Shall we discuss this?

[Groty]

INTP's and their quoted mate types are rare. I am confident, and hopefully logical but...ta hell with that, in the fact that personality type has no bearing on LOVE.

So, would anyone else care to discuss their previous or current experiences and/or experiments(because we are guilty of messing w/ peoples feelings) with potential mates and/or lovers?

I'll express mine if this thread sticks. I must admit, I am working very hard to develop my F, honestly or not-so-honestly, I have found interesting ramifications.

**Shit, why do I refer to such things as scientific experiments... PHUCK!**

[Edmond Zedo]

Type has no bearing on love? Who told you that? I tend to fall in love with ESFPs and ENFPs when I do. It's rare though. And I'm incredibly inept at capturing those I do like, at least partially because I like so few (Rarely go after anyone), and partially because those I like aren't a-lackin' in other suitors. I could surely "attain lesser goals" in this arena, and have occasionally, but it didn't suit me. I won't settle.

[jimkopelli]

I'm working on an INFP when I can... but she's attached. Bah. Trying to stay second in line and still have fun...

[tragula]

Hmm. I take the whole typing thing with a grain of salt always. I think that how generous and giving someome is can be the most important factor. That said I think that INTP and ISFP for some reason would be next to impossible for a lasting relationship. These two types have like a temporal shift problem with ISFP constantly and exclusively living in the present, and searching for excitement. I have known some very selfish and self absorbed ISFP who played totally by their own rules and could not grasp the concept of objective truth. ("2+2 =4? Yeah, for you maybe..." ;=)

Lastly I married an ESFJ, true to type I guess! Total opposite and it works. We have the most solid marriage of anyone I know. Maybe too solid...

[Edmond Zedo]

INFP? If you've had one as a close friend or mate, you know better than I do. If you haven't, well, I have, and I won't even have any as friends now. Check out the intertype relations at socionics.com, as I've found it dead-ass-accurate.

[Jezebel]

INFP? If you've had one as a close friend or mate, you know better than I do. If you haven't, well, I have, and I won't even have any as friends now. Check out the intertype relations at socionics.com, as I've found it dead-ass-accurate.

I find socionics ridiculous and I can't really relate to most of the INTP or INTJ profiles. Plus, their superficial profiles describing what personalities look like to their taste in food to how often they wash their hands is laughable and it makes it difficult for me to take them seriously. According to them, most of my longest lasting and most harmonious friendships/relationships are the least compatible.

I have more to say on the original post but don't have time to type it now... bed.............

[Birdsnest]

I will second that. My last relationship was with a computer programmer who was an ISFP. (would not do that again- it worked for a year and a half, but he was too flirtatious and friendly with everyone, sort of a sentimental floop, gushy emotionally, but too reserved with money & time. No, isfp or j are just not my type).

I need a type that is generous with a practical sort of love, has sex with no issues, other than physical, is generous but frugal (practical about spending-neither too tight nor too free) and who is generous with time, spirit, resources and thinks the universe is our supply. What type would that be? That would be my ideal, whatever type it is.

I know that F and J are usually too much for me in the long run. I don't think a T could satisfy the F needs in others very well, so I won't even bother. And the J is often too "high and mighty" for any real one on one, they think they are one and all, so thats out for me.

I or E ok
N or slightly S ok
T ok
P ok

I'd go with INTP, ISTP, ENTP or ESTP I think. I don't have much knowledge of the last two really.

[cjs55]

I think that theoretically, a healthy ENFP could work, because of the "generous with time, spirit, resources" line. You will never find anyone more generous with their time and spirit than the average ENFP (versus the average other types). The only problem is they might have issues with the first few

To tell you the truth, when I first read the description I said to myself, hey, thats me! However, thinking about it more its probably not exactly me. I know that I as an INTP, while almost always willing to help if you need something, often get really caught up in other things and just forget about other people entirely for periods. We could be in the middle of a conversation and if something crazy takes over my thought I will just get lost in it.

So maybe I'm not really generous at all. I've heard the distinction made in a relationship between givers and takers, and I'd guess that INTP's and ENTP's are takers. Or it could just be me. I don't know about ISTP and ESTP, other than S's scare me.

