Height Poll

[Slava]

Just curious if INTP correlates with height. When reading the socionics descriptions for ENTP, I noticed that the physical description stated that ENTP's tend to be tall, and this made me wonder if height dictated the order of jungian functions.

[Vagabond]

OK... I just hope the converter I used is accurate :D

According to it, I am 5'7''... however, having both males and females voting in the same poll will give weird results, I think...

[Utopmk]

5'11.

[cloakable]

5'11

[Division56]

6'2

[Birdsnest]

Female, 5'1", and predominantly Welsh if nationality has anything to do with it. But I'm sure that parental genes have the most influence.

[Utopmk]

Short Changed
Why do tall people make more money?
By Steven E. Landsburg
Posted Monday, March 25, 2002, at 1:21 PM PT

Economists have known for a long time that it pays to be tall. Multiple studies have found that an extra inch of height can be worth an extra $1,000 a year or so in wages, after controlling for education and experience. If you're 6 feet tall, you probably earn about $6,000 more than the equally qualified 5-foot-6-inch shrimp down the hall. (Previously in this column, I wrote about the connection between beauty and income and weight and income.)

That makes height as important as race or gender as a determinant of wages. And it works for women as well as men. Even among female identical twins (whose heights can differ more than you might expect), the taller sister earns, on average, substantially more than the shorter.

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Height matters not just for wages but for ascension to leadership roles. When I served on the board of directors of a midsized corporation, I missed half the sights on the plant tours because I couldn't see over the heads of my colleagues—all of whom, unlike me, had considerable histories of success in the world of business.

Of 43 American presidents, only five have been more than a smidgeon below average height, and the last of those was Benjamin Harrison, elected in 1888. (Another three, most recently Jimmy Carter, were just a hair below average.) Most presidents have been several inches above the norm for their times, with the five tallest being Abraham Lincoln, Lyndon Johnson, Bill Clinton, Thomas Jefferson, and Franklin Roosevelt—suggesting, incidentally, that height predicts not just electoral success but a propensity to subvert the Constitution. (This statistical anomaly works in the other direction as well; the shortest of American presidents was James Madison, who largely wrote the Constitution.)

So, what's the deal? Why do the tall tower over the short in more than just physical stature? Does height breed respect, so that tall people get showered with riches? Or does height breed self-esteem, so that tall people are more likely to assert themselves? In other words, do tall people succeed because of how others see them, or do tall people succeed because of how they see themselves? That sounds like the kind of question you could argue for years and never settle, but three clever economists have gone ahead and settled it. Their names are Nicola Persico, Andy Postlewaite, and Dan Silverman of the University of Pennsylvania, and they've uncovered a key bit of evidence: Tall men who were short in high school earn like short men, while short men who were tall in high school earn like tall men.

That pretty much rules out discrimination. It's hard to imagine how or why employers could discriminate in favor of past height. If tall adolescents—even those who stop growing prematurely—grow up to be highly paid workers, it's got to be because they've got some other trait that employers value. Persico, Postlewaite, and Silverman believe that trait is self-esteem. Tall high-school kids learn to think of themselves as leaders, and that habit of thought persists even when the kids stop growing.

If not self-esteem, what else could it be? Are tall kids better-nourished? Do they come from wealthier homes or have better-educated parents? Are they smarter? Do they mature early and therefore get more out of high school? One by one, the Penn economists considered and eliminated these hypotheses by examining relevant data. That leaves self-esteem—and very specifically, self-esteem in adolescence. Height at age 7 or 11 turns out to have no impact at all on future wages. But height at age 16 makes all the difference in the world.

Why should adolescent self-esteem be so significant? Partly, perhaps, because self-esteem, once learned, lasts a lifetime. But partly also because a kid with self-esteem is more likely to join the teams, clubs, and social groups where he learns to interact with people. And that participation is clearly valuable. The economists report that "after controlling for age, height, region and family background, participation in athletics is associated with an 11.4 percent increase in adult wages, and participation in every club other than athletics is associated with a 5.1 percent increase in wages." These effects account for part, but not all, of the wage premium for adolescent height.

