View Full Version : Kramer goes racist!
MacGuffin
20 Nov 2006, 05:22 PM
Better invoke the Mel Gibson defense!
The camera started rolling just as Richards began his attack, screaming at one of the men, "Fifty years ago we'd have you upside down with a f***ing fork up your ass."
Richards continued, "You can talk, you can talk, you're brave now motherf**ker. Throw his ass out. He's a nigger! He's a nigger! He's a nigger! A nigger, look, there's a nigger!"
The crowd is visibly and audibly confused and upset. Richards responds by saying, "They're going to arrest me for calling a black man a nigger."
Link to story and video (http://www.tmz.com/2006/11/20/kramers-racist-tirade-caught-on-tape/).
nottaprettygal
20 Nov 2006, 05:32 PM
I think the crowd laughed for entirely too long.
I still can't tell if Kramer was initially trying to be funny with his jokes. Meh.
MacGuffin
20 Nov 2006, 05:35 PM
I think the crowd laughed for entirely too long.
I still can't tell if Kramer was initially trying to be funny with his jokes. Meh.
Off-topic, but I can totally see this happening:
Jesus: I have come back to deliver you all into heaven! Eternal life!
NPG: Meh.
sasapurdue
20 Nov 2006, 05:36 PM
Now we can just sit and wait for the forced, insincere apology delivered through his publicist. I hate those. They are so meaningless!
omnirook
20 Nov 2006, 05:40 PM
Better invoke the Mel Gibson defense!
Link to story and video (http://www.tmz.com/2006/11/20/kramers-racist-tirade-caught-on-tape/).
Some people just don't understand that "freedom of speech" is itself a joke. Any celebrity that does not understand that he/she cannot say some things deserves whatever he/she gets in terms of disapproval and resultant loss of fame and income. Yeah, a black comic can make all sorts of fun of white people - down to and including the worst insults. A white comic who makes fun of black people and insults them is in for HELL. Is that fair? It depends upon whom you ask. Doesn't matter - that's the way that it is. So, "Kramer" is going to pay. He made enough off Seinfeld; he won't starve. Lucky him!
nottaprettygal
20 Nov 2006, 05:42 PM
Off-topic, but I can totally see this happening:
Jesus: I have come back to deliver you all into heaven! Eternal life!
NPG: Meh.
I think my response would be more like: Meh. You look sexier in pictures, especially that one with you and the cross.
On topic though, I'm pretty disgusted that people would go to see Michael Richards do stand-up in the first place. Seinfeld has been over for waaay to long for him to do nothing and still be famous.
omnirook
20 Nov 2006, 05:43 PM
Now we can just sit and wait for the forced, insincere apology delivered through his publicist. I hate those. They are so meaningless!
The best of the worst of those was Howard Stern "appologizing" in very poorly accented Spanish for having insulted the "memory of Selena." Why anyone was offended remains a mystery: "I never cared for her music" apparantly translates into "I wish that somebody had hatchet-murdered the bitch years ago!"
MacGuffin
20 Nov 2006, 05:44 PM
I think my response would be more like: Meh. You look sexier in pictures, especially that one with you and the cross.
On topic though, I'm pretty disgusted that people would go to see Michael Richards do stand-up in the first place. Seinfeld has been over for waaay to long for him to do nothing and still be famous.
You want to screw Jesus?
Michael Richards had it easy. The screwy supporting character is far easier to pull off than what Seinfeld did. Even if he was really good at it.
On topic though, I'm pretty disgusted that people would go to see Michael Richards do stand-up in the first place. Seinfeld has been over for waaay to long for him to do nothing and still be famous.
Explain William Shatner.
nottaprettygal
20 Nov 2006, 05:46 PM
Yeah, a black comic can make all sorts of fun of white people - down to and including the worst insults. A white comic who makes fun of black people and insults them is in for HELL. Is that fair?
Oh Jesus, you're not going there are you? This isn't about what black people are allowed to say and what white people are allowed to say. Although I can't stand racial humor, there's a bit of a difference between a racial insult for the sake of humor and one that is just stated with absolutely no purpose.
omnirook
20 Nov 2006, 05:47 PM
Explain William Shatner.
Klingon: Kirk may be a swaggering, tin-plated dictator w/delusions of godhood, but he is not soft!
