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[KentOhio]

Hey, I'm a definite fan of Victorian architecture. I hope you have some in your communities. We have a good deal here in NE Ohio. Find out about the different Victorian styles here. My favorite is Romanesque, but it's unfortunately rare. Ask me questions; I've studied Victorian architecture pretty thouroughly.

http://users.rcn.com/scndempr/dave/school.html

[lexiphanic]

those are some fucking awesome homes.

[mgb]

Interesting, I appreciate the Romanesque Revival house a lot more than the Gothic Revival. I tend to favour function over fashion and prefer modern architecture but the Romanesque revival seems like the type of building that is able to stand the test of time.

[EdwinJefferson]

American housing always gives me the creeps.

[booyalab]

I was more interested in Edwardian architecture when I was young, but I still like it now. I wanted to live in a big victorian mansion with lots of secret passageways and hidden rooms (I assumed they all had them).

[booyalab]

American housing always gives me the creeps.
you dummy, Gothic revival started in England. ;P

[EdwinJefferson]

you dummy, Gothic revival was basically invented by the English. ;P

I know. But none of the homes look like it. Well, none I've seen. the Houses of Parliament are the most famous piece. Westminster tube station was rebuilt after the IRA bombing to look gothic and match it, yet also be modern.

[booyalab]

My favorite is Romanesque, but it's unfortunately rare.
There's a Romanesque style house by my old apartment, I'll try to find a picture of it.

[Boneca]

This house is great. It looks like something from a fairy tale.

http://users.rcn.com/scndempr/dave/schoolimages/romrev1.jpg

[EdwinJefferson]

It looks hideous.

I prefer this:

http://www.devonschool.co.uk/images/galleryimages/oldway.jpg

They filmed some of Churchill: The Hollywood Years there.

It's in the town I live in too, and was owned by the Singer family (who made sewing machines).

[Boneca]

It looks hideous.Perhaps this is why there aren't more of them? If everybody had the same taste as me, there wouldn't be so many square houses.

[EdwinJefferson]

Perhaps this is why there aren't more of them? If everybody had the same taste as me, there wouldn't be so many square houses.

square houses are equally boring, but turrets? they look so.. false and when you've seen real castles and been in real castles, you kind of think architecture which mimics it is a bit pathetic.

My opinion.

[mgb]

square houses are equally boring, but turrets? they look so.. false and when you've seen real castles and been in real castles, you kind of think architecture which mimics it is a bit pathetic.

My opinion.

I would agree with that, unless they can be made functional.

[booyalab]

square houses are equally boring, but turrets? they look so.. false and when you've seen real castles and been in real castles, you kind of think architecture which mimics it is a bit pathetic.

My opinion.

I'd rather live in a house that mimics a castle than a castle.

[Boneca]

I'll admit that the most beautiful building I know is this:

http://www.neuschwanstein.de/images/neuschwanstein_01_370.jpg

But since everybody cannot afford such places, I'll settle for less.

And why can't a turret be useful? Wouldn't a circular room be the optimal use of building material, since a given length of wall would yield a larger inside area if formed into a circle than than it would as a square?
I don't use my corners for much more than collecting dust anyway.

[EdwinJefferson]

I'd rather live in a house that mimics a castle than a castle.

As would I. Heating bills etc. But houses are too small to mimic castles. Mansions are fine. There are beautiful mansions in Scotland build to look like castles.

[EdwinJefferson]

And why can't a turret be useful? Wouldn't a circular room be the optimal use of building material, since a given length of wall would yield a larger inside area if formed into a circle than than it would as a square?
I don't use my corners for much more than collecting dust anyway.

How many bookcases/wardrobes/cupboards that aren't fitted can, can go in a circular room?

Fitted furinture is always a problem, as you have to rip it out if you want to change the style of the room.

[Boneca]

How many bookcases/wardrobes/cupboards that aren't fitted can, can go in a circular room?

Fitted furinture is always a problem, as you have to rip it out if you want to change the style of the room.Ah, but there is furniture that would work fine. I have a large round dinner table that would look perfect in a circular room.
Unfortunately, I haven't found a student apartment with a turret yet.

