A Short Rant/Suggestion To All

[heeroyuy]

I just wanted to make this comment, it's more of a suggestion to everybody on this forum, and in general on the net. This seems like the most appropriate place to make this comment.

As I go through these discussion forums each day I find many interesting and intriguing discussions over a number of topics and ideas. In a thread I may find much humor as well as insight into things I haven't thought about. When I first came here, it was quite apparent that these people were like me, they _get_ it. Some more than others, as we're all different, but we're all alike, in one sense or another.

Yet as I go through the forums I see something else as well. Perhaps this is inevitable, but it still sickens me. People doing things such as posting in caps, which while rude in e-ettiqute is forgivable, and getting a gentle "please stop" and eventually getting into a flame war about it. Questioning each other's INTPness, etc. There is a time and a place for this type of thing, and some of it is joking which I am fine with, but it sickens me.

Are we this immature? I give into it occasionally as well, and one or two arguments have drawn me into their clutches over trivial things. Frankly, just because you're the picture perfect INTP gives you no right to question someone's INTPness else for not agreeing with you. Also, frankly, why is this the default insult? I realize most of us, including me, are elitists but lord, can't we pick ourselves up at least the littlest bit from the gutter?

Frankly, I'm begginning to regret writting/posting this and considering trashing it, because inevitably two or three people will say "I think you're an F, you shouldn't care." But I do care, because this is _my_ medium of expression. this is where _I_ get _my_ problems out. When I have no where in the world that understands, this is where I hope to find, as a last resort, people who will if nothing else be able to say "I've been there man!" People, why the hell are we doing this?

I realize it's only the margins, but has anyone ever noticed that these margins have post counts in the hundreds from this? A few bad apples spoils the bunch. A thread that has this kind of side-tracking in it rarely goes back to the main discussion, as none of us can let it go once wrapped up in it.

Is it too much to ask that we deal with people of different opinions, and not question each other's INTPness or insult their [insert thing here] and spark a worthless debate for no apparent reason? Is it too much to ask to ignore these people when they do this, just let it go? Is it too much to ask not to take this shit personally, in reality it is just bits. The important part is the communication, and just like any communication we can choose to use it properly or abuse it.

I think this rant is brought on by alot of things, not just this forum, but this forum I see it in more and more recently. I blame no one but all of us, and I know other people feel the same way about all this, so I'm posting this. I only speak for myself though.

I'm done. Flame my opinion, reject my opinion, or agree with my opinion. Your choice.

[booyalab]

I agree. I want to say that I don't think being something else other than an "INTP" is bad in and of itself, it's just that often saying someone is an SJ or feeler is used as a weapon. This is an insult to the person it's directed towards, because it's usually a negative trait that is used to make the type decision. (subjectivity veiled as objectivity) It's also an insult towards the respective SJs or feelers because you're implying that there's something wrong with being that type.

[int]

I like the "mistakes" we make - be it questioning someones INTPness, typing in caps, or just being an elitist s.o.b. We're human. not robots, and it happens. Even my Grandmother says stupid things, and she's had a lot of years of practicing not saying them.

Additionally, sometimes, as a reader, we may be more susceptible to connotations that often aren't in the words that ARE written. People often take words out of context. We all do it.

And, personally, I know my sense of humor doesn't always come across in speech or writing - which is why it is important to clear things up. At the same time, we don't see much flaming around here in the first place.

So I agree and disagree with you. ;) :D

[jyakulis]

is capitalizing words for EFFECT allowable?

[booyalab]

At the same time, we don't see much flaming around here in the first place.



Of course! that's what the moderator's office is for.......(or am I joking?)

[heeroyuy]

This isn't meant to set aside rules, as I could care less. Frankly take it as you will, once again, not that important. I know flaming isn't half as bad here as other places. But still, annoying when you wanna have an actual discussion :) This was just my opinion stated, perhaps in too strong of a fashion, on it all.

[booyalab]

is capitalizing words for EFFECT allowable?


NO, you IDIOT

[mgb]

I agree with you, whether or not I stand on ground that allows me too. I think that INTPs on this site (and other people) know enough about Myers-Briggs to have found there way here and are sensitive to "Typism". We all know there is nothing wrong with other types...we just like being our type.

It is easy to do but is probably the weakest form of argument you can use here and I am truly suprised ,that given the scope of intellect on the site, it gets used, tongue in cheek or not.

[jyakulis]

If someone is a flamer, does everything they say count as flaming? :blush:

[booyalab]

is capitalizing words for EFFECT allowable?

I was just kidding by the way....in case you're one of those "feelers".

Actually, I've noticed a correlation between the times that I capitalize for effect, or emphasis....and the times that people think I'm in a crabby mood.

So I'd like to say once and for all, that if I use strategic capitilizing in a sentence, it's because I want you to pretend it's italicized since I always forget how to make words in italics and I'm too lazy to learn.

