What's in a mod?

[Dr. Haight]

Do the site authorities have a habit of choosing the least moderate members of their rank, to carry the title of "Moderator"? I could suggest half a dozen people who would be more disposed to make rational/impartial and well-balanced moderation decisions, than this person.

Is it about who is popular at any given time, or who puts their hand up first?No. Okay, lets see it. And neither.




edit by Rhu: Split from here. (http://forums.intpcentral.com/showthread.php?t=19774)

[ctnd]

I could moderate quite easily using the rules of conduct as a strict guide. Unless he's going to do any of that "I don't like you, so you're banned," or "I like you, so you're let off" rubbish, there's nothing to worry about. Right?

[songbird36]

No. Okay, lets see it. And neither.

I'm not going to name names because it might embarrass the people concerned. But if you read my posts and responses you'll probably glean a reasonable idea of who I think is moderate and rational in their views.

I'm not suggesting SR shouldn't be a mod, I'm just expressing a little surprise at the choice, that's all. I hope I'm entitled, as a member, to do that..

[Dr. Haight]

I'm not going to name names because it might embarrass the people concerned. But if you read my posts and responses you'll probably glean a reasonable idea of who I think is moderate and rational in their views.Does the phrase, "put up, or shut up," mean anything to you.

In other words, I'm not going to read your posts to figure out who you like. You stated that you, "could suggest half a dozen people who would be more disposed to make rational/impartial and well-balanced moderation decisions, than this person."

So . . . suggest them.

[songbird36]

Does the phrase, "put up, or shut up," mean anything to you

It comes across as vaguely insulting...but yes I do understand what it means. You seem to have a low tolerance threshold for any kind of challenges to the INTPc hierarchy.


You stated that you, "could suggest half a dozen people who would be more disposed to make rational/impartial and well-balanced moderation decisions, than this person."


I used this for the "sake of my argument", and it's not critical to my point to actually name names. If it were critical to the validity of my point, then yes I would have to name them in order to avoid losing credibility. But it isn't, as I've outlined in general terms what I see the issue as being. That is enough.

[Dr. Haight]

You seem to have a low tolerance threshold for any kind of challenges to the INTPc hierarchy.Actually, it's more about you then it is about me. I have a low tolerance for your criticism regarding who we do, or do not, choose as Moderator's. Especially since, when challenged, you refuse to produce a list of possible Moderator's that you would find suitable.


I used this for the "sake of my argument", and it's not critical to my point to actually name names. If it were critical to the validity of my point, then yes I would have to name them in order to avoid losing credibility. But it isn't, as I've outlined in general terms what I see the issue as being. That is enough.Nice try, but I disagree.

[songbird36]

Actually, it's more about you then it is about me. I have a low tolerance for your criticism regarding who we do, or do not, choose as Moderator's. Especially since, when challenged, you refuse to produce a list of possible Moderator's that you would find suitable.

Nice try, but I disagree.

Oh well I'm not interested in getting into a stoush with you (or anyone for that matter) unless it enhances our mutual (or respective) understanding of the truth of the matter. 'Nuff said.

[songbird36]

Geez, a simple "Congrats, Stoned_Rider" would have sufficed...

Oh I'll remember that for next time...sorry for mistaking this as an appropriate forum in which to express my views :stupid:

[nottaprettygal]

Oh I'll remember that for next time...sorry for mistaking this as an appropriate forum in which to express my views :stupid:

I think the problem is that you just criticize but offer no actual evidence to back up your criticisms. Examples of why Stoned_Rider wouldn't make an impartial and fair mod would be helpful. Additionally, examples of people who would be fair would help as well.

Or you could just like to nitpick about every seemingly unimportant thing that goes on around here.

Which is it?

[Madrigal]

I think the problem is that you just criticize but offer no actual evidence to back up your criticisms. Examples of why Stoned_Rider wouldn't make an impartial and fair mod would be helpful.


Instigator!! *points*

[Jennywocky]

I think the problem is that you just criticize but offer no actual evidence to back up your criticisms. Examples of why Stoned_Rider wouldn't make an impartial and fair mod would be helpful. Additionally, examples of people who would be fair would help as well.

Or you could just like to nitpick about every seemingly unimportant thing that goes on around here.

Which is it?

Sniff.

I can see everyone's side.

It's not a large issue.

?? WHY CAN'T EVERYONE JUST GET ALONG AND GIVE PEACE A CHANCE ??

Sorry. Just had to get that off my chest. None of the NFs around here were doing their job. :whistle:

[nottaprettygal]

Instigator!! *points*

That wasn't my intention! :ph34r:

I'm confident that she actually doesn't have any evidence.

[targo]

Sniff.

I can see everyone's side.

It's not a large issue.

?? WHY CAN'T EVERYONE JUST GET ALONG AND GIVE PEACE A CHANCE ??

Sorry. Just had to get that off my chest. None of the NFs around here were doing their job. :whistle:




well if you would have sent me the memo I could have,, but I didn't want to step on the toes of the INTP's I mean after all this is their 'playground' so to speak ;)

[Jennywocky]

well if you would have sent me the memo I could have,, but I didn't want to step on the toes of the INTP's I mean after all this is their 'playground' so to speak ;)

Yikes. Sorry!

(Besides, I thought y'all could hear this racket halfway across the forums... INTJ pissing matches... hoo-boy...)

