spawned voice of intuition

[antireconciler]

When your intuition talks to you, do you turn it into words? If so, are the words in your voice? Someone elses? It is interesting to me. Manefestations of my intuition, when translate it, I tend to either give the voice of the Empress from The Neverending Story or the Diva from The Fifth Element.

Don't laugh! I'm serious! Can anyone relate?

Edit: If you quote this post, please keep in mind it is totally obsolete.

[Utopmk]

My intuition does not speak english, but I know it is trying to tell me something...

[antireconciler]

Intuition is mostly visual to me. To example: one day earlier this spring I saw this old lady (and looked away, of course), then immediately I "saw" this sponge-cloud-similar kind of thing growing; it was more than a visual metaphor for how generations come and grow, I could feel the process. Like a flowing impact of understanding.

So, spontaneously. Do you ever pose questions for yourself to answer with the intention of a response from such a mechanism? Maybe ... say you are confused about your behavior or what you are feeling.

[Vagabond]

I don't know how my intuition tells me things; I just find myself knowing things I wasn't supposed to... that's it.

[Birdsnest]

My intuition is a feeling, if its sort of "excitement" or butterflies, and it works every time. For instance, I always get my tax refunds and pay day through direct deposit. Sometimes it comes on Saturday and sometimes on Monday. I intuitively know when my money has arrived in my bank, because I will feel butterflies just before I go online to check on it. I have been lucky in Vegas, walked past slots and put in $1 and pulled once and got $500, then an entire row I walked by I got that excitement in, and every single lever all the way down the row paid off, over and over and over for me. If I am walking past a row of slot machines in Vegas that are about to win, I feel an excitement and it often really works.

There are several things I've noticed before bad things happen. I sometimes have trouble sleeping the night before or have bad dreams or dreams of flooding, or of tidal waves, usually a dream with too much water portends something bad. (emotions=water). Or, a bad feeling in pit of stomach, or a series of events that start the day out bad tells me a string of bad things will happen. To correct that karma, chanting "Nam Myoho Renge Kyo" for about a half an hour really helps cure that bad flow.

Occasionally a visualization of something, a picture or word will tell me something. But the intuition that is the best is just a feeling of excitement I can always tell if money arrived in my account before I go to Bank of America online, I will get a child like excitement or butterflies in my stomach when something good is about to happen.

[Claverhouse]

I can't really answer because I don't know if intuition is a specific quality or ability, or is just a manifestation of the Overself; that being which is your spiritual self and unerring guide if you submit your will to be directed by it.


Claverhouse :ph34r:

[jittus rye]

Is the voice in your head equated to the person that manifests your intuition? If so, then, I guess so.

[antireconciler]

What I'm talking about isn't intuition at all. It's just self-talk. I think I'll learn this lesson a hundred thousand times the hard way and still confuse the two. How funny!

Patience maybe? I talk wise sometimes, but I'm quite a fool!

There is no way to stillness
being still is the way

[Horger]

Alot of times thoughts are nonverbal. Sometimes they appear as actual written words in my head. Or it's just a feeling about doing something.

But when it is verbal, it's my voice. It's always deeper and alot angrier than I normally talk though. I'm very monotone and relaxed when I talk to people (as in, not myself).

I talk to myself alot sometimes. Just making up random stuff, and toying with ideas to see if I can possibly improve upon something with my intuition alone.

[Johnny]

I'm not completely clear on how Jung describes intuition. I think it's supposed to be something like sensing - you get what you get, and it's your problem to make something of it, if that's your intention.

Not very helpful thoughts, perhaps. To me, it's a muse. When it comes to me, really cool things happen. But it's not something I turn on and off at will, it's just something I consciously try to keep the "welcome mat" ready for.

[Google Monster]

I talk to myself alot in my head. Usually to question instead of answers. No scratch that, I ask a question in my head then another part of my head answers. Weird but it works.

