Pushing Seawolf Over The Edge

[SolitaryWalker]

Isn't his rhetoric a product of his thoughts? What you are saying is that you don't see much merit in his ideas (?)

I'm a little confused as to how you can determine whether someone's thoughts have merit or not.

I guess you need to have some merit of thought to come up with a good rhetoric. But then again, you can present meaningless twaddle (like..http://www.intpcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4255) as something that is actually worth thinking about.


The fact that this wretched thread has gone on for over a 500 posts attests to the manifest lack of judgment and stupidity on the part of the public here...

People on INTPc obviously have not learned to distinguish between real thought and cheap sophisms.



[Edit by Rhu: Split from this old thread (http://forums.intpcentral.com/showthread.php?t=4524).]

[Madrigal]

People on INTPc obviously have not learned to distinguish between real thought and cheap sophisms.

So. Is that why you keep posting here?

I gave you some credit in the beginning, because you're young. But general statements about everyone's stupidity won't get you very far, not here or anywhere else.

[Madrigal]

Wait a minute. How does me generally being right and seeing the bigger picture but the rest of the board being too ignorant to grasp my wisdom make me a troll? I'm the good guy here!

Uhm, nevermind.

[SolitaryWalker]

So. Is that why you keep posting here?

I gave you some credit in the beginning, because you're young. But general statements about everyone's stupidity won't get you very far, not here or anywhere else.

And what makes you suspect that I may deem your opinion as that of having value of some kind?

And what makes you think that I am concerned 'with getting somewhere' here?

Maybe it could be that I am not concerned with getting credit from you or many of the readers here on INTPc, and this is why I have no problem pointing out their stupidity?

[Dr. Haight]

:popcorn:

[meshou]

And what makes you suspect that I may deem your opinion as that of having value of some kind?You're replying to her. Duh.


Maybe it could be that I am not concerned with getting credit from you or many of the readers here on INTPc, and this is why I have no problem pointing out their stupidity?This is hilarious shit.

[Madrigal]

And what makes you suspect that I may deem your opinion as that of having value of some kind?

I dunno. Perhaps the series of long PMs you sent me a while back, which I actually made an effort to respond to. :) You're welcome.


And what makes you think that I am concerned 'with getting somewhere' here?

Your uhm... passion?


Maybe it could be that I am not concerned with getting credit from you or many of the readers here on INTPc, and this is why I have no problem pointing out their stupidity?

What's in it for you?

[SolitaryWalker]

You're replying to her. Duh.

This is hilarious shit.

You're right. Just because I am replying to her it means that I deem for her opinion to be of some value, as opposed to none at all. However, this certainly does not mean that I give it enough credit to seriously be concerned with what she thinks.

[SolitaryWalker]

I dunno. Perhaps the series of long PMs you sent me a while back, which I actually made an effort to respond to. :) You're welcome.



Your uhm... passion?



What's in it for you?

I made a bad character judgment. I had respect for you at the time, I no longer do.

I should not have taken you seriously to begin with.

[Madrigal]

You're right. Just because I am replying to her it means that I deem for her opinion to be of some value, as opposed to none at all. However, this certainly does not mean that I give it enough credit to seriously be concerned with what she thinks.

Cease and desist, my dear seawolf. ;) I got your letters... want 'em back? You... you wouldn't be so cruel, would you?


I made a bad character judgment. I had respect for you at the time, I no longer do.

Oh I see, it's that last one I never answered, isn't it? I'll get right to it. I'll get back to each of it's 5000+ words. Meanwhile you may hope to kill some time here. (http://forums.intpcentral.com/showthread.php?t=7043)

[s0978]

:popcorn:

:lol:

[SolitaryWalker]

Cease and desist, my dear seawolf. ;) I got your letters... want 'em back? You... you wouldn't be so cruel, would you?



Oh I see, it's that last one I never answered, isn't it? I'll get right to it. I'll get back to each of it's 5000+ words. Meanwhile you may hope to kill some time here. (http://forums.intpcentral.com/showthread.php?t=7043)


Dont flatter yourself.

There were only two letters that came out over 500 words long.

First was with quotations from Schopenhauer.

The second was my explanation of Schopenhauer's philosophy.

Our discussion was mainly impersonal.

I dont need to respect one as a person to discuss ideas with them at great length, so dont feel special.

[Jennywocky]

You're right. Just because I am replying to her it means that I deem for her opinion to be of some value, as opposed to none at all. However, this certainly does not mean that I give it enough credit to seriously be concerned with what she thinks.

Oh, I get it -- he's just doing this for fun!

[Madrigal]

Dont flatter yourself.

Not a single letter was over 500 words long.

There were two.

First was with quotations from Schopenhauer.

The second was my explanation of Schopenhauer's philosophy.

Our discussion was mainly impersonal.

I dont need to like one or take them seirously in order to discuss ideas with them, so dont feel special.

Stop bluffing okay. We both know what they were about and how many there really were. You thought I was a friendly person, and I am. But since then you've insulted everyone here. My question is why you even remain with us. So I repeat, what's in it for you?

[SolitaryWalker]

Stop bluffing okay. We both know what they were about and how many there really were. You thought I was a friendly person, and I am. But since then you've insulted everyone here. My question is why you even remain with us. So I repeat, what's in it for you?

I do not 'remain' with the community. I just happen to be on its territory for my personal ends. I do not identify with this or that group of people. I am a solitary walker.

Whats in it for me? Playing around with ideas and practicing writing about them. And maybe chat with a few people that could be worthwile. Again I expect to find very few of those.

But again the people have nothing to do with my ambition of coming back to INTPc. They are just something that I may bump into accidentally while pursuing this or that end of my own.

[Madrigal]

First was with quotations from Schopenhauer.

The second was my explanation of Schopenhauer's philosophy.


PS: I'm a saint and a martyr.

[Jennywocky]

I do not 'remain' with the community. I just happen to be on its territory for my personal ends. I do not identify with this or that group of people. I am a solitary walker.

..


From "Stranger in a Strange Land" [Lost, Season #3]

Isabel: He walks amongst us, but he is not one of us. Your tattoos, that's what they say.

Jack: That's what they say. That's not what they mean.

[SolitaryWalker]

PS: I'm a saint and a martyr.

I'd be pleastantly surprised if you actually took my advice to go ahead and study him.

[meshou]

I do not 'remain' with the community. I just happen to be on its territory for my personal ends. I do not identify with this or that group of people. I am a solitary walker.Do you have a black trenchcoat, a band T and acne? Could you wring the grease out of your hair?

Also, have you considered it makes no fucking sense to consider a board full people people you don't respect a resource? You just sound like a high school loser.

[Madrigal]

I'd be pleastantly surprised if you actually took my advice to go ahead and study him.

Sorry, old Trotsky has been keeping me busy. :)

[SolitaryWalker]

Do you have a black trenchcoat, a band T and acne? Could you wring the grease out of your hair?

Also, have you considered it makes no fucking sense to consider a board full people people you don't respect a resource? You just sound like a high school loser.

Sure it makes sense. I am not an NF, so I am not people oriented. Whilst I can not enjoy the people here, there are plenty of other things here than I do enjoy. So the pleasure from those things that I get, outweighs the displeasure of having to deal with all of those people.

[SolitaryWalker]

Sorry, old Trotsky has been keeping me busy. :)

Damn... you didnt even go out to buy this very shot collection of his essays. There were only 8 in that book... around 130 pages total.. Suicide,Suffering and Immortality.

[Madrigal]

Damn... you didnt even go out to buy this very shot collection of his essays. There were only 8 in that book... around 130 pages total.. Suicide,Suffering and Immortality.

It isn't about length, seawolf. It's what you do with it.

[meshou]

It's bullshit in a utilitarian sense. If this community is a tool, and yet you deny any specific utility in it, one begins to suspect you're either dumb or lying.

[MacGuffin]

Man, stuff today keep reminding me of song lyrics:

I am a solitary walker.
This margin walker wants a clear view,
This margin walker wants a clear shot,
and now i'm shooting it right on you.
Untraceable, untranslatable,
I can't explain all i ever wanted to do
Trajectory passing right through me
Threads my needle sends it right through you.


You just sound like a high school loser.
I was a high school loser never made it with a lady
Till the boys told me somethin' I missed
Then my next door neighbor with a daughter had a favor
So I gave her just a little kiss
Like this

[SolitaryWalker]

It's bullshit in a utilitarian sense. If this community is a tool, and yet you deny any specific utility in it, one begins to suspect you're either dumb or lying.

I do not see how this shows that it is impossible for me to derive enough pleasure from this Forum to stay without finding the people enjoyable.

If you dont put a lot of weight on how you relate to people, being discontented with them and regarding them as idiots should not be a big loss to you. Hence not big enough of a loss to cause you to quit.


It's bullshit in a utilitarian sense. If this community is a tool, and yet you deny any specific utility in it, one begins to suspect you're either dumb or lying.

The point is, this collection of essays can inspire you to study Schopenhauer in depth.

This is what you get from it.

Instead of reading the 1200 page Parerga and Paralipomena to find the ideas that you would regard as useful and a source of inspiration to study Schopenhauer, you could just that short article for the same purpose.

[Toonia]

Stop the madness i say! Somebody PLEASE STOP THE MADNESS!

Seriously, if people are idiots and/or high school losers, it's all good. i'm sure we can all live with that? i do :stupid:

http://www.forumspile.com/WTF-Orangutan.jpg

This message was brought to you by the letters N and F

[meshou]

I do not see how this shows that it is impossible for me to derive enough pleasure from this Forum to stay without finding the people enjoyable.You said nothing about pleasure, you were talking about utility, and have either changed your stance or were lying.

In any case, I'm satisfied.

[meshou]

This message was brought to you by the letters N and FNo shit.

[Jennywocky]

I don't believe they're actually wasting time arguing about it, when it's pretty clear that the outcome will be no different than before.

But... it's certainly enough drama to spice up a boring Monday afternoon.

[Geoff]

:popcorn:

[SolitaryWalker]

You said nothing about pleasure, you were talking about utility, and have either changed your stance or were lying.

In any case, I'm satisfied.

Maybe Utility can come not from people's personalities but from people's actions?

For example, their personalities may be of little or no utility to me, but them posting and thus offering me opportunities to discuss ideas is where I find the utility.

[Rhu]

Split off from some thread about Hustler. I don't feel like moving it to Purgatory just yet. :)

[Jennywocky]

Split off from some thread about Hustler. I don't feel like moving it to Purgatory just yet. :)

I was thinking it belonged in Classics, to be honest.

[Rhu]

I was thinking it belonged in Classics, to be honest.
Time will tell.

[Toonia]

I don't believe they're actually wasting time arguing about it, when it's pretty clear that the outcome will be no different than before.

But... it's certainly enough drama to spice up a boring Monday afternoon.i know, i just had to add to the everybody crazy vibe.


This message was brought to you by the letters N and F
No shit.hilarious. 8O

[Jennywocky]

i know, i just had to add to the everybody crazy vibe.

The baby orang was a nice touch, I must say. And in such an enormous size...

[hereandnow]

Someone needs to get laid. For the first time.

[Rajah]

I do not see how this shows that it is impossible for me to derive enough pleasure from this Forum to stay without finding the people enjoyable.This forum is its people.

