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[DevNull]

Hello,

I'm DevNull. 35, most happily married and am a full 100% "I" who acts like an "E" online. I tested 19 months ago and have never deviated far from INTP 100 50 50 50 in any further test. The writeups of INTP's floored me and my life suddenly made sense. I ran with it. Bigtime.

My father is an INTJ (I pegged him as such beforehand) and my wife is an INFJ. I really have no friends although almost everybody I come into contact with wants to hang with me. Yeah, like that will ever happen. It even happens online a lot. I do lunch with the more interesting people but they always think I am very polite at first, then they think I hate them because follow ups are rare due to me not liking to "hang" much.

I built a room in my house called "Mantown" which is my "Fortress of Solitude". For some strange reason I also built a "Mantown II" which was modeled after the survival room in "Dawn of the Dead" (1978) but it has four standup video games in it.

I work in the compter field as a CTO for four companies.... drawing one check :mad:

Likes: Zombie movies, computers, the possibly-evil GOP machine (they intrigue me.. as do Randroids), Ren faires, Orlando FL, BEER!
Dislikes: Irrational people, zealots, sports... well maybe not Patriots football or Red Sox World Series games.

So, anyhoo, thank you for providing this great place, admin and posters alike. I run a chatboard myself and know the hard work. After browsing a few posts, I am quite impressed. I look forward to "hanging" :)

AJ

[garak]

Hi. :)


The writeups of INTP's floored me and my life suddenly made sense. I ran with it. Bigtime.
I think that has to be the most concise description of the "INTP self-discovery process" I've heard so far.


I really have no friends although almost everybody I come into contact with wants to hang with me. Yeah, like that will ever happen.
Haha, wow, you're actually the only other person I've heard say that. I'm the same way, although I guess I have a friend or two. Hard to decide if a given person is a friend or an acquaintance. No close friends though.


Dislikes: Irrational people, zealots ...
I can recall writing this EXACT same thing in the past. :P

And as I'm sure you've noticed, there's quite a lot of other computer nerds here as well.

How's the CTO thing? What do you do in your job on a day to day basis? What have you done in the past and whatnot? I've often thought that if I were to ever be some business type guy, it'd be something like a CTO.

[mgb]

Welcome, I think a few people are going to be jealous of your INFJ wife.

I haven't seen the old Dawn of the Dead, even though I have Day of the Dead. I hear Romero is making a new one.

[lexiphanic]

I also have many people that would love to hang with me. However, I value my time far too much to spend time with them.

[Biff_Loman]

I also have many people that would love to hang with me. However, I value my time far too much to spend time with them.

In theory, I am accessible. In practise, I am not. My closest friends are those people with whom I had excellent friendships but who have moved away; I maintain my relationships with them electronically.


DevNull,

I've already strewn posts about my love life across this board. Suffice to say that I envy you. I am married to an ISFJ, and my future with her is highly uncertain, at this point. In addition, I keep pining away after the XNFJ who I have also loved this entire time, and who has told me that, if things had gone differently, she and I would have been married.

I'm glad to hear that things worked out for you. . .

[Clara]

Welcome, Devnull.

That was well, put. I'll just go tear out some of my hair, now, that two more INTPs are singing a verse from that long ballad, "I Have No True Friends." :harhar:

(garak, I'd bet 2 cents those who don't say it in posts have said it in real life, at various times, until they decided that they get to define friendship in their own terms.)

Looking forward to many interesting discussions, DevNull :hello:

[DevNull]

Thanks for the welcome, all.

I can't help but feel like that bumblebee girl in the Blind Melon "No Rain" video when she finds the other bumblebees after a depressing video-long search that ends in much jubilation and bumblebee dancing. On the other hand, I am also feeling like Daffy Duck when he had the giant pearl and was screaming "mine, mine, mine!" because of Mgbradsh's prophecy that Biff fulfilled in no less than seven hours regarding my wife..... eerie :)


How's the CTO thing? What do you do in your job on a day to day basis? What have you done in the past and whatnot? I've often thought that if I were to ever be some business type guy, it'd be something like a CTO.

