Lying, falsehoods, deceptions, cheating, etc.

[nobarcode]

There have been several topics started with this an issue, but not the main focus in this sense. This is in regards to "other" people.

Is being lied to a major offense to you?

If you are being deceived (do you consider that word a definition of lying?), do you make issue with it outwardly right away, give the person the benefit of doubt, or let it go?

Do you find yourself arguing frequently over the technical definition of a lie?

Are you a score/record keeper?

Do people close to you often use the excuse for lying that it is your high "moral" standard (judgement) that led them to be "dishonest"?

*edit* additional question.

[Vagabond]

I think my high priority in such a case is to make sure (and I mean hard evidence) that this person actually lied to me. I'd hate to kick someone's ass and find out later that I was wrong - I am too hard on myself and I would have guilt chasing me like, forever. Yeah, lies disappoint me. They actually hurt me - depends on the opinion I had on the person of course and mostly, to the motives that lead them to lie.

Lies and deception are not the same thing to me - one can lie to you to protect you (among millions of other reasons), deception is... duh. Treason. I never recover from it. Again, and even more in this case, I have to make sure the other one is guilty before I feed them to the dogs.

I'm not sure what you mean by score keeping. I never forget, if that's what you mean - everything one does is an extra trait in their profiles that is printed in my mind. I don't hold grudges, but I go over these collected points in order to know where I stand with people. Unfortunately, I have a damn good memory too.

Not sure this is what you were asking for though.

[nobarcode]

I'm not sure what you mean by score keeping. I never forget, if that's what you mean - everything one does is an extra trait in their profiles that is printed in my mind. I don't hold grudges, but I go over these collected points in order to know where I stand with people. Unfortunately, I have a damn good memory too.

Yeah, that's exactly what I meant. And that memory thing you mentioned is..... I could just go on and on about that. I have the unfortunate ability to remember everything about any given conversation.

[Melody]

yehyeh I think we all have good memories. Unfortunately, I lose keys, pencils, credit cards, etc. like a madman.

[Vagabond]

yehyeh I think we all have good memories. Unfortunately, I lose keys, pencils, credit cards, etc. like a madman.
Extraordinary. I don't. But we are off the topic.

[paladinoflunaria]

I don't get frustrated when someone lies to me. I don't hold grudges, and I forget most of them; I can't think of a lie someone has told me off the top of my head. One less channel of shit I have to deal with.

[indczn]

I despise when people lie directly to me. I get insulted because it makes me feel like they dont think I can handle the truth. Lying just delays the inevitable and adds to the bullshit i have to sift through. That goes for anything, lieing, cheating, decieving, purposeful misrepresentation. Some of the above are worse than others, but in most cases, its serves some lame purpose. I think im refering to when people lie to me to "protect me" or to "control me."

I argue with others over what lying is alot. I have a wide definition of what a "lie" is.
Ironically, I am overly critical of others lies and never forget when someone lies to me. I also take cheating to be a serious offense and I am proud to say I helped bring down several people at my high school for it. Muahahaha.
I play poker, heh.

[INTrPosr]

It's always been my philosophy that people set themselves up to be lied to, or deceived. Then their reaction to learning of the deceit becomes exaagerated. A very simple illustration would be asking a child a rhetorical question then becoming unglued.

I think that lying or deceit is human nature and usually is done out of self preservation. From that context, shame on me for believing the person when I knew there statement, response, etc., was untrue.

[nobarcode]

yehyeh I think we all have good memories. Unfortunately, I lose keys, pencils, credit cards, etc. like a madman.
Extraordinary. I don't. But we are off the topic.
:D I might not be able to find something at the "right time", but I hardly ever loose anything.

Might be a good secondary topic (seperate post).

[nobarcode]

............ One less channel of shit I have to deal with.

:cheers:

[nobarcode]

It's always been my philosophy that people set themselves up to be lied to, or deceived. Then their reaction to learning of the deceit becomes exaagerated. A very simple illustration would be asking a child a rhetorical question then becoming unglued.

I think that lying or deceit is human nature and usually is done out of self preservation. From that context, shame on me for believing the person when I knew there statement, response, etc., was untrue.

This made me laugh, in a good way.

But what made you, personally (ok,generally), form that philosophy? ....the first part.

[Jkrs]

Is being lied to a major offense to you?
Yes; as several people have said, it's just more garbage to deal with. No one needs additional garbage.


If you are being deceived (do you consider that word a definition of lying?), do you make issue with it outwardly right away, give the person the benefit of doubt, or let it go?
Lying is to purposefully misinform someone. The definition of deception encompasses things like equivocating, where one provides inadequate information that tends to lead to an incorrect conclusion. This is also annoying, but less so than being outright lied to (what I get for trusting anything that anyone tells me without following it up on my own).
Unless it's on an important matter I'll usually appear to let it go, and just make note of it in the mental file I keep for the person.


Do you find yourself arguing frequently over the technical definition of a lie?
Nope, it's not something that tends to come up.


Are you a score/record keeper?
Yep. If someone starts to build a record for providing inaccurate information, their opinion has less and less weight, and I'll distance myself from them.


Do people close to you often use the excuse for lying that it is your high "moral" standard (judgement) that led them to be "dishonest"Nope.



I think that lying or deceit is human nature and usually is done out of self preservation.
If my line of questioning is making someone uncomfortable, they can tell me to back off. Unless it's for my own self-preservation, I will.

[Laeskis]

Lying is an abomination to me. A liar is worse than an animal. A strange and somewhat unbelievable thing about me is that I never never lie. (unbelievable like I said, but I don't care who believes it because I know it.)
The moral value of cheating depends on context.
Stealing is punishable by death in my mind....the law however, disagrees, so I must defer to administering a severe beating.

[file cabinet]

laeskis.. why do you abhor lying / stealing so much?

[int]

I've always been pretty secretive, so I don't mind it so much. I justify my "lies" I guess, their pretty petty and unimportant to others, in the long run. I just like my privavcy and will plan for it in times I wouldn't get it otherwise. Sometimes a "Go Away" doesn't work. An F off just makes people mad.

I get a little upset when someone pulls a big one over me, but I don't keep score.

[Laeskis]

I dislike lying and stealing partly because it represents (in my view) an inadequate, less-evolved and malformed personality... I dislike lying because it is contrary to the primary Ideal of Truth (which I hold in high regard) and I hate both stealing and lying because it seems that the perpetrator is somehow insulting me and/or trespassing on my natural rights as an individual (the Rights to Truth and Possession). Additionally those are intimate violations on my moral code which specifically dictate that one should not intentionally trespass upon the rights of others in any form...unless they deserve it. I also see lying and stealing as a lack of self-respect, and I cannot abide people without self-respect.
Given that I've such a disposition, I do have to consciously be aware that I should not put anyone in a position as to make lying a viable recourse. And I have to be able to distinguish between malevolent lying and a "forced" lie. An example of this: Asking a child: "Did your father take apples from my apple-tree?" If the child tells a lie I would not be angry. I would not be angry in cases along the same gist as this, being that these are what I would call "forced lies" or situations where a lie would be expected.
But if I were to sit a drink on a counter at a bar, and a guy knocks it over... and I say "Pardon, but did you knock over my glass?" If the guy lies in that case, then it is a malevolent lie and would get me a bit heated. (if someone owns up to what they do, I'm never angry)

[ohnoaninfp]

I totally hate being lied to, which is one of the reasons why I stopped talking to a bunch of friends of mine. Seriously, what is so hard about telling the fucking truth. Because of all the stories and the lies my friends put me through it is hard to trust anyone. How in the hell can you have friendship with out trust?