Leftfield
20 Nov 2006, 05:48 PM
He is all washed up, that was hilarious... Anything Cosmo Kramer did outside of Seinfeld was nothing (which is why he is still refered to as "Kramer from Seinfeld") and he is trying to promote some comedic niche image that really didn't work and backfired with the black audience, whom spoke the logical truth.
Freedom of speech is fine, but you will get rejected big time if you spew it the way he did so nonchalantly as if it were 100% socially acceptable... at least whenever Carlin or any other world-class comedian uses it, he finds the right context and/or tone of voice, this was just what I would refer to as, the "ramblings of my naive grandparents", whom grew up where inequality existed.
Michael Richards is the only original 4 cast member from Seinfeld that hasn't done anything significant outside of the show... good stuff... next time I watch Seinfeld I will laugh a little bit more now. Thank you Internet, nice post MacG.
MacGuffin
20 Nov 2006, 05:48 PM
Explain William Shatner.
I don't watch Boston Legal, but I've heard his work described as at least above average.
nottaprettygal
20 Nov 2006, 05:49 PM
Explain William Shatner.
Aww. He's old and cute. Kramer is not.
You want to screw Jesus?
Of course. One might even say nail him. Ha!
Okay. No more Jesus humor.
charred_heart
20 Nov 2006, 05:49 PM
kramer! wtf!!!
I don't watch Boston Legal, but I've heard his work described as at least above average.
I guess you could say this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fc2Y1IkJwCU) is above average, too.
MacGuffin
20 Nov 2006, 05:52 PM
I guess you could say this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fc2Y1IkJwCU) is above average, too.
That is just Classic.
omnirook
20 Nov 2006, 05:53 PM
Oh Jesus, you're not going there are you? This isn't about what black people are allowed to say and what white people are allowed to say. Although I can't stand racial humor, there's a bit of a difference between a racial insult for the sake of humor and one that is just stated with absolutely no purpose.
I'm not going anywhere: that's just the way that it is. Richards had all sorts of ways to handle that situation w/o ever having mentioned race.
nottaprettygal
20 Nov 2006, 05:55 PM
I'm not going anywhere: that's just the way that it is. Richards had all sorts of ways to handle that situation w/o ever having mentioned race.
Exactly. He could have tried to tell jokes that were actually funny. I assume that he was bombing big time, so he just moved on to yelling at people.
Deckard
20 Nov 2006, 05:56 PM
I don't watch Boston Legal, but I've heard his work described as at least above average.
I watch Boston Legal and i can tell you that William Shatner still has it. Rhu, you don't diss Shatner. He is better than you.
That is just Classic.
Watching it at work and suppressing laughter is hard. I have no idea how the audience managed it.
omnirook
20 Nov 2006, 06:00 PM
I guess you could say this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fc2Y1IkJwCU) is above average, too.
No - I wouldn't use either the word "above" or the word "average" to describe that - it is - in a class all by itself! I'd have to break w/a habit that is 21 years old: I'd have to have a drink - probably several - to sit through that whole performance w/o wincing.
Deckard
20 Nov 2006, 06:00 PM
Link to story and video (http://www.tmz.com/2006/11/20/kramers-racist-tirade-caught-on-tape/).
Oh and i love that article. Unbiased, objective reporting at its finest!
Who's worse?
Michael Richards
Mel Gibson
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.tmz.com/media/2006/11/photo_gallery_200x200.jpg
bergenski
20 Nov 2006, 06:03 PM
I am unable to view the video, but I would think being heckled while you are trying to perform would lead you to burst out in anger and say things you may know is wrong.
I'd have to have a drink - probably several - to sit through that whole performance w/o wincing.
That's because you don't know how to rock it, man.
inspectorgadget
20 Nov 2006, 07:38 PM
I useda love michael richards... this sux. So disappointing.
What an asshole.
sasapurdue
20 Nov 2006, 07:40 PM
Oh and i love that article. Unbiased, objective reporting at its finest!
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.tmz.com/media/2006/11/photo_gallery_200x200.jpg
that picture of Mel the freaking clown Gibson is hilarious.