[jyakulis]

I was just kidding by the way....in case you're one of those "feelers".


I don't understand why it is feelers and thinkers. Wouldn't feelers have to run around feeling everything and everyone. I think there should be a different word.
AnYwAy, to get back on topic. I concur with what you said. 10-4 captain.
Is alternated capitalization allowed to convey a feeling of goofiness?

[booyalab]

I don't understand why it is feelers and thinkers. Wouldn't feelers have to run around feeling everything and everyone. I think there should be a different word.


When I go clothes shopping I like to feel the clothes on the racks...*lets someone else bring us back on topic*

[booyalab]

I don't understand why it is feelers and thinkers. Wouldn't feelers have to run around feeling everything and everyone. I think there should be a different word.
AnYwAy, to get back on topic. I concur with what you said. 10-4 captain.
Is alternated capitalization allowed to convey a feeling of goofiness?

it More often thAn NoT conveys a fEELINg of emo PUNK wannAbeneSs. OmG yOuRE so COOlerZ

[Warrior413]

When I go clothes shopping I like to feel the clothes on the racks...*lets someone else bring us back on topic*
I went shopping once... oh yeah, I agree with your rant/suggestion heeroyuy but I really don't see too much of that.

[heeroyuy]

I've seen in it in a few threads, not alot, but still. It could very easily have been the day plus that REAL ESTATE thread with the ratio of flame to post being 2:1 (not point fingers at who started what...not my place). I've also seen it alot more often than in the past. *shrug*

[jyakulis]

it More often thAn NoT conveys a fEELINg of emo PUNK wannAbeneSs. OmG yOuRE so COOlerZ

I dunno I think a strategically placed alternate spelling thing is good for goofiness. But I spose there are smiley faces too. ;P

[jyakulis]

I've seen in it in a few threads, not alot, but still. It could very easily have been the day plus that REAL ESTATE thread with the ratio of flame to post being 2:1 (not point fingers at who started what...not my place). I've also seen it alot more often than in the past. *shrug*

lol i read that thread, figured that's what you were talking about.

[booyalab]

I dunno I think a strategically placed alternate spelling thing is good for goofiness. But I spose there are smiley faces too. ;P

i find it more goofy to make my own. (Bo{> walrus bodyguard with one tusk (sunglasses=bodyguard {=whiskers)

[Warrior413]

I've seen in it in a few threads, not alot, but still. It could very easily have been the day plus that REAL ESTATE thread with the ratio of flame to post being 2:1 (not point fingers at who started what...not my place). I've also seen it alot more often than in the past. *shrug*
Oohhh.... I see now. :(

[booyalab]

maybe he doesn't need such a big nose (B{>

[Warrior413]

i find it more goofy to make my own. (Bo{> walrus bodyguard with one tusk (sunglasses=bodyguard {=whiskers)
I make my own smilies for MSN messenger. Well... not smilies per se... more poker faceys.

[booyalab]

I've seen in it in a few threads, not alot, but still. It could very easily have been the day plus that REAL ESTATE thread with the ratio of flame to post being 2:1 (not point fingers at who started what...not my place). I've also seen it alot more often than in the past. *shrug*

I've received a lot of flame, but I TRY to take it with a grain of salt. I know if I'm going to speak my mind that people are going to disagree with me...and I can't control the way they do it. I've lowered my expectations of people to the point of allowing them to jab at me all they want......as long as I can jab back. (But I try to make my jabs a little less below the belt than the ones I receive)

[SheepDog]

One metaphor I use when thinking about this place is that it's like a room full of a bunch of different mirrors, all pointing at different angles. Fellow members are reflecting a bit of my own INTP-ness (or non-INTP-ness, to acknowledge all the contributors) back at me. Sometimes I might not like it, but it's a free opportunity for a different kind of self reflection, if you'll please pardon the pathetic pun.

[Avengardh]

I've seen it happen a lot Yuy, and indeed it has destroyed the appeal of this forum.
More talking personally than anything else, but I know of others who think the same way.

I find that I myself have been accused of being a "Feeler" or ""more of an F than a P" etc.
While certainly annoying, people like that don't really earn my respect or the desire to continue replying to them on the net.
I realize many of us come here to let it all out, and I agree that while there are more annoying things in the world, it would be ideal to hope to find a home within this forum.
However, from experience, things like these happen all the time, I was more surprised to see it happen here, but they still did. As for what you can do, I think that voicing your opinion was a good thing to do, whether people will take this seriously or find flaws in what you typed is something that can't be controlled.

I can only hope that you don't leave the forum like many others have, there are threads that are worth it now and then.

~*Aven*~

[heeroyuy]

I can only hope that you don't leave the forum like many others have, there are threads that are worth it now and then.