You might derive something more from it if you'd quit being such a pompous ass.

[cafe]

For example, their personalities may be of little or no utility to me, but them posting and thus offering me opportunities to discuss ideas is where I find the utility.
First you dismiss pretty much the entire forum membership as inferior intellects, then you say they offer you opportunities to discuss ideas. :huh: That just smells funny.

[MacGuffin]

First you dismiss pretty much the entire forum membership as inferior intellects, then you say they offer you opportunities to discuss ideas. :huh: That just smells funny.
Pat Healy: Really, it's only a side thing for my true passion.
Mary: And what's that?
Pat Healy: I work with retards.
Mary: Isn't that a little politically incorrect?
Pat Healy: Yeah, maybe, but hell, no one's gonna tell me who I can and can't work with.
http://dvdmedia.ign.com/media/reviews/image/mary_healy.jpg

[Dr. Haight]

First you dismiss pretty much the entire forum membership as inferior intellects, then you say they offer you opportunities to discuss ideas. :huh: That just smells funny.Yeah, it's almost . . . dare I say . . . illogical. :headphone:

[cafe]

Pat Healy: Really, it's only a side thing for my true passion.
Mary: And what's that?
Pat Healy: I work with retards.
Mary: Isn't that a little politically incorrect?
Pat Healy: Yeah, maybe, but hell, no one's gonna tell me who I can and can't work with.
Yeah. Like that.

[Rhu]

First you dismiss pretty much the entire forum membership as inferior intellects, then you say they offer you opportunities to discuss ideas. :huh: That just smells funny.

He's here to teach us to be smarter and better people like him.



This is for you, Seawolf:
:hug:

[hereandnow]

That just smells funny.

It's pretentious horsehit; an overcompensation for his own inferiority. He can't deal with it in any way save attacking the very people he dismisses but needs. Arguing with him is his chief desire and it speaks to the very small child lurking behind his forum name. Ignoring him would result in further posts attacking everyone around him until he gets the same attention he craved as a child.

I agree with the honorable and longstanding member who said that while it's fun to see him struggle it's sad to watch a young man attempt to stay afloat in a tank full of sharks. Who doesn't see through him is perhaps the obvious question.

[Prothero]

People on INTPc obviously have not learned to distinguish between real thought and cheap sophisms.

I offer both at bargain basement rates.

Although I read your threads with some interest, I find no need to respond to them. Whether I agree, or not, it doesn't really matter, or mean anything at all. There is the various ideal foundations that philosophers seek, and I used to find them fascinating. The thing is, there is also the real world where the ideal can be maintained within an individual's personal integrity.
Whatever I gained from the study of philosophy, I also reached the point where I had to accept that society is a more dynamic influence. Since that is where I must live, I often prefer mindless entertainment over deep and meaningful speculation.

Since I read just about every word written on INTPc I will continue to read yours. What I won't do is feel obligated to reject the more playful or absurd threads. I don't come here for real thoughts as you define them, but for the pleasure of sharing the interactions of people who are willing to live life the best they can (entertaining stuff.)

[Toonia]

I agree with the honorable and longstanding member who said that while it's fun to see him struggle it's sad to watch a young man attempt to stay afloat in a tank full of sharks. Who doesn't see through him is perhaps the obvious question.He is young. It is important to help him see that people are not as disappointing as he is suggesting. I am a little concerned about what types of things outside the forum would trigger his current negative view. Has anyone here ever taught college freshman? or high school seniors? I have, and that experience sheds a great deal of light on scenarios like this one.

[nfinityi]

Meanwhile you may hope to kill some time here. (http://forums.intpcentral.com/showthread.php?t=7043)
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Rajah]

He is young. It is important to help him see that people are not as disappointing as he is suggesting. I am a little concerned about what types of things outside the forum would trigger his current negative view. Has anyone here ever taught college freshman? or high school seniors? I have, and that experience sheds a great deal of light on scenarios like this one.Sorry, but I already have a child.

[hereandnow]

He is young. It is important to help him see that people are not as disappointing as he is suggesting. I am a little concerned about what types of things outside the forum would trigger his current negative view.

The only way, IMO, for him to see and understand is to experience it. No one here commands his respect or is beneath his contempt. In short he is driven in toto by his own insecurities and that which he holds dear is mere cover for childish attention seeking.

[nfinityi]

I guess you need to have some merit of thought to come up with a good rhetoric. But then again, you can present meaningless twaddle (like..http://www.intpcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4255) as something that is actually worth thinking about.


The fact that this wretched thread has gone on for over a 500 posts attests to the manifest lack of judgment and stupidity on the part of the public here...

People on INTPc obviously have not learned to distinguish between real thought and cheap sophisms.



[Edit by Rhu: Split from this old thread (http://forums.intpcentral.com/showthread.php?t=4524).]

You should have shortened it to this:

http://forums.intpcentral.com/showthread.php?t=7656

[Rhu]

You should have shortened it to this:

http://forums.intpcentral.com/showthread.php?t=7656

Oh. So THAT'S where I saw this thread before.

[nfinityi]

In all honesty, his online persona is exactly like zeitgeist's.

So, I'm going to intuit that he's a year or two away from his twenties, the product of a middle class town and home, probably a very large school system, with so many oppurtunities being thrown at him, by people he feels no gratitude toward that it must look like a carnival game. He probably has very few friends, and the ones he has around him he only keeps because they agree with him. He probably tells his friends that they are beneath him; directly when angry, with subtleties such as "well, not to be conceited, but you can carry a conversation with me, so you must be pretty intelligent," when his manner is mild.

He probably spends all day up in his room reading philosophy, thinking about nothing but how much the world sucks, and how it should conform to what he thinks is best.

He probably wants the game to change to something he'd like to play, not realizing that other people play the game because they like it the way it is, and they have no obligation to change for him.

Oh, and he probably treats the very few who have the patience to put up with him like shit.

So, long story short, he's probably like zeitgeist, except not as intelligent.

Harsh, I know. But it had to be said, once and for all. Maybe now it's apparent why I treat Seawolf399 with as much disdain as I do.

[nfinityi]

Oh, and he probably plays WoW/Guild Wars too.

[Jennywocky]

Oh, and he probably plays WoW/Guild Wars too.

Hey. Watch it.

(And no, Seawolf would disdain MMOs. He doesn't even watch television or follow pop culture. It's beneath him.... his words, I think, not mine.)

In fact, I bet me and Atilla could pwn him in WoW.

[nfinityi]

Hey. Watch it.
No worries. It's kind of like what we in New Jersey call a secondary traffic offense. It's kind of like not wearing your seatbelt. You can get a ticket for it, but you can't be pulled over for it. It's mostly something cops add on when someone's driving like a douche bag :grin:

[airjaw]

I don't feel like reading this whole post because i have a strong feelings its not worth my investment in time.

can anyone summarize the gist of this thread for me? i'd like to contribute a sarcastic reply before this thread dies.

[Rajah]

I don't feel like reading this whole post because i have a strong feelings its not worth my investment in time.

can anyone summarize the gist of this thread for me? i'd like to contribute a sarcastic reply before this thread dies.No need for background. Just chime in.

[Jennywocky]

No need for background. Just chime in.

Yes. Just make things up as you go, I'm sure it will fit.

[Hustler]

Hold on a minute, people. Let's not gang up on poor Seawolf for being the bombastic INTJ he is. If he says he derives pleasure from this forum despite the people, so be it. Maybe he does. His idiotic drivel, which he referred to as "ideas" earlier in the thread, I believe, has been largely contained to one thread, one thread which is very easily ignored, so now he's not even bothersome anymore in the spam department. I don't think anyone takes him seriously, do they? So what's the big deal if he wants to come here and get his so-called enjoyment from the place by deeming opinions worthless and then making use of said opinions to help inform his "ideas" about personality and whatever else? I don't mind. Would I prefer it if he were a better poster? Sure, of course I would. Who wouldn't? The guy's writing style is the very definition of obtuse, about as interesting as a bag of rusted ball bearings. He can't make an argument that isn't in list form, and even the lists are shitty. But, so what? We've had other posters who have been this tediously doltish, and I'm sure we'll get some more in his camp of witlessness in due time. It is a sad inevitability when dealing with other humans that some fraction of them will be fools. So, remember the words of Schopenhauer the next time you're reading one of Seawolf's posts and you are simply astounded by the wrongheadedness of it all: "Everyone takes the limits of his own vision for the limits of the world." Such is the case with our friend of such restricted intellect, and so it falls to us to make use of him as an exemplar of the unwise and, in doing so, skirt the many traps and pitfalls into which he ceaselessly plummets and bellows up his ponderous jibber-jabber from within.

Besides, look at the bright side of things. Thus far in this thread, he hasn't posted a paragraph that is 5,000 words in length, and he hasn't made a retarded list. And I do mean retarded. It looks like maybe he is developing as a poster. Who knows, but if this trend continues, maybe he'll make a good post before 2010.

[Jennywocky]

I don't know if "Good Cop, Bad Cop" is going to work this time.

(after rereading Hustler's post more closely) -- Or "Bad Cop, Bad Cop" either.

--

At this time, I am reminded of a quote from my uninspirational wall calendar:

http://images.despair.com/products/demotivators/mistakes.jpg

[airjaw]

damn that was the kind of sarcastic caustic reply i wanted to make.
nice.

[hereandnow]

Besides, look at the bright side of things. Thus far in this thread, he hasn't posted a paragraph that is 5,000 words in length, and he hasn't made a retarded list. And I do mean retarded. It looks like maybe he is developing as a poster. Who knows, but if this trend continues, maybe he'll make a good post before 2010.

:banana:

[meanlittlechimp]

I think part of the disconnect everyone is having with Mr. Seawolf is the following:

Seawolf when you do your well thought out analyses, I think you fail to consider that when someone has the same second function as another, it doesn't mean they have that function to the same degree. For instance, if an INTP's second function is Ne and an INFP second function is an Ne, it doesn't mean that the temperament, or even necessarily the individual, has Ne to the same degree. This detail can have drastic effect on the accuracy of your lists.

There isn't a lot of concrete basis for those lists. And when people don't respond using the same framework you're using, you don't consider it a valid response. At the same time, I know that you don't take your reasoning as the absolute truth either, and you are just trying to get a discussion started.

I personally like your lists as fun thought exercises, and I think something can indeed be learned from them.

I think my approach, however, is somewhat more effective. Which is typing as many people as you can accurately and imagining their behavior in terms of question at hand. This is how Jung came up with it, and I think it's a slightly better strategy re: those loved/hated lists you make. I think there is a need for both methods to come to a greater understanding of the material. You can't leave out life experience. The reason you find mbti interesting is that when you came upon it, it validated your own life experience - which made you delve into the subject further. You did not do a functions chart, and go, "Voila, this all makes sense now". You could have only done it in reference to your own experience.

Oh, the fact you are getting this much response, from your threads means they do respect you. And I think you respect more people here than you let on as well; otherwise you wouldn't post here as much as you do.

But by all means, keep the back and forth squabling going on here, I love these - who is more dumb - threads. It's like a fist fight at a star trek convention. A lot of posturing; but no one will actually get hurt. Some people like Picard (ENTJ), while others like Kirk (ENTP). The INTJs don't need to argue, they just know Spock is the best.

