World DOMINATION

[jyakulis]

Ok I got this plan for us to get in an optimal society. I think the best correlation to my plan is ancient egypt. What had to be going on there, though not I'm not completely sure, is that the SMARTEST people were in charge. It's either that or aliens helped them build the pyramids. So, in theory if history could rewrite itself we could technically take over. The smarter Egyptians wooed the rest of the kingdom with talk of sun gods and various other things. The gods as in medevil time (christianity) held the leaders in control. BUT things sucked because the leaders were, well, controlling jerks. Now what if the INTP devised a plan to undermind what holds today's society together. Which I would say is money, church, and govt. Well I don't know how we would undermind them but at one point the INTP needs to rise to power which we will do by our intellect and extreme wisdom. From there we can form a eutopian society. First off we give all children a meyers briggs analysis. All INTP will be sent to live with us where we will nurture him/her and let his ideas run free. We will then type class everyone and put them into school enviornments best suited for mating, personal growth, and their own education. We'll then change government and form one new super government of are choosing. It will consist of the best aspects of democracy/socialism/communism and any other good ideas we could think of. By doing this I think we could create a eutopian society that could advance at alarming rates. Since we have no desire to control or be controlled it is a perfect position to put us in. PLUS we'd be given a task force of the best of all the other types that could be rounded up to work on OUR special projects. And the rest can still become useful members of society as they wish. But that is a lotta work, I think I'll just stick to video gamez.

[Robespierre]

Ok I got this plan for us to get in an optimal society. I think the best correlation to my plan is ancient egypt. What had to be going on there, though not I'm not completely sure, is that the SMARTEST people were in charge. It's either that or aliens helped them build the pyramids. So, in theory if history could rewrite itself we could technically take over. The smarter Egyptians wooed the rest of the kingdom with talk of sun gods and various other things. The gods as in medevil time (christianity) held the leaders in control. BUT things sucked because the leaders were, well, controlling jerks. Now what if the INTP devised a plan to undermind what holds today's society together. Which I would say is money, church, and govt. Well I don't know how we would undermind them but at one point the INTP needs to rise to power which we will do by our intellect and extreme wisdom. From there we can form a eutopian society. First off we give all children a meyers briggs analysis. All INTP will be sent to live with us where we will nurture him/her and let his ideas run free. We will then type class everyone and put them into school enviornments best suited for mating, personal growth, and their own education. We'll then change government and form one new super government of are choosing. It will consist of the best aspects of democracy/socialism/communism and any other good ideas we could think of. By doing this I think we could create a eutopian society that could advance at alarming rates. Since we have no desire to control or be controlled it is a perfect position to put us in. PLUS we'd be given a task force of the best of all the other types that could be rounded up to work on OUR special projects. And the rest can still become useful members of society as they wish. But that is a lotta work, I think I'll just stick to video gamez.

Yeah, in general, real life doesn't work like civ III.

Also, it's undermine, not undermind, and utopian, not eutopian.

I'll begin with the amazing arrogance and hipocrisy displayed in your probably off-hand remarks. You wish to place the "smartest" in crontrol over the entire human society, effectively making everyone slaves to those determined to be the most intelligent. Are you on that list?

No matter how much you think you know about how other people should live, you have no right to force your opinion on them. This VERY SAME action seems to be what you don't like about the "current system". Those "controlling jerks".

This seems to be a fairly typical INTP trap. Utopian thinking, with wide uncovered assumptions under it all. Would you justify the use of force to compell society to follow your orders? What if your plans failed? Especially since you don't seem to have gotten the memo about central economic planning, you may be in for a surprise when you attempt to run a command and control economy that isn't in a video game.

Otherwise, I suggest taking a look at the Gestapo thread.

[crule81]

Yeah, in general, real life doesn't work like civ III.

It's probably not suprising that INTP's seem to like that game. Computer games are as far as I want to go in world conquest.

[Robespierre]

Computer games are as far as I want to go in world conquest.

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[Warrior413]

It's probably not suprising that INTP's seem to like that game. Computer games are as far as I want to go in world conquest.
Yeah same here. Anyway, it's an interesting idea but the others won't play along.