FranG
20 Nov 2006, 11:37 PM
Kramer was bogous for those comments. I don't mind racial kokes personally; if you talk about black people having big lips or something, I'll even laugh (although my peeps will be ready to fight). But he wasn't cracking jokes; per the report he was flat out insulting the guy using racial slurs. He lucky they didn't rush the stage cause black people are sensitive about that kind of stuff.
nottaprettygal
20 Nov 2006, 11:40 PM
He lucky they didn't rush the stage cause black people are sensitive about that kind of stuff.
Yeah. Black people usually carry guns as well. So, he was also lucky in that aspect.
FranG
20 Nov 2006, 11:45 PM
Yeah. Black people usually carry guns as well. So, he was also lucky in that aspect.
Only some of us sweetheart. Even if they did though, he wouldna got shot. They would have just whipped his ass.
nottaprettygal
20 Nov 2006, 11:49 PM
Only some of us sweetheart. Even if they did though, he wouldna got shot. They would have just whipped his ass.
Ha. Yeah. Heh. Black people are violent.
FranG
21 Nov 2006, 12:08 AM
^^^^^^^
Are you scared of us?
nottaprettygal
21 Nov 2006, 12:13 AM
^^^^^^^
Are you scared of us?
Totally. Shouldn't I be?
Deckard
21 Nov 2006, 12:14 AM
Ha. Yeah. Heh. Black people are violent.
I hear they're allowed to ride on buses with normal folk nowadays. :o
MacGuffin
21 Nov 2006, 12:15 AM
I hear they're allowed to ride on buses with normal folk nowadays. :o
WHAT?!??
Google Monster
21 Nov 2006, 12:16 AM
hehe. oh man, lol.
Arcturus
21 Nov 2006, 12:17 AM
I hear they're allowed to ride on buses with normal folk nowadays. :o
When did that happen?
Arcturus
21 Nov 2006, 12:23 AM
Well I can't get the video to play either. Hmmm...
Michael Richards is the only original 4 cast member from Seinfeld that hasn't done anything significant outside of the show
I don't know. Jason Alexander and whats-her-name really haven't had sterling careers outside of the show, either. And of course Seinfeld himself was always just a standup comedian.
C.J.Woolf
21 Nov 2006, 02:07 AM
Explain William Shatner.
He's the exception that proves the rule. Leonard Nimoy, James Doohan, DeForest Kelley, George Takei, and Nichelle Nicholls are the rule.
FranG
21 Nov 2006, 02:20 AM
Ha. Yeah. Heh. Black people are violent.
^^^^^^^
Are you scared of us?
Totally. Shouldn't I be?
Yep!
BOO!!
:horror: :horror: :horror: :horror:
Serotonin
21 Nov 2006, 02:38 AM
Some people just don't understand that "freedom of speech" is itself a joke. Any celebrity that does not understand that he/she cannot say some things deserves whatever he/she gets in terms of disapproval and resultant loss of fame and income.
Well.......that's the whole point of freedom of speech. The only thing you're protected from is getting locked up or punished by the state. Beyond that you still have responsibility for your own actions. I assumed that was inherent in the definition?
mr. treat
21 Nov 2006, 02:58 AM
i don't see much difference between his actions and the hecklers actions. there is no degree of severity associated with being an idiot.
Sackanaka
21 Nov 2006, 03:03 AM
Never did have a thing for excitable angry comedians or the Seinfeld show.
I did like the youtube link that Rhu gave because I could compare it to the Stewie rendition. Yay!
omnirook
21 Nov 2006, 12:17 PM
Well.......that's the whole point of freedom of speech. The only thing you're protected from is getting locked up or punished by the state. Beyond that you still have responsibility for your own actions. I assumed that was inherent in the definition?
What the Founding Fathers intended and what we got are 2 different things. From the get, this, that, or the other interest has worked to impose this, that, or the other restriction on freedom of expression - yes, the SC, in some of its liberal phases, has expanded "speech" to encompass other forms of expression. Every possible "back door" that anyone who wanted censorship could think of has been proposed - along w/the suggestion that the state use its power to impose and regulate and punish. Naturally - given the Puritan streak in American culture - "obscenity" and "pornography" have been very common routes to silencing what some did not wish to hear. The Lenny Bruce case is infamous - but his was hardly the only case.