:popcorn: :popcorn: :duel: :popcorn: :popcorn:

[nfinityi]

I think part of the disconnect everyone is having with Mr. Seawolf is the following:

Seawolf when you do your well thought out analyses, I think you fail to consider that when someone has the same second function as another, it doesn't mean they have that function to the same degree. For instance, if an INTP's second function is Ne and an INFP second function is an Ne, it doesn't mean that the temperament or even necessarily the individual has Ne to the same degree. This detail can have drastic effect on the accuracy of your lists.

There isn't a lot of concrete basis for those lists. And when people don't respond using the same framework you're using, you don't consider it a valid response. At the same time, I know that you don't take your reasoning as the absolute truth either, and you are just trying to get a discussion started.

I personally like your lists as fun thought exercises, and I think something can indeed be learned from them.

I think my approach, however, is somewhat more effective. Which is typing as many people as you can accurately and imagining their behavior in terms of question at hand. This is how Jung came up with it, and I think it's a slightly better strategy re: those loved/hated lists you make. I think there is a need for both methods to come to a greater understanding of the material. You can't leave out life experience. The reason you find mbti interesting is that when you came upon it, it validated your own life experience - which made you delve into the subject further. You did not do a functions chart, and go, "Voila, this all makes sense now". You could have only done it in reference to your own experience.

Oh, the fact you are getting this much response, from your threads means they do respect you. And I think you respect more people here than you let on as well; otherwise you wouldn't post here as much as you do.

But by all means keep the back and forth squabling going on here, I love these - who is more dumb - threads. It's like a fist fight at a star trek convention. A lot of posturing but no one will actually get hurt.

:popcorn: :popcorn: :duel: :popcorn: :popcorn:
You mean to say that, people of the same type are still individuals?

:confused:

No. Surely, you jest.

[Jennywocky]

You mean to say that, people of the same type are still individuals?

:confused:

No. Surely, you jest.

Yeah. Figures. Just what I thought an XNFJ would say.

[Hustler]

There isn't a lot of concrete basis for those lists. And when people don't respond using the same framework you're using, you don't consider it a valid response. At the same time, I know that you don't take your reasoning as the absolute truth either, and you are just trying to get a discussion started.

That's Ni at work. Not Ne. Think about it.


Oh, the fact you are getting this much response, from your threads means they do respect you. And I think you respect more people here than you let on as well; otherwise you wouldn't post here as much as you do.
Can you justify these claims with anything resembling an argument? I'm pretty sure you're wrong and making a false generalization about human nature and respect, but I'd at least like to hear why you think that.

[hereandnow]

Oh, the fact you are getting this much response, from your threads means they do respect you.

Actually that's not true. The reason there are so many responses is the desire by many to see Seawolf depart. When public hangings were the norm people didn't come out because they respected those swinging from the noose. It's the same here.

I don't count myself among those people because Seawolf is easy to read and predictable. Plus he's an insecure kid.

[TheUniqueOne]

He probably has very few friends, and the ones he has around him he only keeps because they agree with him. He probably tells his friends that they are beneath him; directly when angry, with subtleties such as "well, not to be conceited, but you can carry a conversation with me, so you must be pretty intelligent," when his manner is mild.


I would agree that he has very few friends, but he's probably pretty down-tempo with them. I doubt he even talks much around them...

[Hustler]

Actually that's not true. The reason there are so many responses is the desire by many to see Seawolf depart. When public hangings were the norm people didn't come out because they respected those swinging from the noose. It's the same here.

Nice counterexample to that claim of chimp's. I had some similar things in mind, but the point is, yeah, it wasn't an accurate statement.

[Jennywocky]

Actually that's not true. The reason there are so many responses is the desire by many to see Seawolf depart. When public hangings were the norm people didn't come out because they respected those swinging from the noose. It's the same here.

I don't count myself among those people because Seawolf is easy to read and predictable. In fact it's becoming rather boring.

I don't really want to see Seawolf go. I just would like to see a Damascus Road-style transformation, where he just lets go of this insane need to dismiss the human side of himself and relax a little and have some fun. The consistent rigidity of his positions is what's setting many people off (well, that, and the seeming condescension) and is simply hard to tolerate, after repeated exposure.

[hereandnow]

I don't really want to see Seawolf go. I just would like to see a Damascus Road-style transformation, where he just lets go of this insane need to dismiss the human side of himself and relax a little and have some fun. The consistent rigidity of his positions is what's setting many people off (well, that, and the seeming condescension) and is simply hard to tolerate, after repeated exposure.

I'd prefer he stay as well. He needs some feedback in his life and at least here, every few threads, people are telling him what they think. Besides, he won't depart. This forum provides a place for him to throw fits without any real consequences. He'd no doubt ache if he were no longer able to post.

[nfinityi]

and is simply hard to tolerate, after repeated exposure.
Kind of like chlorine gas.

[meanlittlechimp]

That's Ni at work. Not Ne. Think about it.


Can you justify these claims with anything resembling an argument? I'm pretty sure you're wrong and making a false generalization about human nature and respect, but I'd at least like to hear why you think that.

Ok maybe I was wrong. If you don't respect him would you say he amuses you? It's not like you guys have to respond to his threads. When I first started posting here he had some of the most active threads in the mbti section of the forum.

[Prothero]

I failed to consider his age. At least there's hope he will grow out of it:

"Youre still young, thats your fault, theres so much you have to know." ~ Cat Stevens
"Nobody can be so amusingly arrogant as a young man who has just discovered an old idea and thinks it is his own." ~ Sydney Harris

[TheUniqueOne]

wait. how old is he? my guess is 17

[Sierim]

I don't mind Seawolf's threads, as they tend to take a system and propose a hypothesis based on some presuppositions (supported or unsupported) which I may analyze to my heart's content.

Still, at times he may come across as a self-proclaimed light to the INTPc forum readers (a title which fits him well, considering his constant self-dousing with oil and calling upon others to flame him).

[hereandnow]

If you don't respect him would you say he amuses you? It's not like you guys have to respond to his threads.

At times he's amusing but not due to his effort.

[Hustler]

Ok maybe I was wrong. If you don't respect him would you say he amuses you? It's not like you guys have to respond to his threads. When I first started posting here he had some of the most active threads in the mbti section of the forum.
I rarely respond to his threads. I used to try to give him some feedback, but he proved himself unworthy of anything but lampooning (http://forums.intpcentral.com/showthread.php?t=17717). Now I generally just give him attention if he shows his face and weighs in with his blustering inanity in a thread I actually give a shit about. I don't respect him and, while I do derive a touch of amusement from his efforts, the amusement has been on a steady decline toward zero for months. But, hey, I'm an optimistic guy in my Ne, and so I allow for the possibility that he's going to transform into a better poster and more valuable community member merely through interacting with his superiors here for long enough. Even though he's an INTJ, and stolid to boot, he cannot help but be influenced by the wise among whom he elects to surround himself.

[Kyrielle]

As annoyingly rigid as his posts are, I wish he'd ditch the condescension and actually listen and take into account what people are telling him. Perhaps do more than dismiss their opinions...like, oh I don't know, listen carefully, evaluate his theories against the evidence other people are contributing, and reformat them as is neccessary. I get sick of reading thinkgs like "this is not a logical argument" when the argument presented is completely logical. I would be so much more interested in his threads if they didn't make me think I was trying to eat sand by reading them.

[SolitaryWalker]

Hold on a minute, people. Let's not gang up on poor Seawolf for being the bombastic INTJ he is. If he says he derives pleasure from this forum despite the people, so be it. Maybe he does. His idiotic drivel, which he referred to as "ideas" earlier in the thread, I believe, has been largely contained to one thread, one thread which is very easily ignored, so now he's not even bothersome anymore in the spam department. I don't think anyone takes him seriously, do they? So what's the big deal if he wants to come here and get his so-called enjoyment from the place by deeming opinions worthless and then making use of said opinions to help inform his "ideas" about personality and whatever else? I don't mind. Would I prefer it if he were a better poster? Sure, of course I would. Who wouldn't? The guy's writing style is the very definition of obtuse, about as interesting as a bag of rusted ball bearings. He can't make an argument that isn't in list form, and even the lists are shitty. But, so what? We've had other posters who have been this tediously doltish, and I'm sure we'll get some more in his camp of witlessness in due time. It is a sad inevitability when dealing with other humans that some fraction of them will be fools. So, remember the words of Schopenhauer the next time you're reading one of Seawolf's posts and you are simply astounded by the wrongheadedness of it all: "Everyone takes the limits of his own vision for the limits of the world." Such is the case with our friend of such restricted intellect, and so it falls to us to make use of him as an exemplar of the unwise and, in doing so, skirt the many traps and pitfalls into which he ceaselessly plummets and bellows up his ponderous jibber-jabber from within.

Besides, look at the bright side of things. Thus far in this thread, he hasn't posted a paragraph that is 5,000 words in length, and he hasn't made a retarded list. And I do mean retarded. It looks like maybe he is developing as a poster. Who knows, but if this trend continues, maybe he'll make a good post before 2010.


Thank you for reinforcing my argument that all you are capable of is just cheap sophisms.

[SolitaryWalker]

As annoyingly rigid as his posts are, I wish he'd ditch the condescension and actually listen and take into account what people are telling him. Perhaps do more than dismiss their opinions...like, oh I don't know, listen carefully, evaluate his theories against the evidence other people are contributing, and reformat them as is neccessary. I get sick of reading thinkgs like "this is not a logical argument" when the argument presented is completely logical. I would be so much more interested in his threads if they didn't make me think I was trying to eat sand by reading them.


First understand the theory, than attempt a critique. Never the other way around.

[TheUniqueOne]

i wish he'd stop being a n00b...there is more to philosophy than kant and schopenhauer

[SolitaryWalker]

I don't really want to see Seawolf go. I just would like to see a Damascus Road-style transformation, where he just lets go of this insane need to dismiss the human side of himself and relax a little and have some fun. The consistent rigidity of his positions is what's setting many people off (well, that, and the seeming condescension) and is simply hard to tolerate, after repeated exposure.


There is no rigidity. You again have demonstrated your inability to grasp ideas of which you attempt criticism.


This is very common to see from you. So I am not surprised you doing this again. Although you have not sunk as low as Hustler yet. At least you are trying to figure things out whereas, out of all of Hustler's posts I have not found a single idea of value.

[meshou]

Thank you for reinforcing my argument that all you are capable of is just cheap sophisms.He pays well for them sophisms, and he came out lookin better than you anyway.

[Krill]

There is no rigidity. You again have demonstrated your inability to grasp ideas of which you attempt criticism.

Irony can be rigid. It's certainly true in this case.

[TheUniqueOne]

oh man...this looks like it's about to turn into a lynch mob

[meanlittlechimp]

As annoyingly rigid as his posts are, I wish he'd ditch the condescension and actually listen and take into account what people are telling him. Perhaps do more than dismiss their opinions...like, oh I don't know, listen carefully, evaluate his theories against the evidence other people are contributing, and reformat them as is neccessary. I get sick of reading thinkgs like "this is not a logical argument" when the argument presented is completely logical. I would be so much more interested in his threads if they didn't make me think I was trying to eat sand by reading them.

