UCLA Police Tazer Student in Library You Tube Video

[inspectorgadget]

Errr... just saw this video, what do you guys think? Police Brutality?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyvrqcxNIFs

[Jennywocky]

I think I'm going to return all my books on time from now on, that is what I think.

[inspectorgadget]

I wish I knew what the guy did to begin with, although I can't imagine what he could have done to deserve what he got... :|

[MacGuffin]

I wish I knew what the guy did to begin with, although I can't imagine what he could have done to deserve what he got... :|
Maybe he raped an 8 year old.

[Jennywocky]

Maybe he raped an 8 year old.

You know, if there was a line here somewhere, it was just crossed with a leap and a bound. (...crazy clown...)

[stopharian]

Thats insane. It seems like a pretty clear case of abuse. The guy was obviously immobilized and under their control. My understanding is that a tazer is used to control a dangerous subject not as a tool of coersion. I love how they threatened to taze the bystander at the end.

[stopharian]

La Times reports that he refused to show his student ID.

edit:

heres the link to the news report (http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/california/la-me-cellcamera16nov16,1,2951795.story?coll=la-headlines-pe-california)

[inspectorgadget]

Thats insane. It seems like a pretty clear case of abuse. The guy was obviously immobilized and under their control. My understanding is that a tazer is used to control a dangerous subject not as a tool of coersion. I love how they threatened to taze the bystander at the end.

It's funny how they taze him, then yell at him to get up and walk - then taze him because he isn't getting up quick enough for him, then yell at him for laying on the ground, and taze him AGAIN...

I think it happens like 5 or six times...

[stopharian]

according to their own statements they tased him the first time because he went limp when they tried to remove him from the library.

[Melody]

LOL! i love all the commotion, and the fact that it's on video and on the internet. GO GOOGLE

[PlayerOfGames]

I wish I knew what the guy did to begin with, although I can't imagine what he could have done to deserve what he got... :|

There is nothing he could have done to justify him being tazed repeatedly by the police like that, ever. Their role is to use reasonable force to take someone into custody or diffuse a situation.

[inspectorgadget]

From what I understand a Taser paralyzes you, so I wonder for how long? How long is one paralyzed after being tased? What's a reasonable amount of time for recovery from being tased? Was it physically possible for this kid to get up and walk in the amount of time the police officers demanded that he get up after they hit him with the taser?

[inspectorgadget]

There is nothing he could have done to justify him being tazed repeatedly by the police like that, ever. Their role is to use reasonable force to take someone into custody or diffuse a situation.

Yeah, considering they already had him in hand cuffs they should have just picked him up and carried him out to the police car - it seems like there were enough police officers there to go ahead and do that... and if there wasn't, they should have just called for help. The kid obviously wasn't going to try to run away or anything...

[CoHo]

Watching this got me thinking about public monitoring. It appears we don't care if the individual conceals a portable recording device but if the government was to install visible monitors in the same locations there would be an outrage.

When does the individual's actions become more sincere then the government's? When should the up skirt fanatic be handed more rights then the smarmy snake oil government conspirator?

[Deckard]

Wow...that was brutal. Hope the bastards lose their badges over that.

[stopharian]

The kid will probably end up rich after all is said and done. He wont have to spend nights in the UCLA libray anymore. 5 minutes of repeated taser blasts to the buttocks are a small price to pay for financial security.

No doubt the ACLU and Amnesty International already have teams of lawyers working to destroy the lives of the idiotic officers involved.

Funny how life can change so drastically in a single instant.

[Leftfield]

"Here's your Patriot Act... here's your fucking abuse of power."

Stand up or be tased... what the fuck is that? Three cops can't cuff and take a kid out to the car for whatever he did.

Awesome, I love this utopia we live in. At least the kid was educated enough on the basics of the Authoritarian... I mean Patriot Act...

[cafe]

God. I would have tazed him a couple of extra times just for the whining and preaching.

[PiccoloNamek]

Watching this makes me feel ill. They keep yelling at him to stand up, AFTER INCAPACITATING HIM WITH A TAZER. And then they tazer him again for not standing up!

People like that are the reason so many hate cops.

[Ghost-Girl]

Since everybody has said what I was going to say, i'll give my first impression:

Holy crap.

[Meliora]

The cops had no reason to taze him since it looks like all he was doing was refusing to move, and they could've simply carried/dragged him out like they would probably do with anyone who refused to get up and walk. Then again, the student was being an idiot too.