Nah, too much fun to laugh in private at them to leave ;) Besides, still many things I like. I just wanted to get this out to see if others felt same way or what :)

[Warrior413]

I don't think it's even possible to get me mad enough to leave a forum. And where there's like-minded individuals I doubt I'll ever be bored enough to leave a forum. I hope you all feel the same way.

That's right, I said feel. Now flame me, I dare ya. ;P

[heeroyuy]

Damnit! You know it's against the rules to let the Fe out! Back *beats at your Fe with a broom* back I say! :)

[Warrior413]

*slams Fe in a cage* Ah... where were we...

[SheepDog]

Words on a page like this can sound harsher than we intend them. I think it would be good to keep this in mind, since we're taking a moment to reflect. The medium does affect the message.

[int]

Of course! that's what the moderator's office is for.......(or am I joking?)

Contrary to YOUR belief, there is no flaming in there. Merely questions and discussion about what to do, on small issues that arise.

The last post made in there was by me, on 12-05-2004 at 12:59 AM, that was a bad joke. The one before that was on 11-25-2004 and was merely another saying "thanks" to some added authority.

Again, you're not missing anything special.

[SensEye]

I find that I myself have been accused of being a "Feeler" or ""more of an F than a P" etc. Hmmm...I have made such observations about you in the past. I certainly intended no offense and, at the time, did not perceive any was taken. I find many NF traits very appealing so I would not expect anyone to take offense if I commented that they exhibited some. My aplologies if this is not how things were interpreted.

[booyalab]

Contrary to YOUR belief, there is no flaming in there. Merely questions and discussion about what to do, on small issues that arise.

The last post made in there was by me, on 12-05-2004 at 12:59 AM, that was a bad joke. The one before that was on 11-25-2004 and was merely another saying "thanks" to some added authority.

Again, you're not missing anything special.

I've seen it :D

and no I didn't hack..(ask FC for further information..I can't see it anymore, by the way so feel free to complain about me now)..remember my little rant in the Of Souls thread? yup saw the little mod discusison about that...very enlightening....there was other stuff too, so don't bother lying)

[int]

Congrats.

And why would I lie?

[booyalab]

I never would have mentioned this openly if I didn't have such a blatant opportunity...but since i remember you saying a thing or two about me (if my memory serves me) in there...and i was posting right after your "there's no flaming" comment..it was just too easy.

[int]

You and I probably have very different definitions of the word "flame" then.

And I didn't say "there is no flaming." I said there isn't much of it.

[booyalab]

if it helps.....I didn't like the idea of a moderator in an INTP chatroom (let alone a boatload of them) before I saw that forum.

[booyalab]

You and I probably have very different definitions of the word "flame" then.

probably.....but that's what makes you a mod. Supreme authority over what constitutes a flame

[int]

I don't see how my "authority" applies.


Ya know, cuz I lay it on sooo much. :rolleyes:

[heeroyuy]

I've noticed that about authority, it tend to make people blame all of their faults or all of your faults on that authority :) (not that this is the case here...)

Any difference of opinion somehow manages to become an issue of them vs you. This is why I avoid authority :)

[Edmond Zedo]

WHAT IS THIS MICKEY MOUSE SHIT.

[Vagabond]

I don't see that much flaming in here... besides, INTP or not, this is a community, people will still be people and emotional reactions happen to INTPs too (believe it or not :p ). I can see why it bothers some people, it doesn't bother me however. I like coming on here and being myself, and seeing that others are being themselves too; personally I wouldn't see much appeal if this board was just about clinical observations - that would be kind of static as we wouldn't act our personalities out enough to observe, or about emphasizing our common traits and downplaying or differences - that would be projecting a fake image, no point there for me. What I am saying is that, the way I see it, we are a society kind of, so we will agree, disagree, kick each other's ass, kiss each others ass (I haven't seen that happening yet thank god, but never say never), anything goes... and it is normal. If that makes me a Feeler or a Sensor in someone's eyes, well that's their problem; we did not all come out of the same box. We are different if you look close enough past our general personality type. Of course we will fight at times, even when fighting doesn't seem "appropriate". I think we observe and learn more this way anyway.

Just my opinion.

[Avengardh]

I don't see that much flaming in here... besides, INTP or not, this is a community, people will still be people and emotional reactions happen to INTPs too (believe it or not :p ). I can see why it bothers some people, it doesn't bother me however. I like coming on here and being myself, and seeing that others are being themselves too; personally I wouldn't see much appeal if this board was just about clinical observations - that would be kind of static as we wouldn't act our personalities out enough to observe, or about emphasizing our common traits and downplaying or differences - that would be projecting a fake image, no point there for me. What I am saying is that, the way I see it, we are a society kind of, so we will agree, disagree, kick each other's ass, kiss each others ass (I haven't seen that happening yet thank god, but never say never), anything goes... and it is normal. If that makes me a Feeler or a Sensor in someone's eyes, well that's their problem; we did not all come out of the same box. We are different if you look close enough past our general personality type. Of course we will fight at times, even when fighting doesn't seem "appropriate". I think we observe and learn more this way anyway.

