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ImNotTooPopular
8 Apr 2007, 09:42 AM
I looked through the history of this section and found no such poll. Such a poll MUST be taken. So here it is.

ImNotTooPopular
8 Apr 2007, 09:46 AM
You voted quick, bloom. I was surprised to see your vote up there so soon.

I dont post much
8 Apr 2007, 02:09 PM
i think i am an unhealthy 5w6 or a healthy 8w9. or an unhealthy 8w9 and a healthy 5w6.

Zero Angel
8 Apr 2007, 04:50 PM
5w4 or 1w9, my enneagram results tend to be all over the place but that's generally where they fall.

ImNotTooPopular
8 Apr 2007, 05:23 PM
Where are all the 9w1 INTPs at? We're getting owned by the 5w4 types.

Tayshaun
8 Apr 2007, 05:23 PM
Can anybody see a trend? :grin:

Complaint. However exhaustive this list is, some probably feel that a wingless enneagram corresponds to their personality better than an enneagram with a wing.

Jennywocky
8 Apr 2007, 05:25 PM
So, um... do any other INTPs beside 5w4 enjoy taking polls about their enneagram type?

Technically, the poll should have also included straight numbers (One, Two, Three, etc.) for people with balanced wings or who can't discern a wing, for whatever reason. Hopefully the absence of the main categories didn't force people to just pick a wing...

Tayshaun
8 Apr 2007, 05:28 PM
So, um... do any other INTPs beside 5w4 enjoy taking polls about their enneagram type?

Technically, the poll should have also included straight numbers (One, Two, Three, etc.) for people with balanced wings or who can't discern a wing, for whatever reason. Hopefully the absence of the main categories didn't force people to just pick a wing...

Copycat :)

Jennywocky
8 Apr 2007, 05:34 PM
Copycat :)

Fudge.

Good minds... and invisible critters (whether a cat or Claude Rains)... apparently think alike.

FuelShopTech
8 Apr 2007, 09:05 PM
5w6 here.

Woot.

zhang_bob
8 Apr 2007, 11:59 PM
Technically, the poll should have also included straight numbers (One, Two, Three, etc.) for people with balanced wings or who can't discern a wing, for whatever reason. Hopefully the absence of the main categories didn't force people to just pick a wing...
I agree with what Fortunato said above.


Anyway, back to the original question. I'm unsure what Enneagram I am as I seem to come back something different each time, but mainly I get some sort of 9 or 5.

ImNotTooPopular
9 Apr 2007, 01:27 AM
So, um... do any other INTPs beside 5w4 enjoy taking polls about their enneagram type?

Technically, the poll should have also included straight numbers (One, Two, Three, etc.) for people with balanced wings or who can't discern a wing, for whatever reason. Hopefully the absence of the main categories didn't force people to just pick a wing...

They only let you put 20 poll options.

ATPB
9 Apr 2007, 01:53 AM
They only let you put 20 poll options.

That's fair enough then.
Can admins go over this limit?

sbw
9 Apr 2007, 02:09 AM
I just hunted down and took the test because I have that kind of time...it said I'm a 9 but the description sounds totally wrong.

I think I must be a 5. the 5w6 description sounds more accurate than the 5w4 description.

a most cursory google search led to a similarminds.com forum page about how good 5's are in bed. sweet.

Scott

abweichend
11 Apr 2007, 05:17 AM
I think I'm more of a 5w4, but I always seem to get 5w6 on the tests. I don't identify as much with 5w6 as I do 5w4.

Helios
11 Apr 2007, 07:46 AM
Always tested a solid 7, with heavy 5-ish overtines. But the system doesn't permit 7w5, so I am just fucked up. I also go back and forth from sx to sp, never ever so however.

Just took it again for kicks:



Type 1 Perfectionism |||||| 22%
Type 2 Helpfulness |||||| 22%
Type 3 Image Focus |||||||||||||| 54%
Type 4 Hypersensitivity |||||||||||| 50%
Type 5 Detachment |||||||||||||||| 66%
Type 6 Anxiety |||||||||||| 46%
Type 7 Adventurousness |||||||||||||||||||| 82%
Type 8 Aggressiveness |||||||||||||| 54%
Type 9 Calmness |||||||||||||||||| 74%


Hmmm this time I scored 7,9,5


If I recall 2-4 are feeling, 5-7 thinking and 8-1 instinctive or some such stuff



edit- this poll needs retooled tooled for the wingless people dammit!

Varelse
11 Apr 2007, 07:51 AM
I get 5w4-I'm in the majority?:unsure:

Helios
11 Apr 2007, 07:54 AM
I get 5w4-I'm in the majority?:unsure:

Yes the masses are clearly gathered there! It is kinda odd since the 4 wing is feeling. I would have thought most (or at least alot) of INTPs would be 6-ers, since this is dead in the center of the thinking triad! But what do I know?

Hustler
11 Apr 2007, 08:03 AM
Complaint. However exhaustive this list is, some probably feel that a wingless enneagram corresponds to their personality better than an enneagram with a wing.
Agreed. I'm a wingless 3. Wings are for suckers.

ImNotTooPopular
11 Apr 2007, 09:53 AM
Agreed. I'm a wingless 3. Wings are for suckers.