[George_McFly]

I would think campus cops would not have the same legal protection as city cops.

[eyebyte_atWork]

I hate cops - but then again I have seen this type of thing growing up. Police are there to keep the middle class happy - and often that means stomping on the undesirables. In this case a college student who gave "just cause" to do this. In cases where I grew up - being in the wrong area at the wrong time was enough. I am glad that people have video recording equiptment so readily available - to keep things even. In the old days - the cops coud have beaten him bloody and no-one would have doubted their story - because they are cops. The few cops I personally knew (in my old town) were bully types.

[Fade2Black]

God. I would have tazed him a couple of extra times just for the whining and preaching.

I completely agree.

[stopharian]

I would think campus cops would not have the same legal protection as city cops.

Campus cops probably have a wider latitude than city cops. UCLA is a state owned campus/territory and therefore it isnt subject to any of the laws of the surrounding city. University campuses slip through a lot of loopholes.

[booyalab]

God. I would have tazed him a couple of extra times just for the whining and preaching.

yeah, it kind of makes you wonder if he was testing them.

[joft]

if you read the article, it says the police reported that he just went limp and refused to leave, but witnessed reported that he took his backpack and started walking toward the door when an officer grabbed his arm and he pulled away and said "get off me" and that's when it began. they also lifted him up and tasered him in the butt at one point. it really was excessive and wrong, no amount of "whining" justifies that

[Melody]

http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/california/la-me-ucla17nov17,1,4599352.story?coll=la-headlines-pe-california

http://news.google.com keep up to date ^_^

[dubbeltop]

Wow Benjamin Franklin would be proud !!!


btw: this was before I saw the video which is in my opinion totally fake!! Real police always call for backup when there is a large crowd.

[macr0]

I would think campus cops would not have the same legal protection as city cops.

You would be wrong. University Police Officers are not "rent-a-cops." They are full out police with all of the rights of regular cops, usually having their own jail. The ones that don't have any policing rights are the ones who run around with "Security" written on their brightly colored shirts.

This is how it was at my U anyway.

[macr0]

http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/california/la-me-ucla17nov17,1,4599352.story?coll=la-headlines-pe-california

http://news.google.com keep up to date ^_^

He is of Iranian descent? The police are screwed :)



The incident follows the recent announcement that four of the campus police department's nearly 60 full-time sworn officers had won so-called Taser Awards granted by the manufacturer of the device to "law enforcement officers who save a life in the line of duty through extraordinary use of the Taser." The award stemmed from an incident in which officers subdued a patient who allegedly threatened staff at the campus' Neuropsychiatric Hospital with metal scissors.

Jeff Young, assistant police chief, declined to indicate whether any of the honored officers were among the several involved in Tuesday's incident.



:falls over:

[demagogic_schizoid]

I watched for a minute and the camera-work was very shoddy with some horrible audio, so I gave up. Did it get better?

[Xander]

The question is what the hell is soooo dangerous in that library that they had to get him out NOW ?

My god is it really considered that dangerous when someone in America is found in the possession of knowledge?

The cops should lose more than thier badges. How about their personal freedom for up to 20 years of whatever it is for GBH and attempting to incite a riot.

Hmmn perhaps the officers were actually poor innocents and are just sooo stressed by their jobs that they blew up? Perhaps they should remove them from duty and submit them for therapy. Electro shock treatment would seem appropriate for thier condition.

[Melody]

im not worried about what is right or wrong here. what i love is that it was caught on tape and is available on youtube, which goes back to what i was saying before about a sort of transparency -- a check on corruption -- that these online video sites will promote globally. this is just one of the first moments in this sort of thing

[FranG]

im not worried about what is right or wrong here. what i love is that it was caught on tape and is available on youtube, which goes back to what i was saying before about a sort of transparency -- a check on corruption -- that these online video sites will promote globally. this is just one of the first moments in this sort of thing

Not for long though. The internet will be replaced with internet2 (http://www.internet2.edu/) soon which will be intensely regulated by the American and other governments. They will have a priority system which allocates more bandwidth to big corporations. Smaller sites that don't generate any money will have total crap service. The new internet will no longer be free market. Also, YouTube has been brought by Google. These video companies ain't go be trying to buck the system like that. They're gonna go along with the program.

