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Hustler
23 Oct 2006, 05:32 AM
I would like to see the creation of a Meta-INTPc subforum for threads about INTPc and why it sucks. However, I'm not completely sold on this idea, because maybe these threads are best left peppered amidst the general thread population all over the forum. Thoughts?
s0978
23 Oct 2006, 05:58 AM
I like, and don't think it has to be exclusively about suckage- intps seem to just like meta-thinking everything, even their playground, so it would seem to be a worthy experiment.

It'd be kind of like opening up this forum, maybe.
CoHo
23 Oct 2006, 05:59 AM
First thing that came to my head was Suggestions, Complaints and Notifications...?
s0978
23 Oct 2006, 06:05 AM
First thing that came to my head was Suggestions, Complaints and Notifications...?

what about the more navel-gazey threads, like I'm thinking of th!nkstyle, who has often (http://forums.intpcentral.com/showthread.php?t=12004) amused (http://forums.intpcentral.com/showthread.php?t=11704) me (http://forums.intpcentral.com/showthread.php?t=11847).
Hustler
23 Oct 2006, 06:06 AM
First thing that came to my head was Suggestions, Complaints and Notifications...?

It's obviously not the same thing. People asking why INTPc sucks, for example, is not the same thing as making a specific suggestion or complaint regarding INTPc.
PenguinHunter
23 Oct 2006, 06:52 AM
I like the idea. Call it something nice like INTPc Introspection. At two and a half years old the forum deserves a place to reflect on the developing faculty of self-awareness that (though it seems contradictory) might allow it to escape the egoism of youth.
panda
23 Oct 2006, 08:01 AM
I'm in favor.
MacGuffin
23 Oct 2006, 11:36 AM
Are there enough threads to support it?

A few come along now and then, but enough for a separate forum?

You know I love killing subforums.
ApeTheDog
23 Oct 2006, 01:04 PM
I would prefer it if we didn't have these kind of threads. They won't help anybody, and they'll only keep people further away from realising that - no - this forum doesn't suck. A forum isn't anything but the people who make it up. WE suck. Bitching about how everything is somebody elses fault will only deter us from realising what it is that we need to do better to make this place more amusing.

Some people don't even realise, imo, that if you want there to be interesting, thoughtful threads to read, they need to also make some of those themselves. And that really does take an effort.
Melody
23 Oct 2006, 01:22 PM
It would be nice to see just how much INTPC is talked about, and forcing people to make such threads in that metaforum would serve as a "You're about to do something that's been done many, many times already" and "Yeah yeah, we know" gateway. Which might get those threads to STFU before they're born and redirect energy to more fruitful endeavours. That's what I'm interested in.

In this sense, it doesn't have to be an active forum. It's purpose would simply be to act as a filter sentinel.

We could get silly and have subforums for all sorts of things that keep coming up ("I'm leaving" subforum in Welcomes and Introductions :lol:) but if it's overdone their mass subforum status would be a weak form and probably wouldn't work as well.

Just my perspective. I know that angle isn't necessarily the one being spoken of here.


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Is it possible to place a thread in multiple places at the same time? For example, Hustler's "What is wrong with you people?" thread could be in both Classics and the metaforum.
kuranes
23 Oct 2006, 02:01 PM
Agree with Ape.
MacGuffin
23 Oct 2006, 02:03 PM
Of course it just doesn't need to by "why INTPc sucks" threads.

Other meta threads like my INTPc prediction thread (http://forums.intpcentral.com/showthread.php?t=5540) could go there (that I just updated).
Melody
23 Oct 2006, 02:24 PM
I would prefer it if we didn't have these kind of threads. They won't help anybody, and they'll only keep people further away from realising that - no - this forum doesn't suck. A forum isn't anything but the people who make it up. WE suck. Bitching about how everything is somebody elses fault will only deter us from realising what it is that we need to do better to make this place more amusing.Right. What if such a forum actually minimized the number and/or impact of such threads?

I wasn't around enough before Purgatory was added in. What effect, if any, has it had on bitch fighting throughout INTPC?

It may seem like a bad idea because giving them their own forum may seem like promoting them, but at least in the long run, I think it would serve as a check against them, converging them to honest threads like th!nkstyle's that s# pointed out above.
Dr. Haight
23 Oct 2006, 02:54 PM
I would prefer it if we didn't have these kind of threads. They won't help anybody, and they'll only keep people further away from realising that - no - this forum doesn't suck. A forum isn't anything but the people who make it up. WE suck. Bitching about how everything is somebody elses fault will only deter us from realising what it is that we need to do better to make this place more amusing.

Some people don't even realise, imo, that if you want there to be interesting, thoughtful threads to read, they need to also make some of those themselves. And that really does take an effort.Word!
Rajah
23 Oct 2006, 03:06 PM
Kind of disagree with Ape.

These threads are going to exist whether or not you want them to -- if they were in a separate subforum, wouldn't it be easier for you to ignore them? Plus, for the most part, I trust people to decide whether this forum sucks or not. I don't think some straggler complaining threads are going to sway people's opinions.
ApeTheDog
23 Oct 2006, 03:46 PM
Rajah: The forum would act as an enabler for them - encouraging people to start them AND it would also act towards disempowering them, precisely because nobody is going to take them seriously, as you stated. It just doesn't seem like a good idea to me.
Rajah
23 Oct 2006, 05:11 PM
Rajah: The forum would act as an enabler for them - encouraging people to start them AND it would also act towards disempowering them, precisely because nobody is going to take them seriously, as you stated. It just doesn't seem like a good idea to me.

I do see your point. I don't think having this subforum in and of itself will motivate people to post anti-Central threads. I could be swayed to agree that the subforum would disempower these threads, but frankly I think we've hit that point already.