[jyakulis]

LOL i was just teasing yikes, lighten up. Sense of humor can be a sign of intelligence, so obvious you aren't on the list I guess that's why you are so very uninterested ;). And if i wasn't on that list it would be ok with me. Enslaving/force wasn't suggested please reread thanx. But maybe undermind means that hoo nose? I always thought it meant "to have something under ones brain" but what do I know. Anywho command economy......... HOW was I suggesting a command economy. I said best things from everything else. Just cause I suggested communism or anything like that doesn't mean that's what would be implemented. As it was obviously a huge mess. I mean NEP, ultimately a failure, 5 year plan failed, Kruschev jailed even though he knew what he was doing, gorbachev's changes providing complete destruction of everything communism was. That's what I view history as. Communism was a huge mess. BUT it had GOOD things too. You can't completely write something off that had good aspects too it in my opinion. Find trends in things that DID work and apply to FORM something new and better. Please don't make assumptions of me good sir, like for instance, that I have no knowledge of such basics as problems in a command economy. Maybe I was too general in my idea, and need to examine it better ,which I will cause you hurt my feelings :( ,but it was just to entertain myself anyway. And finally, know what I find to be arrogant. Petty corrections like mispelling in words. BUT you are the PROVIDER of clarity right???? No matter how petty clarity is?
anywho while we're at it.....
hipocrisy=hypocrisy
eye jahst never k00d spail g00d aight?

[jyakulis]

eye jahst never k00d spail g00d aight?

that being said my first order of business, construction of the derrick zoolander sk00l for kidz that can't read g00d.

[Robespierre]

LOL i was just teasing yikes, lighten up. Sense of humor can be a sign of intelligence, so obvious you aren't on the list I guess that's why you are so very uninterested ;).

You weren't joking.


And if i wasn't on that list it would be ok with me. Enslaving/force wasn't suggested please reread thanx.

No, you didn't use those words, but enslaving the world is what you describe.


But maybe undermind means that hoo nose? I always thought it meant "to have something under ones brain" but what do I know. Anywho command economy......... HOW was I suggesting a command economy. I said best things from everything else. Just cause I suggested communism or anything like that doesn't mean that's what would be implemented. As it was obviously a huge mess. I mean NEP, ultimately a failure, 5 year plan failed, Kruschev jailed even though he knew what he was doing, gorbachev's changes providing complete destruction of everything communism was. That's what I view history as. Communism was a huge mess. BUT it had GOOD things too. You can't completely write something off that had good aspects too it in my opinion. Find trends in things that DID work and apply to FORM something new and better.

Actually, there are plenty of systems that are complete failures because they are based on false premises. Communism happens to be one of these systems. It is based on the idea that the "state" can own all property and use it to benefit of all. The concept of public good is a fairy tale. There is no singular will of the people, and no single public good. Thus, the entirety of communism can be thrown over the side for good.


Please don't make assumptions of me good sir, like for instance, that I have no knowledge of such basics as problems in a command economy. Maybe I was too general in my idea,

Idea or joke?

[mgb]

that being said my first order of business, construction of the derrick zoolander sk00l for kidz that can't read g00d.

Only if you make it look like a book. And have the "Gasoline Fight" fountain.

Also, your aight reminds me of an episode of Greg the Bunny. If you haven't seen it you should try and get the DVD, its hilarious.

[jyakulis]