[booyalab]

As would I. Heating bills etc. But houses are too small to mimic castles. Mansions are fine. There are beautiful mansions in Scotland build to look like castles.
so if all of the buildings in the US were torn down and mansions and castles that are more functional than the ones in Europe, but in no way square, are put in their place, then would you be happy?

[EdwinJefferson]

Ah, but there is furniture that would work fine. I have a large round dinner table that would look perfect in a circular room.

That's a good use.

'Nights at the round table' and other such witty things..

[mgb]

so if all of the buildings in the US were torn down and mansions and castles that are more functional than the ones in Europe, but in no way square, are put in their place, then would you be happy?

Why you gotta be like that?

I prefer modern architecture. I like the clean lines and find it much more functional...

Post modern even more when you can blend your house with the natural surroundings.

[EdwinJefferson]

so if all of the buildings in the US were torn down and mansions and castles that are more functional than the ones in Europe, but in no way square, are put in their place, then would you be happy?

No because then they'd be mass-produced and boring. Plus what makes a castle cool is you know that it's been there a few centuries and not changed. The Scottish ones were built by Victorian playboys. I'll try and find a pretty picture.

[booyalab]

Why you gotta be like that?

I prefer modern architecture. I like the clean lines and find it much more functional...

Post modern even more when you can blend your house with the natural surroundings.

I'm not talking to you, I'm talking to mr.fakecastlessuckrealcastlesarebeautifulalthoughfunctionalityisgoodbutsquareisbadandtheonlyhousethatfitsthiscriteriaexistsinthemindofalunatictheend

[mgb]

I'm not talking to you, I'm talking to mr.fakecastlessuckrealcastlesarebeautifulalthoughfunctionalityisgoodbutsquareisbadandtheonlyhousethatfitsthiscriteriaexistsinthemindofalunatictheend

Seriuosly, why you gotta be like that?

That's not even a sentence. Ridiculous.

[EdwinJefferson]

I'm not talking to you, I'm talking to mr.fakecastlessuckrealcastlesarebeautifulalthoughf unctionalityisgoodbutsquareisbadandtheonlyhousetha tfitsthiscriteriaexistsinthemindofalunatictheend

Seriuosly, why you gotta be like that?

That's not even a sentence. Ridiculous.


Seriuosly, why you gotta be like that?

That's not even a sentence. Ridiculous.


Because it's so true. I'm not content with anything square and boring, yet turrets have to have a purpose and I'll probably have to design my own house to be happy with it.

(I'm helping redecorate my parent's house's hallway/stairwell/landing - who I live with still because I'm a mummy's boy - and I'm 'the designer' as such for it)

P.S. andjustbecauseyouliveinyourfancyrecordbreakingohnoallthesnowisgonethisyearstatewithyoursnowmobilesandwolvesandtargetstoresdoesn'tmeanthatyouhavebetterideasforhousesthanmeandturretsstillsuckiftheyhavenofunctionimeanwhowillbuythehousefromyouwhenyoudie?noone.they'lljustdemolishitandbuildanewSQUAREoneinapostmodernstyleormyonewhichwillbenextdoor,moreexpensiveandlookprettierandhavesomerosesinthegarden

[booyalab]

Because it's so true. I'm not content with anything square and boring, yet turrets have to have a purpose and I'll probably have to design my own house to be happy with it.

(I'm helping redecorate my parent's house's hallway/stairwell/landing - who I live with still because I'm a mummy's boy - and I'm 'the designer' as such for it)

P.S. andjustbecauseyouliveinyourfancyrecordbreakingohnoallthesnowisgonethisyearstatewithyoursnowmobilesandwolvesandtargetstoresdoesn'tmeanthatyouhavebetterideasforhousesthanmeandturretsstillsuckiftheyhavenofunctionimeanwhowillbuythehousefromyouwhenyoudie?noone.they'lljustdemolishitandbuildanewSQUAREoneinapostmodernstyleormyonewhichwillbenextdoor,moreexpensiveandlookprettierandhavesomerosesinthegarden

actually postmodern style is assymetrical. ;P

[EdwinJefferson]

actually postmodern style is assymetrical. ;P

and? I don't like symmetrical houses. They scare me more than turrets do.