I can also see where a dedicated subforum could be useful to hashing out these issues. Even if you disagree with the sentiment, at least a significant part of Central feels the site is in decline. The subforum's not necessarily a bad idea.
MacGuffin
23 Oct 2006, 05:14 PM
Rajah: The forum would act as an enabler for them - encouraging people to start them AND it would also act towards disempowering them, precisely because nobody is going to take them seriously, as you stated. It just doesn't seem like a good idea to me.
That is the main reason we have Purgatory.
ApeTheDog
23 Oct 2006, 05:23 PM
We wouldn't be able to remove it again should the forum have straightened itself out again, later. It'll be a legacy thing we're stuck with forever. From now on until eternity, there will be a place for bitching about the forum.
MacGuffin
23 Oct 2006, 05:23 PM
Until I get annoyed and kill it.
ApeTheDog
23 Oct 2006, 05:27 PM
Which in turn leads to everybody becoming annoyed with you because we should have talked about this. And we all know how decisive we can be when we have to reach a concensus.

Forum-logo anyone?
MacGuffin
23 Oct 2006, 05:29 PM
Hey, I've killed like 4-5 subforums in the past month alone!
ApeTheDog
23 Oct 2006, 05:31 PM
Which ones?

Try killing one that people post in, or care about. That will be a whole different matter.
MacGuffin
23 Oct 2006, 05:34 PM
Which ones?

Try killing one that people post in, or care about. That will be a whole different matter.
People would care about this one?
C.J.Woolf
23 Oct 2006, 05:36 PM
It would be nice to see just how much INTPC is talked about, and forcing people to make such threads in that metaforum would serve as a "You're about to do something that's been done many, many times already" and "Yeah yeah, we know" gateway. Which might get those threads to STFU before they're born and redirect energy to more fruitful endeavours. That's what I'm interested in.

In this sense, it doesn't have to be an active forum. It's purpose would simply be to act as a filter sentinel.
I like the way you think, Melody. Hustler's thread confining all Nemesis vs. Bergenski posts is in the same vein. I guessed that both of them would be too embarrassed to continue their squabbling there, and as of now they haven't.

So, I favor the idea.
CoHo
23 Oct 2006, 07:50 PM
What about all the "I Quit" threads? Should they be moved to the same location... are they sort of along the same lines?
Rhu
23 Oct 2006, 08:05 PM
Related idea:

Every thread with "suck" in the title get pulled together into a single giant megathread.




We could update it every weekday, and Polly Esther could provide us with a bitter, silly story about her life on Wednesdays, complete with cartoons and diagrams!
s0978
23 Oct 2006, 08:08 PM
What about all the "I Quit" threads? Should they be moved to the same location... are they sort of along the same lines?
good idea, the subforum could have its own little sub!
bclark619g
23 Oct 2006, 08:18 PM
Would it be possible to be more subtle? Is it possible to prevent certain threads from showing up on the New Posts list?

After a moderator determines the thread is negative to INTPc, the setting is changed to prevent it from showing up under New Posts. Let it continue to update on Control Panel, of course. This would minimize the publicizing of these types of threads.
Rhu
23 Oct 2006, 08:22 PM
That is far less subtle. And there would be a proliferation of threads about censorship and supression of opinions.
CoHo
23 Oct 2006, 08:24 PM
Is it possible to prevent certain threads from showing up on the New Posts list?

Not to get too off topic but this feature bugs me. I wish we could subscribe to sub forums and choose if we want them on our new-posts or not. I would rather have Purgatory show up on my new posts then My Crappy Relationships Sub-Forum or My Crappy Poetry about my Crappy Relationships Sub-Forum

Crappy
bclark619g
23 Oct 2006, 08:27 PM
Censorship is the prevention of certain things being published. My suggestion is to not have it show up on the New Posts list--not delete the thread.
Melody
23 Oct 2006, 08:28 PM
good idea, the subforum could have its own little sub!
We could get silly and have subforums for all sorts of things that keep coming up ("I'm leaving" subforum in Welcomes and Introductions :lol:) but if it's overdone their mass subforum status would be a weak form and probably wouldn't work as well.It can't be overdone (I would say about two or three of these types of forums max) because by then each forum won't work as a sentinel -- the whole thing will instead be perceived as a global attempt to control the flow of ideas in some way.
Rhu
23 Oct 2006, 08:44 PM
Censorship is the prevention of certain things being published. My suggestion is to not have it show up on the New Posts list--not delete the thread.

Subjective perception is usually more important to people than objective reality.
s0978
23 Oct 2006, 09:27 PM
*I already said that, you asshole*
heh, oops, sorry!
shaytana
23 Oct 2006, 10:06 PM
It'd be kind of like opening up this forum, maybe.

That was my first thought upon reading this.

I like the idea.
MacGuffin
23 Oct 2006, 10:08 PM
I nominate s090210 to move all relevant threads when/if we get the new subforum.
s0978
23 Oct 2006, 10:44 PM
I nominate s090210 to move all relevant threads when/if we get the new subforum.
uh huh, and I suppose the intj (http://forums.intpcentral.com/member.php?u=535) can start it and you will kill it when it comes time. I see what's going on!

(I wouldn't really mind the assignment, but others could help, depending on how far back we wanted to go.)
MacGuffin
23 Oct 2006, 10:45 PM
I'm like busy with poetry or something.
xNTP
12 Oct 2007, 12:20 AM
This is a great idea, although I'd also prefer if it was just ideas about INTPc, not necessarily why it sucks. I was about to suggest this as a new forum, but I saw this thread.

As to popularity of the subforum, I think it would be very popular. A lot of people wonder about this site's dynamics (not just admin-user, but lurkers, social psychology, etc). It'd be nice, I think.