I totally hear you. He does need to settle down. I just read some of his exchanges recently in the "Poll; Genius or fucking idiot" thread. He does bring a lot of this on himself.

Hustler has the same aggressive, you are all idiots approach, but he does it with more humor (and you get the sense he's half kidding). Seawolf responds in kind, but he doesn't do as good of a job at it. You also get the sense he's more serious. Hustler doesn't seem to let the boom drop on you until there is a bit more evidence. Seawolf does pull the trigger earlier, with the your illogical or dumb approach, which is a lot of the reason behind the reaction to him here.

I'm still amused by the whole thing regardless, but I understand all the points being made here.

[Ivy]

Hustler has the same aggressive, you are all idiots approach, but he does it with more humor (and you get the sense he's half kidding).

Maybe a quarter.

[SolitaryWalker]

Actually that's not true. The reason there are so many responses is the desire by many to see Seawolf depart. When public hangings were the norm people didn't come out because they respected those swinging from the noose. It's the same here.

I don't count myself among those people because Seawolf is easy to read and predictable. Plus he's an insecure kid.

The proof for this would have to be biographical.

This is just like reading Hegel and saying because he uses so many complex words that noone understands, and it seems like he is being deliberately obscure. Hmm... maybe from this it follows that he is not a real philosopher but a charlatan, that he is intentionally trying to deceive.

No, no good. We cant know if he is intentionally trying to deceive just by reading his works.

Just like we can not know much about the poster just by reading their theories. We would have to read more about the events that took place in their life.

I stand by my assertion that much of what Hustler, TheUniqueOne and Fortunato have been saying for the last few months, both in this thread and many of their ideas in the past was just shallow cant.

They just merely wanted to look smart as opposed to be smart. They were merely sophists and can not be regarded as real thinkers.

They have enough of my respect to even address my posts. Very soon they will be relegated to the same category as this one individual that I have on block, whose name I have kept out of my posts and will continue to do so.

Hustler will be first to be relegated to the category of people who are not worth responding to at all. Fortunato shall be next.

So as far as Fortunato and Hustler are concerned, you certainly may write all you want in response to my threads, though the chances are that I will stop reading them in the near future.

[meanlittlechimp]

Maybe a quarter.

That sounds about right.

Also, hustler plays the asshole occasionally to illicit response and make the forum more dynamic. I don't get the sense his main purpose is to put others down or feel superior. I don't think Seawolf starts out that way either (but does geniunely end up that way), because he is reacting, once he's been ridiculed enough.

[SolitaryWalker]

I totally hear you. He does need to settle down. I just read some of his exchanges recently in the "Poll; Genius or fucking idiot" thread. He does bring a lot of this on himself.

Hustler has the same aggressive, you are all idiots approach, but he does it with more humor (and you get the sense he's half kidding). Seawolf responds in kind, but he doesn't do as good of a job at it. You also get the sense he's more serious. Hustler doesn't seem to let the boom drop on you until there is a bit more evidence. Seawolf does pull the trigger earlier, with the your illogical or dumb approach, which is a lot of the reason behind the reaction to him here.

I'm still amused by the whole thing regardless, but I understand all the points being made here.


Why are even discussing this clumsy sophist like Hustler in this thread? We are giving him too much honor.

[SolitaryWalker]

He pays well for them sophisms, and he came out lookin better than you anyway.

Isnt this the purpose of a sophism? To just look good as opposed to be good?

[Rhu]

Hustler will be first to be relegated to the category of people who are not worth responding to at all.

Oooh, bad news about that one...

[meshou]

Why are even discussing this clumsy sophist like Hustler in this thread? We are giving him too much honor.'Cause this is a spinoff of a thread in his honor, isn't it?

In any case, he's awesome, so who cares?

[Sierim]

First understand the theory, than [sic] attempt a critique. Never the other way around.

Have you considered that in order to understand a theory, one must consider the statements on which it is founded? If those statements themselves seem invalid, critiques should be made in order to bring about congruency. If something is misunderstood, the creator should be able to reconcile the various pieces logically (so long as such a reconciliation is possible). Otherwise, if the contradiction proves real, the theory collapses (though the possibility of reform may remain).

This is a logical test. If the theory is solid, its foundation is solid. Therefore, if the foundation is not solid (and this should be open for testing), the theory is not solid.

[TheUniqueOne]

Hmmm...I believe I have at least attempted to respond to what can be called your "philosophisizing." Your problem is that I don't agree with anything you say because most, if not all, of your conceptions of the world are out-dated or terribly naive. Furthermore, you don't seem to understand the work of the people that you quote, throwing around Kant and Schopenhauer without even adequately understanding their metaphysical ideas...

P.S. are you comparing yourself to hegel? nice...

[meshou]

Oooh, bad news about that one...Oo! Oo! What?

[Ivy]

That sounds about right.

Also, hustler plays the asshole occasionally to illicit response and make the forum more dynamic. I don't get the sense his main purpose is to put others down or feel superior.

Shh! It's less funny when it's all out on the table!

[SolitaryWalker]

This forum is its people.

You might derive something more from it if you'd quit being such a pompous ass.

Ok, so if I dont like the people and do not wish to relate to them on a personal level. This basically means that I am a parasite. I only take what they give to me and do not return the appreciation that they are due.

This may not be ethically justifiable, but indeed a possible thing to do.

[Rhu]

Oo! Oo! What?
You can't ignore mods or admins!






Believe me, if I had my way, C.J.Woolf's posts wouldn't exist to me on this forum.

[meshou]

You can't ignore mods or admins!I didn't know that! Did that just change?

[Ivy]

You can't ignore mods or admins!






Believe me, if I had my way, C.J.Woolf's posts wouldn't exist to me on this forum.

That guy is such a sophist.

[SolitaryWalker]

Hmmm...I believe I have at least attempted to respond to what can be called your "philosophisizing." Your problem is that I don't agree with anything you say because most, if not all, of your conceptions of the world are out-dated or terribly naive. Furthermore, you don't seem to understand the work of the people that you quote, throwing around Kant and Schopenhauer without even adequately understanding their metaphysical ideas...

P.S. are you comparing yourself to hegel? nice...

So far you did nothing to show why you disagree. So for the sake of the argument your suppositions were arbitrary. You said you disagree and made no effort to justify your clauses.

So whatever you had to say ought not to be taken seriously, untill we find evidence of you using your Ti, and not just following random Intuitive leaps.

[hereandnow]

though the chances are that I will stop reading them in the near future.

Because Seawolf values the responses from the people he named. Thus, instead of stating he will tune them out he states he will do so in the near future.

[nfinityi]

They have enough of my respect to even address my posts. Very soon they will be relegated to the same category as this one individual that I have on block, whose name I have kept out of my posts and will continue to do so.
I shall cry myself to sleep tonight, as I'm sure they will.

[SolitaryWalker]

Because Seawolf values the responses from the people he named. Thus, instead of stating he will tune them out he states he will do so in the near future.

Yes, this means that I am not entirely convinced that they are not worth listening to.

Though at the rate they are going, it is highly likely that I will arrive at that conclusion very soon.

Hustler should be able to beat Fortunato to it.

And this is the last time I will have responded to your posts for time frame of the near future.

[Rhu]

That guy is such a sophist.
I know! Anyone with a name that has the word "wolf" contained in it deserves immediate banning. Grr.


I didn't know that! Did that just change?
It's always been that way. One of the few perks of the position, I suppose, is the infinite, software-granted ability to harrass.

[meshou]

I know! Anyone with a name that has the word "wolf" contained in it deserves immediate banning. Grr.Fuckin SOLD.

[Kanamori]

A long list of viewers... Another Hustler in the making??

Too few disciples.

[nfinityi]

ARGHHH! I HAVE CLASS IN 7 MINUTES BUT THE THREAD IS SO DAMNED ENTERTAINING! WHAT TO DO?!?!?!?!

[TheUniqueOne]

So far you did nothing to show why you disagree. So for the sake of the argument your suppositions were arbitrary. You said you disagree and made no effort to justify your clauses.

So whatever you had to say ought not to be taken seriously, untill we find evidence of you using your Ti, and not just following random Intuitive leaps.

Lol. what have you used to support your claims? You've referred to a mysterious "chimp study" (the data of which you probably misinterpreted), you've tried to use Einsteinian physics to support process metaphysics, you've said that we need to take certain propositions "on faith" in order to build a metaphysical system...and when people ask you questions you just keep repeating what you've said...

[Ivy]

ARGHHH! I HAVE CLASS IN 7 MINUTES BUT THE THREAD IS SO DAMNED ENTERTAINING! WHAT TO DO?!?!?!?!

Go to class, you silly! The posts will still be here when you get back. I mean, I assume. :ph34r:

[hereandnow]

Though at the rate they are going, it is highly likely that I will arrive at that conclusion very soon.

Hustler should be able to beat Fortunato to it..

You admire them because they are what you desire to be-intellectual without sounding like they're reading from a book. Push them away just to garner more of their attention. Predictable. (Told you that would be a response)


And this is the last time I will have responded to your posts for time frame of the near future

I understand. Just keep responding to the people you admire-it helps you grow as a human being and that's essential for you.

[nfinityi]

Go to class, you silly! The posts will still be here when you get back. I mean, I assume. :ph34r:
You're right! And I think that statement applies to Seawolf399 too!

:joft: :ph34r:

[nfinityi]

Lol. what have you used to support your claims? You've referred to a mysterious "chimp study" (the data of which you probably misinterpreted), you've tried to use Einsteinian physics to support process metaphysics, you've said that we need to take certain propositions "on faith" in order to build a metaphysical system...and when people ask you questions you just keep repeating what you've said...
Uhmm lolz. You have offered no explanation as to why you disagree. Just that you disagree. kthxbiotch.

[SolitaryWalker]

Lol. what have you used to support your claims? You've referred to a mysterious "chimp study" (the data of which you probably misinterpreted), you've tried to use Einsteinian physics to support process metaphysics, you've said that we need to take certain propositions "on faith" in order to build a metaphysical system...and when people ask you questions you just keep repeating what you've said...

Why dont you just PM me so we can have a real discussion about this, as opposed to just fragmented philosophical polemics on the Message Board.

[nfinityi]

Why dont you just PM me so we can have a real discussion about this, as opposed to just fragmented philosophical polemics on the Message Board.
I remember when you said that to me.

You PM'd me all like, "Can we work this out?"

I'm all like, "Totally."

Two days later...

*Seawolf399 taps his foot via PM* "I'm waiting."

And I'm all like "Oh Bitchz pleaz" and don't respond.

[TheUniqueOne]

1. seawolf kept referring to this phantom "chimp study" as support for free will, but never produced evidence or a link
2. wolfie thinks that einsteinian physics conceives of matter as "force trapped in a unit" and uses that as a justification for ontological idealism. the only problem is that he is equivocating on the term force. force in his sense, is some sort of mental power that runs the universe. in terms of physics, force is anything which causes an object to accelerate (making his initial proposition false).
3. taking propositions on faith is a terrible way to conduct philosophy. if the best you can do is build a metaphysical system out of leaps of faith, then the metaphysical system will not withstand any sort of investigation with intellectual rigor...