And it's asymmetrical.

Edit: Oh I see why you said that. I look a fool now. Well. To clear that up... you can have a post modern square house because the room could be sloping in one direction. The windows could be styled to make it appear taller or wider. So ha!

[mgb]

And it's asymmetrical.

Why you gotta be like that?

[EdwinJefferson]

Why you gotta be like that?

Because I'm a spelling Commie.

[mgb]

But really, I would love to see cities built into one building and stuff like that. Functional to an insane degree. (sorry everyone just stopped posting all of a sudden at once)

[EdwinJefferson]

I'm sure I've read f places designed like that though. Whole new towns designed to fit a certain way. I know that Prince Chazza (Charles to those unfamiliar with chav nicknames for Charles) designed his own village in Cornwall, but then he is heir to the throne so he can pretty much have whoever he wants killed.. I mean.. have extra-marital affa.. I mean he can take the tax payer's mone.. I mean he's heir to the throne!

[mgb]

Even more than that. A whole town in one building. You live, work, play in the same place. They can hold hundreds of thousands of people.

I can't find a link but there has been talk of a modular "building" built of water that would link huge "bubbles" together in a triangular shape.

[EdwinJefferson]

I've heard of that too. Looked incredibly futuristic and like the 1950's footage of humans living on the moon by the late 20th century...

[Claverhouse]

I love all castles, even the square blockish ones. And fake castles are fine, especially the Scottish Baronial Style of the 19th century. Living in any castle would be ideal, however it should never be forgotten that they were designed for a self-sustained community rather than a family, so you'd need to gather some adoring serfs to do it properly.

The original pictures on this thread were pretty fascinating. In some ways America has it better, because in Britain, and to a lesser extent in Europe, the demonic local authorities, the governments, slimy property-developers, and infinite bad taste of ordinary people ensures that as every year goes by, more and more older buildings are knocked down, and filthy nauseating crap is put up in each case.

Never understand why Yanks call that period Victorian though. The tedious old queen of that illegitimate line was never your 'sovereign' and never claimed to be... [ Although 19th century US presidents were an equally unsavory bunch of freaks, to be strictly fair. ]



Claverhouse :ph34r:

[Slider]

Even more than that. A whole town in one building. You live, work, play in the same place. They can hold hundreds of thousands of people.

I can't find a link but there has been talk of a modular "building" built of water that would link huge "bubbles" together in a triangular shape.

why would you want to do that? that would suck to the Nth degree . . . neverending suckage.

[mgb]

why would you want to do that? that would suck to the Nth degree . . . neverending suckage.

It sounds bad, but it actually frees up space so you can enjoy nature more. I think it sucks less than an endless sea of suburbia....

[EdwinJefferson]

It sounds bad, but it actually frees up space so you can enjoy nature more. I think it sucks less than an endless sea of suburbia....

But not every job is suitable for such a transfer. A welder wouldn't be able to do all his/her welding at home. Nor would a lawyer. And so on.

Oh and I do know it doesn't mean.. at home.. just near it.

[booyalab]

I just thought of a castle that would be functional in an absurd, abstract way. If it were a perfect globe, every farthest point from the center would be the same distance. So it will work when they make shoes that hover. (that's functional in my mind because a lot of space is encompassed and accessible in the most compact way possible...if we could hover.)

[EdwinJefferson]

I just thought of a castle that would be functional in an absurd, abstract way. If it were a perfect globe, every farthest point from the center would be the same distance. So it will work when they make shoes that hover.

Or hoverboards.

[mgb]

But not every job is suitable for such a transfer. A welder wouldn't be able to do all his/her welding at home. Nor would a lawyer. And so on.

Oh and I do know it doesn't mean.. at home.. just near it.

Not if there are large "apartment buildings" within the building and seperate work areas scattered throughout lower mall areas. I'm thinking of a building that might take 20 or 30 acres (more) on the ground and be quite high (or have high components).

