.


Oh god. Mine is the same way. I think her attic is going to collapse someday.

ISFJ :unsure:

Zero Angel
27 Nov 2004, 03:44 AM
Mines an ENFP (I'm positive!). She's a little ditzy (I think I get some of that from her), but is a dreamer, has great social skills, and one flip of her 'silly switch' and shes CAPTAIN WILDCHILD! (wheres the party!!!! wooo!!!!!) She's way sentimental though and when she visits, my dishes and laundry is done even though I never ask or expect her to do any housework.

My dad is probably an ENTJ, he's somewhat charismatic and is definitely a thinker who gets things done and sometimes rights wrongs in some of the beauraucratic systems he's encountered, but he can also get grouchy over small things and bring up past topics to hurt my mother. Its amusing when I try to psychoanalyse him or explain the facts to him when he's being irrational or hurtful towards others, but he doesnt get mad at me because he respects logic.

mgb
27 Nov 2004, 09:45 AM
Mines an ENFP (I'm positive!). She's a little ditzy (I think I get some of that from her), but is a dreamer, has great social skills, and one flip of her 'silly switch' and shes CAPTAIN WILDCHILD! (wheres the party!!!! wooo!!!!!) She's way sentimental though and when she visits, my dishes and laundry is done even though I never ask or expect her to do any housework.

My dad is probably an ENTJ, he's somewhat charismatic and is definitely a thinker who gets things done and sometimes rights wrongs in some of the beauraucratic systems he's encountered, but he can also get grouchy over small things and bring up past topics to hurt my mother. Its amusing when I try to psychoanalyse him or explain the facts to him when he's being irrational or hurtful towards others, but he doesnt get mad at me because he respects logic.

I am jealous of your ENFP/ENTJ parents. Imagine a mom charging her son interest for money to cover the house bills, which she uses. ISTJ is a curse.

I would trade ditztiness for caring any day.

"So to all you kids across the land...there is no need to worry...parents just don't understand." Love the Fresh Prince.

SheepDog
27 Nov 2004, 06:48 PM
I'm pretty sure my mother is an ISFP. Three servings of Drama with a healthy side of self-doubt. No logic in arguments, so we never, ever, ever work through any disagreements.

Not sure I know my father well enough to tell. My guess is IxTJ, probably more S than N. He's a major Introvert, which I think is why I never talk to him. He's off in his own world reading and watching TV, and doesn't seem to need human interaction at all.

EternalCynic
27 Nov 2004, 08:00 PM
My mother does the same thing.. only she has learned over the years to try and leave the mess alone, since I keep the doors closed always. She is an ENFJ

Spartan26
28 Nov 2004, 01:10 AM
My parents are total pack rats, too. Every time I visit them I feel like they owe me an apology for yelling at me to clean my room. My mom has all these antique knick-knacks that are not only in the way of things but fragile They've also amassed quite the collection of books. Not all classic literature, mind you. Some crap that they can pick up at public libraries when they have "bag of books" for $1 sale. I suppose it'd be OK if they organized them and turned bed rooms into reading rooms or file them by subject, but we're just talking heaps and piles. It's so sad.

Nindy
28 Nov 2004, 01:17 AM
My mom's an ENFP, my dad an INTJ, although he turns ENFJ for work.
Dad's always trying to prevent me from the same social isolation he went through in his youth, begging me to have contacts I don't want, due to shallowness. Perhaps he's extraverted after all then? He always keeps to himself though, he works all day and when he's home you'll find him behind his computer.
Mom's too caring and worried, tends to center the attention around herself because she's having such a hard time raising my brother and I, and raising her husband as well of course. She constantly complains about how we don't spend enough time together as a family. But hey, what can you expect from an INTJ husband, INTJ son and INTP daughter?:D

cjs55
28 Nov 2004, 04:16 AM
My mom is an obsessive compulsive packrat. The entire basement of my house is nothing but boxes. She looks through the trash 100% of the time before its thrown out. She has started even going to my younger brothers school to look through the trash there to find assignments of his that had been thrown away.

Its bordering on insanity and its only getting worse.

Oh, she's an ESF(p/j). Not sure on the last letter. My dad is probably an I(s/n)TJ ...lets just say they definitely have troubles. She likes to talk for hours about every small thing (repeating herself, well, repeatedly) my dad only really likes to talk about engineering and sports.

Division56
28 Nov 2004, 04:54 AM
cjs55... wow... just, wow. I am not sure how you have managed to stay sane this long, but I commend you.

cjs55
28 Nov 2004, 10:45 PM
Thanks for your commendation =). I created oceans worth of emotional and pyshic distance between me and my family. Thats basically how I did it. Combine our personalities with our extremely dissonant takes on religion (they are mormon, I am very very anti-the big three [Judaism, Christianity, Muslim]), they might as well not exist. They care for me and help me with college financially, so I can't be too rough on them. They are loving parents, just ones I can't have much of a relationship with.

But, regardless of any personality type my mom is pretty much crazy by anyone's standards, although maybe an ISFJ or something could appreciate the drama and needyness (and insanity).

Chaos Symphony
8 Dec 2004, 01:44 AM
Egh... That /is/ bad. My parents are almost exactly the same types as above... ESFJ mother and ISTJ father, without any doubt. No siblings here, though. All of their attention ends up on me. My mother, especially, has been the bane of my existence because of her behavior. Highly controlling, hopelessly dependent, paranoid, and severely depressive for as long as I can remember. She /has/ been insane... Several (half-hearted) suicide attempts. Frequent anger. At least one violent fit in recent memory. She was sent to a psychiatric institution for a month some time ago, and since then has been drugged into docility. It's made things rather more tolerable, but she's still a typical SJ and really believes she knows how life ought to be lived. She tends to launch into random, repetitive lectures on obvious subjects, insistently interrupting whatever I happen to be doing at the time. And when I tell her I'm already well aware of these things, she replies that she needs to remind me, "just in case". It's aggravating beyond belief... :banghead: In truth, I really used to hate her, but it's turned to mere pity as I grow older.