[booyalab]

I have had a crush on an ENFP for a long time, I think he's one of the greatest people I've ever met. But nothing will probably ever happen, for various reasons. So I'm learning to just be content to talk with him as a friend. I used to come up with the type of person with whom I want to have a relationship, in my head. Then I met that ideal person last year (ESTJ with developed N) and he was everything I could hope for: unbelievably intelligent, original, confident, AND affectionate (but not too much so), with the same religious and political views as me ,and good-looking. But a whole bunch of things went horribly wrong and we ended up going our separate ways, although I still miss him. But it just made me realize not to put too much stock in a romantic ideal because even the most compatible people may go through hell together and it depends more on each one's willingness to make the relationship succeed than whether you can have an intellectual conversation, or whatever. So right now I'm just enjoying my life, and if someone I'd like to spend it with shows up, great...but if not, at least I'm not kidding myself waiting for a dream that has a low probability of occurring.

[mgb]

I've done really well with an ENFP and an INFJ. I like the NFs on the whole because they have a much different way of thinking and at the same time they can relate to INTPs because the are just as abstract with their thinking.

The one advantage I can see with another I is having a plethora of your own space.

[Edmond Zedo]

I find socionics ridiculous and I can't really relate to most of the INTP or INTJ profiles.

Perhaps someone identical to me was the template for the socionics INTP, because the profile and several different intertype relations are amazingly accurate. More so than Keirsey's relationship analyses, and I don't think he's stupid either.

FWIW, this isn't the first time I've read a post of yours and thought "I'm nothing like this person. I don't think she sounds INTP." But if you're sure, you're sure.

[heeroyuy]

INFPs are nice, and if they can reach a medium with you they make _awesome_ companions, but usually they can't. I've found most INFP's I get into relationships with end up telling me I think too much and I should just shutup and stop being so logical and rational. That makes me angry, as they basicly slap everything I believe, I get resentful, and tell them they don't think enough, then they get angry, and eventually somehow 8 other people and a moose hate me.

Overall, I still like INFPs, although I could also see myself being interested in INTPs, INTJs, and some various other types, introverts mainly. I don't mind talking around people I care about and am close to, but I hate being _expected_ to talk. My best friend is INFP, and she and I can ride for 30 minutes enjoying each other's company saying _nothing_ then get into a 2 hour long conversation about our beliefs (she has INTPish attitudes).

In any event, my $0.02.

[Edmond Zedo]

Read this. INTP & INFP = 'comparative relations'

www.socionics.com/rel/cmp.htm

I always like INFPs at first, but our personalities become mutually aggravating over time. I'm not just 'kinda' INTP. You may have better luck if you are. What I'm most disgusted with is that INFPs don't tell you what they think if it's negative. This means you never know where you stand until you hear something from someone else or steal their pink vinyl diary. ENFPs, on the contrary (Who I like), will occasionally tell you to go to hell. I respect that.

[Jezebel]

FWIW, this isn't the first time I've read a post of yours and thought "I'm nothing like this person. I don't think she sounds INTP." But if you're sure, you're sure.

So what type DO I sound like to you? (I have no pride attached to the intp label so I don't mind the comment, just curious about what you see about me that seems "unintp")

[Edmond Zedo]

I get an SJ vibe. If you're sure you're INTP, you probably are, but I'm not picking that frequency up. You can borrow some of my pride if you like, as I have enough for the whole short bus.

[heeroyuy]

Read this. INTP & INFP = 'comparative relations'

www.socionics.com/rel/cmp.htm

I always like INFPs at first, but our personalities become mutually aggravating over time. I'm not just 'kinda' INTP. You may have better luck if you are. What I'm most disgusted with is that INFPs don't tell you what they think if it's negative. This means you never know where you stand until you hear something from someone else or steal their pink vinyl diary. ENFPs, on the contrary (Who I like), will occasionally tell you to go to hell. I respect that.

Yes, but people can change over time and adapt themselves to one another. I'm pretty strong INTP, and the key is that the INFP who is my best friend has known me for 4 years, and we've only really been at odds with each other once or twice. The thing is that if INTP and INFP are to have close relationships they have to get over some problems, but once they're over these the "comparitive relationship" just kind of works. At least, this is my experience.