But I still think the idea has some premise into what utopia could be. I"m not saying I would ever ever try to implement something. But I do think meyers-briggs typology and 1000 of years of history can be very powerful tools. Look at it this way.....I was thinking about it a lil more. Take abortion in today's govt. Now my idea of government would be to weigh both sides pros and cons of each based on experience. Like back alley abortions and killing of an innocent life all that stuff. Both sides should be weighed good and bad then something new formed. For instance, I don't even know anything about politics, so, this may sound completely off base but.....what about abortion would be allowed for someone that didn't have means to care/fund the baby. But it would be illegal for those that did have means. It could be like a council and for those that did have means and still didn't want the baby, maybe, an adoption family could be found? When that wouldn't be availible counseling could be offered to both the pregnant female and the family so they could remain in a healthy relationship despite obvious turmoil about the baby. I think this would completely eliminate the back alley abortion. BUT I do see problems in funding for such a program. But anyway, that's how I would see abortion centers operationg and NO day after abortion pills. It would be something similar in forming the new government. 100's of years of history of governments would be evaluated policy by policy as well as consequences of implications of each in history as well as weighted for the good and bad. I just don't think communism and other governments can be written off because of bad results. Ohh how I would of loved to see someone wiser have taken power instead of Stalin. In my opinion, communism would have a much different face than it currently does. I mean marxist theory in retrospect isn't so bad but it got ruined because the wrong people interpreted it in my opinion. And the class of the smartest INTP's wouldn't be rulers in a sense but watchers, I would call them. AND no I wouldn't be part of them. Why? I'm not that smart, I'll admit it, many INTP's on this board are light years ahead of me in their knowledge. I would have faith in them though. I mean they could brainstorm topics and have the best and brightest from ALL types to implement the plans. The best and brightest would be honored to work on such important things in my eyes. You could even just have them sign up for it, something completely voluntary. And essentially the rest of the world would run as it normally does. But I mean even the INFP would be important in designing things as well. I'm just saying though that I think the INTP needs to be given power to review the implications and ideas the others created. Because it would allow them to look for flaws in their logic and other problems that all the other non INTP traits that inhibit others. Since they would have no desire to control only look for flaws and improvements it stands as a perfect head so to speak. I guess what I"m trying to get at instead of babbling is that, everyone would have a hand. I mean even just to start it could just be organizing the best and brightest and forming a system and SEE what can be accomplished. It would have to be a take over just an experiment is all. It just seems like a more productive way to organize everyone. I'm not trying to put us in a position of power or arrogance, just a position to point out flaws in logic to others. I mean the INFP could even be used in ideas involving people. Maybe the INTP in ideas involving technology. INTJ's would implement INTP ideas. All I'm saying is everyone would work together, but an indifferent party has to be put into place to keep things from getting out of hand. See, I think that's why communism failed amonst MANY other reasons in Soviet Russia. The whole party was formed on one man's interpretation of Marxist theory. This man happened to be paranoid, controlling, very centralized, and manipulitive. These traits in stalin all can be seen in what I think is communism and following communists governments as well. His personality practically defined a government in my eyes. At least all the negative aspects. It would never have been possible to work for what needed to happen when they were forming the govt. BECAUSE an INTP would prolly not have a strong enough opinion to take charge. I mean I have no idea what Marx was as far as personality. But I'm gonna guess INTP. For a utopia to work it would have to refer to the creator of the IDEA of a utopia. Anyway this is all opinion stuff and for fun, but my interest is sparked now. Anyway I'm by no means a communists. But you have to look at the personality of stalin and the personality of communism itself. You'll find striking similarities. I need input though.....I'm still trying to decide.

[Robespierre]

Please explain what exactly your idea of communism is.

Also, how would you deal with individuals, like myself, who have no use for your plans? Would we be shot and rolled into a ditch?

[jyakulis]

Please explain what exactly your idea of communism is.

Also, how would you deal with individuals, like myself, who have no use for your plans? Would we be shot and rolled into a ditch?

Umm gonna have to get back to you on the first question. Gonna have to do a little digging from old classes. But I can give you correlations to Stalin's personality and communist government itself.

Umm the people that weren't in the MOST talented. Well if one thing I've come to find is we need all personalities classes to survive. Take the ISTP (is it the mechanic). A great technological device is gonna need a great mechanic type person to carry through with it. I mean I think everyone could be used to implement right down the line. I guess I could further things by looking for uses for everyone. It would start as an experiment anyway. Though I see what your saying what if the experiment works maybe but some personality types are left in the cold with nothing to do. That is something that's not ruled out and I need to look it into it further. Ok here's what I'll do, follow up on uses for everyone according to personality type. And correlations in Soviet politics and Stalin's personality. I dunno lotta thinking to do. I'll get started on monday. I'm gonna go though have a good weekend everyone. Thanks for your input! :)

[Edmond Zedo]

I used to get these off the wall ideas that sounded great to me when I was 14. Now they don't.

[jyakulis]

I used to get these off the wall ideas that sounded great to me when I was 14. Now they don't.

yeah i gots a lotta growin up to do i spose.

[Dman]

Another wrench to throw in the works is what is your definition of smart people. Educated-smart? Book-smart? Manipulating people-smart? Leading people-smart? Emotionally-smart? Good spellers-smart? There are lots of definitions of "smart" people, which includes many traits that INTP's don't have. You could say that smart people run the world right now - politically smart.

[coffeezombie]

Isn't Bill Gates smart and doesn't he run the world already?

[Arcael]

Isn't Bill Gates smart and doesn't he run the world already?
I want to have Bill Gates's babies, and im not even gay.