People not doing what they're supposed to

[prometheusdestroyed]

I don't know what slant this puts on my personality, but it's like a dirty secret.

I hate people not doing things the way they are supposed to. Taking short-cuts that are just sloppy as a way to get a job done quicker, rather than better. I hate the whole slack 'it's only a job - it's just there to pay the bills' mentality.

Makes me a bit of a fascist really as I want to jackboot people into compliance. And I'm not in charge of anyone - it's just co-workers. So I have to keep my dirty little secret behind a relaxed front.

Is this an INTP thing or should I be re-examining my type? Or am I just a randomly deranged fascist?

[Boneca]

If it is a job that I care the least about, I'm exactly the same. I can't stand incompetence and laziness...it just makes me want to throw things at people.
I thought it was just my INTJ tendencies, but perhaps it is the perfectionist in us that makes us expect the same from others.
Are other INTP's the same?

[HackerX]

If people aren't doing what they are suppose to be doing, then you haven't manipulated them enough

[INTrPosr]

This kind of stuff would drive me batty in high school and college. However, after 10 years on the same job and being paralyzed in deciding my next career move, I probably look like that to an outsider. I can now appreciate that what I consider sloughing off in others, as possibly a form of passive aggressive behavior.

[Werdna]

I don't know what slant this puts on my personality, but it's like a dirty secret.

I hate people not doing things the way they are supposed to. Taking short-cuts that are just sloppy as a way to get a job done quicker, rather than better. I hate the whole slack 'it's only a job - it's just there to pay the bills' mentality.

Makes me a bit of a fascist really as I want to jackboot people into compliance. And I'm not in charge of anyone - it's just co-workers. So I have to keep my dirty little secret behind a relaxed front.

Is this an INTP thing or should I be re-examining my type? Or am I just a randomly deranged fascist?
Working on school projects I can feel like this IF it's something I'm interested in. People who just tries to get it done as quickly as possible when you want to do it as well as you can... infuriating. But I also know that I can be like that when I'm not interested in a project, so I try not to be too hard on them.
It probably requires being a bit J.

[BritainOphira]

Sometimes I feel like that, but in school I normally just try to do as little as possible or I try to see what all I can get away with. It seems like the more I try, the less recognition I get, so I usually figure that no matter what, I'll still get an A since that is what is expected of me, so I just through everything together at the last minute using the worst handwriting I can muster.

[waxwing]

I don't know what slant this puts on my personality, but it's like a dirty secret.

I hate people not doing things the way they are supposed to. Taking short-cuts that are just sloppy as a way to get a job done quicker, rather than better. I hate the whole slack 'it's only a job - it's just there to pay the bills' mentality.

Makes me a bit of a fascist really as I want to jackboot people into compliance. And I'm not in charge of anyone - it's just co-workers. So I have to keep my dirty little secret behind a relaxed front.

Is this an INTP thing or should I be re-examining my type? Or am I just a randomly deranged fascist?

Wow, yeah.

I was asked to be assistant manager at my job, but really did not want the responsbilility to be "on," the pressure to talk when I'd rather listen. Say goodbye to imaginary friends. But part of me really wanted the job so that I could speak up when a co-worker just completely misunderstood the job, or when things were done illogically or in my opinion, ineffectively. The only time I say something now is when a co-worker asks for help or when I am training a new person or when it is an issue of abuse, neglect, gossip, or something really important to me like, "Yes we're here to help them. But if I do something for _____ and he is able to do it himself, how is that helping him develop as an individual?" I always kind of leave it open-ended, even though I feel very strongly about helping them to be as independent as they possibly can be.

All this to say, I can deal much better with laziness than with someone just "not getting the point of why..."

[Bluehaze]

In terms of work, I care; but at the same time, I know it benefits me better if they work less--I will clarify.

In most work environments, the people in charge (managers, project coordinators, and even CEOs) recognize the amount of work that most people do. Working at one of my jobs for only about two years, I was promoted to assistant manager. Because, not only do I have a work philosophy that 'makes' me work, but also because others lack of interest and activity in the job make my efforts appear even larger than they are. The obvious drawback is that I am working harder by pulling more weight, but at the same time, others--besides the managers--recognize my efficiency at what I do and are motivated to work harder as I constantly increase the standards. Of course, there are always some who react in the exact opposite; but when that rarely happens, they will usually quit within a short period regardless.

A summarization of my work philosophy is simple. I am being paid for what I do and the least I can do is give my 'hiries' their moneys worth, at minimum. Do unto others as you expect in return--in a sense.

[cjs55]

You would hate me.

If I ever actually had a job I enjoyed in the slightest things might be different, but so far my only goal in the workplace is to do the smallest amount of work possible while not getting in trouble. I really have disliked all of my shitty jobs so far though. If I were doing something I didn't hate, I would be better. But I don't think my co-workers would ever concern me even if I loved my job, I just shut everything out and focus.

[SheepDog]

I work for a very, very bureaucratic organization, and end result of trying very hard vs. barely trying at all is hard to distinguish. The bureaucracy keeps you from being truly successful. Unfortunately, this means lowering my expectations to avoid the frustration that would otherwise cause me to go out of my mind. I find ways to add quality (as a programmer) that I know nobody will ever understand or appreciate, but that's just for my sanity.

I work with other people that have accepted this as well. When I started, it used to bug me that so many people there didn't really try very hard. But then I realized that they knew something that I had yet to learn. Yes, it's very sad.

In a previous job, I did try to raise others levels of performance by pushing them to take more initiative and not accept poor perfomance for themselves. It bred a lot of resentment and didn't do any good. I also tried being a team leader for a while, but realized that it required more hand holding than I cold learn to live with.

