Counterphobics Are A Disease

[Oculus Sinister]

including myself. Why is that? Why do INTP's always go off on these stupid tangents explaining crap to people? Make yourself aware, fellow INTP, noone gives a shit about your 40 minute explanation. Also, correcting others about word meaning and usage just disrupts the flow of conversation and insults the person who you are speaking with. Not everyone analyzes every nuance of language.

Edited from the original title, "INTP's are boring", in an attempt to shed light on those who project their fears onto others. Not specific to INTP's, but the kind of individual who engages in the preceding behavior. Original paragraph and resulting posts will be left unchanged.

Honestly, I had thought a lot of individuals to be INTP based on the original paragraph's description. Later posters have proven otherwise. Thus, I attempt to get to the core of those who engage in the previously stated behavior by referring to them as counterphobic. Any correction or explanation of different circumstances welcome. Please discuss.

[outmywindow]

including myself. Why is that? Why do INTP's always go off on these stupid tangents explaining crap to people? Make yourself aware, fellow INTP, noone gives a shit about your 40 minute explanation.

I've had plenty of people tell me otherwise, though maybe they were just being polite. Regardless, if people don't want to hear a 40 minute explanation, why do they keep asking me about things they know I'll expound upon?

[Oculus Sinister]

I've had plenty of people tell me otherwise, though maybe they were just being polite. Regardless, if people don't want to hear a 40 minute explanation, why do they keep asking me about things they know I'll expound upon?

Thank you.

Clarification: INTP's who go off on meaningless tangents to people out of the blue about their research are annoying. INTP's who can't STFU to listen to what someone else says without correcting their occasional improper language usage are annoying as well.

Upon consideration, I could be deemed guilty of doing what sentence one of the clarification clause details.

[Stoned_Rider]

including myself. Why is that? Why do INTP's always go off on these stupid tangents explaining crap to people? Make yourself aware, fellow INTP, noone gives a shit about your 40 minute explanation. Also, correcting others about word meaning and usage just disrupts the flow of conversation and insults the person who you are speaking with. Not everyone analyzes every nuance of language.
Doesn't sound like typical INTP behaviour to me.

[Oculus Sinister]

Is it ISTJ? INTJ? ISTP? INFJ?, etc?

I deal with this sort of thing more often than I would like to admit. Maybe, people around here, just suck in general.

[Tayshaun]

Boredom is palpable when I am with another introvert who I don't know too well, who does not develop his answers and who seems too shy or to self-conscious to have any attention kept on them for more than a few minutes. The solution is to find a way to make them talk.

One of the strengths of the Ti-Ne axis when engaged in a conversation is the capacity to adapt, the possession of the infamous INTP chameleon chromatophores. The Ti gives you a little distance to analyze the information, makes you use your knowledge and experience and think about the best answer. The Ne makes you anticipate, witty and a clever humorist (sometimes). You can take the conversation to new, more interesting and potentially less boring realms. When INTPs are out of their shell, they are excellent conversationalists.

It's all a matter of dosage. It's about using your Ti at your benefit without appearing too aloof or giving more attention to the conversation with yourself within your head than to the other person. It's important to learn to read body language and pick up inklings of boredom and enthusiasm to make your Ne take the conversation to the right place.

[Oculus Sinister]

Tayshaun, that sounds good. If I were able to rephrase the OP, I would title it, "Counterphobics are a disease" and just refer to those who do engage in some of the behaviors I desribed.

Forget INTP. Its not INTP; its everyone and anybody who can't listen to others; peope who attack others. Half of the time, I feel like I have to walk around anticipating the wrath of some outer-focused scared shitless individual manifesting their fears onto the world. Externalizers irritate me because I am an internalizer.

[outmywindow]

Tayshaun, that sounds good. If I get rephrase the OP, I would title it, "Counterphobics are a disease" and just refer to those who do engage in some of the behaviors I desribed.



If you'd like me to I can go ahead and rename the thread that for you.

[Oculus Sinister]

If you'd like me to I can go ahead and rename the thread that for you.

Yeah, thanks.

[Tayshaun]

Its not INTP; its everyone and anybody who can't listen to others; people who attack others. Half of the time, I feel like I have to walk around anticipating the wrath of some outer-focused scared shitless individual manifesting their fears onto the world. Externalizers irritate me because I am an internalizer.

Yeah, well you are probably much less boring than them. It's hard to give the best of yourself to people who lack depth and mostly focus on their fears.

You are necessarily forced back in your shell when there is too much bullshit being said and with such "in your face" attitudes. I personally do not have the energy to bring rationality and take on these wild animals. I am also too repulsed to even bother trying to contribute.

The only conversation left is the one I mentioned earlier, the one with myself in my head. Where else can you find comfort against this blind, shallow, authoritative fear-based speech? The last time I went to the US, I came home cynical because most people had developed this "in your face" attitude.

