The Vaults of Erowid

[Claverhouse]

ABOUT EROWID
Erowid.org is an online library of information about psychoactive plants and chemicals and related topics. The information on the site is a compilation of the experiences, words, and efforts of hundreds of individuals including users, parents, health professionals, doctors, therapists, chemists, researchers, teachers, and lawyers. Erowid acts as a publisher of new information as well as a library for the collection of documents published elsewhere. The information found on the site spans the spectrum from solid peer reviewed research to fanciful creative writing.

I'm not interested at all in Drugs or Mind & Spirit, or Freedom: but no doubt some of you are, and it's a very pretty site. :D

The Vaults of Erowid (http://www.erowid.org/)



Claverhouse :ph34r:

[Utopmk]

That is where I got my avatar.
I have posted my own experiences there, in DXM, LSD, DMT, and LSA (morning glory), but under a different name.

[Claverhouse]

That explains a lot :D :ph34r: :devil: :D :devil: :ph34r:

Anyway, congratulations.



Claverhouse :ph34r:

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Yeah, this is a fantastic site. Anybody who is it all interested in the wonderful world of psychoactives should check it out. Then again, if you are interested, chances are, you already have. And yeah, Utopmk, based solely on your avatar, I determined a while ago that you rock :)

[paladinoflunaria]

I hate chemicals that screw with the brain, be it alcohol or prozac. Firstly, you should deal with your problems through force of will- it's the best, and probably the only realistic way (likely the only way) of doing it. Secondly, no medicine will "help" you forever, so you're gonna have to come back to the real world some time.

[Jkrs]

I'll agree that medication is best used as a stopgap while behavioural changes are made, but sometimes the problem is genuinely seated in brain chemistry. If that's where the root of the problem is, one should treat that source with whatever works best.


Secondly, no medicine will "help" you forever, so you're gonna have to come back to the real world some time.
Just out of curiousity, do you consider the 'real world' of someone whose baseline state is depressed -> suicidal any more real than that experienced by the same person on an appropriate medication?

[Claverhouse]

I hate chemicals that screw with the brain, be it alcohol or prozac. Firstly, you should deal with your problems through force of will- it's the best, and probably the only realistic way (likely the only way) of doing it. Secondly, no medicine will "help" you forever, so you're gonna have to come back to the real world some time.

Personally I agree, but as to your second point no: many druggies, not all, end up in the cold cold ground... :devil:


Claverhouse :ph34r:

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paladinoflunaria - I think if you really examine your position you will find it to be flawed. This is not a black and white issue; drugs can be used in harmful and helpful ways, they are not inherently good or bad. I think you are taking issue with people who use drugs to escape from problems and mistakenly extending that dislike to drugs in general.

[paladinoflunaria]

Have any of you been on psychoactive drugs?

[Claverhouse]

Alas, I wouldn't even take pharmacuticals ( except in an accident-related illness of course; eg: pain-killers ).

Still, I think people should have the right to take whatever they want even if it kills them. I'm just uninterested or too cowardly.



Claverhouse :ph34r:

[Jkrs]

Nope, I have more interesting things to spend time on.

Adults are responsible for themselves by definition. If they want to do dangerous things, it should be their decision entirely.

[Strephonade]

No. If I want a 'high', I know I can induce one naturally, like through physical exertion, or through meditation.



Adults are responsible for themselves by definition. If they want to do dangerous things, it should be their decision entirely.

Yes, I agree--somewhat like Sartre, I do think that we are ultimately, individually, totally responsible for all of our actions.