One of the criteria of my dream job is to work with smart, innovative, and hard working people. We will push each other to higher levels of performance and the net effect of our efforts will be something much greater than any of us could achieve as individuals. Alas, but a dream...

[hemanthraz]

. I find ways to add quality (as a programmer) that I know nobody will ever understand or appreciate, but that's just for my sanity.


Hey thats me at my office.AS an example people used to give all sorts of names to the variables, i peestered them into using a standard notation with type and stuff.Of course since it works, its now my bosses idea.


I also tried being a team leader for a while, but realized that it required more hand holding than I cold learn to live with.


Seriously not worth the trouble.You cant build a palace out of matchsticks



One of the criteria of my dream job is to work with smart, innovative, and hard working people. We will push each other to higher levels of performance and the net effect of our efforts will be something much greater than any of us could achieve as individuals. Alas, but a dream...

I dream with you, I seem to be surrounded by dolts.Oh lord give me the company of people smarter than me, tough as it may be to find them!!

[Boneca]

One of the criteria of my dream job is to work with smart, innovative, and hard working people. We will push each other to higher levels of performance and the net effect of our efforts will be something much greater than any of us could achieve as individuals. Alas, but a dream...I think that being surrounded by lazy people is the social version of the law of inertia - it requires a force to change anything.

But imagine a company where all employees were intelligent, hardworking and got along perfectly - they would end up achieving so much that they would be banned by the government for dominating the market too much. :p

[heeroyuy]

But imagine a company where all employees were intelligent, hardworking and got along perfectly - they would end up achieving so much that they would be banned by the government for dominating the market too much. :p

No, they would be taken over by corporate investors who think as demonstrated:

1: If they like work, that must mean they don't mind working more
2: If they make us this much money now, then since they like work, that must mean we can give them more.
3: Therefore, based one and two, we should double everybodys workloads, then fire them when they become 'lazy' and stop working.

no good deed goes unpunished :( (I realize you mean in the perfect world, but I'm angry and cynical right now and blowing off steam, sorry if it comes off as flaming against you)

I am young, but I have so far only worked for one group/person who has not had this mentality when given power, and that's because he's an old style bussiness man where the handshake is more important than the contract. That's rare.

In my opinion, the job of my boss is to deal with the beauracracy and make sure that myself and my techs get what they need to do their work well and completley. He does that. He does it very well. Most bosses don't.

[Boneca]

No, they would be taken over by corporate investors who think as demonstrated:

1: If they like work, that must mean they don't mind working more
2: If they make us this much money now, then since they like work, that must mean we can give them more.
3: Therefore, based one and two, we should double everybodys workloads, then fire them when they become 'lazy' and stop working.

no good deed goes unpunished :( (I realize you mean in the perfect world, but I'm angry and cynical right now and blowing off steam, sorry if it comes off as flaming against you)

I am young, but I have so far only worked for one group/person who has not had this mentality when given power, and that's because he's an old style bussiness man where the handshake is more important than the contract. That's rare.

In my opinion, the job of my boss is to deal with the beauracracy and make sure that myself and my techs get what they need to do their work well and completley. He does that. He does it very well. Most bosses don't.The trick to avoid that is to find your own niche at work, to make yourself impossible to replace. That way, if your boss starts to ladle too much work on you, you can just mention something about some great (possibly non-existant) job opportunity at another company, and they'll treat you nicely again. It takes some serious J work to get there, but then you can relax. Honestly, my previous boss nearly got a hysteric fit when I resigned...they still haven't found a good replacement. :D

[SheepDog]

In my opinion, the job of my boss is to deal with the beauracracy and make sure that myself and my techs get what they need to do their work well and completley. He does that. He does it very well. Most bosses don't.
It takes a while to train a boss to do this. Some of them will never "get it", no matter how many ways you try to let them know ;)

[prometheusdestroyed]

Well, this is all good news and given me pause for reflection.

Most of the time I sit in my job putting in zero effort. The stress only comes when I have an idea that would require either people to change, or people to do their work methodically. I say dirty secret because most of the time I'm just mr don't-give-a-s**t so I feel foolish showing that I'm pretty anal about some stuff and think improvement might be a good thing.

I guess I'd probably be best just outlining my ideas to the boss and watching him ignore them so that I know that I at least did my bit, or getting a new job.

[booyalab]

Reading this thread has reminded me of The Peter Principle. I think I'm going to start a new thread with that as the subject in the Psychology forum.

[int]

I can look like I care when it counts, but most of the time I find shortcuts useful and do things half-assed. I know I'm only working to pay the bills - I don't hide that fact. Since I'm not saving the world or anything I'll treat most work like what it is: work. Besides, sometimes the small jobs that seem important just don't matter in the Grand Scheme.

That being said, I used to care when co-workers would provide half-assed work or provide false/incorrect information to other co-workers and customers. Due to the myriad of other issues everyone has, self included, now I just don't care. A good manager will figure that one out and will have an appropriate response, since that is, after all, a manager's job.

If you're a brain surgeon, maybe you should inform your boss of the slack. Otherwise, does it really matter?

I should add I've always been hired on the spot after an interview and I always follow through with the goals set at the interview. I like to think it's because I know what really matters - even though I don't half the time. Probably because I'm slacking.

[Zero Angel]

Theres a lot of unnecessary things people do to satisfy the bearuacracy, or to simply perform (yet not exceed) to their job descriptions, leading to some very half-assed work. Yet they seem to reject the 10% more effort they would have to put in to do a 40% better job. That kinda ticks me off how people can be so uncaring. They are like zombies, who do nothing but what they are told.

I am proud to be an INTP in this sense, because when we do a job, we exceed in ways that 'normies' wouldnt imagine. That is, *IF* we choose to do that job in the first place.