Hollywood suffered for decades under the Hays Commission's petty and downright ridiculous rules: if a man and a woman were to be shown either seated or lying down on a piece of furniture, then that their feet were touching the floor must be clearly shown! - that and dozens of other "restrictions" were enforced w/o even cracking a smile at the ludicrous nature of the whole thing. So, in those more "innocent" times, Laurel and Hardy could be shown snuggled up comfy in a single bed, but Clark Gable had to have his feet on the floor w/a clear separation between his side of the bed and Claudette Colbert's side of the bed. How silly! Claudette Colbert was a lesbian, after all. Howard Hughes had to employ a mathematician to show that the amount of cleavage shown in his pictures was not more than was shown in other pictures! His leading lady - Jane Russell - was just physically bigger than Joan Crawford, so it seemed that more boob "lift and separation" were apparent, when, in fact, no higher a percentage of her "mammeries" was being shown! The GOVERNMENT spent OUR money on that! - for our own good, of course. A film historian can take you on a "tour" of this horseshit and have you rolling on the ground laughing at it - but it was deadly serious for years. Young women and gay men were in heaven because none of the stodgy straight men on the Hays Commission ever noticed that the leading men had their trousers cut to show off their goods - but let the slightest hint of a boob be shown, and the Hays men were all over it.
Again and again, people have tried to use the state and its power to control what others were saying and showing and doing - trying to "decide" what was in the "interests" of the people to hear and see. There is not now, there never has been, and there never will be one person on the whole planet who is good enough to decide what others should see or hear. Period.
Evidently he apologized on Letterman (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20061121.wrichards1121/BNStory/Entertainment/home) last night.
stopharian
21 Nov 2006, 02:03 PM
what giant accomplishments has Seinfeld made since he was on Seinfeld?
dubbeltop
21 Nov 2006, 02:38 PM
To insult a person based on his skin color with the remarks mr . dick fuck made is just another example of white people misperceptions of their 'arian' supremacy...
The problems of mr. dick fuck are that he lost his ticket to fame and fortune , landed on his big white ass and now HAS to work for a living selling jokes on a stage to somewhat dubious clientele because thats the way america works....
maybe Andy Warhole was right after all.....
What?s great about this country is that America started the tradition where the richest consumers buy essentially the same things as the poorest. You can be watching TV and see Coca-Cola, and you know that the President drinks Coke, Liz Taylor drinks Coke, and just think, you can drink Coke, too. A Coke is a Coke and no amount of money can get you a better Coke than the one the bum on the corner is drinking. All the Cokes are the same and all the Cokes are good. Liz Taylor knows it, the President knows it, the bum knows it, and you know it..
This quote is typical of Warhol's deadpan commentary, and critics still argue about how seriously to take his various statements
(source: http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Andy_Warhol)
and for the soup nazis !!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aryan_race
omnirook
21 Nov 2006, 08:32 PM
To insult a person based on his skin color with the remarks mr . dick fuck made is just another example of white people misperceptions of their 'arian' supremacy...
The problems of mr. dick fuck are that he lost his ticket to fame and fortune , landed on his big white ass and now HAS to work for a living selling jokes on a stage to somewhat dubious clientele because thats the way america works....
maybe Andy Warhole was right after all.....
What?s great about this country is that America started the tradition where the richest consumers buy essentially the same things as the poorest. You can be watching TV and see Coca-Cola, and you know that the President drinks Coke, Liz Taylor drinks Coke, and just think, you can drink Coke, too. A Coke is a Coke and no amount of money can get you a better Coke than the one the bum on the corner is drinking. All the Cokes are the same and all the Cokes are good. Liz Taylor knows it, the President knows it, the bum knows it, and you know it..
This quote is typical of Warhol's deadpan commentary, and critics still argue about how seriously to take his various statements
(source: http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Andy_Warhol)
and for the soup nazis !!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aryan_race
I don't think that "Kramer" has to work for a living - if he does, then he needs to sue whoever was managing the giant sums that he was making on "Seinfeld" - if he lost the money himself, he should enter an insanity plea, and use that to get a bankruptcy pushed through and get himself off for his remarks. Richards is loaded - or should be. The residuals alone are worth tens of millions per year - or were before he soiled the whole "Seinfeld" ensemble w/his show of terrific bad taste. Jerry probably shit himself w/glee that his more than a quarter of a billion dollars are safe and that it doesn't matter a damn if "Seinfeld" tanks in syndication because of Richards' remarks. Neither he nor any of the other "Seinfeld" alums should ever need to clip coupons and turn the heat down in winter so long as they live ... Me, I would have retired and found something else to do - "Kramer" needs to be a star and wants the love for his comic "genius" to last forever ... Henry Winkler I admire: he rode Fonzi to the bitter end, then rode off into the sunset w/his mountain of money - and in a vehicle, instead of on one - and has only done what he has wanted to do ever since. DiCaprio is another one - he'll never top his soppy love story on a big boat, and he knows that - and he also knows that he was so rich before his 30th birthday that he can afford to make only the pictures that he wants to make for the rest of his life. Some people know what to do w/fame and fortune. Others crash and burn, ah, well ...
cafe
21 Nov 2006, 08:39 PM
No - I wouldn't use either the word "above" or the word "average" to describe that - it is - in a class all by itself! I'd have to break w/a habit that is 21 years old: I'd have to have a drink - probably several - to sit through that whole performance w/o wincing.
No doubt. Talk about dumb-chills.
Carebear
21 Nov 2006, 09:38 PM
Well I can't get the video to play either. Hmmm...
This one (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-zXtEpMric)works. (It's a remix.)
He's the exception that proves the rule. Leonard Nimoy, James Doohan, DeForest Kelley, George Takei, and Nichelle Nicholls are the rule.
Leonard Nimoy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kmBxYstczQ)is the rule? It's worse than I though.
omnirook
21 Nov 2006, 10:40 PM
Leonard Nimoy (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kmBxYstczQ)is the rule? It's worse than I though.
It's still better than Shatner sucking on a cigarette as though it were a joint while doing his "interpretation" of an Elton John/Bernie Taupin song!
If you ever get a chance to hear it, it's wonderful: Mae West doing The Doors' "Light My Fire." By the time that West cut that record, she was so old that she should not have been anywhere near an open flame - she was kindling in lame!
Birdsnest
21 Nov 2006, 10:44 PM
That website has Mel Gibson looking like he's a possessed Demon:
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.tmz.com/media/2006/11/photo_gallery_200x200.jpg
I just now heard about this Kramer thing at work.
MacGuffin
21 Nov 2006, 10:52 PM
I just now heard about this Kramer thing at work.INTPc is all you need.
FranG
21 Nov 2006, 11:04 PM
I'm just now seeing the unedited video of Kramer. That Seinfield introduction was classic by the poster lol.
But on a serious note, Kramer's lucky he was in Hollywood.
Intension
21 Nov 2006, 11:39 PM
He should have said hecklers are the kind of people who get sent to Iraq.
macr0
22 Nov 2006, 12:09 AM
There is no racial bigotry here. I do not look down on niggers, kikes, whops or greasers! Here you are all equally worthless.
ApeTheDog
22 Nov 2006, 11:48 AM
I don't think he's a racist. He's just incredibly bad at stand-up comedy, and nobody gets he is joking.
what giant accomplishments has Seinfeld made since he was on Seinfeld?
He wrote a movie about bees that is about to come out. And, well, he wrote the entire seinfeld thing, too - the others were just acting in it.
Intension
22 Nov 2006, 12:32 PM
I don't think he's a racist. He's just incredibly bad at stand-up comedy, and nobody gets he is joking.
He wrote a movie about bees that is about to come out. And, well, he wrote the entire seinfeld thing, too - the others were just acting in it.
Yup Larry David was only there to do his Steinbrenner impression.<_<
Arcturus
22 Nov 2006, 04:07 PM
Didn't Jason Alexander write a fair amount, too?
FranG
22 Nov 2006, 06:27 PM
Kramer's Reply (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqF2FZJdIl4) on Letterman; Full Length
Intension
23 Nov 2006, 02:16 AM
Didn't Jason Alexander write a fair amount, too?
I always thought it was David and Seinfeld who did the writing, at least until David left. Jason Alexander no doubt was busy writing KFC commercials, which would become a gold mine for him after the show ended.