Just my opinion.
I second that :D

[Biff_Loman]

Agreed: the Real Estate/caps lock thread is not not a shining moment for the forum. That being said, I don't feel that things have truly degenerated until people start posting huge banners with STFU in giant letters.

Overall, I think INTPcentral is pleasant. The place is devoid of real acrimony or vindictiveness.

Regarding challenges to one's INTPness (which is fun to say out loud): I keep waiting for it to happen to me! I prefer to be the peacemaker in disagreements, which is so very F. But wait: aren't I a badass, unmovable NT? :lol: It looks like I have a natural love of co-operation and concord after all. I must be a big baby. ;)

That being said: god bless Edmond Zedo for lending perspective where perspective is needed.

[Warrior413]

Agreed: the Real Estate/caps lock thread is not not a shining moment for the forum. That being said, I don't feel that things have truly degenerated until people start posting huge banners with STFU in giant letters.

Overall, I think INTPcentral is pleasant. The place is devoid of real acrimony or vindictiveness.
Yes, definitely. I can almost always expect to have my statements followed by another point, logical disagreement, or random statements about nothing in particular. Instead of angry responses or random statements about nothing in particular. I'm proud of my INTPness.

[Clara]

In a thread I may find much humor as well as insight into things I haven't thought about. When I first came here, it was quite apparent that these people were like me, they _get_ it. Some more than others, as we're all different, but we're all alike, in one sense or another.

... to question someone's INTPness else for not agreeing with you. Also, frankly, why is this the default insult?

Frankly, I'm begginning to regret writting/posting this and considering trashing it, because... people will say "... you shouldn't care." But I do care, because this is _my_ medium of expression. this is where _I_ get _my_ problems out. When I have no where in the world that understands, this is where I hope to find, as a last resort, people who will if nothing else be able to say "I've been there man!" People, why the hell are we doing this?

... has anyone ever noticed that these margins have post counts in the hundreds from this? ... as none of us can let it go once wrapped up in it.
Who else thinks Heeroyuy might actually have an accurate estimate - and that the focus of his message is, "Please let's put this behind us."

If we didn't ever need to forgive, or to be forgiven... well, I've never heard of anyone like that.

[Biff_Loman]

Say "INTPness" out loud to yourself five times fast.

[edit:] This is a general recommendation, and not a reply to any specific post. Nor is it a response to any particular comment or thought expressed anywhere in this thread. It is a total non-sequitur.

[booyalab]

WHAT IS THIS MICKEY MOUSE SHIT.

what preceded was a manifestation of how I feel about the moderator's and their office. (Analogy: an underground lair to hold secret meetings of a private organization of referee's.......really SO necessary for supposedly unbiased arbitration,which by the way is also obviously SOO necessary in this forum. Especially since so many people in this thread are professing it's benevolence.) Of course I'm BIASED since that specific thread of petty gossip disguised as "Merely questions and discussion about what to do, on small issues that arise." I referred to was about ME, and of course I can't prove anything to anyone that gives a shit, I guess I just wanted a chance to put my experience out in the open. I promised I wasn't going to bring this up unless there was a perfect opportunity, and it came.....and went, so now that I have gotten it off my chest, I'll shut up.

[Claverhouse]

I've seen it happen a lot Yuy, and indeed it has destroyed the appeal of this forum.
More talking personally than anything else, but I know of others who think the same way.

I find that I myself have been accused of being a "Feeler" or ""more of an F than a P" etc.
While certainly annoying, people like that don't really earn my respect or the desire to continue replying to them on the net.
I realize many of us come here to let it all out, and I agree that while there are more annoying things in the world, it would be ideal to hope to find a home within this forum.
However, from experience, things like these happen all the time, I was more surprised to see it happen here, but they still did. As for what you can do, I think that voicing your opinion was a good thing to do, whether people will take this seriously or find flaws in what you typed is something that can't be controlled.

I can only hope that you don't leave the forum like many others have, there are threads that are worth it now and then.

~*Aven*~
I feel for everyone on this thread [ No, I don't, that's a downright lie ].

Is it getting less appealing ? Partially... but there's the shock of the old to take into account: after a while, things start to seem much the same, and boredom wakes up from her slumbers. However, there's the inevitability of libertarian-capitalist-bourgeois anarchists taking over things just as they do, Mammon being so triumphant at this stage of history, anywhere on the Web: there's the just as trivial idealists filled with the inane pieties of progressive thinking...: there's the fact that [personally] I feel that modern music, sports and porn are probably well catered for elsewhere on the Internet...

Still, where ya gonna go ?

However it comes down to the fact that every two months a new bunch join and take over until they in turn drop out, usurped by the next set of enthusiasts. Each starting a new thread about Sleep, Evolution in Schools and the peculiar ecology of their family. One misses the steady flow from those members who joined before one.