If its more modular the triangular pod building there would be different pods for different activities, so there might be a court pod and living pods.

[EdwinJefferson]

Not if there are large "apartment buildings" within the building and seperate work areas scattered throughout lower mall areas. I'm thinking of a building that might take 20 or 30 acres (more) on the ground and be quite high (or have high components).

If its more modular the triangular pod building there would be different pods for different activities, so there might be a court pod and living pods.

I'm thinking factories and such, I don't think the noise would be particularly nice either.

[mgb]

I'm thinking factories and such, I don't think the noise would be particularly nice either.

You would eliminate a great deal of automobile traffic and factories would be on the down wind edge (or not attached but still close) of the building/city.

There are still factories within cities, just strategically located so as to minimize the impact on surrounding residences. I don't think there would be much difference in a single large structure.

[EdwinJefferson]

I'm thinking huge huge factories.. factories can stretch for miles.. Where i live there are factories for miles, and I live on the edge of 'suburbia' (though it really isn't that, more a residental area of the town next to the countryside and factories)

I suppose the easy answer is 'those jobs aren't available in this city'.

[mgb]

I'm thinking huge huge factories.. factories can stretch for miles.. Where i live there are factories for miles, and I live on the edge of 'suburbia' (though it really isn't that, more a residental area of the town next to the countryside and factories)

I suppose the easy answer is 'those jobs aren't available in this city'.

It makes sense to have a lot of those factories near water because they quite often ship the goods they produce. I would say that it would be quite dangerous to have a factory becoming a city unto itself (see asian sweatshops) so there must be some way to integrate them into the city building the way there are part of the infrastructure of every city.

[Edmond Zedo]

You guys ever heard of the John Hancock building in Chicago? It could've been the first multi-use skyscraper. No factories though.

http://www.johnhancockcenterchicago.com/property_desc.shtml

[EdwinJefferson]

John Hancock? What a bastard he was. He was a bootlegger and lied about the British tea tax and such.. because he was illegally importing Dutch tea (which cost more even with though the British tea had a tax on it). He went on to say that the tea tax was the first of many more..

As for factories and shipping? Wouldn't know to be honest. It all gets taken by lorry/truck to some place. What about pollution from these factories (noise, smell.. as well as the 'usual' kind)?

[mgb]

As for factories and shipping? Wouldn't know to be honest. It all gets taken by lorry/truck to some place. What about pollution from these factories (noise, smell.. as well as the 'usual' kind)?

Well, there may have to be further refinement of pollution which isn't neccesarily a bad thing. These factories already have this effect on cities. Where I live, we have predominantly west winds so the residentials areas are mostly in the west and the industrial areas are in the east. I don't see why the building city would be any different.

I think the design of factories would also change and grow upwards as well. Why have acres and acres of land as floor space when you can have a couple acres of land and build vertically. There may be some products that need the space but I bet a lot of products don't.

[Claverhouse]

Well, there may have to be further refinement of pollution which isn't neccesarily a bad thing. These factories already have this effect on cities. Where I live, we have predominantly west winds so the residentials areas are mostly in the west and the industrial areas are in the east. I don't see why the building city would be any different.
Not just there: this is the usual pattern, which is why the better-off live westwards and the east sides were where the poor lived, and usually degenerated even more. However, I've just realised this might be different south of the equator: perhaps someone from Australia can tell us...


I think the design of factories would also change and grow upwards as well. Why have acres and acres of land as floor space when you can have a couple acres of land and build vertically. There may be some products that need the space but I bet a lot of products don't.
Or why not downwards, into the very bowels of the earth ? Seem sort of traditional: Venus's husband ( forgot name Hep something ) worked in a volcano to make things for the Gods; and dwarves generally worked underground in Norse myth...

That SF/Fantasy futurologist writer I mentioned, David Wingrove, had his Chinese dominated future filled with massive plastic housing cities woven in the air, I think. Revolting.



Claverhouse :ph34r:

[mgb]

Or why not downwards, into the very bowels of the earth ? Seem sort of traditional: Venus's husband ( forgot name Hep something ) worked in a volcano to make things for the Gods; and dwarves generally worked underground in Norse myth...