[TheUniqueOne]

Why dont you just PM me so we can have a real discussion about this, as opposed to just fragmented philosophical polemics on the Message Board.

iite. not today tho

[SolitaryWalker]

1. seawolf kept referring to this phantom "chimp study" as support for free will, but never produced evidence or a link
2. wolfie thinks that einsteinian physics conceives of matter as "force trapped in a unit" and uses that as a justification for ontological idealism. the only problem is that he is equivocating on the term force. force in his sense, is some sort of mental power that runs the universe. in terms of physics, force is anything which causes an object to accelerate (making his initial proposition false).
3. taking propositions on faith is a terrible way to conduct philosophy. if the best you can do is build a metaphysical system out of leaps of faith, then the metaphysical system will not withstand any sort of investigation with intellectual rigor...

Some propositions are justified in virtue of apriori, this isnt the same thing as accepting things on faith.

As far as faith is concerned, this is about how we can believe things without having certainty in them.

For instance, we could extrapolate a 75% chance of theory A being true, and will believe that it is true on faith because nothing better has arrived, or nothing with a higher probability of being true.

So the way I am using the word faith has little relevance to the way it is used in the traditions of religious fideism.

[nfinityi]

lolz at how many people are watching the thread.

Why has no one rated it yet though?

Rates!

5 stars biotch!

[hereandnow]

iite. not today tho

:rofl:

[Prothero]

Ok, so if I dont like the people and do not wish to relate to them on a personal level. This basically means that I am a parasite. I only take what they give to me and do not return the appreciation that they are due.

This may not be ethically justifiable, but indeed a possible thing to do.

This might have been interesting. Instead of feeding off philosophers of the past, and offering your not so original musings on their claims, you could have worked from your own premise that "This may not be ethically justifiable . . ."
Is it true, or not? Are you capable of working the argument to an logical conclusion, or are you merely a philosophical parasite that requires a host body of thought to survive?
No doubt you will take offense at the suggestion that your speculations are not original. Take it how you will, but it is not meant as an insult. Just an observation of what has been presented in your threads.

Now, can I be added to your blocked list?

[SolitaryWalker]

This might have been interesting. Instead of feeding off philosophers of the past, and offering your not so original musings on their claims, you could have worked from your own premise that "This may not be ethically justifiable . . ."
Is it true, or not? Are you capable of working the argument to an logical conclusion, or are you merely a philosophical parasite that requires a host body of thought to survive?
No doubt you will take offense at the suggestion that your speculations are not original. Take it how you will, but it is not meant as an insult. Just an observation of what has been presented in your threads.

Now, can I be added to your blocked list?


And what evidence do you have of them not being original?

Or are you just going to go along with the company of other sophists and just say that they are unoriginal and provide no argument to support that clause?

[omnirook]

I'll say one thing for Seawolf - he doesn't get ignored! Damn - 13 pages, 124 posts - and all of them w/in 48 hours!

Hey - if nothing else, he knows how to market ... Maybe you should think about that careerwise ...

I'm a bit guilty here, too - I think that I got Seawolf to read Schopenhauer, my favorite philosopher. I love Schopenhauer - but I've not got Seawolf's ability to get so many of you going - and coming back! Bravo, Seawolf!

[SolitaryWalker]

I'll say one thing for Seawolf - he doesn't get ignored! Damn - 13 pages, 124 posts - and all of them w/in 48 hours!

Hey - if nothing else, he knows how to market ... Maybe you should think about that careerwise ...

I'm a bit guilty here, too - I think that I got Seawolf to read Schopenhauer, my favorite philosopher. I love Schopenhauer - but I've not got Seawolf's ability to get so many of you going - and coming back! Bravo, Seawolf!

No, you did not inspire me to study Schopenhauer. Writings of Bryan Magee and Richard Taylor is what got me around to it.

[hereandnow]

but I've not got Seawolf's ability to get so many of you going - and coming back! Bravo, Seawolf!

It's his inability rather than ability. If you peruse his posts they are verbose but lacking in any solid evidence other than what he feels at the moment-yet he requires others to provide evidence of their claims. Any Philosophy professor would spot a familiar pattern of ill formed sophistication in Seawolf.

Further, with respect to people coming back, it's like chum in a tank of sharks.

[cafe]

Further, with respect to people coming back, it's like chum in a tank of sharks.
Mmmmm . . . chum.

Nah, really. Things are getting to the "Show's over, folks. Nothing to see here. Move along." stage now. A hard head is a hard head.

[Prothero]

And what evidence do you have of them not being original?

Or are you just going to go along with the company of other sophists and just say that they are unoriginal and provide no argument to support that clause?

Maybe I missed the original ones. What I have seen isn't bad, but tends to be the same variation on a theme. Thoughts that are found in any classroom where the students care about the subject matter (that is why it was not an insult.)
Many of us have been there, and probably a few of us thought we were discovering something original in the words we read. From that we believed our own perspective was new and unique (we were wrong.)
I respect your enthusiasm. What I dislike is your hostility towards those who read your posts, but view them as a memory rather than a revelation. Philosophers seek answers to an ideal. We can benefit from the study of what they find. What we also have to do is move on and live in the real world that doesn't give a damn about the ideal. You either live in one world, or the other because they don't really mix well.

Maybe later I will find examples from your previous posts. Obviously you aren't willing to accept the challenge to start with a premise and work your own magic on it. If I am a sophist, why not prove you are not?

Now can I make it onto your blocked list?

[omnirook]

No, you did not inspire me to study Schopenhauer. Writings of Bryan Magee and Richard Taylor is what got me around to it.

Crusty like Schopenhauer, too! At least Kant was friendly and a good host, quite the busy social butterfly - especially for an ugly little man w/a big head atop a tiny, skinny body - if he hadn't been so charming, he would not have been everybody's favorite professor - and he was, for decades ... Schopenhauer had money. He didn't need anybody's love - except for that dog of his. Do you have a dog? ... I know, I did something along the way to annoy you. Ah, well - I annoy most people, why should you be different? - only you should take what support you get around here! - even if it comes in the form of backhanded compliments ... Oh, Schopenhauer had a rich sense of humor. I hope that you realized that when reading him.

[Jennywocky]

There is no rigidity. You again have demonstrated your inability to grasp ideas of which you attempt criticism. This is very common to see from you. So I am not surprised you doing this again. Although you have not sunk as low as Hustler yet.

Come on, Hustler, grab my ankles... Maybe if I paddle hard enough, I can pull us both up to the surface.

(You know, it's kind of like watching The Apprentice, when everyone goes in the boardroom: Their very acts of denial usually just further prove the point that is trying to be made of them.)

[Prothero]

I found something that could have proved me wrong. Rather than post the whole thing, it was followed up with:

"Shall anyone try to read the Essay that I have just posted?"

I did, again. If it weren't for the constant need to fall back on the works of others, this one could have gone somewhere. There's nothing wrong with an occasional reference, but as a brief quote to support, or to show what you're arguing against, not the bulk of the argument you claim as your own.
It was the best I could find in that it almost became something original. It made me wonder if what you really need to do is stop relying on the past to argue a point and rely more on yourself.

[Jennywocky]

I know, I did something along the way to annoy you. Ah, well - I annoy most people, why should you be different? - only you should take what support you get around here! - even if it comes in the form of backhanded compliments ...

Yes, Seawolf -- Omni is completely and irrevocably annoying, but you don't see me insulting HIM all the time, do you?

(Oh, I do love having that old bastard around! He makes me laugh so!)

[cafe]

Yes, Seawolf -- Omni is completely and irrevocably annoying, but you don't see me insulting HIM all the time, do you?

(Oh, I do love having that old bastard around! He makes me laugh so!)
Hey! I like Omni. Some of my favorite people are charmingly full of it.

[SolitaryWalker]

It's his inability rather than ability. If you peruse his posts they are verbose but lacking in any solid evidence other than what he feels at the moment-yet he requires others to provide evidence of their claims. Any Philosophy professor would spot a familiar pattern of ill formed sophistication in Seawolf.

Further, with respect to people coming back, it's like chum in a tank of sharks.

The reason why I regard so many people on this forum with so little intellectual respect is because they tend to make claims that they do not provide justifications for.


So, if you want me to respond well to your threads dont just throw an assertion out there, show me why one should accept what you say as the truth.


Crusty like Schopenhauer, too! At least Kant was friendly and a good host, quite the busy social butterfly - especially for an ugly little man w/a big head atop a tiny, skinny body - if he hadn't been so charming, he would not have been everybody's favorite professor - and he was, for decades ... Schopenhauer had money. He didn't need anybody's love - except for that dog of his. Do you have a dog? ... I know, I did something along the way to annoy you. Ah, well - I annoy most people, why should you be different? - only you should take what support you get around here! - even if it comes in the form of backhanded compliments ... Oh, Schopenhauer had a rich sense of humor. I hope that you realized that when reading him.

Yes, Schopenhauer was a scintillating lecturer.


I found something that could have proved me wrong. Rather than post the whole thing, it was followed up with:

"Shall anyone try to read the Essay that I have just posted?"

I did, again. If it weren't for the constant need to fall back on the works of others, this one could have gone somewhere. There's nothing wrong with an occasional reference, but as a brief quote to support, or to show what you're arguing against, not the bulk of the argument you claim as your own.
It was the best I could find in that it almost became something original. It made me wonder if what you really need to do is stop relying on the past to argue a point and rely more on yourself.


Why dont you go back and read it again. I am not looking for help with my ideas. I want for someone to post a theory that purports to refute mine.

[puzzled-observer]

Why dont you go back and read it again. I am not looking for help with my ideas. I want for someone to post a theory that purports to refute mine.

isn't that the same as asking for help? i assume the reason you want them to post their theories is to find a possible flaw in yours.

[Nightning]

Why dont you go back and read it again. I am not looking for help with my ideas. I want for someone to post a theory that purports to refute mine.

Random suggestion... why don't you try coming up with another theory that can refute your original one? More productive that way no? Compare those two theories head-on... figure out what works and what doesn't then pick one to refine... then repeat process.

[SolitaryWalker]

isn't that the same as asking for help? i assume the reason you want them to post their theories is to find a possible flaw in yours.

Not necessarily asking for help... just asking for action...basically like putting the model that you just built on the market and see how it fairs with that of others..

[Prothero]

Why dont you go back and read it again. I am not looking for help with my ideas. I want for someone to post a theory that purports to refute mine.

Very little of the double post was yours. Each time I felt you were going somewhere with an idea your resorted to what others before you believed. Granting that you probably intend to use them to endorse, what I'm suggesting is more of you, less of them might achieve something worth the effort to read the 3rd time (the ratio seems reversed.) It was more impressive than the other posts I looked through (the beginning of originality.)

[Kropotkin]

Seawolf399 interests me a lot, for her reminds me so much of myself when I was in my early 20s, and even much later. I find him very charming!

The way he artificially attempts to force all dialogue into precise analytic language when participating in even the most social of exchanges, in order to gain an air of superiority, merely betrays underlying neuroses. (I have them too, but I am at least honest with myself, mostly.)

Certainly it's justifiable to be utterly clear and precise when discussing a technical matter, but to apply this to everything just makes one a critical windbag. He's very clever and even cunning sometimes, but is too quick to dismiss or plainly ignore valid points people raise in a discussion on the basis of an exagerrated or even imagined flaw, often a tiny spot.