If they have left --- a list would be useful --- I suspect they've formed a new secretive group for uberINTPs.


Claverhouse :ph34r:


As for the quaint practice of informing others they have insufficient INTPness... Who died and made them arbiter ?

[Edmond Zedo]

what preceded was a manifestation of how I feel about the moderator's and their office. (Analogy: an underground lair to hold secret meetings of a private organization of referee's.......really SO necessary for supposedly unbiased arbitration,which by the way is also obviously SOO necessary in this forum. Especially since so many people in this thread are professing it's benevolence.) Of course I'm BIASED since that specific thread of petty gossip disguised as "Merely questions and discussion about what to do, on small issues that arise." I referred to was about ME, and of course I can't prove anything to anyone that gives a shit, I guess I just wanted a chance to put my experience out in the open. I promised I wasn't going to bring this up unless there was a perfect opportunity, and it came.....and went, so now that I have gotten it off my chest, I'll shut up.
BULLLSHIT, I CAN'T HEAR YOU!

[booyalab]

BULLLSHIT, I CAN'T HEAR YOU!

SHALL I SPEAK INTO YOUR EAR TRUMPET, OLD MAN?

[Edmond Zedo]

SHALL I SPEAK INTO YOUR EAR TRUMPET, OLD MAN?
YOU DON'T SCARE ME! WORK ON IT!

[mgb]

We should have a "cap lock" only day to get it out of out system.

[heeroyuy]

Hmmm....I like this. *pokes mod* Make a cap lock event on some day, so we can all post with all caps and scare off other people browsing the forum!

[heeroyuy]

Nevermind. I realized _I_ could post events in the calendar. Being a developer, I probably should have known this. In any event, December 27th, official caps lock day :)

[mgb]

HILARIOUS.

Just getting ready. :)

[mgb]

I feel for everyone on this thread [ No, I don't, that's a downright lie ].

Is it getting less appealing ? Partially... but there's the shock of the old to take into account: after a while, things start to seem much the same, and boredom wakes up from her slumbers. However, there's the inevitability of libertarian-capitalist-bourgeois anarchists taking over things just as they do, Mammon being so triumphant at this stage of history, anywhere on the Web: there's the just as trivial idealists filled with the inane pieties of progressive thinking...: there's the fact that [personally] I feel that modern music, sports and porn are probably well catered for elsewhere on the Internet...

Still, where ya gonna go ?

However it comes down to the fact that every two months a new bunch join and take over until they in turn drop out, usurped by the next set of enthusiasts. Each starting a new thread about Sleep, Evolution in Schools and the peculiar ecology of their family. One misses the steady flow from those members who joined before one.

If they have left --- a list would be useful --- I suspect they've formed a new secretive group for uberINTPs.


Claverhouse :ph34r:


As for the quaint practice of informing others they have insufficient INTPness... Who died and made them arbiter ?


I suppose it is actually the nature of a group like this, to be constantly evolving/revolving/going backward. I suppose its not that change will happen its how you deal with the change when it does happen.

I've seen quite a few times when new people have come on (and probably been a new person) and started a thread about something and someone just puts a link to the thread as it existed before. One thing I like is that these discussions will inevitably go to a different place than the originals had making them unique. I've been tempted to post a link to an old thread but its more interesting to see where the new one will go.

There is going to be turnover. That happens with every group. The backbone of the forum is the people that stick around through the ebbs and flows. In that ebb and flow is where you will find your steady flow.

[Warrior413]

Being the contrarian that I am, December 28th is now "lower case day". Happy holidays. ;P

[mgb]

Being the contrarian that I am, December 28th is now "lower case day". Happy holidays. ;P

I think you might be going a little far with "lower case day". Do things really have to get to that level?

Just kidding.

We should fill up the whole week between Christmas and New Years with crazy days....besides Boxing Day.

[Claverhouse]

We should fill up the whole week between Christmas and New Years with crazy days....besides Boxing Day.

Suicide Day ?



Claverhouse :ph34r:

[Warrior413]

I contemplated making a "Sumo Wrestling Day" but I don't want to mess up the calendar too much. Anyway, I randomly adopted July 12th, 2005 about a week ago.

[int]

We are different if you look close enough past our general personality type. Of course we will fight at times, even when fighting doesn't seem "appropriate". I think we observe and learn more this way anyway.


Yea...I've had this same argument with my brother 2,643,582.3 times so I try to try a different tactic every time we engage - to see if I can find what makes him tick.

Of course, we're too similiar and we run ourselves in circles (since he's trying to do the same, the analytical little bugger...) - so we've learned to step away from each other to chill out before we ring each other's necks.

That being said, I still stand my ground. And regardless, if anyone on this board showed up on my doorstep the first round is on me, regardless of past/current arguments or what personality type you are.