Like I said, she also tests as an INTP sometimes, and has qualities of INFP and INTP. So that might have something to do with it too :)

[waxwing]

Im currently in a long-distance relationship with an INTP. It's solid, but neither of us are phone people. We are both cynical when it comes to genuine lasting connection. Sort of funny cause we keep wanting to connect with each other. Who knows...

I believe I fell in love with an ENTP once. He had this ability to make me feel comfortable that at the time was completely amazing. I think he may have introduced me to "the hug."

I've had several INFP friends/crushes as I usually attract and am attracted to the artist type. I only get annoyed when they aren't direct.

Which brings me to the best fit so far....a guy who is INTP by preference but appears to be ENFP/ENTP at times. I think that our relationship was a bit too intense, though. I've never been so fascinated, attracted, and inspired to grow in a relationship. He spoke both to my cynicism and my childlikeness. Good stuff.

I tend to be attracted to strong perceivers. I haven't been attracted to a J that I remember, although a J might have the ability to "whip me into shape." No offense, Js. I actually can admire a person who prefers J. I just usually am a little hesitant to show them the mess inside my car or my cd case.

[ohnoaninfp]

**Shit, why do I refer to such things as scientific experiments... PHUCK!**



You spelled Fuck wrong. ;)

[mgb]

I get an SJ vibe. If you're sure you're INTP, you probably are, but I'm not picking that frequency up. You can borrow some of my pride if you like, as I have enough for the whole short bus.

This begs the question (I wasn't going to ask it but this kept going), if someone disagrees with you are they automatically an SJ? Because as the perfect and presumably only actual INTP on the site you are the ideal person to decipher what each personality is? Give me a break.

[Edmond Zedo]

This begs the question (I wasn't going to ask it but this kept going), if someone disagrees with you are they automatically an SJ?.
No. SJs disagree with me automatically though. ENTPs disagree a lot, and are right one half the time. INTJs throw things at me. Is that disagreement? INFPs never disagree with me, or anyone, so I throw things at them. ENFPs disagree once, then are gone forever. I don't know the other types well enough to say anything for 100% certain.



Because as the perfect and presumably only actual INTP on the site you are the ideal person to decipher what each personality is? Give me a break.
Thank you, but several other posters are obviously perfect INTPs too. I haven't discovered anyone more versed than me in this system, here or in the real world, for years (I haven't been lucky enough). It's a passion, and nonchalant comments that contradict what I've decided based on research and experience irk me. Surely you know this already. By the way, I'm getting a heavy ENTP vibe...

[mgb]

No. SJs disagree with me automatically though. ENTPs disagree a lot, and are right one half the time. INTJs throw things at me. Is that disagreement? INFPs never disagree with me, or anyone, so I throw things at them. ENFPs disagree once, then are gone forever. I don't know the other types well enough to say anything for 100% certain.


Thank you, but several other posters are obviously perfect INTPs too. I haven't discovered anyone more versed than me in this system, here or in the real world, for years (I haven't been lucky enough). It's a passion, and nonchalant comments that contradict what I've decided based on research and experience irk me. Surely you know this already. By the way, I'm getting a heavy ENTP vibe...

Wow, that was clever, you really do know everything about MBTI. Except that you already called me an SJ before...so which is it?

Also back to the post that started this by Jezebel, she attacked semionics - not you - and you attacked her by calling her an SJ. From your very first post on INTP Central we learned:



I don't like SJs (From anywhere).


logically implying that you don't like Jezebel.

Rather than defend semionics you turned it into a personal attack. That is not the act of a rational. Maybe its time to take the test again because I am getting the vibe that you have your head up your ass.

[Edmond Zedo]

mgbradsh,

I never called you an SJ. The first comments I directed at you are in my last post within this thread. I said I had an SJ vibe from Jezebel, because she reminds me of ISTJs I know more than INTPs. That's not to say I actually dislike her. I feel rather neutral. Now I don't like you, firstly because I don't like character assassination, and secondly because you come off rather unprepared. What's semionics?

[Arioch]

No. SJs disagree with me automatically though. ENTPs disagree a lot, and are right one half the time. INTJs throw things at me. Is that disagreement? INFPs never disagree with me, or anyone, so I throw things at them. ENFPs disagree once, then are gone forever. I don't know the other types well enough to say anything for 100% certain.


