Any Deists on here?

[jread]

Other than Atheism or Agnosticism, I think that Deism would be the only religious model to fit the INTP way of thinking. It is the belief that some higher "force" in the universe is involved with the creation of everything in the known world. "There is evidence of creation, therefore there must be a creator". Deism does NOT, however, follow any of the religious texts such as the bible, koran, etc. Deists believe in "reason over faith" and feel that all questions can be answered by logic.... even the age old "is there a god?".

More info: http://www.deism.org

[garak]

Deism seems silly because it takes the amazement of the world around us and turns it into "oh duh, that means there's a god." For me, it just uh, doesn't follow. Although it is certainly at least more appealing than normal religion. Oh yeah and I'm just basing this on a quick glance at the site.

[Biff_Loman]

It doesn't necessarily make a lick of sense, but I was raised in such a super-Christian environment, and took it so seriously, that I have a hard time accepting (psychologically) the presence of some kind of God.

There are times when I'm convinced there is a God. This has everything to do with psychological pressures and nothing to do with logic. Well, so be it. I'm only human, after all.

[jread]

I'm only human, after all.

Exactly! That is the strongest belief I have always held: Humans do not have the capacity to understand how it all works, we can only find something that we're comfortable with and leave it at that.

[Shai Gar]

jesus christ. what in the name of allah is wrong with you people.

god exists, gave us free will, is sitting in front of his "earth-o-vision" with his hordes of angels laughing at the worlds first reality television show and how we manage to slaughter eachother in the name of law religion politics and control

[Shai Gar]

how is that so hard to understand?

[Claverhouse]

Since I totally believe in both God and an afterlife, you could say I'm a Deist. Certain religions have different attractions though, so I'm not saying that I wouldn't ever decide to combine one of them I chose to believe was true with this underlying deism.




Claverhouse :ph34r:

[QrioCT]

no idea(im agnostic). im not moved either way till there's enough proof to be certain that there's something out there. yeah, i doubt atheism because of the complexity and efficiency of organisms to live(before evolution, when the first life started). its kinda hard to randomly spill rocks and get an almost perfect picture. i guess there's a possibility deism is true, but there isnt a way to tell for sure. yet at least.

[euterpenc]

Well this is a very interesting and "deep" topic. One way of looking at it, like the Buddhists and Hindus look at it, is that "God" is in everyone and here on earth, not "out there." Nietzsche as well as Joseph Campbell semmed to liek this idea as well. As eternity and god as something here and now not out there and later. If you think about it, it makes sense.

[Shai Gar]

no buddism, is pretty decent too. i love a lot of what deism stands for but i respect other religions and am a nonpracticing moslem

[Edmond Zedo]

Nah.

[Sackanaka]

What's the latest religion to become actualized/formed/whateveritisreligionsdotobecome"official"?
I think I want Claverhouse to create his (err, just to confirm, are you male?) own religion one day. Meh, it will lead to further complications but society seems to be determined to stick to its addictions of short-term resolutions.

It just occurred to me that to even put the label "god" on whatever It is kinda ruins the separation of atheists, maybe agnostics too, from theists or gnostics, whatever the term is. Codependence, subordinancy while maintaining identity, identity through another's existence, what a troublesome thing. I think I get it (in response to SG's earlier rant), it isn't the understanding that's hard, it's the 'is it worth the trouble'. eternal damnation seems pretty scary, and if i must immediately convert to any religion it'll probably be due to some threat to my pursuit of living. ehh sorry to diverge and mess things up :/

one more thing, lately i've found myself progressively becoming turned off to arguments that refer to another's argument. i know it's a good way to project one's idea, since that reference probably took a lot of research and development and thereby saving a lot of the uhhh refer-ees(?) time that could be used for further research and arguing, but it really bothers me when someone recites others' work as if it were their own or the truth. no, not picking on anyone, hell i do it too, but it probably shoulda gone in the rants section.

[Shai Gar]

exactly

[crule81]

one more thing, lately i've found myself progressively becoming turned off to arguments that refer to another's argument. i know it's a good way to project one's idea, since that reference probably took a lot of research and development and thereby saving a lot of the uhhh refer-ees(?) time that could be used for further research and arguing, but it really bothers me when someone recites others' work as if it were their own or the truth. no, not picking on anyone, hell i do it too, but it probably shoulda gone in the rants section.

I know what you mean because my career (the law) is mostly based on what others have reasoned before (precedent). I, unfortunately, find myself referring to other's arguments more and more. But, I guess we can't all be completely original or spend hours with primary sources.

[Johnny]

Deist club member here...but I don't really see myself as INTP at my core, though I did try to see myself that way for a while.

[Claverhouse]

I think I want Claverhouse to create his (err, just to confirm, are you male?) own religion one day.
I'm going out to check. I may be some time.


Claverhouse :ph34r:


I was thinking more on the lines of reverting to the Norse religion. However, Odinists seem a sufficiently weird lot, and there's a connection to the nazis ( via Erich Ludendorff for one --- who wasn't in fact a nazi; and the nazis suppressed the Norse worshipping people anyway,but then they suppressed anything that moved ) which doesn't exactly help.

[andthesunburnedouttonight]

I am an evangelical Christian. There is enough evidence for God in the lives of myself and all of my family members that denying his existence would border on ridiculous. I could give examples.

[Sackanaka]

My first reaction would be "yes, if you wouldn't mind please share your reasons why."
but then again there were already debates about this which didn't quite resolve anything,
but by all means share anything you feel worthwhile :D and welcome