Tag-team! [tap] You're in. Go get 'em!

[Madrigal]

It wasn't my intention! :ph34r:

Oh well we all have good intentions, don't we! ;)


I'm confident that she actually doesn't have any evidence.

You're doing it again...

[ctnd]

Actually, it's more about you then it is about me. I have a low tolerance for your criticism regarding who we do, or do not, choose as Moderator's. Especially since, when challenged, you refuse to produce a list of possible Moderator's that you would find suitable.

The apostophe on 'Morderators' isn't necessary in both occurences in this paragraph. I don't mean to detract the meaning of your post at all. I am a known grammar pedant (http://forums.intpcentral.com/showthread.php?t=16854).

[Dr. Haight]

The apostophe on 'Morderators' isn't necessary in both occurences in this paragraph. I don't mean to detract the meaning of your post at all. I am a known grammar pedant (http://forums.intpcentral.com/showthread.php?t=16854).Thanks, I appreciate that.

[Ivy]

The apostophe on 'Morderators' isn't necessary in both occurences in this paragraph. I don't mean to detract the meaning of your post at all. I am a known grammar pedant (http://forums.intpcentral.com/showthread.php?t=16854).

It fits well with your pipe-smoking avatar. :highfive: from a fellow grammar pedant (who has suffered enough fallout from correcting peers not to do it anymore unless the mistake offers an opportunity for a wisecrack).

[ctnd]

It fits well with your pipe-smoking avatar. :highfive: from a fellow grammar pedant (who has suffered enough fallout from correcting peers not to do it anymore unless the mistake offers an opportunity for a wisecrack).


Thanks, I appreciate that.

:highfive:

[Dr. Haight]

:highfive:I would have REALLY appreciated a link to the rule, however. Since I need to know how, when, and why in order to lock that bit of information away for long term storage and understanding. :)


EDIT: Oh, and . . . congratulations Stoner. http://planetsmilies.net/smoking-smiley-5427.gif

[ctnd]

I would have REALLY appreciated a link to the rule, however. Since I need to know how, when, and why in order to lock that bit of information away for long term storage and understanding. :)


EDIT: Oh, and . . . congratulations Stoner. http://planetsmilies.net/smoking-smiley-5427.gif

This one (http://www.apostrophe.fsnet.co.uk/) helped clarify it for me.

[Dr. Haight]

This one (http://www.apostrophe.fsnet.co.uk/) helped clarify it for me.Nice, that's helpful.

s05 yelled at me about this a few months back, but did little to teach me the anything. She basically did this :frypan: , and then left me like this :cry:.

[ctnd]

Nice, that's helpful.

s05 yelled at me about this a few months back, but did little to teach me the anything. She basically did this :frypan: , and then left me like this :cry:.

Haha.:joft:

[songbird36]

I think the problem is that you just criticize but offer no actual evidence to back up your criticisms. Examples of why Stoned_Rider wouldn't make an impartial and fair mod would be helpful. Additionally, examples of people who would be fair would help as well

Here's one example:

http://forums.intpcentral.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=

Now this may seem harmless and mild to most of you, but what it indicates to me (in mod context) is this: that he has the potential to be partisan, and personality-driven in the way that he moderates on these forums, as opposed to rational and impartial (based on the merits of a post, rather than its author). He obviously has people he likes (and ones he doesn't like, or takes issue with...such as me, for example) - I get the vague impression that these preferences could (or have the potential to) influence his Mod decisions quite a bit. I think if anyone reads his posts on "Forum member most likely to" or "INTPc Awards", they will get where I'm coming from here.

Yes these are threads where comment on individual members is invited, but people can choose whether (and what) and to what extent, they post on these threads.

Now this may not seem like a big issue; and it may not be. We'll see.
Meanwhile, I don't mean to be suggesting in any way that I think S-R is nasty or weird in any way - I don't think that at all. In fact in many posts he comes across as quite caring of others. The issue is more about partiality (and the potential to be influenced by it) than S-R's character strengths or defects..

[MacGuffin]

Linky no worky, in fact I cut it up since it took you to the new reply page.

[songbird36]

Oh and I'm also not anti-moderators. There are IMO some very good ones here right now - specifically Ivy, Rajah, and OMW. I don't know enough about what a couple of the others actually do, to comment sensibly. Good Admins too - Kuranes and MacGuff.

[MacGuffin]

Good Admins too - Kuranes and MacGuff.
I RULE!








kuranes is an admin?

[Dr. Haight]

Oh and I'm also not anti-moderators. There are IMO some very good ones here right now - specifically Ivy, Rajah, and OMW. I don't know enough about what a couple of the others actually do, to comment sensibly. Good Admins too - Kuranes and MacGuff.Hey, what about me? :boohoo:

[Jennywocky]

Hey, what about me? :boohoo:

You're Haight.

(Even if you no longer play a doctor on INTPc.)


kuranes is an admin?

Yes, I thought it was like the Sith too: Only a student and a master can there be, and you and Hustler had already filled the slots with thy darkness.

[songbird36]

Hey, what about me? :boohoo:

LOL. I don't think you want a serious answer on that one :)

[kuranes]

kuranes is an admin?
Last time I checked.

[Dr. Haight]

LOL. I don't think you want a serious answer on that one :)Sure I do. Since you're venting . . . lets here it.