Thank you, but several other posters are obviously perfect INTPs too. I haven't discovered anyone more versed than me in this system, here or in the real world, for years (I haven't been lucky enough). It's a passion, and nonchalant comments that contradict what I've decided based on research and experience irk me. Surely you know this already. By the way, I'm getting a heavy ENTP vibe...

Looking at this I can only think of the following.
The more educated you are the more you know how little you truly know

[mgb]

What are you, an SJ? Well I hope Paris isn't an SJ. It would ruin my plans tonight.


Link, just in case:
http://www.intpcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1312

Sorry, socionics. Imagine an INTP missing a gigantic detail like that...

And I was really striving to get you to like me - where did I go wrong?

[Edmond Zedo]

If this is the model of a perfect INTP, glad I'm only mediocre :)

The key is that even if you are more versed than anyone else, it doesn't entitle you to pass a form of judgement on them of type, as they already know their type. If you ask them once "Are you an ENTP?" or whatever, fine
No authorization is required to pass judgment. My judgment in question was lured out by ones disagreement with their type description in addition to a vague notion I had. And I was asked what type I considered.



And if you are so sure of all this, are you sure you're not an INTJ? You sound pretty fully based in this system, not willing to change your opinion. Really sounds INTJish to me, but if you're sure you're an INTP, I mean...I'm the most experienced person I know, so you couldn't be right. Not at all. Ever.?
I speak of generalities and probabilities, and make that clear. I know I'm not INTJ because I know that type well, and mine. This system is right for me, and if it's not right for you, why are you posting on a board for one of its types?


I'm trying to avert a flame war.
Not very attentatively, but I'm indifferent to "flame wars." Though I prefer they be debates.

[Edmond Zedo]

Link, just in case:
http://www.intpcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1312

Sorry, socionics. Imagine an INTP missing a gigantic detail like that...

And I was really striving to get you to like me - where did I go wrong?

Oh! I remember that, but I didn't know it was you. That, my friend, was a joke, and anyone interested should read the context.

[mgb]

Oh! I remember that, but I didn't know it was you. That, my friend, was a joke, and anyone interested should read the context.

I thought so too until I saw "your joke" pop up again. Or should we just be taking all your posts as jokes?

[Edmond Zedo]

I thought so too until I saw "your joke" pop up again. Or should we just be taking all your posts as jokes?

I would say at least half of my posts are more joke than anything. If you don't have the perception to sort them, I'll send you a complete review at the end of each month for a small processing fee.

[SheepDog]

I find socionics ridiculous and I can't really relate to most of the INTP or INTJ profiles. Plus, their superficial profiles describing what personalities look like to their taste in food to how often they wash their hands is laughable and it makes it difficult for me to take them seriously.
How could you not find this useful for understanding INTP's?
http://www.socionics.com/prof/intp.htm

"INTPs often have a characteristic round-shouldered posture. Their necks are often not as well proportioned as other types and their heads seem to strain forwards. Their eyes have a sorrowful look about them as if they are about to be victimised in some way. Their lips are usually not very expressive or defined. Their noses are somewhat aquiline in shape which combined with often flattened cheekbones giving the false impression that their noses are large."

[heeroyuy]

Much more important, I have to wonder, are we all, or just some of us, forgetting an MBTI INTP = Socionics INTj ;)?

[SheepDog]

Now I'm really confused, but not in a good way.

[Arioch]

Now I'm really confused, but not in a good way.

Short story:

when it comes to introverts socionics switches the P and J around.

So a INTP in MBTI is a INTj in socionics
A MBTI INTJ is a INTp in socionics. note that Socionics also likes to keep the last letter in small, not capital letters in the hope that people will see it differently then MBTI.

Longer story:
In MBTI P/J refers to what function the person uses to guide themselves in the outside world. Meaning not in your head. INTP's are P's because they use ExN to guide themselves in the outside world. A Perception function.

In Socionics the p/j refers to the dominant function in the Type. There MBTI INTP's are INTj's because their dominant type is InT. A Judging function.

[Edit at 2:20am GMT: I would like to say that I'm referring to how the Types are written in the two systems.]