And I think the majority has expressed similar thoughts - so when it seems bad 'round here...it's probably not in the long run. :)

[Avengardh]

Yea...I've had this same argument with my brother 2,643,582.3 times so I try to try a different tactic every time we engage - to see if I can find what makes him tick.

Of course, we're too similiar and we run ourselves in circles (since he's trying to do the same, the analytical little bugger...) - so we've learned to step away from each other to chill out before we ring each other's necks.

That being said, I still stand my ground. And regardless, if anyone on this board showed up on my doorstep the first round is on me, regardless of past/current arguments or what personality type you are.

And I think the majority has expressed similar thoughts - so when it seems bad 'round here...it's probably not in the long run. :)
*Nod* first round of what, beer?? Cause that's worthless to me, just pay for one of my school books :P

~*Aven*~

[heeroyuy]

We should fill up the whole week between Christmas and New Years with crazy days....besides Boxing Day.

Well, we have commericialization day, lower case day, upper case day, and I juste added "Switch Your J Day". (I figure what does it hurt, all it can do is have the calendar a bit more interesting :))

[booyalab]

YOU DON'T SCARE ME! WORK ON IT!

OH! *dramatic pause* I WILL!

[flan2dave]

There is some bias against the E-S-F-J sides...rants directed at criticizing these personality types, for instance, are readily accepted and aren't criticized for being overgeneralizing or overly negative towards those types. Likewise INTP traits are held in higher regard in an unsaid sort of way. I wonder if the MBTI system itself is somewhat at fault. For instance, ascribing to types a laundry list of one worded qualities that are susceptible to biased judgements. I guess this depends on where you are getting your information. With that said, we're only human and it's natural to develop this sort of silent approval for our particular personalities. We only miss out if people choose to hold back saying certain things because it doesn't sound intpish enough. On the other hand, it's not like this has gone unnoticed by everyone, there's quite a few "this may sound unusual for an intp, but..." to balance things out. In that one thread, many gladly volunteered to admit they get overly sensitive on the forum.

I've never seen a post like cloudolivia's before, I think a "please don't make posts like that" would suffice.

[booyalab]

I've never seen a post like cloudolivia's before, I think a "please don't make posts like that" would suffice.

now that's just patronizing.....and a LOT less fun. ;)

[Edmond Zedo]

There is some bias against the E-S-F-J sides...rants directed at criticizing these personality types, for instance, are readily accepted and aren't criticized for being overgeneralizing or overly negative towards those types. Likewise INTP traits are held in higher regard in an unsaid sort of way. I wonder if the MBTI system itself is somewhat at fault. For instance, ascribing to types a laundry list of one worded qualities that are susceptible to biased judgements. I guess this depends on where you are getting your information. With that said, we're only human and it's natural to develop this sort of silent approval for our particular personalities. We only miss out if people choose to hold back saying certain things because it doesn't sound intpish enough. On the other hand, it's not like this has gone unnoticed by everyone, there's quite a few "this may sound unusual for an intp, but..." to balance things out. In that one thread, many gladly volunteered to admit they get overly sensitive on the forum.

I've never seen a post like cloudolivia's before, I think a "please don't make posts like that" would suffice.

Uhhh WTF? Being NT, I most certainly will not cater to some random fool's idea of political correctness. And SJs are enough of a god damned problem in the real world that I'd rather be free and pleased to derogate and be without them on the old internet. And I will.

[flan2dave]

A personality theory isn't very useful if certain types are by default inferior. How well they might work in the real world, what problems they cause etc., that's a different story, depending on a variety of circumstances. SJ is too general IMO.

[mgb]

I've never seen a post like cloudolivia's before, I think a "please don't make posts like that" would suffice.


If he/she was so pissed off there is always the ignore button.

[MjrMarshmellows]

OH! *dramatic pause* I WILL!
ooh! *makes popcorn*
;P

[SheepDog]

If he/she was so pissed off there is always the ignore button.
Now WHERE is that button, exactly?

[Edmond Zedo]

Now WHERE is that button, exactly?
I think he's talking about punching them in the nose.

[booyalab]

I think he's talking about punching them in the nose.

my ignore button's a little lower.

[Edmond Zedo]

my ignore button's a little lower.
WHOA, HELLO!

[booyalab]

WHOA, HELLO!

hello indeed.

[Edmond Zedo]

hello indeed.
>:?}

[booyalab]

>:?}

er...

(you're trying to make me increase my post count for some unknown diabolical reason arent you)

[Edmond Zedo]

er...

(you're trying to make me increase my post count for some unknown diabolical reason arent you)
What outrageousness! What arrogance! What innocence! I salute you.

[Dman]

Please forgive my ignorance, but what the world is a flame war?

[Edmond Zedo]

Please forgive my ignorance, but what the world is a flame war?
You ever play C&C? It's when you're both NOD, and all either of you build is Flamethrower troops and Flame tanks, and you a-duke it on out. I thought everyone knew.