He contradicts himself a great deal: e.g., yesterday he wrote: "I reject Schopenhauer's misanthropy..." Then today he writes: "I don't like people." (To which he might respond that these are not equivalent, but then again, he'd be splicing for instrumental effect.)

In the end, I'd suggest that he just try to be honest with himself: why is he here? He can obviously bring far more ammunition to a philosophical argument than "98%" of the people on this board, but this merely suggests he likes to find an easy audience over which to lord, provided he sticks to his narrow area of specialization. (Many of us have them-- you're not that special!) Believe me, I understand this motivation and have engaged in dishing out my own indulgent masturbatory forms of virtual browbeating of others over the years, but it's rather pathetic in the final analysis.

There are way better forums in which to engage in rigorous philosophical debate than INTPc. If he brought a more empathetic attitude, where he tried to educate people, he'd be much more useful. Again, the arrogant truculence of his language and his incessant combativeness says more about his personal psychological state than any objective topic which he addresses-- by a longshot!

[puzzled-observer]

Not necessarily asking for help... just asking for action...basically like putting the model that you just built on the market and see how it fairs with that of others..

i suppose, but it still seems like it's effectively second-hand help to me. the purpose of the action you're asking for is to help you assess its relative viability as a theory. Which to me, seems like a roundabout way of just a critique of ideas.

[Rajah]

Ok, so if I dont like the people and do not wish to relate to them on a personal level. This basically means that I am a parasite. I only take what they give to me and do not return the appreciation that they are due.

This may not be ethically justifiable, but indeed a possible thing to do.Seawolf, this forum will go on with or without you. At least you've recognized that what you derive from this is based on its participants (obviously). You won't be the first or last parasite on this board, just a vile example of one. I find it puzzling you have such contempt for the minds from which you're unabashedly mooching. I'd suggest you have a chat with yourself and seriously consider what you're looking for from people who you consider beneath you, and who, for the most part, disrespect you.

[Hustler]

Thank you for reinforcing my argument that all you are capable of is just cheap sophisms.
Way to get completely owned and then just lie there and take it. You are learning. You are aware that my rhetorical skills vastly eclipse your own, and so you have decided to simply give up, because all you can achieve in a battle of wits with the likes of me is making yourself look like a fool. The next step is that you will start listening and, from that, you will begin to learn. Maybe in time you will benefit from the wisdom I offer you. But, first, an egregious piece of crap needs to be addressed:


This is just like reading Hegel and saying because he uses so many complex words that noone understands, and it seems like he is being deliberately obscure. Hmm... maybe from this it follows that he is not a real philosopher but a charlatan, that he is intentionally trying to deceive.
You, my friend, have some serious brass insinuating a comparison between yourself and Hegel. But, you're not far off. If you took Hegel, knocked off about 40 or 50 points from his IQ, robbed him of his ability to write well and make use of argument, removed his powers of reason, drained any semblance of a personality from him, and then gave him a more inflated opinion of himself than he had, then you two would be practically identical.

[Dr. Haight]

:lol:

[meshou]

You, my friend, have some serious brass insinuating a comparison between yourself and Hegel. But, you're not far off. If you took Hegel, knocked off about 40 or 50 points from his IQ, robbed him of his ability to write well and make use of argument, removed his powers of reason, drained any semblance of a personality from him, and then gave him a more inflated opinion of himself than he had, then you two would be practically identical.:wub:

[SolitaryWalker]

Way to get completely owned and then just lie there and take it. You are learning. You are aware that my rhetorical skills vastly eclipse your own, and so you have decided to simply give up, because all you can achieve in a battle of wits with the likes of me is making yourself look like a fool. The next step is that you will start listening and, from that, you will begin to learn. Maybe in time you will benefit from the wisdom I offer you. But, first, an egregious piece of crap needs to be addressed:


You, my friend, have some serious brass insinuating a comparison between yourself and Hegel. But, you're not far off. If you took Hegel, knocked off about 40 or 50 points from his IQ, robbed him of his ability to write well and make use of argument, removed his powers of reason, drained any semblance of a personality from him, and then gave him a more inflated opinion of himself than he had, then you two would be practically identical.


And what have you done to show that you argue just for the sake of looking good as opposed to looking for the truth or exploring ideas.

Like come on... it is a Hustler post:for what could it be but hollow and nauseous twaddle.

[meshou]

Seawolf399 interests me a lot, for her reminds me so much of myself when I was in my early 20s, and even much later. I find him very charming!I would have pinched your head off!

[Meliora]

Can someone please lock this corpse of a thread?

[Kropotkin]

One more thing to Seawolf399: please, for god's sake, read The Schopenhauer Cure (http://www.amazon.com/Schopenhauer-Cure-Novel-P-S/dp/0060938102/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/103-7908462-6424642?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1174954609&sr=8-1).

You are so much like the alternate main character of the book it's uncanny. I hope you are indeed still in your 20s. The last thing I'd ever wish against you would be to be staring at 40 like you are now, withering on the vine of life without ever having known a spring.

I've suffered a lot from being "like you" at one time; it's not pretty.

[SolitaryWalker]

Seawolf399 interests me a lot, for her reminds me so much of myself when I was in my early 20s, and even much later. I find him very charming!

The way he artificially attempts to force all dialogue into precise analytic language when participating in even the most social of exchanges, in order to gain an air of superiority, merely betrays underlying neuroses. (I have them too, but I am at least honest with myself, mostly.)

Certainly it's justifiable to be utterly clear and precise when discussing a technical matter, but to apply this to everything just makes one a critical windbag. He's very clever and even cunning sometimes, but is too quick to dismiss or plainly ignore valid points people raise in a discussion on the basis of an exagerrated or even imagined flaw, often a tiny spot.

He contradicts himself a great deal: e.g., yesterday he wrote: "I reject Schopenhauer's misanthropy..." Then today he writes: "I don't like people." (To which he might respond that these are not equivalent, but then again, he'd be splicing for instrumental effect.)

In the end, I'd suggest that he just try to be honest with himself: why is he here? He can obviously bring far more ammunition to a philosophical argument than "98%" of the people on this board, but this merely suggests he likes to find an easy audience over which to lord, provided he sticks to his narrow area of specialization. (Many of us have them-- you're not that special!) Believe me, I understand this motivation and have engaged in dishing out my own indulgent masturbatory forms of virtual browbeating of others over the years, but it's rather pathetic in the final analysis.

There are way better forums in which to engage in rigorous philosophical debate than INTPc. If he brought a more empathetic attitude, where he tried to educate people, he'd be much more useful. Again, the arrogant truculence of his language and his incessant combativeness says more about his personal psychological state than any objective topic which he addresses-- by a longshot!


Wait.

I can say that I reject Schopenhauer's misanthropy, yet dislike people nonetheless.

Ok, so Schopenhauer maintained that the human race is worthless altogether. Whereas I can entertain a 'lower' degree of misanthropy, and thus say that I just dont like people, and not think of them as worthless as Schopenhauer did.

Hence I can be 'misanthropic' without having to share Schopenhauer's attitude.


A)I can be less of a misanthrope than Schopenhauer
B)I can be a misanthrope for other reasons than he would provide for being one.

So, misanthropy and Schopenhauerian misanthropy must not be thought of as synonymous expressions.

[Hustler]

And what have you done to show that you argue just for the sake of looking good as opposed to looking for the truth or exploring ideas.

Like come on... it is a Hustler post:for what could it be but hollow and nauseous twaddle.

What you have done here is blah, blah, blah. Here, let me make your posts for you, since you suck so much at it:


Hi, I'm Seawolf. I'm going to post some crap. I'm going to be sure to use the word 'twaddle,' because I use that word in EVERY FUCKING POST I MAKE. In fact, let me make a list of the types of posts in which I use the word 'twaddle:'

1 - Posts that I make that suck huge rocks.
2 - Posts that I make that only suck tiny rocks.
3 - Posts that I make that are devoid of substance, but in which I cover that up by referencing some German philosopher.
4 - Posts that are asinine lists of MBTI types corresponding to some arbitrary value that are borne of my very marginal Ni.
5 - Posts about how stupid people are for not being moronic enough to agree with my Mickey Mouse, dime-store philosophy 101 detritus.

Why don't you explore those ideas some, chump?

[omnirook]

One more thing to Seawolf399: please, for god's sake, read The Schopenhauer Cure (http://www.amazon.com/Schopenhauer-Cure-Novel-P-S/dp/0060938102/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/103-7908462-6424642?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1174954609&sr=8-1).

You are so much like the alternate main character of the book it's uncanny. I hope you are indeed still in your 20s. The last thing I'd ever wish against you would be to be staring at 40 like you are now, withering on the vine of life without ever having known a spring.

I've suffered a lot from being "like you" at one time; it's not pretty.

So, what's wrong w/necrophilia? Hush! We haven't even begun splashing the blood and guts about. Hell, Hustler's barely past his yawn stage - wait until he gets going! :popcorn:

[nfinityi]

Am I the only one who's mildly reminded of Fred Phelps here?

[rainfall]

Who is seawolf and what is so special about him?

[Hustler]

Who is seawolf and what is so special about him?
Eh, you're not one to talk. Why are you here trolling around?

[omnirook]

Who is seawolf and what is so special about him?

He's not you! ... Hello, my love! How are you? Welcome to Thunderdrone!

[nfinityi]

You, my friend, have some serious brass insinuating a comparison between yourself and Hegel. But, you're not far off. If you took Hegel, knocked off about 40 or 50 points from his IQ, robbed him of his ability to write well and make use of argument, removed his powers of reason, drained any semblance of a personality from him, and then gave him a more inflated opinion of himself than he had, then you two would be practically identical.
PWNT

That deserved underlining, emboldening, AND italicizing!

[omnirook]

Yes, Seawolf -- Omni is completely and irrevocably annoying, but you don't see me insulting HIM all the time, do you?

(Oh, I do love having that old bastard around! He makes me laugh so!)

You're cute, too, Doc! :grin:

[Jennywocky]

You're cute, too, Doc! :grin:

:highfive:


Am I the only one who's mildly reminded of Fred Phelps here?

Oh thanks. I was actually sort of enjoying reading this thread, until you dragged old Freddie into it.

[rainfall]

Eh, you're not one to talk. Why are you here trolling around?
I'm not a troll. Apparently, you are.

He's not you! ... Hello, my love! How are you? Welcome to Thunderdrone!
What is thunderdrone? :)

[nfinityi]

I'm not a troll. Apparently, you are.
Nice comeback from the former Purgatorian.

[rainfall]

Nice comeback from the former Purgatorian.
Ugh... I'm sure it was hustler that trolled other mods into it!

[nfinityi]

Ugh... I'm sure it was hustler that trolled other mods into it!
I'm actually not entirely sure, but I don't believe he was a mod when you achieved Purgatorian status.

But hey, I've been a Purgatorian before. Hell, I've probably got the worst history of any member on this forum short of Shai Gar (and even then, I might be giving myself too much credit). However, if you work real hard (actually just realize you're being a douchebag, and stop said douchebaggery) like me, you can turn out not to suck!

Get to work, soldier!