[songbird36]

Sure I do. Since you're venting . . . lets here it.

Alright, in terms of decisionmaking you seem to be reasonably calm, but I find some of the ways you express yourself qua moderator (especially towards me, I'm not aware of other instances) to be overly emotional, overly partial, and for those reasons, somewhat inappropriate for a Mod.

I know it must be hard to separate your "Mod hat" out from your "member Hat", and I think for this reason many mods choose not to post too much, to avoid getting themselves into trouble, or being accused of anything.

[targo]

It's not difficult to separate your mod hate from your posting hat. Nor is it difficult being an admin as opposed to a poster. What is difficult is when members get upset at things and only see or understand one side of the event. Usually the side they understand has emotional attatchment significance. Thus clouding one memory or understanding of the full reason ;)

[Jennywocky]

It's not difficult to separate your mod hate from your posting hat. Nor is it difficult being an admin as opposed to a poster. What is difficult is when members get upset at things and only see or understand one side of the event. Usually the side they understand has emotional attatchment significance. Thus clouding one memory or understanding of the full reason ;)

I agree.

I thought a little bit today about what would happen if I were a mod, and what would change?

The problem is that as a poster, I often screw around or have strong points of view.

But if I was modding, I'd simply have to distinguish between "me" and "my duties."

Many human beings are capable of doing this sort of thing, in any walk of life and any profession.

The problem would be more in the PR -- of how to ensure that the posting community believed that I was in fact doing this and not being biased.

[Madrigal]

It's not difficult to separate your mod hate from your posting hat.

:D

[targo]

truth be told you can be an amazing mod or admin but you see there will always be someone who challenges you, who has a different point of view, who talk the big talk. But if you allow them to see behind closed doors they are shocked at it. I cannot tell you how many people have longed to be a moderator and once there realize the job is just too big for them to handle and they quickly want out ;) It's taxing on people.

Since becoming an admin somewhere I have almost quit posting publically (due to the over debatable content of the forum) Emotionally speaking it's not all it's cracked up to be

[targo]

It's not difficult to separate your mod hate from your posting hat.


:D



giggle :stupid: :stupid:


good catch good catch :highfive:

[Dr. Haight]

Alright, in terms of decisionmaking you seem to be reasonably calm, but I find some of the ways you express yourself qua moderator (especially towards me, I'm not aware of other instances) to be overly emotional, overly partial, and for those reasons, somewhat inappropriate for a Mod.Well, I've never been called emotional before, but I suspect writing that way might be the best way to deal with you, and hence, the reason behind doing so. Likewise, I am definitely "overly partial" with folks that have a ban record - they seem to stick on my radar. So again, this has more to do with you, then it does with me.


I know it must be hard to separate your "Mod hat" out from your "member Hat", and I think for this reason many mods choose not to post too much, to avoid getting themselves into trouble, or being accused of anything.Clearly, I don't care about being accused of anything. And, I still like posting in the main forum and don't find the "hats" to be confusing. However, if someone comes into a congratulatory thread and starts accusing someone of being a bad moderator before they have even made a single move, I will definitely say something. Since, that's rude, obnoxious, and equivalent to pissing on someones birthday cake.

PS - Your "evidence" link is still broken.

[Ivy]

I think we all need to take a small step back and remember that this is the motherfucking internets, not the Supreme Court. :)

[Jennywocky]

Since, that's rude, obnoxious, and equivalent to pissing on someones birthday cake.

...Yet one more sex practice I would not indulge in with my partner....

[ctnd]

I think we all need to take a small step back and remember that this is the motherfucking internets, not the Supreme Court. :)

Hehe. Also a privately owned server.


...Yet one more sex practice I would not indulge in with my partner....

Hahaha!

[Ivy]

Hehe. Also a privately owned server.

Exactly. It's not a democracy. :)

Semi-seriously, though, this is supposed to be fun, right? We're all here for stimulating discussions and fun interaction with likeminded people. It's really not that difficult to continue to do that AND move threads around or whatever, if need be. I'm sure S_R is going to be a terrific mod, even if he has a few stray feelings for various members (like I think we all do).

[kuranes]

* puts on popcorn eater hat *

:popcorn:

[s0978]

robble. I told you we should ban the Js.

[Ivy]

*has stray feelings for kuranes*

[s0978]

oh, right. this is not the modbox. oops.

[kuranes]

*has stray feelings for kuranes*
:wub:

[songbird36]

robble. I told you we should ban the Js.

Oh well, here's one mod providing a good example of exactly what I'm taking issue with. My point's been made, and I'm content now to skulk away back into my "J" hole.

But not before I say what I think makes a *good* mod:
(i) Someone who is emotionally stable;
(ii) Someone who is capable of being rational/impartial, and not ruled by their feelings about individual members;
(iii) Someone who has the capacity for sound judgment, and even imagination (such as "do I move or split a thread, and if so, where do I move or split it to"?)

If a person meets these basic criteria, I wouldn't have a problem with them at all. I do think that some members here are temperamentally unsuited to the role..

[s0978]

Oh well, here's one mod providing a good example of exactly what I'm taking issue with. My point's been made, and I'm content now to skulk away back into my "J" hole.

But not before I say what I think makes a *good* mod:
(i) Someone who is emotionally stable;
(ii) Someone who is capable of being rational/impartial, and not ruled by their feelings about individual members;
(iii) Someone who has the capacity for sound judgment, and even imagination (such as "do I move or split a thread, and if so, where do I move or split it to"?)