In a nutshell, I got jealous of my peers all making paper millions in the dotcom revolution, so I ditched my hometown full-service computer store in favor of a humble NetAdmin (mostly NT) position with a startup dotcom lawfirm in 2000. I had 50,000 shares worth 340K or so, on paper, when they tanked on 4th round financing. I pillaged the office, as I was the one who locked the doors on the last day, and was given word to "take what I want" by the owner who was in the Bahamas at the time. I lived large off the ill-gotten booty until my unemployment ran out then I sidled my way into a casual network maintenance job in a mortgage company on Cape Cod which bloomed into a full-time job where I picked my own title (CTO) and ran a crew of three then actually became a CTO when I became an officer/owner of one of the companies last year... and I might as well be an officer of the other three. We have 3 major (5-10 loan officers) functioning offices in MA and FL and a few lightly staffed satellite offices (for closings etc) plus the multitude of home offices. I wont bore you with the details of the other three companies which are home construction, government contract insulation, and database management.

What do I do? Everything. Purchasing, planning, implementation, management, maintenance, and anything else that can be done in regards to IT. They call me "I.T.". Usually a CTO has quite the crew, but I lost them all when the mortgage industry cooled down. My business card and resume look pretty sweet for a punk-ass who dropped out of Boston Latin School and only got a GED so's I could work for UPS when I was 21 for a very profitable seasonal job.

Now, don't get me wrong. I am no genius, except for the analytical department with all the dogged and relentless stuff. Hell, I feel like a fake half the time... that is until I think back to the accolades and gifts showered upon me for doing something that I happen to love doing. Solving problems. Truth be known, Google.com is half my being when it comes to.. umm... anything. If it goes down, I go down for the most part. It has never gone down though... yet. I can talk a great talk until I can get my mitts on the proper info source to solve it. People happen to like my visible passion and pure wonder when faced with a problem. If there is one thing I would cringe at watching about myself, it is the moment I am baffled and charged up about a problem. I must be a caricature of biblical INTP proportions. I swear some people screw things up to watch me in that mode.

I am going to stop myself here and save some gabbing for the other forum areas. I am worse than Bill Cosby with my long-ass stories for every situation. I will, however, make sure that my "business-type guy" title is tempered with the fact that I wear a shirt and tie once every two years (only to shock people) and say "Hey" instead of hello to the "suits" unless my boss were to ever instruct me not to. He never has, although I have altered my way for a couple of his more stuffy contacts, on first meet anyway.


I've already strewn posts about my love life across this board. Suffice to say that I envy you. I am married to an ISFJ, and my future with her is highly uncertain, at this point. In addition, I keep pining away after the XNFJ who I have also loved this entire time, and who has told me that, if things had gone differently, she and I would have been married.

I couldn't keep mental track of the dates of your posts that I have read sofar regarding your situation since I am new and overwhelmed. All I can say is "ouch" from what I have read sofar. It is times like this I wish I could muster up some emotions or something so I could relate and offer something tangible. For the moment, think of me as Robocop when he said "I can feel them... but I can't remember them" as I know I have been where you are on a less crucial level, of course, by way of I was only married once but have had a few long term relationships that sound wicked familiar when I read your posts. I assume you are under 30. Maybe this is a job for my wife.... although she has been known to get truthfully raw when it comes to dispensing advice and the next thing you know is that you'll be hearing the theme from Rocky in your head and causing irreparable trouble all over your end of the net. She is Irish and Italian. (Did I say "ouch" already?)


In theory, I am accessible. In practise, I am not. My closest friends are those people with whom I had excellent friendships but who have moved away; I maintain my relationships with them electronically.

EXACTLY! Unfortunately, all of my friends from many years ago are computer illiterate, so when we do the hookup thing every five or so years (which is *always* a hoot), they get these ideas of "Hey, let's do this more often" and I have to start planning a well thought-out kibosh. With my "four jobs", I find it much easier to duck out these days. I am not so good at maintaining electronic relationships with people I truly care for either, even though I want to be good at it. This mammoth post is due to the fact that I am all hopped up on Ketones right now. I found a great Atkins/South Beach solution that allows me to live a computer geek lifestyle and stay relatively trim with only a few weeks of work a year. (Another post, another time... heck I may write a book).

Thanks again for the happy welcome, everybody.

[DevNull]

I posted myself in the picture thread so no one gets the idea that my avatar is me..... or is it???........