[macr0]

Not for long though. The internet will be replaced with internet2 (http://www.internet2.edu/) soon which will be intensely regulated by the American and other governments. They will have a priority system which allocates more bandwidth to big corporations. Smaller sites that don't generate any money will have total crap service. The new internet will no longer be free market. Also, YouTube has been brought by Google. These video companies ain't go be trying to buck the system like that. They're gonna go along with the program.

You fuckard! You make me want to cry!

:cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry::cry:

[demagogic_schizoid]

im not worried about what is right or wrong here. what i love is that it was caught on tape and is available on youtube, which goes back to what i was saying before about a sort of transparency -- a check on corruption -- that these online video sites will promote globally. this is just one of the first moments in this sort of thing

except for high level corruption involving billions of dollars. I can't see people planning those things in the middle of busy libraries.

[inspectorgadget]

Not for long though. The internet will be replaced with internet2 (http://www.internet2.edu/) soon which will be intensely regulated by the American and other governments. They will have a priority system which allocates more bandwidth to big corporations. Smaller sites that don't generate any money will have total crap service. The new internet will no longer be free market. Also, YouTube has been brought by Google. These video companies ain't go be trying to buck the system like that. They're gonna go along with the program.

I don't intend on letting those idiots get away with getting rid of Net Neutrality. Ted Stevens is already losing his job, so - from the looks of it, it ain't gonna happen. It won't be hard to convince people it's a really stupid idea to lose Net Neutrality. Just explain it in the exact way that you just did, to everyone you know and people will listen..

I find it appalling that you think that they will get away with it. If you think that's the case, get off your ass and go do something about it.

[inspectorgadget]

ALSO, google, other than its compliance with the chinese government, has proven to be a very trustworthy corporation mindful of the government... when all those search engines were providing information to the Government, who refused? GOOGLE.

Google pwnz.

[inspectorgadget]

I also don't think you have a very good understanding of what internet2 is and that you ought to do a bit more research. It actually is a lot of ground breaking stuff. The whole point of internet2 is to provide faster connections for the quick transmission of large amounts of data... it's already on most college campuses, and you can connect right to if you're plugged in.

College students have been using it for file sharing and stuff, but the RIAA has cracked down on it recently... at any rate, internet2 really has nothing to do with the Net Neutrality issue..

[PlayerOfGames]

God. I would have tazed him a couple of extra times just for the whining and preaching.




yeah, it kind of makes you wonder if he was testing them.


I hope you guys live to fully enjoy the society you're helping to create.

[ApeTheDog]

The cops did it because their authority was on the line. For a police officer, their authority is the most important thing there is. If they say: "move", and the other person doesn't, their authority is broken. Thus, they use tazers to make him move. Anything to keep their face.

Understandable, though, because for a police officer, their face/authority is their life.

The guy being tazered was a moron. If you have a problem, don't try to argue with the footmen. Argue with the big guys, or don't at all. Nothing could be gained by winning against these police officers. They're not politicians. They don't make up the code.

The only thing that, indeed, he could gain out of a confrontation with these police officers, was getting abused. So, really, he should be grateful.

[Melody]

except for high level corruption involving billions of dollars. I can't see people planning those things in the middle of busy libraries.right, and that gets into other ways of disseminating information and promoting discussion, such as documentaries and stuff like that

from the conspiracies thread:


something i'm excited about recently is Google Video, which makes all these conspiracy videos (and ideas in general) easy to encounter. regardless of the specific messages, the mere fact that so many ppl are able to have more of a "debate" so freely is awesome

for example, i feel things would have progressed much differently if google video was available around 9/11. the anonymity, combined w/ google's shunning of political tampering, would have allowed many ppl their say via video, entirely bypassing traditional news sources (whose nutsacks may be tightly held by corruptive organizations,) and the groupthink blanket of mourning would have been folded up and stored much earlier

in this sense google video to me seems like a democratic arbiter of sorts... a hero... and i feel its effect on the progress of things will be as drastic as the search engine itself has been. as ive stated elsewhere, im especially interested in education, eg lectures and whatnot. Google Video is very young, and prolly wouldnt be out yet if it wasnt for youtube, but i have high hopes for it. go google :)

[AcidGoethe]

This is fucking horrible, it disgusts me... The way the guy is screaming is just awful. Really really bad. Fucking assholes abusing their power.

The way everyone stays there watching without doing anything is the worst... wimps.