If a person meets these basic criteria, I wouldn't have a problem with them at all. I do think that some members here are temperamentally unsuited to the role..

rofl.

[kuranes]

s0532 was actually the one defending you a few weeks ago when your use of legalese was noticed.

[Jennywocky]

*has stray feelings for kuranes*

:wub:

oh, right. this is not the modbox. oops.

You're right. Apparently it's the "Love Shack."

[songbird36]

s0532 was actually the one defending you a few weeks ago when your use of legalese was noticed.

Perhaps it is legalese; perhaps I can't avoid it as a byproduct of my training and work experience as a lawyer. I dunno.

It's how I tend naturally to express my thoughts now, in order to make them more readily understandable by and accessible to others. Is wanting to do that a bad thing?

[Ivy]

You're right. Apparently it's the "Love Shack."

Well, I DO have a Chrysler that's as big as a whale. And it is, in fact, about to set sail.

[Jennywocky]

Perhaps it is legalese; perhaps I can't avoid it as a byproduct of my training and work experience as a lawyer. I dunno. It's how I tend naturally to express my thoughts now, in order to make them more readily understandable by and accessible to others. Is wanting to do that a bad thing?

please. *whimper* no more baby roman numerals in parentheses...i'm a tech writer, i see ENOUGH of these things all day...! I come here for recreation!

[Rhu]

It's how I tend naturally to express my thoughts now, in order to make them more readily understandable by and accessible to others. Is wanting to do that a bad thing?

Expressing your thoughts? No.

Expressing your thoughts in a way that can easily be confused with self-righteous indignation? I would advise against it.

[songbird36]

please. *whimper* no more baby roman numerals in parentheses...i'm a tech writer, i see ENOUGH of these things all day...! I come here for recreation!

OK

*makes a mental note in future to create lists separated by commas only, or even better, not to create lists at all* :)

[Rajah]

It fits well with your pipe-smoking avatar. :highfive: from a fellow grammar pedant (who has suffered enough fallout from correcting peers not to do it anymore unless the mistake offers an opportunity for a wisecrack).You're supposed to capitalize :highfive: at the beginning of a sentence. Duh.

[Rajah]

The apostophe on 'Morderators' isn't necessary in both occurences in this paragraph. I don't mean to detract the meaning of your post at all. I am a known grammar pedant (http://forums.intpcentral.com/showthread.php?t=16854).:ph34r:

[songbird36]

Expressing your thoughts? No.

Expressing your thoughts in a way that can easily be confused with self-righteous indignation? I would advise against it.

Fair comment. I can be self-righteous I admit, but don't assume that this means I think I am always right. I put my opinions out there for comment and discussion - I don't want (or expect) everyone to always agree with them.

Process issues are of great interest to me (maybe as a J, or maybe just for some other reason). Getting good processes that work well for everyone, is pretty important to me - especially anywhere that I spend lots of time and energy (work or play).

[s0978]

Fair comment. I can be self-righteous I admit, but don't assume that this means I think I am always right. I put my opinions out there for comment and discussion - I don't want (or expect) everyone to always agree with them.

Process issues are of great interest to me (maybe as a J, or maybe just for some other reason). Getting good processes that work well for everyone, is pretty important to me - especially anywhere that I spend lots of time and energy (work or play).

alright, well, I hope you got enough attention for the day. Maybe the others want to keep playing, I really gotta go to the bank.

[kuranes]

Fair comment. I can be self-righteous I admit, but don't assume that this means I think I am always right. I put my opinions out there for comment and discussion - I don't want (or expect) everyone to always agree with them.

Process issues are of great interest to me (maybe as a J, or maybe just for some other reason). Getting good processes that work well for everyone, is pretty important to me - especially anywhere that I spend lots of time and energy (work or play).


Certain kinds of questions have the feel of "May I have your badge number and supervisor's name, officer?" as though preliminaries to a legal action vs. being abstract questions about ad hoc infrastructure.

[songbird36]

Certain kinds of questions have the feel of "May I have your badge number and supervisor's name, officer?" as though preliminaries to a legal action vs. being abstract questions about ad hoc infrastructure.

:theclap:

Very nicely put. I am lodging proceedings against you in the county courthouse, as we speak. You'll find out the charges when you get served with them :)

[Prothero]

On a forum like this I prefer that those in power continue to post their opinions to suit their personality and beliefs. What value would come from forcing them into a neutral corner where they were required to be bland observers merely watching the rest of us take advantage of this system. I also don't care how they feel about me, as long as they don't use their position to force me (rather than convince me) to accept their opinions, or take negative action simply because someone disagrees. I like to believe that if they did so, they would be quickly returned to their former status. A bit optimistic, maybe, but the evidence appears to support the belief. There may have been abuses of power in the past, but I haven't been here long enough to witness them (debating against us is not an abuse.)

What I can't understand is why what motivates them to accept the position. Whenever I see another one appointed to the lofty heights of the power elite, I wonder why we congratulate them. Shouldn't we be offering our condolences?

[Jennywocky]

What I can't understand is why what motivates them to accept the position. Whenever I see another one appointed to the lofty heights of the power elite, I wonder why we congratulate them. Shouldn't we be offering our condolences?