I wondered that too until I took a course on home building. The further downwards you move, the more pressure is exerted on the walls holding the dirt back. For a skyscraper it is easy to put some parking and whatnot down below, the foundations are so deep that a couple levels of parking stalls won't matter. But the construction costs to put an enourmous factory several (if not dozens) of floors below the earth would be horrendous. Not to mention that it might be nice for the factory workers to get some sun once in a while.

[EdwinJefferson]

I think the design of factories would also change and grow upwards as well. Why have acres and acres of land as floor space when you can have a couple acres of land and build vertically. There may be some products that need the space but I bet a lot of products don't.

There is a reason why factories have large floors as opposed to tall buildings, which if you've ever worked or studied factories you should know.

It easier to have a production line, in a line. Up and down movement means you have to get raw products up the top, which is harder than say if everything is together.. you deliver raw materials at one end of the factory and pick finished products up at the other. sometimes there are ramps and things like that, but these never restrict easy access.

[mgb]

There is a reason why factories have large floors as opposed to tall buildings, which if you've ever worked or studied factories you should know.

It easier to have a production line, in a line. Up and down movement means you have to get raw products up the top, which is harder than say if everything is together.. you deliver raw materials at one end of the factory and pick finished products up at the other. sometimes there are ramps and things like that, but these never restrict easy access.

I haven't studied factories but I also see no need to be restricted by what has worked historically.

[EdwinJefferson]

I haven't studied factories but I also see no need to be restricted by what has worked historically.

I can understand that, but the reason it works is because it's not economically viable to move stuff up and down.

[mgb]

I can understand that, but the reason it works is because it's not economically viable to move stuff up and down.

It will be when land is at a premium.

[EdwinJefferson]

It will be when land is at a premium.

and when will this be?

I think for that to happen, the world would have to be over-populated.

land will never be at a premium through out the whole world, if it is, that's when we're really in a spot of bother since it will have to mean that the sahara desert has been tarmaced over and the rainforest chopped up and just about every bit of sea that can be "reclaimed", has been.

As till then there will always be green field and brown field sites (brown field sites are areas which have already been built on, but are derelict or unused or whatever).

Interestingly, my only lecture yesterday, was from a guy who's a fully qualified lawyer, who teaches things like copyright and branding on the media/art/computers course I'm on, who was saying he built his own house from wooden blocks that fit together like lego.

I suggested at this point if he ever gets bored and turns his house into a fire station, a bank, or a submarine when he gets bored.

[Claverhouse]

and when will this be?

I think for that to happen, the world would have to be over-populated. It already is.

GB is 3x above optimum. ( We have circa 60m ).



land will never be at a premium through out the whole world, if it is, that's when we're really in a spot of bother since it will have to mean that the sahara desert has been tarmaced over and the rainforest chopped up and just about every bit of sea that can be "reclaimed", has been. To quote myself: 'If people didn't build somewhere earlier, there's a reason'. Most of the world's surface is fairly uninhabitable, and there's a water problem: too much salt-water around in the majority and not enough desalinated water to supply an increase of world population. Forget oil, future wars are going to be fought over water-supply.



As till then there will always be green field and brown field sites (brown field sites are areas which have already been built on, but are derelict or unused or whatever). Green land is needed for food-production and amenity. And it's always a pity when they develop brown field sites, putting up some ghastly concrete block. Brown field sites, which contain at least a bit of wildlife, generally look better than the rest of a British town --- which is usually an extended parking lot.



Claverhouse :ph34r:

[mgb]

Since there is also a world outside of England....

As the population of the world increases, food cosumption (and water) will become increasingly important. Food will become more important than amenities making factories truly secondary in importance.

British Columbia, a province in Canada, has already instituted a law where pre-existing farm land can never be used for anything but farmland. I think the world will see more and more of that over the next century.

[EdwinJefferson]

It already is.

GB is 3x above optimum. ( We have circa 60m ).

Liar. I see so many vacant places around me that to say it was full is just.. ridiculous.




