Who else is tired of putting up with liars and jerks?

[ohnoaninfp]

I am just postin this so people can vent about things. Sorry I just lost another friend, who wasn't that much of a friend in the first place.

[Claverhouse]

Actually, I thought instantly that this was going to be about politicians. :rant:

Er, sorry. -_-



Claverhouse :ph34r:

[Avengardh]

I wish I could say I put up with them...but I don't, you are either honest with me or I won't tell you what you did "wrong" or didn't do and I will stop talking to you.

Saves me the hassle to deal with jerks and they really get frustrated in their own game.
But go ahead, vent anyway, if not here, where?

~*Aven*~

[BritainOphira]

I wish I could say I put up with them...but I don't, you are either honest with me or I won't tell you what you did "wrong" or didn't do and I will stop talking to you.


Actually that is the very reason why I refused to talk to one of my "friends" for almost a full year. Not the best solution to the problem, but it was much easier on my sanity than dealing with his ignorant, self-centered, melodramatic moods. (i.e. Deciding he didn't get enough attention so he faked a suicide attempt. Great friend, huh?)

[HairlessBluetick]

I wish I could say I put up with them...but I don't, you are either honest with me or I won't tell you what you did "wrong" or didn't do and I will stop talking to you.

Wish I had that luck :-p . Easy enough when they're your own people, but when you're roped into putting up with someone because they're someone else's? Ugh. I have the worst luck with family members.

[Avengardh]

Actually that is the very reason why I refused to talk to one of my "friends" for almost a full year. Not the best solution to the problem, but it was much easier on my sanity than dealing with his ignorant, self-centered, melodramatic moods. (i.e. Deciding he didn't get enough attention so he faked a suicide attempt. Great friend, huh?)

*Nod* I find that some people seem to like taking and taking from other people without realizing that sometimes one needs to also rest.
Yes, perhaps it's not the best solution, but if they are really your friends they will realize something is wrong and will ask. I usually tend to tell them once they do, but if they don't really give a damn then they weren't worth it in the first place.

~*Aven*~

[nobarcode]

I am just postin this so people can vent about things. Sorry I just lost another friend, who wasn't that much of a friend in the first place.
:huh: You know her too?


J/K :D

[Avengardh]

Wish I had that luck :-p . Easy enough when they're your own people, but when you're roped into putting up with someone because they're someone else's? Ugh. I have the worst luck with family members.

Ew...but I know what you mean. I usually tend to like to torment my brother's best friend, he's practically "family" now, he comes and goes as he pleases. He seems to regard me as some type of unattainable prize (in regards to gf material), but he is still annoying as hell.
I tend to ignore him, but you can ignore someone for so long who wants exactly the opposite....

~*Aven*~

[HairlessBluetick]

True, true. It took me a long time to figure out that I don't have to be constantly giving attention to people when they "need me" . I currently have a "no advice" policy. Apparently I give really good advice (regardless of the fact that it is never taken.)

[nobarcode]

Slava:

....all I want is input in the form of logical truths (maybe thats why i hate when people lie)..... www.intpcentral.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=204
yes

Avengardh:

...I wish I could say I put up with them...but I don't, you are either honest with me or I won't tell you what you did "wrong" or didn't do and I will stop talking to you. .....*Nod* I find that some people seem to like taking and taking from other people without realizing that sometimes one needs to also rest....

yes

Once again, I'll leave it to others make the post for me. ;)

[ohnoaninfp]

The friend, who I recently stopped taking to called and appologized. I am still angry and I don't know if I can trust him ever again, since he has lied to me.
I guess I would give him another chance, and if he starts to treat me like dirt again, I will no longer talk to him. :unsure:

[Strephonade]

What was it he did that made you angry with him?

[ohnoaninfp]

He was always self centered. He always tore down my beliefs on certian things and sometimes talked to me like I was a sex object. He lied to me. I went over his house one night and we talked for two hours. I talked about some of the things that were troubling me. Another friend of mine called me.
She said that he called her and told her that him and I got in a huge argument, and that he had to listen to my "bull shit" for two hours. He expects me to read his mind and know what is bothering him. He also gets kind of jealous. One night I was out with my friends. I was really upset, because of all the stress I was under. I was crying a little, and one of my friends, who was a girl, gave me a hug to cheer me up. Well he got jealous and was mad at me, because he thinks i trust her more than him. Well Duh! He had a crush on me, so I was afriad to hug him, since I don't like him that way. She hugged me to comfort me and he got mad? I could understand a little if it was a guy who hugged me, but he shouldn't have been angry at me. He kinda puts me through strange things like that. I am deciding wether or not to give him another chance. :huh:

[HairlessBluetick]

Oh my.... don't bother. I've seen to many people go back and back and back to someone who doesn't deserve them. Just leave and don't look back. It's the easiest answer, trust me.

[nobarcode]

He was always self centeredthings..................I am deciding wether or not to give him another chance. :huh:
If it helps, I understand your confusion. Sometimes I just have to do something entirely different to gain perspective. Most often, for me, this involves isolating. My introversion gives me the platform for my other functions to "operate properly"...if you will.

[Hunter]

To paraphrase Sixth Sense...



I see stupid people...
They're everywhere...
They don't know that they're stupid...
They think they're just as smart as anyone else...


I am pretty sick of the morons that seem to end up running things around here. I plan to move to Canada ASAP, then head for Japan and/or Northern (read as: neutral) Europe.

[ohnoaninfp]

I see stupid people...
They're everywhere...
They don't know that they're stupid...
They think they're just as smart as anyone else...


:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :cheers: :rofl: :rofl: :cheers: :rofl: :rofl: :cheers:

[Claverhouse]

I am pretty sick of the morons that seem to end up running things around here. I plan to move to Canada ASAP, then head for Japan and/or Northern (read as: neutral) Europe.

Actually, although it's my home-town, Europe's in a pretty bad way now. Since 1945 we've been copying US culture & instructions on how to live rather assiduously... :D


Claverhouse :ph34r:

[Division56]

See, if you were an INTP you would have a whole different approach.

You'd wean the person off of you over a few weeks or more and they quietly drift out of contact. That's how my interpersonal relationships always end.

[Vagabond]

Not mine... I am the one that walks away usually.

[Hunter]

Actually, although it's my home-town, Europe's in a pretty bad way now. Since 1945 we've been copying US culture & instructions on how to live rather assiduously... :D


Claverhouse :ph34r:

Blast! Guess that leaves Japan...though I don't know if I can stand seeing used underwear in vending machines on the street...

[Claverhouse]

[ Rustic accent ]

Arggh, now back in the old days, in that forum we 'ad before ye'were ever aware there was an INTP place; back there we 'ad a thread on Japanese school-uniforms. Them was the days. Not that it would 'ave interested you surely.
:D


Claverhouse :ph34r:

[Odyssey]

Apparently I give really good advice (regardless of the fact that it is never taken.)
Some of the best advice is what you know you really don't feel like hearing =P


He always tore down my beliefs on certian things and sometimes talked to me like I was a sex object. He lied to me.
If I were you, ohnoaninfp, - and this is a quite an IF because I'm an interpersonally-demanding* overachiever somewhat-self-centered male! - I would write a polite letter/email to him about how you feel, pointing out that it's not HIM that you dislike, but his decisions and actions and how he treats you. Assuming you haven't lied or been unwelcomely inappropriate to him, you act more mature than him and you're worth finding someone from a better gene pool.

I know one woman who tried to go out with someone just like that, and she kept trying to salvage the relationship with therapy and repeated "trying", but you know what? She's psychologically and physically healthier (less anxiety, more self-assurance, less drinking, more sleep) after finally moving on from that. The best restaurants don't hire people and wait for them to become nice waiters; they hire the nicest people.

~Odyssey


*meaning I have very high expectations for how I'm treated, how I treat others, and how others treat each other

[Avengardh]

*meaning I have very high expectations for how I'm treated, how I treat others, and how others treat each other

That's what I told someone who was listening to my rants one day, and she said that it wasn't so much "expectations" but what I needed.
I dunno if that's true, but I am starting to believe I am an elitist when it comes to the people I actually associate myself with...

Oh, and to infp, I know you and I are different (although I also test as an INFP), but, dude (I call everyone "dude", if you don't like it feel free to ignore it ^^) if someone had done what I read this person did to you, I would totally not talk to them again...at all.

In the end they are the ones who always miss the understanding and the unique qualities of people like us. Happened to me, but like someone once told me, you have to love yourself enough to know that some people just don't deserve your attention.


~*Aven*~

[paladinoflunaria]

I'm very indecisive- I have much trouble walking away, even if I know it is the logical thing to do. I need to kill that one.

[Crazy]

you are either honest with me or I won't tell you what you did "wrong" or didn't do

This, to me, makes no sense. If you don't tell the person, how will they be able to correct the problem? My wife does this to me all the time, and it pisses me off. She says, "you should know" and "If you don't know then I'm not going to tell you" and it aggrivates me, cause if I don't know, that is when I need to be told the most. If I do it again, then it is your fault, becuase you didn't let me know that this particular action (or inaction) bothered you.

Of course, there are some things that are enough to end a friendship (or relationship) without a second chance, but at least a mutual understanding of why is important.

[ohnoaninfp]

He calls me and talks to me like I forgave him. I am trying to break off comunication with him. He thinks I am not angry anymore. I don't want to have to talk to him about it again, because he might not understand. I don't know its late and I am tired.

[Avengardh]

you are either honest with me or I won't tell you what you did "wrong" or didn't do

This, to me, makes no sense. If you don't tell the person, how will they be able to correct the problem? My wife does this to me all the time, and it pisses me off. She says, "you should know" and "If you don't know then I'm not going to tell you" and it aggrivates me, cause if I don't know, that is when I need to be told the most. If I do it again, then it is your fault, becuase you didn't let me know that this particular action (or inaction) bothered you.

Of course, there are some things that are enough to end a friendship (or relationship) without a second chance, but at least a mutual understanding of why is important.

If you did something wrong, and I am not talking to you, it's a sure sign, it's not like I won't tell the person when they ask, that is if they ask though.
I am pretty tolerant of most things, which is why it's rare in me when I do this, it usually happens when someone betrays me and is pretty obvious.
If I care enough about the person I will talk to them about it, if not, then I won't ^_^

Sorry your wife does that to you...must suck u.u

~*Aven*~

[Claverhouse]

you are either honest with me or I won't tell you what you did "wrong" or didn't do

This, to me, makes no sense. If you don't tell the person, how will they be able to correct the problem? My wife does this to me all the time, and it pisses me off. She says, "you should know" and "If you don't know then I'm not going to tell you" and it aggrivates me, cause if I don't know, that is when I need to be told the most. If I do it again, then it is your fault, becuase you didn't let me know that this particular action (or inaction) bothered you.


There is only one proper response to this sort of thing: utter & total ignoring of their attitude and concern. ( Not ignoring them, just their wrong behaviour ) If they have a concern, they should speak up like brave little soldiers: I'm not here on earth to play guessing-games that bore me.


And half the time the matter is so trivial I would ignore it anyway. :devil:



Claverhouse :ph34r: