INTP noble prize for the greatest achievement

[Aryan]

Well what can be the greatest INTP achievement -

E = mc^2 ?

a very stubborn and short formula that changed the world (for better or for worse :rant: )

Does does Einstein the INTP take the prize or ... ? :)

[daughterofeve]

Leonardo DaVinci!!!

The Helicopter! 8O

..or the bicycle :whistle:

[melancholeric]

Whoever invented automatically flushing toilets.

[Claverhouse]

Doubt ?


Anyway, slightly disappointing to have the biggest way of killing millions of your fellow-creatures up at the top.


Claverhouse

[hemanthraz]

Not einstein. He was a genius all right, but hey. i can think of so many others who have done so much more to better our lives.

[Arcael]

Doubt ?


Anyway, slightly disappointing to have the biggest way of killing millions of your fellow-creatures up at the top.


Claverhouse
I don't think he meant it for that purpose, in the same it is used to power millions of homes.

[anarchist]

Not einstein. He was a genius all right, but hey. i can think of so many others who have done so much more to better our lives.
But aren't we talking about INTP scientists here? I doubt there has been a scientist more intuitive than Einstein...All the ingredients for a new world order was availble before he came on the scene..through the works of Poincare,Lorentz and Maxwell...But nobody had been able to take that giant step that would have made all the difference...Einstein,with his brilliant intuition and introverted thinking was able to fit those pieces together and come up with a model of universe,that has stood the test of time..and even today all efforts to invalidate his theories have been unsuccessful....Classic INTP mind in action..can't find a better example than that...and I don't think that the greatness of a scientist should be judged by how his contributions have made our life better..If we adopt that logic,abstract science has no value!!!

[Aryan]

Einstein,with his brilliant intuition and introverted thinking was able to fit those pieces together and come up with a model of universe,that has stood the test of time..and even today all efforts to invalidate his theories have been unsuccessful....

MUHAHAHA !
Thats why God created me ;P


and I don't think that the greatness of a scientist should be judged by how his contributions have made our life better..If we adopt that logic,abstract science has no value!!!

Exactly, I agree too.
People expect from science they dont realise it !

[heeroyuy]

I'd say Socrates and Socratic Method, all of his stuff. He laid the foundation for alot of our modern western traditions/ideas of science and philosophy. I heard he was INTP, although I could be wrong.


Anyway, slightly disappointing to have the biggest way of killing millions of your fellow-creatures up at the top.

I assume you're referring to Einstein? If not 'scuse me.

Erm, explain to me again how general and special relativity created nuclear weapons? The government (arguable) perversion of science created nuclear weapons, just like they do with any usable scientific exploit. That doesn't change the fact it's a core theory of physics and a great accomplishment.

[Claverhouse]

I'd say Socrates and Socratic Method, all of his stuff. He laid the foundation for alot of our modern western traditions/ideas of science and philosophy. I heard he was INTP, although I could be wrong.



I assume you're referring to Einstein? If not 'scuse me.

Erm, explain to me again how general and special relativity created nuclear weapons? The government (arguable) perversion of science created nuclear weapons, just like they do with any usable scientific exploit. That doesn't change the fact it's a core theory of physics and a great accomplishment.
Er, I thought everybody knew...


In 1939, shortly before the outbreak of World War II in Europe, Einstein learned that two German chemists had split the uranium atom. Enrico Fermi (http://www.atomicarchive.com/Bios/Fermi.shtml), an Italian physicist who lived in the United States, proposed that a chain-reaction splitting of uranium atoms could release enormous quantities of energy. In 1939 Einstein wrote to President Franklin D. Roosevelt warning him that this scientific knowledge could lead to Germany's developing an atomic bomb. He suggested that the United States prepare for its own atomic bomb research. Out of this effort came the Manhattan Project, in which the first two atomic bombs were developed in 1945.
Atomic Archive (http://www.atomicarchive.com/Bios/Einstein.shtml)



The physicist Albert Einstein did not directly participate in the invention of the atomic bomb. But as we shall see, he was instrumental in facilitating its development.

In 1905, as part of his Special Theory of Relativity, he made the intriguing point that a large amount of energy could be released from a small amount of matter. This was expressed by the equation E=mc2 (energy = mass times the speed of light squared). The atomic bomb would clearly illustrate this principle.

