Do you think you have vision?

[Avengardh]

Well, do you?

This was inspired by a conversation I had through YIM with one of you, you shall remain nameless unless you want to say who you are.

If you do think you have vision (i.e. from Dictionary.com:
Unusual competence in discernment or perception; intelligent foresight: a leader of vision. Personally I think that vision simply means that you can see many things that others can't.)
why? And do you plan and believe that you will be able to do something with that vision?

Type away.

~*Aven*~

[cjs55]

Yes, in the fields of language/writing and music, and maybe human manipulation. I plan on instigating a revolution.

Sadly I'm not joking.

Why do I feel this way? Its more of a fact than a feeling. Only when you destroy all previous interpretation can you find if you actually have 'vision' (vision can only exist through destruction, because through destruction is the only way you can create new intepretations). I may not be a genius or the best at anything, but I know I am capable of something that would qualify.

[Sackanaka]

I feel similar to cjs55, but how do you respond to the naysayers without looking totally foolish in their eyes? Or do we just :banghead: until it doesn't matter?
Lately I've been trying to find credible ways to channel this passion and ensure that it's for a practical reason most people would be supportive of, but dunno if it's possible.

[cjs55]

People won't ever be supportive of change. You have to be able to manipulate them, otherwise vision goes nowhere.

[Durroch]

True... People are horrified with change. I have been doing a few experiments with manipulation of my fellow students, and have found this to be so. I have presented myself as a very... Different... Person. They find this to be so threatening, it is almost incredible were it not so very alarming. I mean... If no-one out there will actively and readily accept change, but must be completely manipulated in order for anything to be instituted, then we are really quite done for. I suppose it is why a TV is so useful to industies though... A TV will tell you everything you would ever possibly want in the safety of your own home.

[waxwing]

I worked with a woman who lived in Russia until she was about 50. Rich life history. She is now in her sixties. When she retired a few months ago, she wrote me a letter. There is something in it that seems to apply here. Here it is in her beautiful English:

"Also, I can see all world due to you."

It took me a few minutes to grasp what I think she was saying. I cannot say that I ever really laid out a complex idea in her presence or even led her to believe that I had plans beyond doing my job and helping the residents we worked with to become more independent. But I was constantly wanting to learn from her, asking her questions about Russia, listening to her stories. I guess she may have seen something through that exploration. Maybe she caught some of my vision, most of which I probably never verbalized. Wait a minute, I probably couldn't have delineated even if I wanted to.

As much as I isolate myself from society, there is this part of me that needs to interact in order to learn. There is only so much I can understand by climbing my tree and observing, perceiving, and imagining the possibilites. In the end, I feel more complete if I "get my hands dirty."

So, maybe I have vision, but I generally feel far too restless to actually flesh it out. I do not necessarily plan or expect to do something with the vision, but I do believe that I want to live in such a way that what I see, or rather, how I see (which is ever-evolving), helps others see themselves and the world. Maybe that is the thrust of my own vision most of the time, anyway. It has more to do with a way of seeing, relating, and interacting with the universe than an actual, "Okay, here's my idea. Ready, set go." Constant re-vision, that's what I believe.

[Birdsnest]

I have artistic vision, I can see incredible visuals of art when I am relaxed, and can describe them, but not really create them, they are other worldly and beautiful, and I don't know if any master of art could create those things. I sometimes have psychic dreams/visions and things I know will happen, but its a passive thing, I don't intend to do anything about it, perhaps other than make a note of it. I have zero ability to manipulate people. Its not my interest to deal with people at all, except to share ideas, thats it, I am way too much of a free spirit to want to change anyone. I neither want to lead nor follow anything or anyone, just to maintain self on my own terms.

[jimkopelli]

I'm observant. I see little details that others don't. I'm not so much visionary as that guy with funny views.

[SheepDog]

My reflex is to say that the kind of vision that I consider myself to have could also be called Intuition. Intuition is a very broad concept, which I've seen used to mean something like the ability to see the future. That's a little mystical for my taste, but I still think that Intuition provides a basis for seeing things that not everyone else sees.

[spirilis]

Hell no. I have mild forethought, but no grandiose "visions."

I do see things others don't, I guess... I notice this once in a while. I don't consider it anything significant though.

[Boneca]

No, not in that way at least.
I can't see the future, I only see connections between stuff (=iNtuition).

[indie]

Yes. I want to design a city of the future . . . happppy

Seems like it would be easier to build a city of the future from scratch rather than changing the existing ones, IMO. For example, implementing the technologically-advanced systems beforehand: putting all the utilities underground. Making the streets out of recycled tires (http://www.fhwa.dot.gov/environment/eea2003/awards/recycle.htm). Making the buildings as earthquake-proof as possible (rather than revamping them to be more resisitant). Creating an efficient water-filtering system. Making it easier to recycle. . .

[SheepDog]

I can't see the future, I only see connections between stuff (=iNtuition).
I like to think of iNtuition as something that extends both forward and backward in time.

[Avengardh]

Very interesting answers.

Keep 'em coming ^.^

[Boneca]

I like to think of iNtuition as something that extends both forward and backward in time.Maybe I misunderstood the question. I thought it meant being able to tell what is actually going to happen, like some kind of oracle.
Looking at indiejade's response, I think I understand. Of course I can imagine a future, but unfortunately it's not like it is going to happen. I also like to dream up alternative pasts, or when we're at it, alternative worlds. Is that "vision"?

[SheepDog]

I wasn't trying so much to critique your response, Boneca, but just tossing out a thought of mine. If by Visionary, we mean that we see as we literally see now, that's one thing. But I do claim a certain general predictive ability that more literal viewers miss. Themes, patterns, etc., tend to "show" things that have yet to happen.

I do admit that I offered what may be a tangent, but, well... I'm an INTP... :D

[SheepDog]

On second thought, I don't think its so much a tangent, but one way to interpret the question.

[Crazy]

The Doctor tells me I have 20/20 vision

I shy away from lofty titles like "visionary" and "genius". If others believe I am, that is fine with me, I just like to believe I am an inteligent man with some good ideas.

[Zero Angel]

I am perceptive at picking up a person's 'aura', as well as understanding multiple viewpoints and integrating them into my own understandings. Too bad i've been such a short-range thinker that I havent been able to properly organize these thought fragments into something totally coherent. Sometimes its better to bounce these thoughts off a narrow but long-range thinker to get a better understanding of the larger picture.

[int]

I was at a job interview yesterday and thought I saw my future boss' "aura." When I woke up this morning my fan ceiling had the same aura. They were both white.


Anyways, I have soome good ideas for running an independent record label, but feel I need soime more experience to get where I want. The more I learn though, the more I'm able to reinforce myself with confidence. We'll see if it works out.

Until then, I'll keep sitting through meeting with guys that have the same aura as my bedroom's ceiling fan.

[antireconciler]

Do you think you have vision?
...
vision (i.e. from Dictionary.com:
Unusual competence in discernment or perception; intelligent foresight: a leader of vision. Personally I think that vision simply means that you can see many things that others can't.)

With that definition, it sounds like: Do you think you are wise?

Such a judgement would arrise from what is not really me. So, I am neither wise nor unwise. I neither have vision nor do not have vision.