It must be because of the hefty paycheck they receive (if the lofty status symbol of simply being an INTP mod cannot compensate one highly enough).

*cough*

[nfinityi]

Sniff.

I can see everyone's side.

It's not a large issue.

?? WHY CAN'T EVERYONE JUST GET ALONG AND GIVE PEACE A CHANCE ??

Sorry. Just had to get that off my chest. None of the NFs around here were doing their job. :whistle:


Gimme a minute! I was at work all day! And I had a chunk of skin from my pinky taken off by the meatslicer today!

I HATE THE WORLD!!!1

:boohoo:

[C.J.Woolf]

If suppressing my opinions was a condition of modship I wouldn't have accepted it.


What I can't understand is why what motivates them to accept the position. Whenever I see another one appointed to the lofty heights of the power elite, I wonder why we congratulate them. Shouldn't we be offering our condolences?
You understand! Bless you. I accepted the invitation because I like this place and I like the other madmins (mods+admins) enough to want to help them.

That reminds me; I haven't given my standard new-mod greeting yet:

Sucker! Congratulations, Stoned_Rider!

[Jennywocky]

Gimme a minute! I was at work all day! And I had a chunk of skin from my pinky taken off by the meatslicer today!

I HATE THE WORLD!!!1

:boohoo:

Oh Great. MORE drama.

Forget I said anything!!! (WHAT WAS I THINKING, ASKING FOR MORE NF PARTICIPATION???)

[nfinityi]

Well, I DO have a Chrysler that's as big as a whale. And it is, in fact, about to set sail.
What a coincidence, Ivy! I got me a car which seats about twenty, so hurry up! And bring your jukebox money!







Holy FUCK how do I know and even remember the words to that song?

[jyakulis]

ohh baby! this is just like the old days!

[nfinityi]

Okay! Ready to submit my useful NF participation!

Well, in all honesty, sometimes I get irked by what certain mods and admins do, and I almost always let them know (normally by PM, which is an admittedly new development in my level of tact... *HINT HINT*)

Once upon a time I would have cared, but in all honesty, who cares who they like? So long as you're not just blatantly giving them excuses to pwn your ass, even a madmin who hates you won't be able to disrupt your stay here.

And I know what it's like for them, on some level. As the oldest "baby cousin" in my family (I have 23 cousins, on my mothers' side) I'm expected to keep them occupied, and make sure they stay out of trouble and play nice with one another. I'm expected to do this also because, as I'm only 18, I'm not really one of the grown-ups yet, by their standards at least. So I'm sort of the head moderator of the serfs cousins of my family.

I have cousins who I favor more, and I have cousins who bug the shit out of me, but I still have to treat them fair, and I do. If I didn't, I would no longer be trusted with keeping an eye on all 20 of their asses (the older ones help me out sometimes) at family gatherings.

So in all honesty, if they don't like you, who cares? They're not being appointed Supreme Chancellor of the Third Reich of INTPmany, they're being appointed mods. And they DO have higher-ups who WILL get on their asses if they act out of line. Just ask snowflake.

[zhang_bob]

Songbird, I don't see really see what the problem is. I believe if he is not fit to be a mod like you say he's not, at least give him a chance to prove himself. Then if he got sacked as a moderator you can laugh at him until your heart's content.:)

I thought the same as you think of Stoned_Rider when Hustler first became a moderator. As I did not think people take anything Hustler does or says seriously. But I did not say anything as I believe in giving people a few chances. I am quite sure everyone on here has said things they regret, and made mistakes. You have to give people a chance to make amends. If this is about his islamophobia, I can see where you are coming from, but he not really posted much on it lately.

Anyway, Hustler is doing a good job as an administrator, so I don't see why Stoned_Rider can't do the same as a moderator.

[Jennywocky]

Anyway, Hustler is doing a good job as a administrator, so I don't see why Stoned_Rider can't do the same as a moderator.

There's a wonderful argument: If Hustler can do it, ANYONE can. :theclap:

[mr. treat]

i thought mods were full of snips, snails, and puppy dog tails?

[songbird36]

If suppressing my opinions was a condition of modship I wouldn't have accepted it.


No-one said "suppression". This discussion is actually very frustrating as I don't seem to be getting my point across. The point is that the type/extent of opinion that is approrpiate to be expressed as a mod, is likely to be different from as an ordinary member (i.e. need for more rationality, less extremism., less emotionality, and less partiality).

Does that make it clear?

[Hustler]

Oh well we all have good intentions, don't we! ;)
No, we don't.

[Deckard]

Oh and I'm also not anti-moderators. There are IMO some very good ones here right now - specifically Ivy, Rajah, and OMW. I don't know enough about what a couple of the others actually do, to comment sensibly. Good Admins too - Kuranes and MacGuff.
Awww, not even a mention! I wanted to be judged. :(

[Hustler]

The point is that the type/extent of opinion that is approrpiate to be expressed as a mod, is likely to be different from as an ordinary member (i.e. need for more rationality, less extremism., less emotionality, and less partiality).

Who should our next mod be? We'll need another one eventually, so go ahead and choose one for us.

[songbird36]

Who should our next mod be? We'll need another one eventually, so go ahead and choose one for us.

Umm...sorry I won't name names (except maybe privately). Just a quirk of mine...