Or the causality might go the other way: Maybe it's not self-esteem that gets you to go out for the chess club, but success in the chess club that breeds self-esteem. What we do know is that shorter kids tend to avoid extracurricular activities, and those activities are clearly associated with success in later life.

Did Lincoln free the slaves and Clinton lie to the grand jury because they learned in adolescence that they could dominate others through their height? Of course, it can't be quite that simple. But thanks to Persico, Postlewaite, and Silverman, we really do know a lot more than we used to about how and why the very tall are different from the rest of us.


I've never understood this about people. Height is not important to me, and I don't know why people would hold in higher regard, someone who is taller, than someone who is short. I notice that women choose their mates based on who is taller(which they will deny), and employers choose their employees based on height , this process of natural selection is very primal, and just another obstacle that we need to overcome.

[adamjaskie]

6'2"

[Google Monster]

6'1"

[HairlessBluetick]

5'5

[Jezebel]

[quote]
I notice that women choose their mates based on who is taller(which they will deny), and employers choose their employees based on height , this process of natural selection is very primal, and just another obstacle that we need to overcome.

I don't deny it. I have a strong preference for guys who are at least 6', and also prefer guys who are significantly bigger than me (but I don't mean fat or muscular). However, I do think it's ridiculous for employers to use height as a factor in deciding who to hire and the wages of their employees.

[NGene]

GAH! I want my METRIC SYSTEM! NOW!

*finds an online converter*
*calms down and votes in the poll*

5'1. Yeah, I'm a shorty, but I like my physical appearance. As a woman, I'd rather be very short than very tall.

[paladinoflunaria]

I rolled a 5 (2d10) on my height score!

I'm 5'3", NGene, but I'm a male. It's ok though, cause I'd rather be short or middle-short in height.

I like short women; even if I was tall I would. :D It's cool being able to see eye-to-eye, or in the case of taller women, eye-to-breasts. B)

[Melody]

Yeah, who the hell came up with this inch B.S? Or, more importantly, who the hell keeps using it???

[Utopmk]

I like short women; even if I was tall I would. It's cool being able to see eye-to-eye, or in the case of taller women, eye-to-breasts.

But if they are tall:

Toe to toe, and you have your face in it, face to face and you have your toe in it. ;) :ph34r:

[Odyssey]

LOL it stops at 6 ft? I'm 6'5", male late teenager. Utopmk, that article is RIGHT on. If anyone's curious, I'll speak from personal experience about height bias:

One downside of height wasn't really mentioned above, I think. My height [combined with above-average strength] intimidates some people and they get defensive, which can be inconvenient. It is good, however, as a barometer of another person's self-esteem! I prefer assocations with high self-esteem individuals, since they can physically look up to me and still hold their own. And, it's true that being tall gives you a free extra bonus of self-esteem (you feel more in control). It's totally illogical nowadays. However, if the instincts are there, I'm going to harness them towards my aims!

When interacting with people of good self-esteem, (including the majority of employers) height seems to increase charisma. It actually is a benefit to a corporation to have tall individuals, because they tend to be more naturally charismatic and persuasive to most people. Depending on the job description, that can help foster a healthy team environment, or they might function as good representatives or speakers or whatever. Of course I doubt the employer is thinking this, but people are swayed by charisma. Height is just a form of luck of how much baseline charisma you get.

The fascinating part from Utopmk's article, though, is that self-esteem from height solidifies in adolescence o_O (At least that means I'm in good shape! *cough*) It's important to note that I don't feel guilty about leadership from superficial reasons, because I have a good brain to match.

~Odyssey

[Claverhouse]

5' 10.5" Average for a male. I agree with Vaga there should be two polls, one for girls, one for boys. Anyway, since all people are getting taller according to generations, it would have to be correlated with age...


Claverhouse :ph34r:

[Melody]

Yeah, and also the gravitational effect, where the gravitational pull of the earth is decreasing every year.

[Johnny]

I'm 6ft. 1in. tall, but your poll here may not offer much more than evidence that people less than 6ft. tall are less willing to offer information regarding their height...and perhaps not even that in the end...

[Avengardh]

5' 5" plus about .5 of an inch, perhaps as much as 2/3.
I grew recently after I was really sick with a fever, I found that interesting.