Kramer's Reply on Letterman; Full Length
To his credit, that was more raw than the scripted pseudo-apologies you get from other celebrities ("I'm sorry for anyone who was offended!" "I have black friends!"). Trouble is, it sounds like he is a racist. He could have gone the "botched joke" route and said he was doing a parody of a racist that just got out of control. Instead he admitted to genuine hate and rage... and still tells us he's not a racist. What's "buried beneath" indeed.
Arcturus
26 Nov 2006, 01:01 AM
More to the story, albeit one-sided:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATWTKhmNWBU
By the way, don't you just hate lawyers?
Google Monster
26 Nov 2006, 01:25 AM
Lol, those two dudes are bitches. yeah, Richards should pay them for all the pain he caused those poor victims.
Faust06
26 Nov 2006, 03:32 AM
Yeah, that's pretty pathetic. Even if he did, I could just imagine them turning around and saying "no, we haven't forgiven him.. he just paid us off, the racist".
Oculus Sinister
26 Nov 2006, 03:45 AM
I have an idea about the whole thing. My friend said he saw Richards on Letterman and that he is really just this boring guy that lives inside of books. Perhaps, Richards is slightly schizo and he uses his quirky thinking to play different roles as an escape.
His blowing up at those guys was completely irrational. It takes a lot of bottled up rage and madness to release like that on some hecklers. Especially, a professional comedian; he should of had more self control. But I want to give him the benefit of the doubt because the anger level was over the top and there has to be a reason for that.
The crappy part is the media will run it into the ground until Kramer is the ultimate aryan, anti-semite, neo-nazi racist. But, I do think what he said was wrong and that he deserves what he gets in his position due to the outburst. Plus, that word is so stupid and has caused so much turmoil among so many people. It would be nice is there was a collective unconscious word vacuum for words like that.
omnirook
26 Nov 2006, 06:23 AM
I have an idea about the whole thing. My friend said he saw Richards on Letterman and that he is really just this boring guy that lives inside of books. Perhaps, Richards is slightly schizo and he uses his quirky thinking to play different roles as an escape.
His blowing up at those guys was completely irrational. It takes a lot of bottled up rage and madness to release like that on some hecklers. Especially, a professional comedian; he should of had more self control. But I want to give him the benefit of the doubt because the anger level was over the top and there has to be a reason for that.
The crappy part is the media will run it into the ground until Kramer is the ultimate aryan, anti-semite, neo-nazi racist. But, I do think what he said was wrong and that he deserves what he gets in his position due to the outburst. Plus, that word is so stupid and has caused so much turmoil among so many people. It would be nice is there was a collective unconscious word vacuum for words like that.
Richards is, I believe, a Jew - an unlikely anti-semite, an even less likely hero for the "aryan" "brotherhood." I could be wrong, but I vaguely remember that a joke was made in the early days of Seinfeld: the show was tagged "3 Jews and a shiksah" - the shiksah (non-Jewish female) being Julia Dreyfus, of course, and the 3 Jews being Seinfeld himself, Jason Alexander, and Michael Richards. Is Richards Jewish? - does anyone know?
Ymir
26 Nov 2006, 10:06 PM
I guess i fail to see what a big deal this is. So he behaved like an idiot, so what? Are people really hurt because some has been comedian used the forbidden word? People that act offended and hurt are in my opinion bigger idiots. He shouldn't apologize publicly because he has only achieved making an idiot of himself. People are way to sensitive when it comes to these things.
Carebear
27 Nov 2006, 12:11 AM
Is Richards Jewish? - does anyone know?
From Wikipedia:
On 22 November 2006, reports surfaced that Richards had made remarks about Jews during a stand-up routine in April 2006 that could be regarded as anti-semitic. Richards called a heckler a "fucking Jew" and said "You people are the cause of Jesus dying."[2] The publicist Richards hired after fallout from his comments, Howard Rubenstein, confirmed the report, but added that the remarks were made as part of the comedy act, and stated that Richards is Jewish.[18]
So yes. And I imagine he's just insulting hecklers in the way he thinks will hurt the most. You don't have to be racist to know that a Jew will hate the "killed Jesus" routine or that a african-american will hate the N-word and the "only a few generations ago, we knew how to deal with you people"-routine.