[shaytana]

Welcome to the forums.

Your name rings a bell, what forums do you run?

[DevNull]

Your name rings a bell

I may seem to be typing in a normal manner, but I assure you that I am in hysterics right now. (Google the term "dev/null"). I have only personally used the name DevNull once, on the worlds greatest political forum and was banned within a month for my constant use of the F-word, which was auto-censored, but I figured an embarrasingly simple way around the censor routine.. much to the consternation of the moderator. I was not built for the emotions used in that forum but it still is one of the best political arenas I have seen to date. The rules are a model for my forum. I was rightly banned and only went out of bounds in order to settle a score with an online adversary and also to create a legend to confound another adversary who is still running in circles to this day to figure out which one of the other posters is truly me. I came back seven times and left hints that my eighth incarnation will not break any rules. He is still attacking random posters trying to "out" me, even though I am not even posting there.

The trick to being an online prankster/jerk is to always have someone in on the gag to make sure that you have someone to share the humor/madness with.

Oh, and to answer your question, I run capecodonline.com (quite new) and ran a Telegard BBS from 1989-1992.

[DevNull]

Oops. I have used DevNull twice. I am on my350z.com as DevNull. I did it as a favor to a co-worker to support an argument or something. It was a few years ago.

[garak]

How'd you defeat the filter? Put formatting tags in the middle of the word?

[DevNull]

No formatting tags allowed on most UBBs due to pranksters. Had to go with simple HTML charset: & # 102 (no spaces) makes an f as I am sure you know. No one has figured it out on any of my usual boards even though it is visible via a "view source". Even the admins have the power to censor the & # combo but none have bothered to research it. On UBB boards, you can even come back with the same name using the trick after a good banning. You can also spoof other peoples names using the alt-charset space on UBB. I was a terror for a while when I was bored. I only used it to smite my enemies though and never implemented such tricks unless I had another all set to go.

Script-kiddie stuff, I know, but it is wicked fun when you are in the land of admin weenies who work for big corporations. (I spent alot of time on newspaper forums who think they are all big media and stuff but cannot hire a decent online editor)

[Six]

I do lunch with the more interesting people but they always think I am very polite at first, then they think I hate them because follow ups are rare due to me not liking to "hang" much.
oh so true... my last one was some sort of a high-school buddy who doesn't even email me anymore because I declined one coffee too many...
his loss, not mine :p

Welcome :hello:

[Shai Gar]

Hi. :)


I think that has to be the most concise description of the "INTP self-discovery process" I've heard so far.


Haha, wow, you're actually the only other person I've heard say that. I'm the same way, although I guess I have a friend or two. Hard to decide if a given person is a friend or an acquaintance. No close friends though.


I can recall writing this EXACT same thing in the past. :P

And as I'm sure you've noticed, there's quite a lot of other computer nerds here as well.

How's the CTO thing? What do you do in your job on a day to day basis? What have you done in the past and whatnot? I've often thought that if I were to ever be some business type guy, it'd be something like a CTO.
stalker much?

[Shai Gar]

you sound interesting, i would like to "hang" with you some time, i am 21 australian and somewhat of an online forum prankster myself. whereatr_01@hotmail.com that is just for msn mgr i dont use hotmail probably talk to you later on in these forums

[shaytana]

I may seem to be typing in a normal manner, but I assure you that I am in hysterics right now. (Google the term "dev/null"). I have only personally used the name DevNull once, on the worlds greatest political forum and was banned within a month for my constant use of the F-word, which was auto-censored, but I figured an embarrasingly simple way around the censor routine.. much to the consternation of the moderator. I was not built for the emotions used in that forum but it still is one of the best political arenas I have seen to date. The rules are a model for my forum. I was rightly banned and only went out of bounds in order to settle a score with an online adversary and also to create a legend to confound another adversary who is still running in circles to this day to figure out which one of the other posters is truly me. I came back seven times and left hints that my eighth incarnation will not break any rules. He is still attacking random posters trying to "out" me, even though I am not even posting there.

The trick to being an online prankster/jerk is to always have someone in on the gag to make sure that you have someone to share the humor/madness with.

Oh, and to answer your question, I run capecodonline.com (quite new) and ran a Telegard BBS from 1989-1992.