My father, on the other hand, is far easier to deal with. He's an eminently practical man. Given that I'm /impractical/ to a fault, that's been a source of occasional contention. But he's also an introvert, thinker, and not unkind, so any conflicts have been significantly muted. I often don't need to get into outright argument with him. I just let him have his say, and I respect him enough to take it into consideration. Then I do what I have to. As for conversation, the main things he talks about are engineering, technology, and cars, and I can handle that easily enough. He mostly tends to occupy himself with work and projects. I have very little in the way of emotional connection with him, but he's worthy of respect for his patience and the work he does, and I suppose that can be enough.

lauriep
8 Dec 2004, 02:17 AM
I don't get along with my parents very well so I haven't gotten either of them to do a personality test. From the descriptions, I think that my mom is likely an ESTJ and my dad is possibly an INTP??? Never understood what they saw in each other. While growing up, I usually found my mother to be a backstabbing bitch while I liked my dad a lot more. He and I fought a lot but people said it was because we were so much alike (usually sudden loud outbursts followed by weeks of silence). My dad's opinion seemed to really matter to me and I worked hard in school to earn his respect. That's probably why when he turned out so screwy that I hated him so much more for it. I did talk my little sister into taking the test. She's the exact opposite of me, an ESFJ. She is the party queen that I never was but she and I have always been very close and have a great relationship.

int
8 Dec 2004, 03:25 AM
I can only guess - My father is probably ENTJ (but is more introverted at work) and my Mom is probably an ISFJ (with a weak I).

My parent's friends used to call dad "The Commish" as he's controlling and always the man in charge. But I like his reasoning. And the older we get the closer we get.

I think Mom's an ISFJ cause she definately feels under appreciated when people don't notice how much work she puts in around the house. I got along with her more as a kid, probably because of our introverted ways. As long as I stay away from politics and keep my cynicism to a minimum around her we're fine.

Heh - My mom used to hate seeing our rooms messy, but when I was 15 or so I asked her if the band I was in could practice in my bedroom and they thought it was a good idea. My parents were always pretty cool about that.

Anyways, since there was always cables and amps and instruments and recording equipment and all the sorts of things she knows nothing about, my room became my messy little haven. As long as my clothes made it into the laundry basket and stayed off the floor, she was fine. :)

She's probably getting us coupons for a cleaning service for X-mas though. :mellow:

Zero Angel
9 Dec 2004, 11:26 PM
It seems that my Dad has more F qualities then I thought at first. I always thought of him a a 'Fieldmarshal' (ENTJ) type personality, capable of mobilizing and organizing people and heirarchies using long-range strategy. I tried to pass him off as a rational (due to his sometimes exacting logic), Yet he sees himself as a counsellor type of person and is interested in spirituality, poetry, art and who works well with troubled youth, as well as having many other beliefs that undercut his surface rationality.

It seems a lot of us have NT/NF parents. I heard a theory that people were born with their personality types, but I believe that it is shaped into us when we are small children and having an N parent we are likely to take on those qualities more often.

Boneca
9 Dec 2004, 11:42 PM
It seems that my Dad has more F qualities then I thought at first. I always thought of him a a 'Fieldmarshal' (ENTJ) type personality, capable of mobilizing and organizing people and heirarchies using long-range strategy. I tried to pass him off as a rational (due to his sometimes exacting logic), Yet he sees himself as a counsellor type of person and is interested in spirituality, poetry, art and who works well with troubled youth, as well as having many other beliefs that undercut his surface rationality.

It seems a lot of us have NT/NF parents. I heard a theory that people were born with their personality types, but I believe that it is shaped into us when we are small children and having an N parent we are likely to take on those qualities more often.But if it's indeed genetic, we would be quite likely to have N parents anyway, right?
I don't know. I'd say 90% of my extended family are NT. Luckily for me, my parents are both INT types, so we get along fairly well.

Zero Angel
10 Dec 2004, 03:20 AM
Genetics is a tough question. People say that we are 'born' with a personality, but they have provided no rational explanations for this. I'm not sure what to believe, so I present 3 possible hypotheses to how personalities develop:

Genetic: The 'blueprint' for the brain depends on the qualities of the DNA
Sensual: The brain wires itself on its own depending on what kind of outside stimulation it recieves when it is forming.
Experiential: The brains thinking patterns are changed as the child begins to experience things. Gradually as these thinking patterns get harder and harder to mold and we retain that method of thinking that way throughout our life (cant teach an old dog new tricks).

All hypotheses make sense, but I have yet to see any scientist present a coherent theory to this. An NT/NF born from an SP/SJ is definitely not strange, it may be simply an anomaly and the child has usually developed his/her will before the SP/SJs can break it. I wonder if NF/NTs are more likely to raise NT/NF children, that might validate the Genetic and Experiential hypotheses.

On a personal note, I'd like to think that my neice is an idealist because she was shaped to be that way from her idealist mother and rational/half-idealist uncle (me), therefore I would put my money on the 'experiential' hypothesis.

Aryan
10 Dec 2004, 03:28 PM
Mom: INFJ: She helps me out in almost everything, my life counsellor, advice, helper, comforter, gives affection, what more can i want :), i love her most dearly

Dad: ISTJ: Love my Dad too, but a little bit more strict and sensing, so formal look still has to be maintained. :)