[nobarcode]

My intuition doesn't "talk" to me and I can't hear it. Something that very definitely happens to me is the ability to do things without any prior knowledge of it. I cook alot. I'll prepare a whole meal from scratch and it will be good. If someone asks, "Where did you get the recipe for that?" I'll have no idea and it has nothing to do with experience. In fact, I get asked all the time how I learned this or that?, who tought you that?, how did you know to do that?, etc. And really, I have no idea (Although I do have theories, I don't want to start a debate over semantics). Things come to me, most of the time I don't even realize it until after the fact. There is one person on this board who could verify that if they'll ever post. *dangles carrot*

I have to be very careful about things I hear in my head. :D

[Nicola Six]

That's what has been bending my mind so much with these theories of learning processes. How we learn things, where the information comes from and how it is stored and built upon. Yes, many things are innate, intuitive and unconscious. But you learned how to cook from somewhere. The processes by which you know what flavors, what ingredients, different meals, all of this is based in a whole combination of memories, sense memories, intuition, and other sources that you don't remember, that never registered as being "learned" until utilized. This is starting to sound like one of my crazy nonsense papers, but as you know it's one of my favorite topics of the moment.

[paladinoflunaria]

My intuition communicates telepathically; it is beyond feeble forms of communication such as sight, sound, etc..

[Hope]

I'm an auditory learner so sometimes it's a voice. Othertimes it's just there, though I feel that telepathic would be the wrong word since that infers a visual sense. I'm not sure whether it comes from within or whether I am tapping into the collective consciousness. There's been a few dreams I've had that have suggested the latter, containing verifiable info. Although perhaps it was genetic memory. I'm more inclined to the collective consciouness theory.

[Johnny]

I found out about the concept of collective consciousness from reading Kant's work. Well, for him it's closer to "universal for every consciousness", but I do like to think of it as a wellspring of sorts for public use also.

[Avengardh]

My intuition is a feeling, if its sort of "excitement" or butterflies, and it works every time.

Yup, same here, has never failed to amaze me how it seems to work every single time...

It's the difference between going up the stairs or keep going straight when I am walking, it's almost an instinct, that I have to listen to everytime, otherwise, something bad happens.

~*Aven*~

[Jkrs]

So far my experiences of intuition have been that X action or argument (which I often hadn't contemplated at all before) suddenly seems like the appropriate one to do/use. It's all presented in concept-space whole and at once, usually without explanations attached. If an argument, it can take half an hour or more to work from my last point to why X is a powerful and appropriate statement.

This doesn't happen frequently and if it's ever been wrong, I don't remember.

[Birdsnest]

Ok, I think what you are talking about is your "thought voice" more than intuition. Yes, my thoughts have a sort of soft female voice, as I read or think it is there thinking in words more or less. But I don't think thats how my intuition comes through, normally.

[antireconciler]

So far my experiences of intuition have been that X action or argument (which I often hadn't contemplated at all before) suddenly seems like the appropriate one to do/use. It's all presented in concept-space whole and at once, usually without explanations attached. If an argument, it can take half an hour or more to work from my last point to why X is a powerful and appropriate statement.

This doesn't happen frequently and if it's ever been wrong, I don't remember.

Yeah, lol. That happens to me too. I have to NOT think about it.


Ok, I think what you are talking about is your "thought voice" more than intuition. Yes, my thoughts have a sort of soft female voice, as I read or think it is there thinking in words more or less. But I don't think thats how my intuition comes through, normally.

*sigh* It IS "thought voice" or self-talk or just plain ego. It was me in safe mode, trying to recover, and having limited success. Calling on self-talk was not an appropriate method for this, but it may have been nessisary to rediscover the actual appropriate one. Intuition is an entirely different entity. In essence, I surrendered my power to it. There are OH so many things that can be distorted and warped that way. It was "intuition"'s turn.