But bombs were not what Einstein had in mind when he published this equation. Indeed, he considered himself to be a pacifist. In 1929, he publicly declared that if a war broke out he would "unconditionally refuse to do war service, direct or indirect... regardless of how the cause of the war should be judged." (Ronald Clark, "Einstein: The Life and Times", pg. 428). His position would change in 1933, as the result of Adolf Hitler's ascent to power in Germany. While still promoting peace, Einstein no longer fit his previous self-description of being an "absolute pacifist".

Einstein's greatest role in the invention of the atomic bomb was signing a letter to President Franklin Roosevelt urging that the bomb be built. The splitting of the uranium atom in Germany in December 1938 plus continued German aggression led some physicists to fear that Germany might be working on an atomic bomb. Among those concerned were physicists Leo Szilard and Eugene Wigner. But Szilard and Wigner had no influence with those in power. So in July 1939 they explained the problem to someone who did: Albert Einstein. According to Szilard, Einstein said the possibility of a chain reaction "never occurred to me", altho Einstein was quick to understand the concept (Clark, pg. 669+; Spencer Weart & Gertrud Weiss Szilard, eds., "Leo Szilard: His Version of the Facts", pg. 83). After consulting with Einstein, in August 1939 Szilard wrote a letter to President Roosevelt with Einstein's signature on it. The letter was delivered to Roosevelt in October 1939 by Alexander Sachs, a friend of the President. Germany had invaded Poland the previous month; the time was ripe for action. That October the Briggs Committee was appointed to study uranium chain reactions.

Albert Einstein and the Atomic Bomb (http://www.doug-long.com/einstein.htm)


Not that I've got any use for nuclear power for any purpose. People do brilliant work in most fields which is misguided and unwelcome.


And regard the equally dazzling Teller !


After taking the Manhattan project as far as needful the horrid little bugger then devised a way to use an Atomic Bomb to set off a Thermonuclear Bomb: during the former some of the participants felt that it might set of a chain reaction destroying not only the devilish nazis and evil Japs but the whole wide world; but felt this was a risk worth taking. With the thermonuclear device even these old loons decided that all the gases in the sea and atmospheres could ignite: 'Teller did not see this as a huge problem'. Afterwards he devoted his life to even bigger and better bombs ( most of which were built, or at least funded, by the American tax-payer ) and finished up with his great triumph: getting Ronnie the Actor to initiate the 'Star Wars Project'.


So you can be a genius, and a useless nincompcoop, simultaneously.


And what the hell, I daresay Zaharoff was a genius in his own fashion: had he been an INTP, would you acclaim him a man and a brother ?





Claverhouse :ph34r:

[heeroyuy]

My point wasn't that Einstein didn't cause development of nuclear bomb, but that the developed the theories of relativity of which E=mc^2 relates to. E=mc^2 has some relation to, though little, (to my knowledge, please, by all means correct me if I'm wrong :) I acknowledge that I am not an absolute expert in this field as I haven't studied physics extensively in a number of years) the first atomic bomb, or nuclear bombs in general.

Okay, I'm done. I still nominate Socrates :D

[Star Cannon]

Nicholas Tesla!!!

[Chicken]

My point wasn't that Einstein didn't cause development of nuclear bomb, but that the developed the theories of relativity of which E=mc^2 relates to. E=mc^2 has some relation to, though little, (to my knowledge, please, by all means correct me if I'm wrong :) I acknowledge that I am not an absolute expert in this field as I haven't studied physics extensively in a number of years) the first atomic bomb, or nuclear bombs in general.

Okay, I'm done. I still nominate Socrates :D

I think I once read a biography on a website about Einstein that stated he knew he was contributing to weapons of war, simply to give the US and chance to intimidate Germany, because he was very opposed to the war and an extreme paccifist in his earlier days. If that is so, then the turn out of them never using an atomic bomb (to my knowledge) during WW2 was proof enough of this for me. It has caused a crap load of problems, however. Also later on in the biography it states that he felt somewhat guilty in his later years for his contribution, but he sort of justified it by the previously stated. (my opinions before re-reading it)

I've just found a good article on it, you might enjoy this, it's quite a good article IMO:
http://www.doug-long.com/einstein.htm

And after...

So Einstein did willingly sign the paper for it to be approved to the president.. that is where his guilt layed.. not in the actual contribution his theory had to it, but the fact that he signed for it all