[Oculus Sinister]

Yes, its painful to deal with the "In your face" attitude. I have to learn to let go because my Ti takes off, using Ne, to work out all kinds of new scenarios and grudges for the disruptive individual after the social engagement. The problem being the key word "previous". I don't know why my mind likes to constantly rage out against assholes after an event occurred. Lately, I have become very assertive and have engaged in the accidental lash out at the undeserving. Usually, I am far too detached to deal with "counterphobes"; my mind wastes great amounts of energy to be aware or ready for the next asshole to come along. By walking around on edge, I make others uneasy and to my own dismay end up engaging in the very behavior I detest.

[Jennywocky]

Yes, its painful to deal with the "In your face" attitude. I have to learn to let go because my Ti takes off, using Ne, to work out all kinds of new scenarios and grudges for the disruptive individual after the social engagement. The problem being the key word "previous". I don't know why my mind likes to constantly rage out against assholes after an event occurred. Lately, I have become very assertive and have engaged in the accidental lash out at the undeserving. Usually, I am far too detached to deal with "counterphobes"; my mind wastes great amounts of energy to be aware or ready for the next asshole to come along. By walking around on edge, I make others uneasy and to my own dismay end up engaging in the very behavior I detest.

I found your thread interesting, especially with the progression in your own posts starting with a lot of frustration, then backing off and analyzing your own feelings and behavior.

I know I've been guilty of the same thing, where I suspect hostility or experience it, get yanked out of my dispassionate mode and lash out or dump, then walk around "on edge" and it drips out on others until the energy dissipates and I can get back to the ideas I'd rather be focusing on.

I think INTPs identify a lot with their thoughts, so when the thought are criticized, we take it very personally. I think also when the criticisms are not USEFUL ones but merely cosmetic, that offends us on a whole new level; it leaves us feeling that the other person is "stupid" or shallow, and we also have a bunch of criticisms that are "pointless" to respond to and yet in order to preserve a conflict free environment and not look stupid ourselves, we feel compelled to respond and explain. So we've been "enslaved" in a sense and no longer feel free to spend our time focusing on the ideas we care about... another sticking point with INTP.

I don't know. I don't know your life situation, but I know for a me a lack of good diet and a lack of sleep contribute to my Lash-Out/Frustration Index.

There's lots of stuff about being human (such as how rested or healthy we are physically, for example) that INTPs would like to ignore or consider irrelevant but that actually has a large impact on how we relate to others and perceive their comments.

[Prozac]

including myself. Why is that?


.. a form of entertainment, appealing to amateur art forms, adjunct to central characters central to the disembodied phonetics swallowed up by a concern for your own envied accomplishment..
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Why do INTP's always go off on these stupid tangents explaining crap to people?


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Make yourself aware, fellow INTP, noone gives a shit about your 40 minute explanation. Also, correcting others about word meaning and usage just disrupts the flow of conversation and insults the person who you are speaking with.

.. be ye aware of such a gem, like a petrified illusion borne of a possessed appearance that one cannot deny for it is only incidental, apart from the voice throwing of course.. ah yes, fascinating

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Not everyone analyzes every nuance of language.


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. the value you bring to my attention is extraordinary, the exponents of which black magic doth emerge.. one time pavlov juggled his puppies and one slipped down due to the outpouring of saliva at the sound of your voice, which rings a bell, i might add, in this story-telling session we all share in for the moment..

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Edited from the original title, "INTP's are boring", in an attempt to shed light on those who project their fears onto others. Not specific to INTP's, but the kind of individual who engages in the preceding behavior. Original paragraph and resulting posts will be left unchanged.


.. a pink snookie i presume.. its all right the puppets paid their cover charge





Honestly, I had thought a lot of individuals to be INTP based on the original paragraph's description.


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Later posters have proven otherwise.


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.. and funny tokens resembling icons of natural kind, you know, chaos;






Thus, I attempt to get to the core of those who engage in the previously stated behavior by referring to them as counterphobic.



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Any correction or explanation of different circumstances welcome.

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Please discuss.


at this time I cannot give you a specific answer, only one that kind of dances around the campfire, singing strange songs in different languages, yet the rhythm and sound is descernable to those who do not recognize the true meaning of the essence in the words, just grabbing the gist based on emotions that are unquantifiable and thus unknowable.. however close or nearby that conception might be? so the irritation, while real and certainly measurable, is fleeting from the viewpoint of the universe...

,, in this way, we embrace acceptance as the glorious glue that binds us all, here in space, together as one, suffering, but collectively...,

.. my answers may or may not be influencing the behavior of the overall mind system, but to the degree that it does, if it does, is largely one of opinion, the beautifully constructed thoughts and images, assembled using the blueprint of a mind short of complete sanity, however quite germaine to the human condition....it may be a kind of slow clotting or throttling of the information going over the wires, neurons, or perhaps just like the beavers embedded deep inside the tunnels of our brains, playing tricks on us for entertainment and even, maybe, life lessons.. to be sure, kind of, i guess...my hairdresser might concur?

...fear not, however, i shall continue to expose the logical inconsistencies inherent in our beautiful but therapy-deprived mental make-up, all the while having my hair bound up in spikes, anticipating the great and wonderful end from that which has no beginning. ...




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[Oculus Sinister]

Finally, a true intellectual!