[Hustler]

I'm not a troll. Apparently, you are.
Oh, so you were actually reformed by being confined to Purgatory? Excellent. It's nice to know the penal system is working out so well here. Carry on, then, with your non-trolling of Seawolf. But, if you really want an answer to your question of who he is, I suggest you look here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudo_intellectual) and here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douchebag).

[Hustler]

Nice comeback from the former Purgatorian.
Why is the pot calling the kettle black all over this fucking thread? And, no, nobody is reminded of that asshat Fred Phelps.

[rainfall]

I'm actually not entirely sure, but I don't believe he was a mod when you achieved Purgatorian status.

But hey, I've been a Purgatorian before. Hell, I've probably got the worst history of any member on this forum short of Shai Gar (and even then, I might be giving myself too much credit). However, if you work real hard (actually just realize you're being a douchebag, and stop said douchebaggery) like me, you can turn out not to suck!

Get to work, soldier!

He gave me first warning. In purgatory.


Oh, so you were actually reformed by being confined to Purgatory? Excellent. It's nice to know the penal system is working out so well here. Carry on, then, with your non-trolling of Seawolf. But, if you really want an answer to your question of who he is, I suggest you look here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudo_intellectual) and here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douchebag).

Then what's the big deal, if he's two of those things? I'm quite sure there are plenty of people like that.

[nfinityi]

Why is the pot calling the kettle black all over this fucking thread?
If you want to get technical about it, Brendan, the INTPc member persona, has never been a Purgatorian. And me having been in Purgatory, and a genuine douchebag under the Nemesis persona doesn't mean I can't point out when other people are either Purgatorians or douchebags.

And, no, nobody is reminded of that asshat Fred Phelps.
I meant in terms of singing praise for people he agrees with, when the people he agrees with would probably think of him as, indeed, a pseudointellectual and a douche.

[omnirook]

I'm not a troll. Apparently, you are.

What is thunderdrone? :)

Thunderdome was a fictional combat arena in one of the Mad Max movies. Tina Turner did a single about it and did a cameo in the movie. Thunderdrone is the INTP Central version of that.

[meshou]

Oh, so you were actually reformed by being confined to Purgatory? Excellent. It's nice to know the penal system is working out so well here. Carry on, then, with your non-trolling of Seawolf. But, if you really want an answer to your question of who he is, I suggest you look here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudo_intellectual) and here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douchebag).Hustler told me he is not contentious today.

Really. He did. Not that anyone who matters minds.

[rainfall]

Thunderdome was a fictional combat arena in one of the Mad Max movies. Tina Turner did a single about and did a cameo in the movie. Thunderdrone is the INTP Central version of that.

Because they keep droning on?

[omnirook]

here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudo_intellectual) and here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douchebag).

That burns. He's warming up. I'll have to pop some more corn.

[omnirook]

Because they keep droning on?

Well, I do, anyway. I have a bad habit of just going on and on and on and on. Nicolai starts me going when he wants to go to sleep - works every time.

:zz:

Where's Seawolf? Did Schopenhauer give up in that law suit? No - decades - but he got every pfennig that he believed he deserved, wore his opponents down until they tossed money at him to get him to leave them alone. Come on, man - don't let the Master down! :cheer: :cheer: :cheer: :cheer:

[rainfall]

Seawolf, hustelerer, troll, forum, purgatory... I smell a

http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/4851/getalifeau8.gif

and with that I'm going to take my 6 hour daily nap...

[Jennywocky]

Hustler told me he is not contentious today.
Really. He did. Not that anyone who matters minds.

I have the feeling he's just wielding his pinkie right now.


Thunderdome was a fictional combat arena in one of the Mad Max movies. Tina Turner did a single about it and did a cameo in the movie.

Sniff. Those were the good old days -- when cheap apocalyptic cinema still had flair and camp in its suckiness. Now it's overbudgeted and is usually sucky WITHOUT being enjoyable.


That burns. He's warming up. I'll have to pop some more corn.

I was surprised to see the word "Douchebag" appear in Wikipedia. It seems rather unconventional for an encylopedia...
--

In other news, I was chuckling earlier when looking at the forum listing and seeing the last two titles (see pic... read the bottom one first, then go to the top one).

http://www.intpcentral.com/uploads/types.jpg

[omnirook]

Seawolf, hustelerer, troll, forum, purgatory... I smell a

http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/4851/getalifeau8.gif

and with that I'm going to take my 6 hour daily nap...

Not if I have anything to say about it!

http://www.intpcentral.com/uploads/pWitchHazel01.jpg

[omnirook]

I have the feeling he's just wielding his pinkie right now.



Sniff. Those were the good old days -- when cheap apocalyptic cinema still had flair and camp in its suckiness. Now it's overbudgeted and is usually sucky WITHOUT being enjoyable.



I was surprised to see the word "Douchebag" appear in Wikipedia. It seems rather unconventional.

Oh, so true on both counts!

Oh, for the days when bad movies were really great! Now we have overproduced garbage that costs so much to pile together that nobody dares to forget to "Ooo and ahh!" about it. Years ago, on a shoestring, a piece of crap worth watching could be shoved together over night, and, 30 years later, people are still watching it. Now, for 1/2 a billion bucks, you get a stench bomb that you are aggressively driving from your memory on your way out of the theatre.

[Ferrus]

I wish I knew what was going on here. It sounds rather interesting.

[cafe]

I wish I knew what was going on here. It sounds rather interesting.
Seawolf is being gang flamed.

[In...TP]

I wouldn't want to get on an airplane with him.

[Ferrus]

Seawolf is being gang flamed.
Nice... I wonder if his abductive reasoning will save him now.

[Prozac]

[QUOTE=Seawolf399;586685]
People on INTPc obviously have not learned to distinguish between real thought and cheap sophisms.
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[Prozac]

Maybe it could be that I am not concerned with getting credit from you or many of the readers here on INTPc, and this is why I have no problem pointing out their stupidity?


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[SolitaryWalker]

What you have done here is blah, blah, blah. Here, let me make your posts for you, since you suck so much at it:



Why don't you explore those ideas some, chump?

I have just one question for you. Why should anything that you have to say be taken seriously if you can do nothing about my assertion that meaningless rhetoric is all that you're about.

And this also attests to more of your shallow cant and lack of cerebral fortitude in general: I was not comparing myself to the individual Hegel. All I was saying is that we can know if Hegel was dishonest by looking at his philosophical writings, just like you can not know if I am insecure by looking at my writings about MBTI.

The bottom line is that you can not derive an understanding of an individual personal qualities by reading their writings about impersonal stuff.

No surprise that you could not figure this out.

[Prozac]

I stand by my assertion that much of what Hustler, TheUniqueOne and Fortunato have been saying for the last few months, both in this thread and many of their ideas in the past was just shallow cant.

They just merely wanted to look smart as opposed to be smart. They were merely sophists and can not be regarded as real thinkers..



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:rofl:

[hereandnow]

And round 185 goes to......


What was this thread about? I seem to have forgotten.:grin:

[SolitaryWalker]

That's Ni at work. Not Ne. Think about it.


Can you justify these claims with anything resembling an argument? I'm pretty sure you're wrong and making a false generalization about human nature and respect, but I'd at least like to hear why you think that.


'Can you justify these claims with anything that even resembles an argument?'

There is a fine line being an honest-truth seeking argument and mere casuistry. So, if I were you, I would not be making waves.

[Rhu]

What was this thread about? I seem to have forgotten.:grin:
It was about lost hopes. It was about reaching into the past to try to grasp a dream that you just couldn't hold onto, because you can't turn back time.

It was about tears turned to crystal. About the uplifting notes of the song of a child, so innocent, so pure. The sweet boyish soprano of that song shattered the the unnumbered crystal tears, and rising as a vapor from them there was birthed a new hope, just like the old one, but in the here and now.

Was it a triumph of the will? Was it a love story? Or was it the tale of man crafting his own hope in the form of an intricate machine destined to outlive him? I can't really say, as I paid no attention at all to the preceedings.

As I push this thread over the edge into the forum below, I will offer this in prayer: May the proceedings that I will still pay no attention to be joyous! Let the child sing as he may, attempting in vain to raise his voice above the penitant lamentations moaned beneath the bleak night skies.


And round 185 goes to......
Purgatory!

If no hopes be awakened, let's see to it that some herpes are awakened. That oughtta keep things exciting.

[What? Oh. My bad.]

Well, this is quite a mess.

[Kropotkin]

It was about lost hopes. It was about reaching into the past to try to grasp a dream that you just couldn't hold onto, because you can't turn back time.

It was about tears turned to crystal. About the uplifting notes of the song of a child, so innocent, so pure. The sweet boyish soprano of that song shattered the the unnumbered crystal tears, and rising as a vapor from them there was birthed a new hope, just like the old one, but in the here and now.

Was it a triumph of the will? Was it a love story? Or was it the tale of man crafting his own hope in the form of an intricate machine destined to outlive him? I can't really say, as I paid no attention at all to the preceedings.

As I push this thread over the edge into the forum below, I will offer this in prayer: May the proceedings that I will still pay no attention to be joyous! Let the child sing as he may, attempting in vain to raise his voice above the penitant lamentations moaned beneath the bleak night skies.


ISFP drivel! :devil:

[nfinityi]

just like you can not know if I am insecure by looking at my writings about MBTI.

The bottom line is that you can not derive an understanding of an individual personal qualities by reading their writings about impersonal stuff.
:think:

[rainfall]

That was easy.

[Rhu]

ISFP drivel! :devil:

Oh, that's it. I'm considering this a chellenge. I've not begun to drivel! I'm going to write a romance novel for INTPc.





I just need an unlikely couple...

[nfinityi]

Oh, that's it. I'm considering this a chellenge. I've not begun to drivel! I'm going to write a romance novel for INTPc.





I just need an unlikely couple...
Me and Birdsnest.

[FranG]

He pays well for them sophisms, and he came out lookin better than you anyway.



'Cause this is a spinoff of a thread in his honor, isn't it?

In any case, he's awesome, so who cares?



Fuckin SOLD.


:wub:


Hustler told me he is not contentious today.



Shit I didn't want to put my name in anymore drama. But Meshou please get off of Hustler's nuts. Please. :thumbdow: At least Seawolf aint trying to get brownie points. Since nobody else seems to notice, I guess I gotta be the one to say it.

Hustler please take her out on a date or something so we don't have to hear the freshmen on the cheerleading team all over the football captain's jock.

[nfinityi]

Shit I didn't want to put my name in anymore drama. But Meshou please get off of Hustler's nuts. Please. :thumbdow: At least Seawolf aint trying to get brownie points. Since nobody else seems to notice, I guess I gotta be the one to say it.

Hustler please take her out on a date or something so we don't have to hear the freshmen on the cheerleading team all over the football captain's jock.
She's already seeing someone :)

[rainfall]

She's already seeing someone :)

I thought frang was gay.

[FranG]

That sounds about right.

Also, hustler plays the asshole occasionally to illicit response and make the forum more dynamic.

Bingo littlechimp. He does it ever so subtly. He initiates the fall of most as illustrated below.


Actually that's not true. The reason there are so many responses is the desire by many to see Seawolf depart. When public hangings were the norm people didn't come out because they respected those swinging from the noose. It's the same here.