[songbird36]

Awww, not even a mention! I wanted to be judged. :(

Well what is it that you actually do then? Quiet activity behind the scenes?

[Hustler]

Umm...sorry I won't name names (except maybe privately). Just a quirk of mine...

Okay, then I'll just go back to dismissing any and all complaints you have about the site or moderators as the useless noise it is.

[C.J.Woolf]

Awww, not even a mention! I wanted to be judged. :(
Count your blessings. So sez the stealth mod. :ph34r:

[nfinityi]

No-one said "suppression". This discussion is actually very frustrating as I don't seem to be getting my point across. The point is that the type/extent of opinion that is approrpiate to be expressed as a mod, is likely to be different from as an ordinary member (i.e. need for more rationality, less extremism., less emotionality, and less partiality).

Does that make it clear?
You seem to be into politics, so here goes:

In what backwards universe do you live where leaders are chosen because they have NO opinions?

[songbird36]

Okay, then I'll just go back to dismissing any and all complaints you have about the site or moderators as the useless noise it is.

I'm not buying into the Alpha male thing with you - don't even try, won't work ;)

[meanlittlechimp]

Why do people want to be mods at all? What exactly are the privileges? Banning? Reading private mail? A special doohicky next to their name?

Seems like extra work to me. I don't see the allure. Just curious.

[songbird36]

In what backwards universe do you live in where leaders are chosen because they have NO opinions?

I can;t really believe that you and others are incapable of understanding the Role distinction I've sought to draw. I credit you with more intelligence than that Brendan. Read my previous posts and see if you can see it.

[songbird36]

Why do people want to be mods at all? What exactly are the privileges? Banning? Reading private mail? A special doohicky next to their name?

Seems like extra work to me. I don't see the allure. Just curious.

Good question. Subconsciously, is there a drive to hold/exert power?

[Deckard]

Well what is it that you actually do then? Quiet activity behind the scenes?
I make snarky remarks mostly. Oh and I moved a thread once.

Thanks by the way, i feel less left out now. :happpy:

[Prothero]

No-one said "suppression". This discussion is actually very frustrating as I don't seem to be getting my point across. The point is that the type/extent of opinion that is approrpiate to be expressed as a mod, is likely to be different from as an ordinary member (i.e. need for more rationality, less extremism., less emotionality, and less partiality).

Does that make it clear?

Yes. Can we still disagree with you?

[nfinityi]

I can;t really believe that you and others are incapable of understanding the Role distinction I've sought to draw. I credit you with more intelligence than that Brendan. Read my previous posts and see if you can see it.
I understand how you think it should be, but I also understand how it actually is.

[Hustler]

I'm not buying into the Alpha male thing with you - don't even try, won't work ;)
Uh...whatever. I just want you to know that your opinion isn't taken seriously around here, and not just because you're an INTJ. We were willing to listen to you just this once in this thread, but you blew it, and now that right back out the window. Huff and puff to your heart's content; it will go unheard.

[nfinityi]

What the hell! I make one of the most concise, mature, NFiest posts I've made under this username, and for what! The action's already over! No one recognizes me for it!

Hrmph.

[Rajah]

Why do people want to be mods at all? What exactly are the privileges? Banning? Reading private mail? A special doohicky next to their name?

Seems like extra work to me. I don't see the allure. Just curious.I have a doohickey?!?


No, I don't. :(



Look, I'm very careful to keep my identities as poster and as mod separate. I don't mind taking someone to task in a thread, but it doesn't affect my modding decisions. In fact, I've vehemently defended people with whom I've openly butted heads. Stoned_Rider might have had some past issues with certain posters around here, but there's been no indication he won't make a fair and impartial mod. We all have opinions, we all like and dislike people... but we all can/should be able to divorce our personal issues from making appropriate modding decisions. Give Stoned_Rider a chance before jumping to such negative conclusions about him, ok?

[meanlittlechimp]

What the hell! I make one of the most concise, mature, NFiest posts I've made under this username, and for what! The action's already over! No one recognizes me for it!

Hrmph.

Maybe that's your problem, you're EFJ need for recognition. People don't want to give you what you want, exactly because they know you want it.

Btw, I didn't read your post yet, just being an ass.

[Jennywocky]

What the hell! I make one of the most concise, mature, NFiest posts I've made under this username, and for what! The action's already over! No one recognizes me for it! Hrmph.

Yeah. Too much drama. I should have known better.

:rofl:

[nfinityi]

Maybe that's your problem, you're EFJ need for recognition. People don't want to give you what you want, exactly because they know you want it.

Btw, I didn't read your post yet, just being an ass.
It's too late! I'm leaving INTPc to go to the gym! I might rethink this and be back in an hour or so, but so help me! I mean it this time!

[songbird36]

Uh...whatever. I just want you to know that your opinion isn't taken seriously around here, and not just because you're an INTJ. We were willing to listen to you just this once in this thread, but you blew it, and now that right back out the window. Huff and puff to your heart's content; it will go unheard.

I'm cool with that. I don't need to be heeded/agreed with.

*goes away to make some calls*

[HilbertSpace]

I have a doohickey?!?


No, I don't. :(


Oh, sure. You're just wearing that turtleneck because it's cold, right?

[Prothero]

What the hell! I make one of the most concise, mature, NFiest posts I've made under this username, and for what! The action's already over! No one recognizes me for it!

Hrmph.