And yes, I agree with all who said gender should be separated.
If ethnicity has to do with anything, I'm Mexican, but we seem to be in fairly tall-terms compared to most other Mexicans (by that I mean my family and I).

I disagree with having preference for tall people, I guess maybe it's because my last bf was 6' 4", didn't really appreciate it though. I can do 5' 11", but I think that's as tall as I would prefer (not like it still depends on the person however).

~*Aven*~

[Strephonade]

5'4", approximately.

[ohnoaninfp]

I am 5"4, but I am not an INTP so it doesan't really matter.

[BritainOphira]

5'4"-ish, not too tall too stick out in high school, but not too short, either. It was great back in sixth grade when I was the same height (I always got the top locker, I could see over the crowd of 4'11" shrimp during assemblies, etc.), but then again, not growing at all for five years doesn't really do much for you.

[BritainOphira]

5'4"-ish, not too tall too stick out in high school, but not too short, either. It was great back in sixth grade when I was the same height (I always got the top locker, I could see over the crowd of 4'11" shrimp during assemblies, etc.), but then again, not growing at all for five years doesn't really do much for you.

[nobarcode]

I'm 5'10" (5'11" on a high self-esteem day).

And before anybody asks, I weigh 155 Lbs, have brown eyes, short black hair (wavy when it's long), slim but athletic build. I'm half Italian, half English. :D

[The Architect]

6'3", 165 Lbs, very blue eyes, blondish brown hair (bleaches out in the sun), lanky but athletic, European mut (mostly German I suppose)

[int]

5'10' 152 lb european mutt.

Everytime my mom sees me she comments on how I've grown. But I've been the same height since I was 19.

...maybe I need to visit her more.

[Division56]

One downside of height wasn't really mentioned above, I think. My height [combined with above-average strength] intimidates some people and they get defensive, which can be inconvenient.


I agree. Except I think it makes some jealous too. :ph34r:

[paladinoflunaria]

I'm not jealous of height, with the exception of the prejudices that get tossed at shorter people, especially guys. I'm not sure how this is dealt with outside the US, but it sucks here. My height may be a key reason on why I'm 17 and have never even been asked on a date (unless it was a joke) in my life.

3 to the 5th posts!

[jittus rye]

I'm a guy and I'm about 5' 6" about 125 pounds. I am a male. I think I am pretty well off. I like females that are both taller and shorter, or the same, doesn't really make much difference.

[Jkrs]

5' 3"

[file cabinet]

I can't remember if I posted in this thread, I'm 5'4" ish at 120lbs

[MacGuffin]

6'2" here.

Of course I married a 5'2" girl.

[MasterMerk]

5'5.5" male.

Honestly, I am not bothered by it at all.

[Spartan26]

I can't remember my last accurate measure 6'1 - 6'2 range

[Crazy]

5'9" 168lb dirty blonde hair, hazel eyes, athletic build, male, 24yr old.

[Star Cannon]

Anyway, since all people are getting taller according to generations

I'm five nine over here.

Uh-uh. No. The people in my highschool continue to be MIDGETS!*shakes head* I swear, too much caffiene and not enough sleep might stunt a persons growth. There are fifteen year old adolescent women who STILL haven't reached being '5"5 or even '5"3. :mellow:

Genetics may have a lot to do with it but how can bones grow when there's nothing to build with? :( :nerd:

Star Cannon

[shaytana]

I'm 5' 10"

[Claverhouse]

Anyway, since all people are getting taller according to generations

I'm five nine over here.

Uh-uh. No. The people in my highschool continue to be MIDGETS!*shakes head* I swear, too much caffiene and not enough sleep might stunt a persons growth. There are fifteen year old adolescent women who STILL haven't reached being '5"5 or even '5"3. :mellow:

Genetics may have a lot to do with it but how can bones grow when there's nothing to build with? :( :nerd:

Star Cannon


Perhaps it's a Western European thing ( I would say British, but the Dutch are now a lot taller ), but one regularly sees, say 16 yr-olds of over 6' when they would have been just under 10-15 years ago. ( Although equally, one sees quite a lot of tiny young women & for kids around 6 - 12, an awful lot of them are expanding horizontally, lack of running about I guess, as previous kids did ).