I don't count myself among those people because Seawolf is easy to read and predictable. Plus he's an insecure kid.



Nice counterexample to that claim of chimp's. I had some similar things in mind, but the point is, yeah, it wasn't an accurate statement.


I know! Anyone with a name that has the word "wolf" contained in it deserves immediate banning. Grr.

It's always been that way. One of the few perks of the position, I suppose, is the infinite, software-granted ability to harrass.

As you can see meanlittlechimp, ethnic cleansing is alive and well at INTPc. INTPs in here but, hard to distinguish this place from real life often. This place is supposed to be the opposite of real (SJ) life.

[FranG]

I thought frang was gay.

You obviously haven't seen any of my posts here. It isn't possible for a post to be anymore incorrect bro.

[What? Oh. My bad.]

You obviously haven't seen any of my posts here. It isn't possible for a post to be anymore incorrect bro.

...not that there's anything wrong with that...

[FranG]

^^^
Right lol

[FranG]

She's already seeing someone :)

So why is she on Hustler's nuts then? Would her boyfriend mine that? I mean come on, I aint the only person who sees this am I?

[Ivy]

So why is she on Hustler's nuts then? Would her boyfriend mine that? I mean come on, I aint the only person who sees this am I?

You have a tendency to sexualize female assertion.

[FranG]

^^^
I don't but even if I do, Meshou isn't pouring it on a little thick here in regards to Hustler?

[Ivy]

^^^
I don't but even if I do, Meshou isn't pouring it on a little thick here in regards to Hustler?

You do, and not really.

[What? Oh. My bad.]

You have a tendency to sexualize female assertion.

What isn't sexy about female assertion? :banana:

[Ivy]

What isn't sexy about female assertion? :banana:

It may be super-hot, but what I mean is that FranG tends to assign it a sexual cause ("she's got it bad for Hustler") and/or remedy ("she just needs to get laid"). It's very demeaning.

[What? Oh. My bad.]

It may be super-hot, but what I mean is that FranG tends to assign it a sexual cause ("she's got it bad for Hustler") and/or remedy ("she just needs to get laid"). It's very demeaning.

Well, maybe he just needs to get laid...

[FranG]

You do, and not really.

I was giving you a concession. I guess it was worded pourly.


It may be super-hot, but what I mean is that FranG tends to assign it a sexual cause ("she's got it bad for Hustler") and/or remedy ("she just needs to get laid"). It's very demeaning.

Negative. I did that only twice on this board that I can remember. I told Digest that after she had been riding me for months but nobody seemed to notice. I forget who the first person was cause Digest was the second and ya'll drew that conclusion. But again, even if true, doesn't mean that my comment about Meshou is inaccurate. She's been all over him for months. It doesn't matter what he says. She's behind (or in front lol. just joking) 110% regardless. I'm just the only one calling her on it.

[Ivy]

Negative. I did that only twice on this board that I can remember. I told Digest that after she had been riding me for months but nobody seemed to notice. I forget who the first person was cause Digest was the second and ya'll drew that conclusion. But again, even if true, doesn't mean that my comment about Meshou is inaccurate. She's been all over him for months. It doesn't matter what he says. She's behind (or in front lol. just joking) 110% regardless. I'm just the only one calling her on it.

You've done it more than twice, including several times to Attilla alone. But twice would be enough to form a pattern.

[rainfall]

I'm gonna go shoot myself in the head now, yes.

[FranG]

You've done it more than twice, including several times to Attilla alone. But twice would be enough to form a pattern.

Ok that's fine. But let's not focus on the messenger. Is Meshou hanging from Hustler's nuts or not? She cosigns everything that dude says.

[Nightning]

^^^
I don't but even if I do, Meshou isn't pouring it on a little thick here in regards to Hustler?

Yes, it does seem from my perspective that Meshou was on Hustler's side... but I don't see how that could have sexual implications.

On the other hand... previous activation of mental representations could influence your judgements... now the question is, are you sexually repressed?

[What? Oh. My bad.]

Yes, it does seem from my perspective that Meshou was on Hustler's side... but I don't see how that could have sexual implications.

On the other hand... previous activation of mental representations could influence your judgements... now the question is, are you sexually repressed?

I'm sexually frustrated. Does that count?

[Ivy]

Ok that's fine. But let's not focus on the messenger. Is Meshou hanging from Hustler's nuts or not? She cosigns everything that dude says.

Is it possible she just agrees with him, without hanging from his nuts? Is that out of the question?

[What? Oh. My bad.]

Where are these nuts and how does one hang from them, exactly? I appear to be missing out on something important.

[nfinityi]

Ok that's fine. But let's not focus on the messenger. Is Meshou hanging from Hustler's nuts or not? She cosigns everything that dude says.
You should probably stop... Like now.

[FranG]

Yes, it does seem from my perspective that Meshou was on Hustler's side...

Correction; Always on Hustler's side.



but I don't see how that could have sexual implications.

You haven't read enough Hustler/Meshou follow up posts then. But oh well, if you don't see it you don't see it.



On the other hand... previous activation of mental representations could influence your judgements... now the question is, are you sexually repressed?

No I'm good. But if I was repressed, I'd take care of that problem IRL. I wouldn't be having virtual fantasies of some online persona like her.

[rainfall]

You should probably stop... Like now.

YEAH!

http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/3144/beavisgd9xe6.gif

[nfinityi]

Correction; Always on Hustler's side.



You haven't read enough Hustler/Meshou follow up posts then. But oh well, if you don't see it you don't see it.



No I'm good. But if I was repressed, I'd take care of that problem IRL. I wouldn't be having virtual fantasies of some online persona like her.
She has a boyfriend, man. Stop making yourself look stupid.

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:chook:

[FranG]

Is it possible she just agrees with him, without hanging from his nuts? Is that out of the question?

About as possible as me not sexualizing female assertion.

[meshou]

Maybe FranG should get off my nuts. :)

KTHX.

[What? Oh. My bad.]

I hope nobody gets on mine.

[nfinityi]

Maybe FranG should get off my nuts. :)

KTHX.
I'm guessing you have Macadamia.

[Ivy]

I hope nobody gets on mine.

You lie.

[Jennywocky]

For the record, I don't think Meshou has the hots for Hustler.

She just happens to be similar in personality in some ways, how she perceives things, and so Hustler's stances happen to coincide with hers, and she supports him in discussions like this.

[What? Oh. My bad.]

I accidentally sat on my nuts once, so I guess technically I was on my nuts. I get the feeling this might not be exactly the same though.

[G3rron]

I hope nobody gets on mine.


You lie.


:rofl::rofl:

[What? Oh. My bad.]

For the record, I don't think Meshou has the hots for Hustler.

She just happens to be similar in personality in some ways, how she perceives things, and so Hustler's stances happen to coincide with hers, and she supports him in discussions like this.

Get off my nuts.

[nfinityi]

For the record, I don't think Meshou has the hots for Hustler.

She just happens to be similar in personality in some ways, how she perceives things, and so Hustler's stances happen to coincide with hers, and she supports him in discussions like this.
Actually, I think we all just detest Seawolf399 enough that we set aside our differences and make it known how much of a pompous windbag we think he is.

[FranG]

She has a boyfriend, man. Stop making yourself look stupid.

Are you serious man?


Maybe FranG should get off my nuts. :)

KTHX.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

You'd be the last person on the board whose nuts I'd be on. I'd get on Hustler's nuts before yours lol

[nfinityi]

Get off my nuts.
Oh man. That might be hard for him. They're salted.

[nfinityi]

Are you serious man?
Are you?

[G3rron]

Funny how the thread went from Seawolf to Nuts

[What? Oh. My bad.]

Oh man. That might be hard for him. They're salted.

Well I could shower again, I guess.

[What? Oh. My bad.]

Funny how the thread went from Seawolf to Nuts

I helped! :banana:

[Ivy]

Funny how the thread went from Seawolf to Nuts

I don't know, that actually seems like a pretty logical segue to me.

[G3rron]

I don't know, that actually seems like a pretty logical segue to me.

=\ Poor Seawolf

[FranG]

Get off my nuts.


Funny how the thread went from Seawolf to Nuts

Well for the record, everybody needs to get off of Seawolf's nuts. They been meritlessly riding him for weeks now.

[nfinityi]

Funny how the thread went from Seawolf to Nuts
More like appropriate.

[nfinityi]

Well for the record, everybody needs to get off of Seawolf's nuts. They been meritlessly riding him for weeks now.
I'm starting to think that you like attracting negative attention.

[FranG]

I'm starting to think that you like attracting negative attention.

See now you on my nuts. I tried to not respond to your last post but I see you're being persistent. I'll concede the Fe match to you. I can't compete with you there bro. You the champ man.

[What? Oh. My bad.]

Group hug.

[FranG]

For the urbanly challenged.

------------

hop off my nuts (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hop+off+my+nuts)

Another way to say "chill out", "leave me alone", or "get off my ass."

Gets great response, causes the person who's on your ass to shut the hell up and back down.



Mom: Gonzo, did you do your homework yet?
Gonzo: Ma, hop of my nuts.
Mom: Yes master.

or

Fatass in car behind me: (Honking) Hey asshole, get off the road!
Gonzo: What the hell am I supposed to do? The jackoff in front of me is going slow, so hop off my nuts.
Fatass: Oh, sorry. I'm fat and stupid.

[nfinityi]

See now you on my nuts. I tried to not respond to your last post but I see you're being persistent. I'll concede the Fe match to you. I can't compete with you there bro. You the champ man.
Your lack of understanding of Fe is evidenced by your drastic misdiagnosis of why I've made the past few posts on this thread.

[meanlittlechimp]

Maybe this will help

http://forums.intpcentral.com/showthread.php?t=19978

I've made a happy song to try to diffuse all the tension here. It has references to seawolf, kung fu, and adolescent groping.

[omnirook]

Awhile back, I predicted that some other thread was headed for Purgatory. When it got sent there ... wait, here, MacGuffin pointed out that my prediction had been correct ... I knew that this thread was going to wind up here. I should have called it. Ah, well - I guess I'll never get that phony swami scam going, after all.

:soap: All right, all right - poor Seawolf's had a bad night. It's been like a gang initiation or something. Shame on us! - or at least on those of us who are capable of feeling shame. And poor Schopenhauer had to get dragged into the mess, despite having been a philosopher who believed that the ability to feel compassion was humanity's finest feature. :sadbanana:

[MasterMerk]

you guys are all meanies

[Chaselation]

. All I was saying is that we can know if Hegel was dishonest by looking at his philosophical writings, just like you can not know if I am insecure by looking at my writings about MBTI.

The bottom line is that you can not derive an understanding of an individual personal qualities by reading their writings about impersonal stuff.

No surprise that you could not figure this out.


:think:

Your impersonal writing about personality typing leaves me to believe you either have no practical experience with people or are too embarrassed to use it to support your theories. Your posts were often followed by Fortunato providing a real life context that supported or contrasted your statements. Now your going to ignore him? The few people willing to engage your ideas are then ones you are going to ignore now. Is that a logical response?

Take your ball and go home then.

I'm curious have you ever had a laugh here? I suspect most others have I bet Schopenhauer and Kant laughed once in awhile because that's what people do.