[flan2dave]

The type of intuition many of you are describing, from what I understand, sounds like introverted intuition. In Vagabond's words, when you know something you shouldn't know. The way I regarded extraverted intuition is that a light bulb will flash telling you that there is a connection between seperate entities. Or while thinking on a problem, an idea will come in partial form, but will provide the direction you need to take the next action that would not be provided by the usual linear thinking. However, in the case of extraverted intuition, you can go back and say the insight made sense. You can say, yeah, there is a connection between these entities, now that I think about it. Or in the latter case, you'll say "ah, that idea does indeed solve the problem, and I understand why." In some of the anecdotes members are describing here, there is NO hindsight perspective that makes sense out of the insight. My question is, is the distinction between these two introverted intuition versus extraverted intuition, degree of introverted intuition, degree of extraverted intuition, or some mix of both?

[Crazy]

I usually just have an unfounded confidence that a certain option is the correct one. Mine doesn't come and go, it is always there, whether as knowledge or a feeling, or sometimes as a vision/visualization. If I lost this part of me, I would not know how to function in the world. It guides me for everything from what to write in this post to how to get back to the highway after a confusing detour through the ghettos of Washington DC. It has not been wrong as far as I can tell. Great thing to have during card games!

[jittus rye]

I don't understand intuition.. I don't know how it works. It just is. ? Hmm....

[int]

I've tried looking into meditation, telepathy and such to see if I can clear up the signals going on. It's on my list of things to do...right before "be nicer to people" and after "pay off school loans."

[Crazy]

I've tried looking into meditation, telepathy and such to see if I can clear up the signals going on. It's on my list of things to do...right before "be nicer to people" and after "pay off school loans."

Wow, I read that as probably never, but I'm probably wrong.

[int]

It's probably never. We'll see. :)

I'd like to have the chance as I think it's interesting. I get deja vu pretty regularly...and not in the sense that "I think I've been here before, this looks kinda familiar" but in the full blown "I dreamt this the other night. Everything is exactly the same." It'd be eerie if it wasn't so cool. :) Usually only lasts a few seconds though.

[Crazy]

It's probably never. We'll see. :)

I'd like to have the chance as I think it's interesting. I get deja vu pretty regularly...and not in the sense that "I think I've been here before, this looks kinda familiar" but in the full blown "I dreamt this the other night. Everything is exactly the same." It'd be eerie if it wasn't so cool. :) Usually only lasts a few seconds though.

So do I. There was this one dream that gave me deja vu on about 3 seperate occasions. Odd.

[antireconciler]

Every now and then, I'll think about something and not store a time tag with the thought, so I'll think about it again and I get a feeling of deja vu. Woah, I've had this thought before but it never registered as happening.

At least that's what I think happens.

Crazy5711, maybe intuition is just what you do that you don't think about? I'm hiking up a mountain, and without thinking, I place my feet in places I know are going to be stable. Does this relate to what you mean? Or maybe when you're learning something new? It's just suddenly there, and it's right not because you can prove it but because you can feel it?

[Crazy]

Every now and then, I'll think about something and not store a time tag with the thought, so I'll think about it again and I get a feeling of deja vu. Woah, I've had this thought before but it never registered as happening.

At least that's what I think happens.

Crazy5711, maybe intuition is just what you do that you don't think about? I'm hiking up a mountain, and without thinking, I place my feet in places I know are going to be stable. Does this relate to what you mean? Or maybe when you're learning something new? It's just suddenly there, and it's right not because you can prove it but because you can feel it?

Mostly the second part, but some of the first. One example I have is when I was in High School, I used to walk fast through the halls. My school was overcrowded, so walking fast wasn't exactly the easiest thing in the world. Sometimes I would be forced to walk right against the wall in order to pass all of those slow non-INTPers :rofl: When on the wall like that I often came upon a blind corner to another hallway. I always knew, without any way of knowing, whether or not someone was going to walk out of that part of the hallway. Every time I got that feeling, I would stop, and someone would walk right out of that hallway where I would have smacked right into them.

[flan2dave]

maybe intuition is just what you do that you don't think about? I'm hiking up a mountain, and without thinking, I place my feet in places I know are going to be stable.