Green land is needed for food-production and amenity. And it's always a pity when they develop brown field sites, putting up some ghastly concrete block.

In place of an uglier concrete block?

I go to university in Plymouth and until they started knocking things down it was the most depressing city I've ever been to, and the re-development it's going through will be ugly.. but far more functional than the tower block that it is replacing.

[QUOTE]Brown field sites, which contain at least a bit of wildlife, generally look better than the rest of a British town --- which is usually an extended parking lot./QUOTE]

I believe you haven't been around Britain much. Brown field sites don't contain any 'wildlife' you'd generally like. Unless you like rats.

[EdwinJefferson]

Since there is also a world outside of England....

That is annoying. Britain and England aren't the same thing. London may have a population larger than Wales, but that doesn't mean you should forget it. Or Scotland.

And water won't be the problem. There will always be rain and underground springs.. soft drinks..

[mgb]

That is annoying. Britain and England aren't the same thing. London may have a population larger than Wales, but that doesn't mean you should forget it. Or Scotland.

And water won't be the problem. There will always be rain and underground springs.. soft drinks..

Wow, you are so right, I didn't even think of that, Scotland is so much different than London when you compare it to Africa.

Way to look at the big picture.

[EdwinJefferson]

Wow, you are so right, I didn't even think of that, Scotland is so much different than London when you compare it to Africa.

Way to look at the big picture.

Compared to Africa.. which part?

Plus that wasn't the point. The point was you said England as opposed to Britain.

[mgb]

Compared to Africa.. which part?

Plus that wasn't the point. The point was you said England as opposed to Britain.

It wasn't my point either, I said there was a world outside of England. I realize that within the context of Claver's comments it could be misconstrued. But what I said was that there is a world outside of England, and there is, in fact there is a world outside of Britain.

[Claverhouse]

Liar. I see so many vacant places around me that to say it was full is just.. ridiculous.
Nope. There are far too many people around. A book edited by Teddy Goldsmith on ecology calculated 20m was the maximum GB could sustain failing our profiting/exploitation of other nations. We have lost the Empire y'know.




In place of an uglier concrete block? No, in place of those spaces between the ugly concrete blocks.


I go to university in Plymouth and until they started knocking things down it was the most depressing city I've ever been to, and the re-development it's going through will be ugly.. but far more functional than the tower block that it is replacing.


Brown field sites, which contain at least a bit of wildlife, generally look better than the rest of a British town --- which is usually an extended parking lot.
I believe you haven't been around Britain much. I grew up near Plymouth ( partly ), and it is very horrible: after WWII the planners actually rejoiced it had been bombed because it meant they had a free hand to make it as '50s & '60s ugly as their hearts desired. However, compared to Luton, and most towns around the London Basin, even Plymouth...

I went to about 16 different schools at least, and I've lived since the age of 12 in London, Devon, Cheltenham, Devon, Selkirk, Cumbria, Lancashire, Ipswich & Suffolk. My last ( stupid ) job involved travelling as far as Cornwall to Herts to Kent to interview moronic motorists. I also go to Scotland each year for the 1745 Gathering and to London & Windsor for Stuart commemorations.


Brown field sites don't contain any 'wildlife' you'd generally like. Unless you like rats.
I love rats.

BadRats (http://www.badrats.co.uk/index.html)

The Rats of Alpha Centauri (http://www.alphacentauri-rats.co.uk/)

Blackstaff Rats (http://www.blackstaff.co.uk/)


Up in Thetford last year, on a beastly job we were next to a derelict site covered in grass and droppings: but it had birds and flowers and stuff. Plus a big sign saying it was going to be 'developed' into a block of housing. One can just imagine how unpleasant they will look.



Claverhouse :ph34r:

[EdwinJefferson]

Nope. There are far too many people around. A book edited by Teddy Goldsmith on ecology calculated 20m was the maximum GB could sustain failing our profiting/exploitation of other nations. We have lost the Empire y'know.

Sorry, but I don't know who 'the great' Teddy Goldsmith is, and more importantly, it doesn't matter. If said man is trying to say that britain is over populated. I suggest he visits Cornwall.