[Warrior413]

You ever play C&C? It's when you're both NOD, and all either of you build is Flamethrower troops and Flame tanks, and you a-duke it on out. I thought everyone knew.
Ah, that brings back memories... happppy
A very uncommon usage is when people have a heated argument online and then begin insulting each other, or something along those lines.

[Dman]

You ever play C&C? It's when you're both NOD, and all either of you build is Flamethrower troops and Flame tanks, and you a-duke it on out. I thought everyone knew.

Please forgive my ignorance, but what the world is C&C?

[Edmond Zedo]

Please forgive my ignorance, but what the world is C&C?
You remember the song from 1990 called "Things that Make You Go 'Hmmm'"? Well that was the Music Factory, and damn, were C&C good.

[file cabinet]

Please forgive my ignorance, but what the world is C&C?

http://www.eagames.com/official/cc/franchise/us/home.jsp

[Dman]

http://www.eagames.com/official/cc/franchise/us/home.jsp

thanks.

[Dman]

You remember the song from 1990 called "Things that Make You Go 'Hmmm'"? Well that was the Music Factory, and damn, were C&C good.

Please forgive my ignorance, but what the world was the Music Factory?

Ok, I'm being an ass, but I don't want to remember C&C and the Music Factory, so please stop that.

[Robespierre]

You ever play C&C? It's when you're both NOD, and all either of you build is Flamethrower troops and Flame tanks, and you a-duke it on out. I thought everyone knew.

Would you like a medium tank with your pathetic cloak-cycles? Will that ore collector be destroyed here, or in the parking lot?

[jittus rye]

Red Alert 2 / Yuri's Revenge was a far superior command and conquer. I used to be nearly number one at the latter. Now the game went to hell after EA games bought the original company, Westwood Studios.

[Robespierre]

Red Alert 2 / Yuri's Revenge was a far superior command and conquer. I used to be nearly number one at the latter. Now the game went to hell after EA games bought the original company, Westwood Studios.

RA 2 was shite. Nothing can surpass the original Red Alert. Silly goddamn robots and lasers. Give me tanks and machine guns.

[Warrior413]

Red Alert 2 / Yuri's Revenge was a far superior command and conquer. I used to be nearly number one at the latter. Now the game went to hell after EA games bought the original company, Westwood Studios.
I agree. It was what got me really started on gaming. Damn EA...

[Slider]

I just wanted to make this comment, it's more of a suggestion to everybody on this forum, and in general on the net. This seems like the most appropriate place to make this comment.

As I go through these discussion forums each day I find many interesting and intriguing discussions over a number of topics and ideas. In a thread I may find much humor as well as insight into things I haven't thought about. When I first came here, it was quite apparent that these people were like me, they _get_ it. Some more than others, as we're all different, but we're all alike, in one sense or another.

Yet as I go through the forums I see something else as well. Perhaps this is inevitable, but it still sickens me. People doing things such as posting in caps, which while rude in e-ettiqute is forgivable, and getting a gentle "please stop" and eventually getting into a flame war about it. Questioning each other's INTPness, etc. There is a time and a place for this type of thing, and some of it is joking which I am fine with, but it sickens me.

Are we this immature? I give into it occasionally as well, and one or two arguments have drawn me into their clutches over trivial things. Frankly, just because you're the picture perfect INTP gives you no right to question someone's INTPness else for not agreeing with you. Also, frankly, why is this the default insult? I realize most of us, including me, are elitists but lord, can't we pick ourselves up at least the littlest bit from the gutter?

Frankly, I'm begginning to regret writting/posting this and considering trashing it, because inevitably two or three people will say "I think you're an F, you shouldn't care." But I do care, because this is _my_ medium of expression. this is where _I_ get _my_ problems out. When I have no where in the world that understands, this is where I hope to find, as a last resort, people who will if nothing else be able to say "I've been there man!" People, why the hell are we doing this?

I realize it's only the margins, but has anyone ever noticed that these margins have post counts in the hundreds from this? A few bad apples spoils the bunch. A thread that has this kind of side-tracking in it rarely goes back to the main discussion, as none of us can let it go once wrapped up in it.

Is it too much to ask that we deal with people of different opinions, and not question each other's INTPness or insult their [insert thing here] and spark a worthless debate for no apparent reason? Is it too much to ask to ignore these people when they do this, just let it go? Is it too much to ask not to take this shit personally, in reality it is just bits. The important part is the communication, and just like any communication we can choose to use it properly or abuse it.

I think this rant is brought on by alot of things, not just this forum, but this forum I see it in more and more recently. I blame no one but all of us, and I know other people feel the same way about all this, so I'm posting this. I only speak for myself though.

I'm done. Flame my opinion, reject my opinion, or agree with my opinion. Your choice.

wah wah. shut the hell up.

[heeroyuy]

Case in point. If you don't like it then don't bump it by posting :P

[Warrior413]

Looks like somebody played C&C a bit too much.