I think that would fall under the category of primitive intuition. Just like if I drew four dots in the shape of the square, your mind will fill in the lines and tell you it's a square, even though it's just four dots. For intuitive types, the details their mind can fill in go well beyond these simple cases. *ahem* And I still got no answer as regarding the distinction between introverted and extraverted intuition as it relates to the posts here. :angry: :)

[antireconciler]

*ahem* And I still got no answer as regarding the distinction between introverted and extraverted intuition as it relates to the posts here. :angry: :)

I looked in to it after you made that post, but I couldn't find a detailed enough description of Ne and Ni to say anything useful about it. Everything I intuit makes sense to me (like saying 1 = 1 actually), I just might not be able to use logic to deduce it from my working self-model of my fundementals. My models might not predict a phenomenon I observe (i.e. intuition) or have any explaination for it due to a lack of conscious self-understanding. Many times, I'll feel something suddenly and not know why I feel it, but questioning it always yeilds an answer to me. I have no experience with thoughts or feelings I just know are true yet have no traceable route to thier origin. That sounds more psychic than intuitive, and more of an issue with that person than an actual psychic event.

[Johnny]

O.K., then. Let's take the quote and go from there.

I don't know how my intuition tells me things; I just find myself knowing things I wasn't supposed to... that's it.
If my intuition is offering things about me, it is introverted intuition. If my intuition is offering things about the world (i.e., anything that is not about me), then it is extraverted intuition. The same goes with sensing, thinking, and feeling.

[antireconciler]

There you have it, folks. That's the gist of it.

[Crazy]

Ne = Intuition dealing with the outside world. Like knowing when a slot machine is going to win.

Ni = Intuition dealing with the inner world. Knowing something pertaining to belief or data.

[flan2dave]

Ok, the distinction is quite a bit clearer to me now.


Ni = Intuition dealing with the inner world. Knowing something pertaining to belief or data.

Would deja vu be a primitive type of introverted intuition? Is it a sensitivity to elements of time? Like knowing with certainty some event will occur in the future or a situation will develop a certain way? Does it feel certain because your brain, in the background below conciousness, built some sort of model for what the current perception means as it relates to how it will develop over time? Or am I now treading into extraverted intuition territory? In one example from a type book I read, an introverted intuitive is described following the life of an actor, for who she is certain will eventually reach fame, but can not explain why. Though it seems to me this can be considered extraverted intuition because it relates to something happening outside of her.

[Crazy]

Ok, the distinction is quite a bit clearer to me now.


Ni = Intuition dealing with the inner world. Knowing something pertaining to belief or data.

Would deja vu be a primitive type of introverted intuition? Is it a sensitivity to elements of time? Like knowing with certainty some event will occur in the future or a situation will develop a certain way? Does it feel certain because your brain, in the background below conciousness, built some sort of model for what the current perception means as it relates to how it will develop over time? Or am I now treading into extraverted intuition territory? In one example from a type book I read, an introverted intuitive is described following the life of an actor, for who she is certain will eventually reach fame, but can not explain why. Though it seems to me this can be considered extraverted intuition because it relates to something happening outside of her.

It's a fine line, but I would place this under extroverted Intuition.

[flan2dave]

Let me try another question: what does it mean when it is said an introverted intuitive questions perception itself, when they realize signs and symbols could mean any number of things, all depending on what context they take it in. I mean, what is the nature of these mental processes, why does it come natural to introverted intuitives? What would be the advanced version of this, on the same level of knowing for certain a string of slot machines would win?

Another question: who would be most likely to know there is a conspiracy going on, an introverted intuitive or an extroverted intuitive? Why?

[Crazy]

For the second question, the conspiritor would know, because he is the cause.

For anything else, I would have to ponder for awhile, and I believe I am becoming bored with the subject for now, Sorry

[antireconciler]

Ne = Intuition dealing with the outside world. Like knowing when a slot machine is going to win.

No, that sounds more like superstition than Ne.

