Random Socionics q/compare to MBTI

[NightCrawler]

Okay, so I was thinking "why on earth would they change INTP -> INTj?"

Then after much non-reading and such for a good month. I came up with an idea -- Ti Ne. Ti is a judging function and it is the first preference (because introverted). The more I was thinking of this, it hit me -- DUDE... maybe that's why Socionics has INTP typed differently! (As I was sitting on the lou, I wasn't even thinking about Socionics until I made this connection.)

So, INTp would mean an NT with its introverted function (first preference) will be its perceiving function. Who's that? INTJ (Ni Te)

I thought this made sense when I remembered randomly that someone said that it is "switched" for extroverts. ENTP -> ENTp (Ne Ti)

Am I wrong, or is for a different reason that they notate these? Or what?

[Jennywocky]

Okay, so I was thinking "why on earth would they change INTP -> INTj?"

Then after much non-reading and such for a good month. I came up with an idea -- Ti Ne. Ti is a judging function and it is the first preference (because introverted). The more I was thinking of this, it hit me -- DUDE... maybe that's why Socionics has INTP typed differently! (As I was sitting on the lou, I wasn't even thinking about Socionics until I made this connection.)

So, INTp would mean an NT with its introverted function (first preference) will be its perceiving function. Who's that? INTJ (Ni Te)

I thought this made sense when I remembered randomly that someone said that it is "switched" for extroverts. ENTP -> ENTp (Ne Ti)

Am I wrong, or is for a different reason that they notate these? Or what?

Kljoki can tell you more detail, but yeah, my understanding of it is that the Socionics folks feel like, if your primary function is a judging function, being called a "P" (and vice versa) makes no sense.

So they type J/P according to the primary function, not the extroverted function. Hency, INTj=MBTI INTP and INTp=MBTI INTJ.

[NightCrawler]

Sweet! And I figger'd it out on my own selph! Thanks, Fortunato.

[Kljoki]

Okay, so I was thinking "why on earth would they change INTP -> INTj?"

Then after much non-reading and such for a good month. I came up with an idea -- Ti Ne. Ti is a judging function and it is the first preference (because introverted). The more I was thinking of this, it hit me -- DUDE... maybe that's why Socionics has INTP typed differently! (As I was sitting on the lou, I wasn't even thinking about Socionics until I made this connection.)

So, INTp would mean an NT with its introverted function (first preference) will be its perceiving function. Who's that? INTJ (Ni Te)

Precisely.


I thought this made sense when I remembered randomly that someone said that it is "switched" for extroverts. ENTP -> ENTp (Ne Ti)Well it does switch, but not completely (The same goes for introverts). For extroverts the ego doesn't switch but depending on what MBTI model you use to portray the 8 functions something always "switches". For introverts the ego switches like you mention. But if you are using just the ego then you are right in the functional modeling, but you may wanna read this (http://www.the16types.info/forums/viewtopic.php?t=10212) first.

Also you shouldn't really use MBTI acronyms for socionics types cause they don't carry the same connotations. In socionics the same letters mean different things, they are simply used to portray your functional lineup and don't point to your personality like MBTI acronyms do. For example INTP in MBTI means you are introvert, a thinker, perceiver and intuitive. In socionics it means you're dominant function is a perceiving one, it is introvert, from the two other letters that leaves intuition (Because it is perceiving) as your dominant function and thinking as auxiliary (Which is opposite in attitude to the dominant, it's extroverted and judging).
If you want to look at personality use the temperaments or the reinin dichotomies or the quadras and when discussing socionics types try to use socionics acronyms. They're not that complicated, first letter for the dominant function, second for the auxiliary function and third on whether the dominant is introvert or extrovert, example, SLE - Sensory Logical Extrovert - SeTi. I think that way less people will be confused, but if you are not really comfortable using socionics acronyms, use the MBTI ones but be aware of the differences.

[I dont post much]

It makes much more sense now!! But I wonder why a lot of INTPs test as INTp? or maybe i'm not getting the whole picture here?

[Kljoki]

It makes much more sense now!! But I wonder why a lot of INTPs test as INTp? or maybe i'm not getting the whole picture here?

Cause the personalities are roughly the same. Personalities and stereotypes often attributed to ILI-s (INTp) are nearly identical to those of MBTI for INTP, meanign a person that is INTP should be ILI (INTp) by socionics.

(And testing as a type doesn't mean much in socionics. The main typing method is functional and behavioral analysis)

[Eldanen]

ENTp = INXP via Enneagram according to www.socionics.com. Anyone can confirm that this might be true?

[Kljoki]

ENTp = INXP via Enneagram according to www.socionics.com (http://www.socionics.com). Anyone can confirm that this might be true?

Well I can see that, many people typed as INTP-s in MBTI are typed as ILE-s (ENTp-s) in socionics (Einstein for example) but no I don't think that is the case. What I do think is the case is that LIE-s (ENTj-s) get typed as ENTP in MBTI and so do intelligent SLE-s (ESTp-s) (Actually anybody intelligent usually gets typed as some kind of an N in MBTI regardless of their socionics type).

I have trouble seeing how an ILE would type themselves as INFP as that would be so very much anti them, but I guess it's possible (If they're pathological or something).