[Shai Gar]

wah wah. shut the hell up.
LISTEN MR NANCYBOY WHO IS PROBABLY AN ISFJ

SHUT THE FUCK UP YOURSELF, I THINK THAT YOU ARE A WHORE.

DIE WHORE

[heeroyuy]

*looks around for a second*

I think this is becomming a case study very quickly. Students, begin taking notes on the insults. Note the first insult made a vague reference, while this one directly accuses the other of being an ISFJ, which can be said to be an insult within this context.

Write out a series of events that might follow this and have it to me by monday.

[Warrior413]

They will make sweet love.

[Edmond Zedo]

wah wah. shut the hell up.
This forum poster is my kind of scum. Fearless and inventive.

[heeroyuy]

They will make sweet love.

The real question isn't the love, but if the loving shall occur down by the fire?

[Warrior413]

The real question isn't the love, but if the loving shall occur down by the fire?
It shall occur in a van down by the river, next to the fire.

[Shai Gar]

with you setting the videotape up before joinin in

[Warrior413]

with you setting the videotape up before joinin in
I feel so flammable. :(

[t]

in response to the original post...

ehh, sometimes i feel like i'm not a "typical" intp b/c of my borderline I/E (making me a rather sociable intp, i suppose), but ya know? who cares. i am who i am and i could really care less if someone accuses me of being something i'm not b/c ultimately i know the truth. i wouldn't sweat being called "less of an intp" b/c you should know what you are and what you are not w/o someone pointing it out to you. and testing as an intp doesn't mean you have to fit solely into a specific intp mold. we all have different degrees of intp-ness. although i do feel uncomfortable in a social situation, i don't really have much trouble meeting people. i'm sure this isn't very introverted of me, but there are qualities that make me an introvert - my preference for being alone, my inability to verbalize my thoughts & feelings, etc. and hey, i cry sometimes. sometimes i watch a commercial and bawl my eyes out b/c the music was so touching. i must be an F then (or getting my period... haha). blah blah blah. let's ignore the fact that i exhibit strong NT qualities. i mean, we're not zombies.

maybe i'm just not that sensitive to what others think of me, but i understand the fact that we do have varying degrees of I, N, T, & P so what someone else infers about my personality isn't really an issue to me. i highly doubt ANYONE is a textbook intp when it comes down to it.

however, i do agree with you when you say that the accusing one another of being less of an intp is pretty immature & petty. c'mon now. we have better things to discuss. maybe it stems from that intp fear of being "found out", so we're lashing out on one another to avoid the finger being pointed at ourselves.

[Biff_Loman]

ehh, sometimes i feel like i'm not a "typical" intp b/c of my borderline I/E (making me a rather sociable intp, i suppose), but ya know? who cares. i am who i am and i could really care less if someone accuses me of being something i'm not b/c ultimately i know the truth.

The weak I, I think, makes a huge difference in one's observed behaviour. Some people look at me funny when I describe myself as an introvert. Then again, the last time I took a Big Five test (which I believe measures I/E a little differently) I scored exactly even.

I think that's ironic, because when I was a kid my parents had to teach me to say "hi" back to people who greeted me, instead of ignoring them. :huh: I guess I've come a long way.

My preference for Perceiving is ridiculously strong (my life's achievements are a product of a swirl of events of which I am the center); ditto for my N (there's a world out there somewhere). I am very, very impulsive! Ultimately, I have few inhibitions and plunge into social situations flaunting my social ineptitude like it's going out of style.

Then I laugh as the people around me struggle to wrap their heads around my somewhat flamboyant eccentricity.

[Slider]

LISTEN MR NANCYBOY WHO IS PROBABLY AN ISFJ

SHUT THE FUCK UP YOURSELF, I THINK THAT YOU ARE A WHORE.

DIE WHORE


well, you certainly have a way with words. so boring and unoriginal. and I'm only a whore to my whims, anyway; certainly not to any dreadfully boring and linguistically-challenged young men.

[joft]

My preference for Perceiving is ridiculously strong (my life's achievements are a product of a swirl of events of which I am the center); ditto for my N (there's a world out there somewhere). I am very, very impulsive! Ultimately, I have few inhibitions and plunge into social situations flaunting my social ineptitude like it's going out of style.

Then I laugh as the people around me struggle to wrap their heads around my somewhat flamboyant eccentricity.
that is a quite good description of my social interaction, that is, if I ever have any. well, at least I'm that way with people once I get to know them. When I'm around people I don't know I'm usually just very quiet

[NGene]

It's the problem of any online forum that becomes popular - the more popular it is, the more idiots it attracts.

Of course, we could always ban people because of excess stupidity. ;)

Then again, the INTP forum would end up banning people based on how the mods and admins feel about them, which would kind of defeat the idea of a forum mainly populated by thinkers... ;P