Yeah, I know what dev/null means but I have met some other people on here that I knew from other forums so figured I would just check.

[DevNull]

and somewhat of an online forum prankster myself.

Rich. After reading a few of your posts I am curious as to the nature of your prankinshness. Boredom induced? Alcohol induced? Medication? What is the deal with your randomness that I have been witnessing?

I personally target propagandists and the like. They bear the bulk of my prankish side, although if a tasty opportunity strikes then there are few that are not fair game. Case in point:

I was working as an undercover security guard for a chain store (Zayre's woot!) and my security boss was a wicked yahoo wannabe cop type. You know the deal. He thought he was Mr. Authority and all into being the worlds greatest judge, jury and executioner. Think Dale Gribble meets R. Lee Ermey. I liked the guy though but I knew he was such a liability and a running joke. This guy NEVER smiled. Ever. Anyhoo, I am in the security office with him and he tells me to go out to the front door guard and tell him to come in to get measured for a new company uniform. I go out to the foyer and say "Oh, man. Oh man". The front door guard is a light skinned black kid who was laid back to the point of invisibility. He says "What's up?" and I say "The boss is on the rampage again and now he is measuring all of our (doodles) to make sure we are 'man enough' to stay on the job". The guard says "STFU, no way" and laughs nervously. I said "No, I am dead serious. I barely made the cut". Just then my walkie-talkie crackles with "Are you sending the door guard in here or what?". The guard leaves to go the the security office looking puzzled and a few minutes later I get another transmission from the boss, "DEVNULL GET YOUR ASS IN HERE!". I didn't cross paths with the guard but when I get in the office my boss growls "WHAT DID YOU SAY TO HIM? HE TURNED WHITER THAN HE ALREADY IS AND ALMOST PASSED OUT AND WOULD NOT SAY A WORD TO ME". I fessed up right away because I did not understand how this possibly could have got out of hand but it turns out that when I talked to the guard later, he told me that when he opened the office door, he saw the boss sitting at his desk repeatedly pulling out the measuring tape and letting it slide back in. The boss said to me that it was probably funny after all was said and done but that he was "Never to be the brunt of a joke again".

True story.

[Shai Gar]

that is pretty damn amusing.

my pranks are boredom induced and i target censorship and censorship activists, i cannot stand people who try to cover up the truth just to keep control (for example: the USA and its media war on its own citizens, and the same thing that goes on in australia) but i target their internet sites, get a few guys together and freeze up their sites so they cannot send out their false propaganda.

[DevNull]

the USA and its media war on its own citizens,

I am totally for truth. Nice cause, in theory.

However...... I detect undertones of a huge ass bias on your part. The USA *does* have a media war on it's own citizens, yes. I simply have not determined whether it is actually morally neccessary at this point. I applaud your blunt assessment though. My distrust lies in the origins of your quest.

To put it bluntly, you are an Aussie. You are. Aussies are fully disarmed and subject to every little demand by all levels of their government because they cannot say poo about it now due to said disarming. I am an American. I do what I damn please because I have the freedoms to do so. I was born with those rights and I was given the chore of preserving those precious freedoms by any means neccessary. Since I am of INTP temperment and of gentle nature then I am of no concern to the current administration. In fact, I am a sworn ally. Heck, I am almost a cheerleader for the current administration.

I only hope that the current administration can withstand my questioning in good humor and proper sportsmanship.

Et tu?

[Shai Gar]

I wish they could stand up to humane questioning, but the question is really should i question them in the same way that their client nations paramilitary(cia trained for the most part) question their nations disidents? Or should i question them how they would want to be questioned?
And i read far too much chomsky to ever be a fan of either majority parties administrations over the last hundred years

actually australias disarmament was totally voluntary and not something i participated in. in fact many of the property owners i know did not hand in their rifles or semi autmatic pistols. hell i have 2 remingtons, a compound bow, a colt magnum 44 and a heckler and koch P9. oh and 2 katana's that i am fairly proficient with since i am 6th kyu bujinkan.

but to prevent this becoming a political thread i have created a thread in rants and raves where we could continue this argument of australian and american governments here: http://forums.intpcentral.com/showthread.php?p=40437#post40437

it isnt really a bias because i understand that this goes on in most of the "civilised world" but america is the worlds strongest power so the fact that it goes on there is the most terrible as it puts the majority of the world in danger by misinforming its citizens and extending its empire with little opposition in its own nation.