It was a loverly post. I may even want to quote from it someday. Which one was it?

[nfinityi]

It was a loverly post. I may even want to quote from it someday. Which one was it?
:rant:

[Rajah]

Oh, sure. You're just wearing that turtleneck because it's cold, right?It's, like, 80 degrees! I'm freezing here.

:ph34r:

[songbird36]

Look, I'm very careful to keep my identities as poster and as mod separate. I don't mind taking someone to task in a thread, but it doesn't affect my modding decisions. In fact, I've vehemently defended people with whom I've openly butted heads. Stoned_Rider might have had some past issues with certain posters around here, but there's been no indication he won't make a fair and impartial mod. We all have opinions, we all like and dislike people... but we all can/should be able to divorce our personal issues from making appropriate modding decisions. Give Stoned_Rider a chance before jumping to such negative conclusions about him, ok?

This is all pretty much where I'm at right now. I'm absolutely prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt. I don't really understand why people have become so upset at me raising a potential issue - it doesn't mean it actually will become a problem.

[Lurker]

This is all pretty much where I'm at right now. I'm absolutely prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt. I don't really understand why people have become so upset at me raising a potential issue - it doesn't mean it actually will become a problem.

Maybe it was inappropriate to do it in a "congratulations" thread?

[songbird36]

Maybe it was inappropriate to do it in a "congratulations" thread?

Yeah I suppose so. OP was:

"Welcome him. Hug him. Caress him. Love him . . .

I think kissing him might even be appropriate as well"

[Rajah]

This is all pretty much where I'm at right now. I'm absolutely prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt. I don't really understand why people have become so upset at me raising a potential issue - it doesn't mean it actually will become a problem.


Maybe it was inappropriate to do it in a "congratulations" thread?Well, it's split now, so that's that.

I'm glad this is all resolved.

[Rhu]

It's not solved until you all grouphug.





Just don't involve me.

[cafe]

Well, it's split now, so that's that.

I'm glad this is all resolved.
Yayyy! *hugs everyone*

Edit: *Hugs every one except Rhu.*

[MacGuffin]

If Hustler can do it, ANYONE can. :theclap:
That is the funniest thing I've read all day! I'm adding it to my signature.

[Lurker]

It's not solved until you all grouphug.





Just don't involve me.


*puts Rhu in middle of crushing circle hug*

[Jennywocky]

Yayyy! *hugs everyone*
Edit: *Hugs every one except Rhu.*

Yeah. He always was a cold-hearted bastard.

[working hard to disrupt "Nice Gentle Fortunato" public image]

[MacGuffin]

*puts Rhu in middle of crushing circle jerk*
I just came from the kink thread and I read it like that.

[Lurker]

I just came from the kink thread and I read it like that.

I don't know what that is. *humiliated*

However, I do about crush and smothering fetishes thanks to VoR extensive list. Ding! :highfive:

/derailment

[Rajah]

I don't know what that is. *humiliated*Well, you know i's MacGuffin, so assume the worst.


And then Google.



P.S. I bet you can intuit what it is. ;)

P.P.S. Or here (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=circle+jerk).

[Lurker]

Ugh. That's what I thought.

Poor Rhu.

[Stoned_Rider]

He obviously has people he likes - I get the vague impression that these preferences could (or have the potential to) influence his Mod decisions quite a bit. I think if anyone reads his posts on "Forum member most likely to" or "INTPc Awards", they will get where I'm coming from here.

Newsflash: I'm a.. *gulp*.. human being. There, that's a load off my chest. It had to come out sooner or later anyway.

On the plus side (and perhaps good news for you), I would never have accepted this if I wasn't absolutely certain that I am able to separate my personal feelings from my mod decisions.



(and ones he doesn't like, or takes issue with...such as me, for example)
Eh? When.. how.. why?? :think:

Wait a minute, you think everybody hates you by default, don't you?

[nfinityi]

Newsflash: I'm a.. *gulp*.. human being. There, that's a load off my chest. It had to come out sooner or later anyway.

On the plus side (and perhaps good news for you), I would never have accepted this if I wasn't absolutely certain that I am able to separate my personal feelings from my mod decisions.



Eh? When.. how.. why?? :think:

Wait a minute, you think everybody hates you by default, don't you?
Uh oh.

[songbird36]

Wait a minute, you think everybody hates you by default, don't you?

No not really...I try to base my assessments on evidence. Hate may have been too strong a word in reference to you - but I don't get a good vibe toward me from your posts. I'm quite happy to be wrong..

[Stoned_Rider]

Uh oh.
It's ok. I'm off to sleep now :)

[MacGuffin]

I'm off to sleep now
Is that slang for smoking pot?

[Rajah]

Ugh. That's what I thought.

Poor Rhu.
Yeah, and did you read that part about the biscuit? Yeesh.

[mgb]

This is all pretty much where I'm at right now. I'm absolutely prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt. I don't really understand why people have become so upset at me raising a potential issue - it doesn't mean it actually will become a problem.

Is it possible for you to realize how little you giving someone the benefit of the doubt actually means?

Wait don't answer that. I'll tell you. In the scope of things, it means less than me giving someone the benefit of the doubt. And that says an awful lot. Ask around, they'll tell you.

[songbird36]

Is it possible for you to realize how little you giving someone the benefit of the doubt actually means?