Dangerous tactic, had to blow up in his face at some point. Biggest problem: He isn't very funny.
demagogic_schizoid
27 Nov 2006, 01:57 AM
From Wikipedia:
So yes. And I imagine he's just insulting hecklers in the way he thinks will hurt the most. You don't have to be racist to know that a Jew will hate the "killed Jesus" routine or that a african-american will hate the N-word and the "only a few generations ago, we knew how to deal with you people"-routine.
I don't buy that "hurts the most" routine. To me, something like this can't be calculated...if I insult someone for being fat, for example, it really comes down to the fact that within me, I think it is worse to be fat than to be of a normal weight. If you are isnulting someone for being black or being a Jew, it betrays a deeper prejudice that these attributes make a person less worthy than someone else, IMO (even if you are black or Jewish - plenty of people consider themselves inferior to others). This rant was clearly not calculated in any case, look how angry he is.
Carebear
27 Nov 2006, 02:11 AM
I don't buy that "hurts the most" routine. To me, something like this can't be calculated...if I insult someone for being fat, for example, it really comes down to the fact that within me, I think it is worse to be fat than to be of a normal weight. If you are isnulting someone for being black or being a Jew, it betrays a deeper prejudice that these attributes make a person less worthy than someone else, IMO (even if you are black or Jewish - plenty of people consider themselves inferior to others). This rant was clearly not calculated in any case, look how angry he is.
Hm. You're probably right. Guess I'm just trying to give him the benefit of doubt. Maybe at least he wasn't aware of his own deeper prejudice.
What you say makes sense, though.
Intension
27 Nov 2006, 02:15 AM
From Wikipedia:
So yes. And I imagine he's just insulting hecklers in the way he thinks will hurt the most. You don't have to be racist to know that a Jew will hate the "killed Jesus" routine or that a african-american will hate the N-word and the "only a few generations ago, we knew how to deal with you people"-routine.
The next sentence, however, reads:
The Jewish Journal of Greater Los Angeles, citing anonymous sources said to be familiar with Richards including a television director who is said to have worked with Richards for several years, has claimed that Richards is not Jewish and was raised a Catholic.
So I don't know. Of course, having a Jewish ancestry does not necessarily (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Burros) exclude one from being an anti-Semite, anyway.
Jennywocky
27 Nov 2006, 02:19 AM
The best of the worst of those was Howard Stern "appologizing" in very poorly accented Spanish for having insulted the "memory of Selena." Why anyone was offended remains a mystery: "I never cared for her music" apparantly translates into "I wish that somebody had hatchet-murdered the bitch years ago!"
Yeah, if I would have known Spanish was that dangerous of a language when it came to translation, I would have taken French.
ajblaise
30 Nov 2006, 07:30 PM
Kramer's new rap song, released on Panzerfaust Records.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COqbxjOJCCA&NR
Carebear
30 Nov 2006, 10:43 PM
Kramer's new rap song, released on Panzerfaust Records.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COqbxjOJCCA&NR
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
FranG
30 Nov 2006, 10:54 PM
This one is better
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IE0QXceVyqY&mode=related&search= (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IE0QXceVyqY&mode=related&search=)
Carebear
30 Nov 2006, 11:38 PM
Seinfeld: The lost episode
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WShMGJMc9fc
Apology spoof:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjY0THJNCII&search=michael%20richards%20Kramer%20Apology%20racist
aether
1 Dec 2006, 01:24 AM
Marketing ploy.
Carebear
1 Dec 2006, 01:34 AM
Marketing ploy.
Should make it to Guinnes' Book of Records for most desperate marketing ploy ever then.
Google Monster
1 Dec 2006, 01:40 AM
How many knew his name was Michael Richards before this? I didn't.
aether
1 Dec 2006, 01:44 AM
Should make it to Guinnes' Book of Records for most desperate marketing ploy ever then.
How many knew his name was Michael Richards before this? I didn't.
Maybe this was his way of seperating himself from the "Kramer" persona.
Google Monster
1 Dec 2006, 01:47 AM
There's still hope for him yet!! This guy made a comeback (http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0837156/).
FranG
1 Dec 2006, 06:57 AM
Seinfeld: The lost episode
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WShMGJMc9fc
=)) =)) =))
In...TP
1 Dec 2006, 08:09 AM
Strom Thurman and Jesse Jackson.
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