[DevNull]

Hey Shai,

I hope you don't take my hazing the wrong way on the other threads. My modus operandi is to ask a few blunt questions and then test them and compare the results before continuing normal conversation. You are a good learning tool. You really are. Your politics are a wicked buzzkill in the way of us ever becoming fast friends but we share the same rampaging, take no prisoners zest for truth, so it's all good in that aspect. In ten years or so you may cool down, but I have seen your subtype actually get worse over time with the zealous thing.

Whatever makes you happy is fine by me so remember not to take any apparent challenge from me as a personal slam. My politics, while rough, do stay separated from personal matters in my own mind even though I never bother to convey it.

Keep on keeping on, as they say.

Dev

[DevNull]

It is now two years later and I feel I should clarify a few things about Devnull.

Devnull learns things for Devnull. If anyone learns something in my wake then all the better. I just don't get how a whole boatload of you all are into this whole globalthink thing where you get all bent out of shape when someone dares think in terms of personal greatness and aspiring to be rich and prosperous. Being rich and successful is fun and rewarding. People who choose to dwell in failure and whining about the successful people on this planet pretty much annoy me.

It comes down to this... Two years ago here, I find a whole bunch of people who supposedly share my way of processing thoughts about life and it turns out that over time the lions share of them are seemingly programmed to grumble about what other people told them to grumble about. With only a couple of exceptions, I am disgusted with the lot of you. Where is the independent thinking that I personally know? I tried a few (in my way) prodding threads and all I got was that I was "baiting". I am not baiting. I am trying to find a spark of excitement in a sea of sad sacks. I can handle the snippy tones, I can handle the aloofness, and I can handle the general lack of teamwork. All I keep coming back here for is the hope that someone can show love for breaking free from conventional groupthink in a manner that shows true individual thinking.

You think I am simply bitching? Go read the past threads on Rove posted here. Most (all) of you all are repeating what you have been fed. There is no happy discussion of possibilities. There is only fervent argument in the terms laid out solely by others. None of you are part of the Bush machine. You do not know squat about the truth of anything in those regards, even though you act as if you do. You are only observers and I use that term loosely. Very loosely.

I have a rule about complaining without offering a solution. Don't do it.

My solution? Devnull outta here. Greener pastures, baby. I may never find those pastures but I am not going down without trying.

If anyone cares to correct me and set my sorry ass straight, then I always welcome the slap. It has been done before and I have been thankful for the effort. I never wanted to change anyone here.. ever. I only wanted to volley around some thoughts without having to worry about bozos all grouping together with the same garbage that I find on DemocraticUnderground or DailyKos. Truth is truth but I state again that none of you are privy to the truth.

Finally, in closing, is this about politics? Not exactly. It is simply the fact that when I see each and every one of you who (retardedly) states something political as some sort of solid fact, it creates a nagging anchor that follows you into all other posts. How can I take someone seriously in a programming thread when they are stupid enough to think that president Bush actually wakes up and puts these far-reaching "evil" plans into motion. It is a real hard thing to seperate when trying to objectively analyze statements made here.

Dev

[naruto littles helpers.jpeg]

don't leave because of that. oh well, good luck to you anyway. finding people who agree with you is almost impossible. i seem to only find them in books. people are mostly dull and boring. we are very dull and boring. very very dull and boring!

[George_McFly]

I think DevNull is secretly Bob Dole. Dole is the only person who refers to himself in the third person. Observation is an INTP trait. When I hear somebody tell me they know "THE TRUTH," I they think are either a nutjob, the Messiah, or both.
I am also getting tired of the toddler temper tantrums. If you don't like INTP Central, don't rant and rave like a jerk. Just leave and shut the door quietly behind you. We will survive without you.

[DevNull]

Just leave and shut the door quietly behind you.

When a user leaves my board, I like an explanation.

I am no victim here. I was not wronged. I am not saying things should be in line with my views and beliefs.

