Enneagram 5x4 vs 9x1

[Oculus Sinister]

Does anyone know the similarities and differences between these two personality types?

[Autumn]

Performing a quick enneagram test I came out 5 and 9 with equal score. Taking wings into account it was 5w4.

[Jennywocky]

Does anyone know the similarities and differences between these two personality types?

Without looking anything up:

5w4 = Observer + "artist/dramatist"
Generally an INTP with a penchant towards the more humanistic/aesthetic topics of life. Existence is essentially a quest to discover truth & beauty -- which are basically synonymous.

9w1 = Peacemaker + Idealist
The peacemaker is interested in minimizing conflict and keeping everything balanced and stable. An Eight wing would make the Peacemaker aggressive against others in preserving the balance, or having a strong outer drive; the One wing makes it more an internalized set of strongly held values, that then provide an undercurrent for the Nine's behavior. So things are being judged but a 9w8 is more apt to try to force people to comply with "getting along" and keeping peace, while the 9w1 is more likely to provide a personal example of an ideal way to live and also challenge people to choose to live up to the same ideals. [That's my guess.]

9w1 and 5w4 get along in some ways. The Five's detachment and the Nine's drive towards peace/stability produce similar results; and the 9w1's sense of idealism is mirrored by the 5w4's drive to discover "passionate/beautiful truth."

Still, the Five values "objectivity" which is not the same as the Nine's sense of "peace." (the motivations are different, even if the results looks similar on the surface). And the Five is *searching* for beauty and dramatizing truth (i.e., chasing after something that he's not yet discovered in totality), whereas the Nine has that truth inherently inside of himself as his set of values, that he then bases his behavior on. There is less of a quest and more of a "mirroring" of a currently held valueset.

These are guesses.

My best friend here at church is INFP, is a Nine (I'm pretty sure) and I would guess leans towards 1, not 8. He and I have the greatest conversations; we share enough perception-wise to communicate well, but are still different enough to make each other see things in fresh ways.

One of the biggest differences is that I trying to find truth (and am always searching), whereas he already has his truth established and is learning more how to "live it out." He cares more about keeping peace and so sometimes lets his objectivity waver; though I value peace and hate personal conflict, I will chase ideas that inevitably result in conflict if necessary. I am more like the "calculating/experimenting aesthete" trying to understand everything by experiencing it, and I can allow myself to indulge in drama, sometimes becoming neurotic a bit in the process; he is more stable than me and not as dramatic, because his values are already set and he's not really experimenting.

Sorry this rambles, I am still exploring the ideas. The more I think about it, the more I know I could hone it down.

[lbloom]

I'm a 5w4 sx, with a heavy bias toward the physical sciences. I'm intense, but usually calm. I have reasonably healthy 9 scores, but mostly because I prefer to be calm and relaxed. I don't get particularly bothered by conflict, and will often make the first offensive move if I have a good point to make.

[Jennywocky]

I should probably note that my top three scores in the Ennegram test (clumped higher than all the others) were Five, Four, and Nine. It's pretty common for INTPs to class as Nines, if they don't class as Five.

[Oculus Sinister]

Performing a quick enneagram test I came out 5 and 9 with equal score. Taking wings into account it was 5w4.

I was equally a 5,4 and 9.

One of my concerns has always been aesthetics. Though, I am interested in harmony as well as it relates to the whole. I feel like something is missing in my life as well. Conflict can be stressful but I manage. I used to fear confrontation a lot but now I have realized how important it is to deal with and let go of things.

I think I am going to go to Barnes and Noble and research this further. I like how their is overlap with the enneagram vs. the Myer's Briggs test.

[Jennywocky]

I was equally a 5,4 and 9.

One of my concerns has always been aesthetics. Though, I am interested in harmony as well as it relates to the whole. I feel like something is missing in my life as well. Conflict can be stressful but I manage. I used to fear confrontation a lot but now I have realized how important it is to deal with and let go of things.

I think I am going to go to Barnes and Noble and research this further. I like how their is overlap with the enneagram vs. the Myer's Briggs test.

While I think I've seen a few posts here (?) bashing Dave Kelly, his Ptypes site has a correspondence chart (http://www.ptypes.com/correspondence.html)that shows how a few different type systems relate.

He actually compares 5w4 types to INTJs, and I can see how he conceptually got there, but in practice I don't think it works that way. (The leaning towards Four seems to make the Five "softer" rather than "harder" -- i.e., more P than J. Meanwhile, the structure/closure demanded by the INTJ seems to push him/her towards Six, if anything. I think a lot of INTJs end up being classed as Ones instead, to be honest.)

[Tony]

i just took the enneagram, and guess what...

5w4

[Shimpei]

Ha, I'm a strong 9 and most probably with a 1 wing if at all.

[Haiza Tyri]

It was a long time ago, but Jabberwocky, I really like your description of 5w4s vs 9w1s. I'm kind of both, but rather more 5w4.