Wait don't answer that. I'll tell you. In the scope of things, it means less than me giving someone the benefit of the doubt. And that says an awful lot. Ask around, they'll tell you.

You seem to care more about what people think of you, than I do ;)

[mgb]

You seem to care more about what people think of you, than I do ;)

Maybe it's time you started, for everyone's sake. ;)

[songbird36]

Maybe it's time you started, for everyone's sake. ;)

Oh I'm sure you don't need to speak for everyone...INTPs are famously independently-minded, after all.

Anyway, my "off-topic" red alert is coming onto my screen right about now..

[e-Centric]

The OP by songbird36 made me examine my thoughts on moderation in general. Moderators should be able to make rational/impartial decisions, that's a given.

As far as an administrative decision to add a moderator, numerous factors are considered, and their decisions often are often an amalgam of the points made above.

First and foremost, the intent and desire of the moderator-prospect should be focused on maintaining as well as enhancing the forum experience for the average and prospective members. An even-handed approach and careful thought given to the decisions they will make (and how those decisions will be received) will go a long way in determining whether an individual moderator can meet the goals of the forum, as determined by the administrators.

Oftentimes, the intent and desire of a mod-prospect is only part of the decision made by the admins. Different forums have different criteria, but one quality is universal - regardless of the forum - but especially important on a privately owned forum. That quality is the ability of the moderator to have a "roughly" similar vision as the admins, and that necessitates an ability and willingness to work with the other madmins/mods and vice versa. This ability often goes beyond popularity contests or simply volunteering for the position, though these qualities must be considered.

The mod/admin community of any forum have to work closely together. That does not mean that they have to have similar opinions, nor does it mean dissent is stifled. That's not to say this doesn't happen, but the chances of it happening on a high-profile site such as INTPc are relatively low, with the possible destruction of a lively forum hanging in the balance.

That said,

Congrats Stoned_Rider! Long may you run :-)

[zhang_bob]

There's a wonderful argument: If Hustler can do it, ANYONE can. Trust me when I first joined INTPc Hustler was the most unpopular person by far, and he was the most ignored member. Prolific seems to have both achievements now.:gm: Sorry google, I just like your smiley.

[outmywindow]

Oh and I'm also not anti-moderators. There are IMO some very good ones here right now - specifically Ivy, Rajah, and OMW. I don't know enough about what a couple of the others actually do, to comment sensibly. Good Admins too - Kuranes and MacGuff.

Meh, you just say that because I don't really do much. ;)

Yeah, there are posters here who annoy me, and a very special few who annoy me a lot. Frankly, the only reason I don't just start playing god with them is because I don't want the other mods and admins to come knocking at my door. I've heard that Hustler is pretty mean with a tire iron. If it wasn't for the 'checks and balances' bit, I'd have banned a few people a while ago....

It is not for the forum's sake that I'm "very good" (your opinion), but for my own.

[songbird36]

...

It is not for the forum's sake that I'm "very good" (your opinion), but for my own.

That's the answer I'd expect from an INTP. From an INTJ I'd expect that they were moderating this way for the sake of the mod system integrity and the forums..

[Stoned_Rider]

Is that slang for smoking pot?



Member most likely to understand you for your true motivations:
I'll just go with my gut instinct here and say MacGuffin

I just know this sort of stuff :ph34r:

[Tlatoani]

Come on guys, it's not coincidence that practically every moderator and administrator from now or before is listed right in the Members List when sorted by number of posts in the first 2 pages. It is all about popularity.

Too bad you can't sort them by posts per day, this would allow a better chance when predicting who's going to be the next moderator or administrator, but still you'll notice the most prolific members are the most popular at a determinate moment.

This kind of pattern is the same in every other Forum I've been, so at least it's not unnatural, my conclusions out of this could be taken harshly so I'm not telling anything, but you make your own conclusions.

If you want a prediction, well... Fortunato, i think is most certainly going to be a Moderato (:p) soon.

[MacGuffin]

Come on guys, it's not coincidence that practically every moderator and administrator from now or before is listed right in the Members List when sorted by number of posts in the first 2 pages. It is all about popularity.

Too bad you can't sort them by posts per day, this would allow a better chance when predicting who's going to be the next moderator or administrator, but still you'll notice the most prolific members are the most popular at a determinate moment.

This kind of pattern is the same in every other Forum I've been, so at least it's not unnatural, my conclusions out of this could be taken harshly so I'm not telling anything, but you make your own conclusions.
Popularity?

Of course we want mods that are around and engaged in the forum. The more posts they have, the better a reading we get on them. How they will act as mods.

How else would you determine it?

[Rajah]

Come on guys, it's not coincidence that practically every moderator and administrator from now or before is listed right in the Members List when sorted by number of posts in the first 2 pages. It is all about popularity.

Too bad you can't sort them by posts per day, this would allow a better chance when predicting who's going to be the next moderator or administrator, but still you'll notice the most prolific members are the most popular at a determinate moment.

This kind of pattern is the same in every other Forum I've been, so at least it's not unnatural, my conclusions out of this could be taken harshly so I'm not telling anything, but you make your own conclusions.

If you want a prediction, well... Fortunato, i think is most certainly going to be a Moderato (:p) soon.Yeah, except most of my posts are from when posts in the modbox counted toward post count. In other words, I hardly had a ton of posts before becoming a mod.