Axioms

[jetboots]

Do you think that in theory, it may be possible to have one fundamental axiom to explain all our current axioms? "The theory of everything" In terms of actual axioms must have quite a lot in there. Im thinking like very fundamental axioms, not just an arranged system that makes sense if you take certian things to just be true. And not just physics axioms either, axioms of all sorts.

I think it may come down to two axioms, intuitively that’s what I think. It is as though it is what underlies the existence of the many many dualities that the universe presents.

[Lucas]

For physics, maybe. For everything, no.

[Aryan]

I think our scientific system which is built upon axioms is faulty becoz of the fact that IT is built upon axioms.

The basic thing depends upon our intuition and our senses, or observation. So it depends upon our belief. We cannot know the thruth if we depend upon axioms. So frankly, for a theory of everything there shouldnt be any axioms.

Instead we should try to develop a mathematical system that eliminates the need of any axioms. Then probably we can reach the theory of everyhting.

[Edmond Zedo]

"Don't do shit, Unless."

[Hazy]

A=A

:)

[Xenophon]

I think that the theory of constructive opposites comes pretty close. Like the Yin and the Yang from Taoist philosphy. I think of it like this: There are two forces neccesary for survival, the creative force and the ordering force, nothing can exist without both forces affecting it.

[jetboots]

I think that the theory of constructive opposites comes pretty close. Like the Yin and the Yang from Taoist philosphy.

Yes I think so too. I think that eventually it will be provable by the scientific method in many many hundreds of years, (if we are still around).

[Aryan]

I believe there are infinite number of medial elements between the two opposite extremes. But basically i think we shouldnt assume anything for proper analysis.

[ApeTheDog]

What if the universe was infinately more complex than we can see, and the only thing we are capable of learning with our limited minds is that which is always true or always false.

I think people learn, very early, the difference between 'GOOD' and 'BAD'. And everything else they learn in their entire lifetime they fit under either good, or bad. Even the notion of things not always having to be black or white is a 'GOOD' notion. It's smart. Smart being GOOD.

Maybe yin and yang is total crap, but yin and yang is the only way in which we can understand anything. A theory of everything doesn't have to exist just because everything we see just happens to point towards one - it could also be a flaw in our thinking that eliminates all the alternative possibilities.

[Clara]

What if the universe was infinately more complex than we can...
*huge applause* :cheers:

[Xenophon]

ApeTheDog: I think that you have a good point. The reason why everything seams to fit into the yin/yang categories is because it is the way our brain is structured. In another section of the forum they are talking about the two sides of the brain, the left which is basically a big comprehending/ordering machine (yang), and the right which is constantly generating new ideas (yin).

Though I could be justifying based on natural biases of understanding towards what I can know, if you look at something like evolution it seems to work on the same principles. For a species to evolve, it must do two things, it must be able to survive long enough to procreate (yang), and it must be able to mutate between generations (yin). Failure on either of these counts will ultimately lead to the destruction of the species. Eastern Taoist philosophers thought of the Yin and Yang as universal principles that were the behind everything in the world, and the same principles are the basis for a lot of the most important western philosophers works. Aristotle and the other great hellenistic philosophers were concerned with the difference between form (yang) and matter (yin), and descartes, perhaps the most influential modern western philospher was ultimately concerned with mind(yang)-body(yin) dualism.

[Edmond Zedo]

No time for the old yin and yang, love. I've just come to read the meter!