[SheepDog]

I follow your explanation, Arioch, but it doesn't jive with this page, which seems to (somewhat) correlate with MBTI:
http://www.socionics.com/main/types.htm
although it does go with this:
http://www.socionics.com/advan/mbti.htm

I'm not stressing too much about this. I find their inclusion of physical characteristics to be unconvincing.

[Edmond Zedo]

I don't know where that fantasy originated.

Direct lift from SOCIONICS.com:
Perceiving vs. Judging...

Perceiving types
act impulsively following the situation
can start many things at once without finishing them properly
prefer to have freedom from obligations
are curious and like a fresh look at things
work productivity depends on their mood
often act without any preparation

Judging types
do not like to leave unanswered questions
plan work ahead and tend to finish it
do not like to change their decisions
have relatively stable workability
easy follow rules and discipline

[heeroyuy]

[1] First and most common fallacy is about relationship between Socionics and MBTI. The fallacy reads as following: "Extrovert types in Socionics and MBTI are the same, however Introvert types differ on J/P!". For example, Socionics INTJ is MBTI INTP and vice versa.


Looks like the myth is true to me expert, before claiming to be most reliable check your facts :) No harm done. Nothing to see here folks, move along...

Edit: Remaining here to show my apparent lack of reading skills :)

[Edmond Zedo]

You, Sir (heeroyuy), might do better to actually read what you post.

[1] First and most common fallacy is about relationship between Socionics and MBTI. The fallacy reads as following: "Extrovert types in Socionics and MBTI are the same, however Introvert types differ on J/P!". For example, Socionics INTJ is MBTI INTP and vice versa.

[heeroyuy]

True, but they can be different if you look further on that page. Most of the time. Personally, I just don't care for socionics theory. :)

[Vagabond]

Socionics system sucks if one uses it without bothering to understand it first, that's how it goes for every system I think. As to who is INTP-er here, well... every one of us may claim to be the biggest and best and most typical INTP of all and everyone else being therefore some different type... you know what is said about opinions...

[Edmond Zedo]

Socionics is eccentric, and indeed, their INTJ is closer to me than anyone else's (INTJ profile).

One of the things I respect about Soc. is they, like me, believe tests to be unreliable compared to behavior analysis, relationship analysis, and even visual identification. I can spot many female ENFPs or ESFPs just watching them for a few seconds. If and when I have gotten to know them, my ID was reinforced. It's surely because they're my favorite, but I'd imagine gaining skill with all types if I train for it.

[Edmond Zedo]

you know what is said about opinions...

They're like kittens? Always givin'em away.

[Vagabond]

They're like kittens? Always givin'em away. Almost.... close.:devil:

[SensEye]

I consider the whole socionics physical characteristics stuff to be bullshit. Since I find this highly dubious, in true MBTI INTP fashion, once someone's competence is called into question they are in big trouble. So I take everything from the socionics website with a large grain of salt.

And yes they have INTP vs INTJ the opposite of MBTI. Simply read the descriptions to verify.

Finally, Jezebel is NT from top to bottom, no doubt about it (this reference goes back a few posts).

[Edmond Zedo]

I consider the whole socionics physical characteristics stuff to be bullshit.
They make a point to state the physical descriptions within the profiles aren't to be taken as law. As to visual ID, do you think it's impossible?


And yes they have INTP vs INTJ the opposite of MBTI. Simply read the descriptions to verify.

I thought we'd cleared this up. That's incorrect.


Finally, Jezebel is NT from top to bottom, no doubt about it (this reference goes back a few posts).
SNTJ? But seriously, I never said anything was even probable, except that if she was sure about being INTP she probably was.

[Avengardh]

I've done really well with an ENFP and an INFJ. I like the NFs on the whole because they have a much different way of thinking and at the same time they can relate to INTPs because the are just as abstract with their thinking.

The one advantage I can see with another I is having a plethora of your own space.
I agree with the INFJs.

[Clara]

Groty, sorry - I can't do any better than agree with: contrary to what anyone would have predicted, I found my best match with... (no discernable pattern).



even the most compatible people may go through hell together and it depends more on each one's willingness to make the relationship succeed than whether you can have an intellectual conversation, or whatever. So right now I'm just enjoying my life, and if someone I'd like to spend it with shows up, great...
Like Jezebel, it isn't from not wanting to respond that I'm not going on at greater length... :)