But my point was on a longer term basis, since the scientists assure us that we have steadily grown taller since the middle ages. Average of about 5' 4" for men in the 16th century ? Average about 5' 10" now ?
I've no information on height in the stone ages, but I'd guess under 5'.
Not that I could see us progressing past 7', as this sequence implies.

( Since I probably won't ever have a chance to mention this, could I just say that it always seems extremely annoying of evolutionists never to illustrate our glorious past between the two periods:

Reptiles to Lemurs

Lemurs to Primates

You see plenty of imagined pictures of our life as Primates, and of our life as Early Man-like creatures. But they never show us as Rat-like creatures or us as early Reptiles.
Leaves a lot to the imagination. ).

Just mentioning it. :D


Claverhouse :ph34r:

[CosmicDust]

5'3.5''. I answered 5'3'', since I'm not sure whether I'm really closer to 5'4'' (the .5 is inexact). I'm female, so that puts me at low-average height. (Average height for female Americans is a little over 5'4''.)

[Anacaona]

I think I'm about 5'3"... I use to want to be taller, but now I'm ok with that height...

[MacGuffin]

I like how there is an option for every inch between 5' and 6'. But only one option for those 6' and over (sixteen of us presently).

I guess we can safely assume the author of the poll is not tall.

[Sam172]

6'2" and happy with it :)

Though i'm not exactley tall in comparison to many people, I feel i'm a nice height :)....however I do have a habit of hitting my head on low lampshades, which other people effortlessly glide under....and the tops of double decker buses :p

[purple13]

5' 11 3/4"

[ainoassassin]

5' 8" and female. I somehow managed to be 2 inches shorter than my twin :(

[EternalCynic]

5'8" :).. taller than all of my family (Yay!)

[Nindy]

5'4", female, but I'm still growing:)

[booyalab]

5'8" when I concentrate on my posture. I love my height.

[jimkopelli]

How have I managed to not post in this thread?
Six even. My dad is six four... apart from him, everyone else in my family on both sides is pretty short.

[t]

5'0", female... and very italian, so i'm guessing that's why.

[Zero Angel]

6'2" :: The parental advice about coffee stunting growth is ALL LIES!

[MacGuffin]

6'2" :: The parental advice about coffee stunting growth is ALL LIES!

Maybe you would have been 6'6"....

[smellysock]

Somewhere between 5'11" and 6'0" - I am still not certain with my 182 centimeteres of height...

[cjs55]

6'1 and a half. Its a nice height to be. The number has something going for it aesthetically too. Of course I think my initials do as well, so I think I'm just biased towards things that are related to me...

[flan2dave]

6'3". My mom tells me the Dutch tend to be tall.

[Solo]

6'0

[Bad Christian]

5'6. I tend to think that my shortness spurred my INTP tendencies - I couldn't be an extrovert because I wasn't tall enough to assert myself well enough, and I could clearly see how height affected the heirarchy of dominance that you see everywhere.

It doesn't bother me that much anymore. I'm used to being short, and I'm still holding out hope that I'll grow a few inches. My uncles did... :unsure:

[Clara]

170 centimeters

Hush, I've been wondering about the preponderance of North Americans, myself... Inches, indeed. (However :) today, Melancholeric, from Finland, joined)

Imagine if we could change shapes/heights, on dressing in the morning... so that we all could "see" what differences of perception height may bring ... I wasn't surprised, for instance about the tall bf not noticing...

[Durroch]

5'8"

[jjt]

Female, 5'2" first thing in the morning, 5'1 1/4" in the evening.

Do taller people have more shrinkage during the day?

[Edmond Zedo]

A meter ninety-three.

[franzgold]

I think this poll is prejudiced against tall people. We need more granularity to distinguish those who are merely 6' from the freakishly tall. :D

[Biff_Loman]

6' even, male.

[philosupial]

It might be better to split this up between male and female, since all this poll seems to show is that there are more men taking the poll than women, since the average height is over 6 ft.

[matthew0028]

Done.

Men: http://forums.intpcentral.com/showthread.php?t=1969
Women: http://forums.intpcentral.com/showthread.php?t=1970

[Valtro434]

6'5"

[Valtro434]

Many people are over 6'0" tall, especially in the US.

Also - the socionics description of how a type looks is pure unadulterated voodoo.