[joft]

i'm quite glad he did what he did and i applaud him. i only hope things like this happen more often and get captured on video. i want people to realize that this whole idea of certain people having power over other people always leads to dehumanization

[Deckard]

The only thing that, indeed, he could gain out of a confrontation with these police officers, was getting abused. So, really, he should be grateful.
I think you're missing the big picture. What he gained from the confrontation, whether it was his intention or not, was to draw a whole lot of attention to the needless brutality of the kind those police were dealing out. If anyone's a moron here it's the police, for abusing their power like that in such a public place.

[demagogic_schizoid]

I think you're missing the big picture. What he gained from the confrontation, whether it was his intention or not, was to draw a whole lot of attention to the needless brutality of the kind those police were dealing out. If anyone's a moron here it's the police, for abusing their power like that in such a public place.

I agree. Also I would like to add that that there is such a thing as human rights: you can't be physically assaulted in public simply for being a moron. The police are there to use reasonable force to uphold the law, not to hand out beatings to uppity kids who they judge to be morons.

[formerly known as]

God. I would have tazed him a couple of extra times just for the whining and preaching.

I'm not sure whether you are trolling, or if you are serious.

The fact is, the police did not need to respond with such force. Sure, the kid was a blatant trouble maker and provoked them, but the correct procedure would be to simply grab him and drag him out - kicking or screaming, or not. They had enough officers to do so - that is exactly what they would have done so, if they did not have tasers. The fact that they responded with such force and especially the subsequent shocks, just goes to show how bad the decisions of those police officers really were.
The kid was not putting up much of a fight, and once you've had 50,000v sent through your body, its unlikely that you will be able to stand up very easily, whether you want to or not. Tasers are not completely risk free either and multiple shocks do not help.

I hope the kid gets a good lawyer. I'm sure that footage will be quite useful in the court case...

[joft]

another incident of law enforcement awesomeness

http://ezraklein.typepad.com/blog/2006/11/heres_what_clas.html

[Sackanaka]

I gotta wonder, would it really have destroyed his moral fibers to quietly apologize and come back with his ID like every other student?

Right, right, that's not the issue. Sorry.



Wait, police brutality happens? And groupthink occurs? And they're individuals in the trial, but bunchacrunch across the nation? And nonlethal weaponry isn't acceptable in all situations, or simply isn't?

Shit, gotta stop rambling. Sorry.


edit: I just realized, in elementary school they told me you can make a difference, but it always ends up being a "little steps" solution. Then again, we didn't have pop viral videos online. *sits and waits with everyone*

[airjaw]

Sickening. I would have thrown a damn fit if I was being unnecessarily tazed too. The police made a huge mistake in this situation by escalating a situation into violence which could have been handled peacefully - they just didn't have the patience, understanding, or training to do so.

[Xander]

Besides the fact that these officers were morons, is this indicative of perhaps the need to remove non-lethal weapons such as these from the officers hands?

I say that at the minimum these kind of weapons should require the officer to have an unimpeachable record.

It would appear that in all police forces the temptation to become sadistic is very real and that these weapons being "non-lethal" and so much easier to employ than trying anything else. So are we going to end up with a bunch of well armed bullies or do you think that at some stage brains will be required in police forces?

[MacGuffin]

New INTPc Rule:

ALL WHINERS WILL BE TAZED.

[Xander]

New INTPc Rule:

ALL WHINERS WILL BE TAZED.
Screw that.

You know that whiners piss all over the forum. If you taze them then they'll have even worse bladder control!!

[MacGuffin]

Screw that.
WATCH IT!

http://www.thamesvalley.police.uk/news_info/departments/taser/images/taser.jpg

[Fingers]

Fuck The Police!

[Xander]

WATCH IT!

http://www.thamesvalley.police.uk/news_info/departments/taser/images/taser.jpg
Now come on. Your supposed to do it in INTP fashion. I should have hours to run away whilst you debate the moral implications of easily accesible means of causing pain to a target with little chance of lasting apparent physical damage. Hell by the time you've written the thread title I'd be round the corner at least.

:D

[formerly known as]

New INTPc Rule:

ALL WHINERS WILL BE TAZED.

LOL

The funny part is, you'd probably be first!

[MacGuffin]

LOL

The funny part is, you'd probably be first!
Way to put yourself on my radar, Mr. 11 Posts!










...only it's not 11, is it?