I grew up near Plymouth ( partly ), and it is very horrible: after WWII the planners actually rejoiced it had been bombed because it meant they had a free hand to make it as '50s & '60s ugly as their hearts desired. However, compared to Luton, and most towns around the London Basin, even Plymouth...

Ah yes.. Luton. One of the few places I haven't visited. Along with the whole of Norfolk, simply because I don't have the time.

This is about architecture.. so.. apologies for huge image

http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~cyberheritage/plymouth/civc3.jpg



I love rats.

No bubonic plague links?



Up in Thetford last year, on a beastly job we were next to a derelict site covered in grass and droppings: but it had birds and flowers and stuff. Plus a big sign saying it was going to be 'developed' into a block of housing. One can just imagine how unpleasant they will look.

A block of housing up.. or around.. if it's up, I hope they asked those who will live there what they want, otherwise it'll be derelict in 20 years.

[Claverhouse]

Sorry, but I don't know who 'the great' Teddy Goldsmith is, and more importantly, it doesn't matter. If said man is trying to say that britain is over populated. I suggest he visits Cornwall.
I don't think he was 'great', besides which he's long dead and unlikely to visit anywhere except in spirit. He was a famous ecologist, and more unfortunately a brother of the equally late Sir Jimmy, a rapacious capitalist and newspaper magnate as daft as a brush: the book was written in the 1960s, and was a collegiate affair wriiten by a number of ecologists. But as I've no idea where I've dropped the pb I can't give the name; however the optimum is always fixed in relation to the amount of usable land.

Anyway, there are more than enough Britons in the world, let alone in our own land. Produce too many and they get vulgar and greedy. Like our own dear political parties...

Cornwall is a special case, like most of the outlying territories particularly on the west, compared to the heavily populated midlands and south-east where the jobs are. It also has the lowest wages, that no doubt being the Business idea on how to regenerate an area, and the most depressed people in GB. However it does have a large influx of others from the rest of the country, generally retired, who foolishly believe it has both the climate and cachet of the Cote d'Azur. Which helps depress the by no means cheerful-by-nature folk of the S-W.

However, judging by my visit last year, the individual bulk of each inhabitant is rising very fast. Some of them had to be squeezed into their car by equally heavy family members.




Ah yes.. Luton. One of the few places I haven't visited. Along with the whole of Norfolk, simply because I don't have the time.
You haven't missed much. In both cases.


If that's a view of Plymouth, it looks pretty standard for British towns. Miserable.




No bubonic plague links? Current thinking is veering away from the parasitic organism/flea/rat vector: however, even if so, it was a long time ago. You needn't still hold a grudge.

Besides, as in war, we've killed a lot more of them than they of us. So they have a more valid complaint against humans. Perhaps it's time for rats to inherit the earth.



A block of housing up.. or around.. if it's up, I hope they asked those who will live there what they want, otherwise it'll be derelict in 20 years.
Unlikely. Developers and planners operate on the principle that if you build a dump, people will then come.

[ Thetford is a semi-industrialised country town, and this was being built in an already rather derelict run-down street between the old terrace houses and the acres of modern executive estate housing. ]



Claverhouse :ph34r:

[Groty]

Click around in here for a while...

http://www.historicsavannahfoundation.org/neighborhood_victorian.htm

The city will help you fund restoration of the Victorian homes. They are trying to drive out the Slum Lords, so the rules are somewhat strict.

[mgb]

Anyway, there are more than enough Britons in the world, let alone in our own land.

:cheers: hear hear.

[Groty]

*mgbradsh wanders off in search of haggis*

[mgb]

*mgbradsh wanders off in search of haggis*

It's great to have Groty back.

[Architectonic]

But really, I would love to see cities built into one building and stuff like that. Functional to an insane degree. (sorry everyone just stopped posting all of a sudden at once)

I assume you mean arcologies and such?

I agree it is a great idea and in all likelyhood, the way of the future.


Forget oil, future wars are going to be fought over water-supply.

No, if you have enough energy, water supply won't be a problem.