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immortalmack
21 Feb 2007, 06:16 PM
Liberty cannot be established without morality, nor morality without faith.(Alexis de Tocqueville)

Will any middle eastern countries ever have liberty?

Jasz
21 Feb 2007, 06:27 PM
so there is no morality in islamic cultures?

PenguinHunter
21 Feb 2007, 07:26 PM
uh oh

immortalmack
21 Feb 2007, 07:26 PM
When I see the the word faith I of course think about Christianity. It is a free religion in that you are free to interpret it any way you like without harm from your neighbor. Islam is not like this and the tendency to be fundamental and strict is apparent. Arabs are not at a stage of development that would allow men to be free, hence the motivation to always resort to sharia law when forming a government. liberty type governments need education and understanding in order to operate.early european settlements prolly did'nt have a sytem of education but some degree of understanding is needed to form organiztion. If education is not present then understanding is limited. If understanding is limited then superstition and mysticism will run rampant and every old man becomes feared because of his "knwledge of God".
Education imparts a responsibility and industriousness which causes men to be accountable and self-reliant.....thereby leading governace and leadership.

htb
21 Feb 2007, 07:32 PM
Liberalization in the Near East is generally slowed, and in some national cases prevented, by an authoritarian or totalitarian monopoly of power -- culture and religion are reactants, not catalysts. Proof positive of this would be the totalistic administration of the Christian church, roughly from the late first millennium to the Enlightenment.

Ellipsis
21 Feb 2007, 08:36 PM
When I see the the word faith I of course think about Christianity. It is a free religion in that you are free to interpret it any way you like without harm from your neighbor. Islam is not like this and the tendency to be fundamental and strict is apparent. Arabs are not at a stage of development that would allow men to be free, hence the motivation to always resort to sharia law when forming a government. liberty type governments need education and understanding in order to operate.early european settlements prolly did'nt have a sytem of education but some degree of understanding is needed to form organiztion. If education is not present then understanding is limited. If understanding is limited then superstition and mysticism will run rampant and every old man becomes feared because of his "knwledge of God".
Education imparts a responsibility and industriousness which causes men to be accountable and self-reliant.....thereby leading governace and leadership.


As I remember (correct me if I am wrong) Islam allowed the exploration of science in a time when Christianity was not too much in favor of such exploration. It is a free religion in that you are free to interpret it any way you like without harm from your neighbor. History has more then proven this statement false as well?although a religion may stand for something at a time it is after all interpreted by a society and as such a religion can become something totally opposite to its? original doctrine (basically it is all about choosing which parts to highlight and which to black out thus a ?Bible? of one time may totally be opposite to one of another time.) . Islam is not like this and the tendency to be fundamental and strict is apparent. Christianity is also limited as are other religions and Christianity in its own forms can be fundamental. (For example look at the Christian school which banned Al Gore?s documentary thereby limiting education and development of not only political stability but environmental stability). Furthermore the rest of the post can be interpreted as a summery of Christianity as much as it is of Islam.

It is not the religion which has caused this instability but rather greed, and the effects of our own past actions.

immortalmack
23 Feb 2007, 02:11 PM
As I remember (correct me if I am wrong) Islam allowed the exploration of science in a time when Christianity was not too much in favor of such exploration. .

At what time was this.

nfinityi
23 Feb 2007, 02:22 PM
At what time was this.
Pretty much from the fall of Rome up until the European Renaissance.

cold
23 Feb 2007, 02:54 PM
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