If slot machine loses, whatever, it happens all the time. If slot machine wins, I knew it all along. I thought I was going to win or I wouldn't keep throwing quarters at it!

Edit:

Extraverted iNtuition - Inferring relationships, noticing threads of meaning, and scanning for what could be. Extraverted iNtuiting involves seeing things "as if" with various possible ways of representing reality. Using this process, we can hold many different ideas, thoughts, beliefs, and meanings in our minds at once with the possibility that they are all true. This is like weaving themes and "threads" together. We don't know the weave until a thought thread appears or is drawn out in the interaction with a previous one. Thus there is often an emergent quality to using this process. A strategy or concept emerges based on the here-and-now interactions, not appearing as a whole beforehand.

[Crazy]

Ne = Intuition dealing with the outside world. Like knowing when a slot machine is going to win.

No, that sounds more like superstition than Ne.

If slot machine loses, whatever, it happens all the time. If slot machine wins, I knew it all along. I thought I was going to win or I wouldn't keep throwing quarters at it!

Edit:

Extraverted iNtuition - Inferring relationships, noticing threads of meaning, and scanning for what could be. Extraverted iNtuiting involves seeing things "as if" with various possible ways of representing reality. Using this process, we can hold many different ideas, thoughts, beliefs, and meanings in our minds at once with the possibility that they are all true. This is like weaving themes and "threads" together. We don't know the weave until a thought thread appears or is drawn out in the interaction with a previous one. Thus there is often an emergent quality to using this process. A strategy or concept emerges based on the here-and-now interactions, not appearing as a whole beforehand.

That was actually based on another thread in this post.

[Vagabond]

If my intuition is offering things about me, it is introverted intuition. If my intuition is offering things about the world (i.e., anything that is not about me), then it is extraverted intuition.
That would explain why I am messed up. I get to have both equally.

[Miss Padfoot]

My intuition is sort of a lookout, or maybe a scout. It goes off by itself and comes up with various ideas. Then it comes back to tell my Ti function about it, and Ti says, "That's interesting, how did you think that up?" and the Ne shows it everything. Then the Ti, of course, examines everything critically to see if everything's logical. Ne doesn't talk, it just sort of demonstrates ideas, gets excited about them, jumps up and down, etc. and the Ti is the one that does all the talking. In my head, that is. I've been getting better at letting my Ne run free without too much doubt and uncertainty from Ti; I can vocalize my Ne pretty easily to others.

[INTrPosr]

I don't know how my intuition tells me things; I just find myself knowing things I wasn't supposed to... that's it.

For example being capable of spelling words that do not spell the way they're phonetically pronounced, or having a real knack for business knowledge when you have never worked in an industry. Yeah, that's me. I usually consider it simple instinct.

[GraviTass]

I think I know what intuition feels like physically 'cause I experienced it while walking a trail path the other day . I had walked for 3 hours , then decided to return home . One hour into the return I get a tingling sensation on the right side of my head (parietal area ?) . It was like all my neurons familiiar with the trail had ganged up and were firing - telling me to turn right here ; this is where you turn right . I was holding my head , shaking my head ... Like really strong de ja vu .

Of course I did not turn right ! I had only been walking an hour ! I could not understand why I should turn right. I guess often I don't trust my intuition at all.

So anyway , I continued on the same path , and wouldn't you know a minute later I realized I had passed the spot I was looking for 'cause I reached the archery range. (guess I had been walking faster ). It turns out I really should have turned right at the precise spot where my intuition attacked me .

Now that I know my brain stores far more than I am aware of , and makes connections I sometimes am not consciously aware of because they are not complete connections - I trust my iNtuition more !

[Laeskis]

Intuition is a feeling. Your self-talk can interpret your intuition for you to an extent, or manifest your 'feelings' into language. Mostly self-talk is a universal method to express anything and everything to yourself.
My self talk is in my own voice, but without a southern accent. It also has an empty resonating sound to it.
Maybe the wizard from oz?