I am tall, but I have a good chin and while I am fat :) I am very much a mesomorph, not a toothpick described by those vindictive half wits at socionics.

Lets see some data to support their conclusions - ha!

[Edmond Zedo]

Many people are over 6'0" tall, especially in the US.

Also - the socionics description of how a type looks is pure unadulterated voodoo.

I am tall, but I have a good chin and while I am fat :) I am very much a mesomorph, not a toothpick described by those vindictive half wits at socionics.

Lets see some data to support their conclusions - ha!
Their descriptions are only supposed to be common to the types, not rules, but they seem to give socionics an undeserved bad rep.

[Valtro434]

How is it even possible, what is the basis? I fid is so preposterous that I can scarecely talk of it seriously.

[Edmond Zedo]

Their 'descriptions' are a bit flaky, but VI is not. I can ID some people on sight with greater accuracy than a test. I don't think everyone has the right kind of brain for it. Read up and see what you're made of.

[Karine_PsychInTraining]

I am 5'9" and my parents are 5'4", french-canadian,not that i assume that is will make a difference

[Helios]

6'1.................6'2 prior to femur shaddering skiiing mishap

[Sir Isaac Lime]

6'6

[misutii]

i'm 5'9, 125lbs, i like wearing shoes with thick soles... always contemplated platforms

[Heather Harrison]

I'm 170cm/5'7". For me, it is a perfect height - not too short and not too tall. Normal-sized clothes fit well and are easy to find, and I don't bang my head on all kinds of things like my taller friends do. Plus, I fit in normal-sized cars and normal-sized beds.

Heather Harrison

[Pedro_The_Lion]

Only INTPs should vote correct? 5'10"

I think the descriptions of height are relative to the culture meaning a "tall" ENTP pygmy would be taller than his respective peer group. So maybe the poll should be done as percentages compared to averages of various ethnic groups. Unfortunately no such data exists to my knowledge.

[Miss Anthropic]

How the hell could there be a correlation between height and personality type?

[J.L. des Alpins]

Height matters not just for wages but for ascension to leadership roles.If that were valid in any way, Bonaparte, at 5’6” would be the tallest man ever, or, put differently, pro basketball players at around 7’ average would all be political leaders, corporate executives, and organizations chairpeople.

This is nonsense. Whoever favors heights for leadership roles must not be INTPs.

I can only imagine the hardship suffered by very tall INTPs by being visible by everyone wherever he/she goes.

I’m 5’10”, about the average, and I wouldn’t want it any different.

[sowega]

I am an INTP fremale and am 5 ft 4 ". Also, unlike my ISTJ mom whom is a platinum blonde and has blue eyes, I have dark eyes and very dark curly long hair.

Anyways, all I can say is that I am glad I am not tall, because I'd be doubly intimidating!

[sbw]

I am an INTP fremale and am 5 ft 4 ". Also, unlike my ISTJ mom whom is a platinum blonde and has blue eyes, I have dark eyes and very dark curly long hair.

Anyways, all I can say is that I am glad I am not tall, because I'd be doubly intimidating!

you sound hot. and not intimidating.

Scott

[ApeTheDog]

187 centimeter = 6.1351706 feet

[PiccoloNamek]

6'0''

[In...TP]

6'0" Barefoot, I've shrunk 3/4". In high school, I could jump and touch ascending wood blocks at 11'3". I could two hand dunk a basketball.

[ed_dunn84]

6'2

[waxwing]

5'2''

[Watermark]

5'7"

[philonightmare]

5'3"

[cwazyonyx]

6'1"

[Chrysalii]

about 6'1"
I've been the same height since 8th grade

[Shadow]

6' 4" here.

[smash0gre]

I'm 6'5", male late teenager. Utopmk, that article is RIGHT on. If anyone's curious, I'll speak from personal experience about height bias:
I'm 6'5", male late teenager.
wait until you start going into bars and clubs. there's always gonna be some squat moron with a chip on his shoulder - and you're the biggest guy in the joint.

have fun.

buck nintey-three here, with 114 kilos wrapped around it.

that's 6'4" and 250 for you slaves to the imperium

oddly, i'm still pretty invisible. it's been pissing me off lately.