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xavierd
12 Oct 2006, 06:59 PM
Just found this blog from a philosophy site I got to. I am in the process of reading it so I have no opinion yet. Just thought I would share it since it seems to be such a hot topic these days.

http://rantsand.blogspot.com/2006/09/observations-on-arabs.html

Dr. Haight
12 Oct 2006, 07:01 PM
Moved to 'Islam/Middle East'.

Stoned_Rider
12 Oct 2006, 10:46 PM
Heh I was actually going to post this a couple of days ago but I refrained at the last minute. The tone is probably a bit too harsh but I can't disagree with much of what it says. Yes, the vast majority of us do believe in Black Magic and the Djinn. Moroccans especially have a reputation throughout the Arab world for being notorious Black Magicians, especially our women. The rest of the Arabs actually fear our women muahaha! :devil:

A particularly interesting point...

Can the subjugation of women coexist with Western Civilization with Western media ubiquitous throughout the world? Can a pluralistic and tolerant society be governed by Islamic law? Can a modern economy exist where interest is forbidden and many forms of business risk-taking are considered gambling, and thus forbidden? Can a society that educates its young men by a process of rote recitation produce critically thinking, technically educated men to build and operate a modern economy? Can you even teach elementary concepts of maintenance to a people who believe that anything that happens is inshalla (As God will it)? To compete, or even just survive in the world they must become more like us and less like themselves ? and they know this.

MacGuffin
12 Oct 2006, 11:05 PM
Moroccans especially have a reputation throughout the Arab world for being notorious Black Magicians, especially our women. The rest of the Arabs actually fear our women muahaha! :devil:
My wife (Asian) hated Tangier as the all the men sat outside and stared at her as we walked by the cafes. Their heads swiveled like they were radar stations.

The Moroccan women, at least the ones dressed in Western fashions, would stare at me as we walked past each other on the sidewalks. Usually with a slight smile on their lips. Quite the ego boost!

I didn't realize they were doing Black Magic on me!

charred_heart
12 Oct 2006, 11:30 PM
The only point that's common for all arabs is this one:

7) In rhetoric, they don?t mean to be taken seriously and they don?t understand when we do.

Thus an ultimatum is often not taken seriously and the reality comes as a surprise. Remember the ?Mother of all Battles?? Like many other Mediterranean peoples, Arabs don?t seem to mind making a scene in public and have a high blown sense of drama. Paul Harvey once described how he had spent the Suez Crisis hiding under the bed in his hotel room because of the blood-curdling radio broadcasts, before he learned that Arabs talk like that when they?re arguing over a taxi. ?This is my taxi and I will defend it to the death!? ?You lie, it?s mine and rivers of blood will flow in the street before I give up my taxi!?

An Arab will scream at you, get into your personal space and sometimes kick dirt on your shoe ? and they react with utter surprise when an American up and decks him. ?What did I do?? To say the least, this makes negotiations difficult.


The rest apply to the arabs from the Gulf region.

Stoned_Rider
12 Oct 2006, 11:41 PM
My wife (Asian) hated Tangier as the all the men sat outside and stared at her as we walked by the cafes. Their heads swiveled like they were radar stations.

The Moroccan women, at least the ones dressed in Western fashions, would stare at me as we walked past each other on the sidewalks. Usually with a slight smile on their lips. Quite the ego boost!

I didn't realize they were doing Black Magic on me!

Haha!! That's known as Tberguig, an exclusively Moroccan tradition. Ask any Moroccan about Tberguig and you'll know what I meant!
It's both a tradition and favourite pastime among us, young and old, male and female. Basically it involves just sitting there, eyeing people up and down as they walk by, in the rudest of manners, making them paranoid :D
We will also not hesitate to comment on how your shirt is not properly ironed or how the colour of your shoes does not match the rest of what you're wearing :lol:

So it's not really Black Magic per se, but it definitely adds to our air of mysteriousness :D

charred_heart
12 Oct 2006, 11:44 PM
Haha!! That's known as Tberguig, an exclusively Moroccan tradition. Ask any Moroccan about Tberguig and you'll know what I meant!
It's both a tradition and favourite pastime among us, young and old, male and female. Basically it involves just sitting there, eyeing people up and down as they walk by, in the rudest of manners, making them paranoid :D
We we will also not hesitate to comment on how your shirt is not properly ironed or how the colour of your shoes does not match the rest of what you're wearing :lol:

So it's not really Black Magic per se, but it definitely adds to our air of mysteriousness :Dprobably a side effect of unemployment. It's called being dabeeb, or bieng a lizard in Sudan.

sandwich
18 Oct 2006, 11:31 PM
I remember giving a pep talk to my students before a crucial exam, ?You are all going to pass the exam, right?? ?Inshallah teacher.? ?No, no!? I shouted, ?No inshallah. Study!?

Way too true.


My wife (Asian) hated Tangier as the all the men sat outside and stared at her as we walked by the cafes. Their heads swiveled like they were radar stations.

Ugh, I hate that, especially when Arab girls wearing less clothes than I am walk about unnoticed.

I sort of skimmed the article, but what I read was equal to what I've seen.

MacGuffin
18 Oct 2006, 11:39 PM
Ugh, I hate that, especially when Arab girls wearing less clothes than I am walk about unnoticed.
Where is this? Are you asian?

sandwich
19 Oct 2006, 03:46 PM
Where is this? Are you asian?

No, but I am white and very obviously not Arab. This was in Nazareth, Israel where the population is about 99.5% Arab. It's great for a visit; they have the best kanafeh in the country.

demagogic_schizoid
19 Oct 2006, 04:01 PM
" In rhetoric, they don?t mean to be taken seriously and they don?t understand when we do.

Thus an ultimatum is often not taken seriously and the reality comes as a surprise. Remember the ?Mother of all Battles?? Like many other Mediterranean peoples, Arabs don?t seem to mind making a scene in public and have a high blown sense of drama. Paul Harvey once described how he had spent the Suez Crisis hiding under the bed in his hotel room because of the blood-curdling radio broadcasts, before he learned that Arabs talk like that when they?re arguing over a taxi. ?This is my taxi and I will defend it to the death!? ?You lie, it?s mine and rivers of blood will flow in the street before I give up my taxi!?

An Arab will scream at you, get into your personal space and sometimes kick dirt on your shoe ? and they react with utter surprise when an American up and decks him. ?What did I do?? To say the least, this makes negotiations difficult. "

That sounds like me. I hate it when people assume what you say is what you really mean and do not look for the deeper reasons for saying it! I love Arabs I guess I must be one at heart.

dubbeltop
19 Oct 2006, 04:20 PM
Observations on Arabs part II

Observations from a minaret do give SUCH a distorted picture of the life on the ground....

http://www.knowledgerush.com/kr/encyclopedia/Minaret

Stoned_Rider
20 Oct 2006, 10:19 AM
You Moroccans are weird. Your women have turned you into idiot's. No offense like.

See what I mean, MacGuffin? :lol:


I love Arabs I guess I must be one at heart.
Hey I know a lot of Argentinians are of Arab origin, such as Gabriel Batistuta, Carlos Monem etc.. Maybe you are one? :D