I am saying that I do not believe this board is doing well in practical matters... discussion of current events and the like. Cycnicism and beating minutae to death is one thing, a good thing IMHO, but watching people repeat programmed information ad nauseum is plain sad. The pitiful ratio of useful questions to sheepish regurgitation bugs me. I know we are probably never going to crack a case wide open here, but when it comes to discussing a hot topic of current interest I find myself at odds with wanting to point out the folly of uttering a clearly subjective statement versus not wasting my time doing so for the umpteenth time.

So let me restate.

Unless some intelligent and/or random person feels the urge to correct my sorry ass, I am off to find a more free-thinking crew who is interested in finding truth (as I do not know truth so well as I know dozens of clowns who claim to know truth here). Sure, I will lurk and will probably be back someday as it happened before... without an explanation last time, I might add. Some topics and discussions are pure genius here. How can anyone not walk away enriched from them? The trade off is just not in balance lately.

No hard feelings, no names named as I am not really sure if any persons suck in being a detriment to my happiness here. This is not my board and if all y'all are content in the happenings then I honestly wish you all the best in the future. I am just writing what I would want to see written if the tables were turned.

Dev

Oh and thanks, Aleph. I know finding partners in crime is a tough thing. I do not settle, though. Settling for anything less than what brings one happiness is a disgusting failure in my book. The journey is the fun anyway. I didn't badmouth anyone here so I am sure I will be welcome back to relate my experiences if I feel inclined.

[garak]

Sorry to see you go, dev.

[DevNull]

Sorry to see you go, dev.

Thanks, Mack, but at this point I don't know if you are just being glib.

I'm off again. I may be back in a year or two as is my way. To me, you are all just depressing clowns with an inordinate amount of intelligence who waste it on being fuckups... so much so that I can't even bring myself to attempt to consider taking nary one of you all with me in my quest to make the most of life. That sucks because I am all about seeing a spark and riding that spark to greatness for fun, profit, happiness and all sorts of merriment.

Ferris Bueller may have been just a movie character but he represented something that is good in this life. You all either missed the point or never saw the flick. At any rate, it is not my job to make sure happiness is something you are within reach of.

Life *is* short. If you braniacs are worth your salt, then someday you may realize that you actually control your own destiny and may choose to do something about it other than cry about it and piss people like me off. If you choose to whine about your lot in life then so be it. If you choose to blame others for your shortcomings and failures then you get the middle finger from me... and a laugh or two. Hah. Hahahah. Morons.

Life is all about you. This place is nothing but excuses and diversions from personal responsibility.

Dev

[Deckard]

Didn't run into you much as i avoid the political threads. But, these sweeping judgments you're handing out from your dais of Truth are pretty fuckin' tiresome. But hey, i guess that's part and parcel of the traditional "i hate you all and i'm leaving forever" post. I think specifiying an arbitrary number of posts to reach before you leave is customary too - 400 sounds like a nice round number don't you think? It's also handy so that you don't lose face if you feel the need to posture a bit more, or write a nice inoffensive "peace out" post because you feel guilty after all the "we love you, don't leeeave!" posts, which i believe are also customary.

[kuranes]

Goodbye Dev. Don't let the door....etc.

[meshou]

If only we thought like you, we'd be individuals. :wacko:

Good riddance.

[Geoff]

Damn, my personality seems to be missing the "I could pretend to care" option.

[Gizmo]

Hi DevNull, I have no idea who you are but some of the points you've stated sound startlingly similar to an article written by (one of my fav. writers) Scott Adams, of Dilbert fame.

Are Smart People Dumb: dilbertblog.typepad.com/the_dilbert_blog/2006/11/are_smart_peopl.html
(Its a great essay, do yourself a favor and read it)

Heres a snippet:
Then, the horror.

It turns out that the people who join Mensa and attend meetings are, on average, not successful titans of industry. They are instead – and I say this with great affection – huge losers. I was making $735 per month and I was like frickin’ Goldfinger in this crowd. We had a guy who was some sort of poet who hoped to one day start “writing some of them down.” We had people who were literally too smart to hold a job. The rest of the group dressed too much like street people to ever get past security for a job interview. And everyone was always available for meetings on weekend nights.

[Google Monster]

:hug:

[Krill]

See ya. Too bad you and INTPc couldn't mesh well.