I thought about redoing the poll and just grouping 1,2,3,6 and 7 into one option to save options for the wings and wingless options for other types. I'm not gonna expect people to vote again.

AMDG
12 Apr 2007, 01:20 AM
Wingless 5, often behave very eight-ish, sometimes think it's the other way round.

Ka.avik
12 Apr 2007, 01:58 AM
Too, this poll doesn't take into account instinctive subtypes. 5, no wing, (I don't think) and SP/SO or maybe it's so/sp I don't remember now.

Wings require a job, hustler? I thought it just took a few cans of red bull...

Lurker
12 Apr 2007, 02:27 AM
I come up as 5w4 a lot, but I've also had a lot of 9 results.

Jezebel
12 Apr 2007, 08:42 AM
Most of the tests result in a 5 with no wings. If I do get a wing it's usually 5w6, sometimes 5w4. Reading the descriptions, I think I could go either way but neither fits perfectly. I put 5w6 since I seem to get that slightly more often and because I can relate to type 6 more than 4.

Other types I've tested as are 6w5 and 9.

fripping
12 Apr 2007, 09:36 AM
maybe the 5w4 description is just cooler and easier for people to relate to.

Oculus Sinister
12 Apr 2007, 10:04 AM
Is freedom a theme in the 5x4's description?

Veradicere
12 Apr 2007, 03:59 PM
I picked 5w6 b/c the test I just took gave me that, but I've also come up 5w4in the past. After reading the description I think 5w4 fits better, but I can't be sure. Definitely a 5 though.

Savy
12 Apr 2007, 11:06 PM
5w4 SP.

I had a high 6 and 1 score. On a different test, I had a high 7. Perhaps because of my lack of structure and plans.

Birdsnest
13 Apr 2007, 03:58 AM
5 balanced wings. I was a 5w4 though, and so I voted that since there is no option for balanced.
I have strong 7 also.

Xenophon
14 Apr 2007, 01:52 PM
I'm a balanced 9, but I just 9w1 cause it fits me better than 9w8. I also have alot of 5 (I thought I was a 5 until I was 20).

waxwing
21 Apr 2007, 04:27 AM
This poll should be thrown out. It's completely inaccurate.

Don't forget instinctual variants. And what Fortunato said.

Also, I would guess that there are fewer 5w4s than any other type 5 here. The 5w4 vibe is actually sort of discouraged here, I think.

Jennywocky
21 Apr 2007, 04:41 AM
Also, I would guess that there are fewer 5w4s than any other type 5 here. The 5w4 vibe is actually sort of discouraged here, I think.

I'll agree with that. Too eneffy, prob'bly.

Varelse
21 Apr 2007, 04:48 AM
I'll agree with that. Too eneffy, prob'bly.Really....:puppy:

Now I need to go kill something...Dagoth Ur, dead. Sotha Sil, dead. Almalexia, dead. Vivec, dead. Crassius Curio...alive.:devil: Target selected.

Jennywocky
21 Apr 2007, 05:37 AM
Really....:puppy:

Now I need to go kill something...Dagoth Ur, dead. Sotha Sil, dead. Almalexia, dead. Vivec, dead. Crassius Curio...alive.:devil: Target selected.

What is that, Morrowind? (Sounds like it, I think.)

It's okay. I went into WoW and attacked hapless baby bears. It made me feel much better.

Varelse
21 Apr 2007, 05:43 AM
What is that, Morrowind? (Sounds like it, I think.)

It's okay. I went into WoW and attacked hapless baby bears. It made me feel much better.Morrowind GOTY. Of course, I have reasons for most of the kills I commit. Crassius-much too vulnerable to a honey trap, and I can't afford someone in that position under me who could be theoretically blackmailed so easily.:devil:

Watermark
22 Apr 2007, 12:41 PM
The 5w4 vibe is actually sort of discouraged here, I think.

I agree.

Prothero
22 Apr 2007, 02:47 PM
This poll should be thrown out. It's completely inaccurate.

From my own experience, so is the test, along with the way it compiles its results. Several of the types are minor variations of another. My own 1w9, 5w6 aren't really variable enough to reject one over the other. I just happened to get 5w4 on the day I answered the poll, so that's what I picked. What I can't find is where the 5w4 is definitively NF, or why anyone reading through INTPc would think it is a rare type here? Pick any thread and it appears, sometimes even dominating the topic (except from a handful of individuals, not to be named.)

It seems the 5w4 is just a 5w6 that takes advantage of the dynamics of a forum.

aether
12 May 2007, 11:46 PM
I got 5w6 on the latest enneagram test. On past tests I've either been a wingless 5 or 5w6.

wannabe1985
12 Aug 2007, 12:54 PM
wow that's a lot of 5w4's. It's interesting, would 5's be 4's if they were more extroverted? I was looking at the famous people listed for each type. Most of the 5's were great thinkers, and background people. While 4's were some of the most popular entertainers. I'm also thinking that in a way it's the difference between loving math and art, language and writing, and so on.

awe
12 Aug 2007, 01:06 PM
It's interesting, would 5's be 4's if they were more extroverted?

I am 4w5 yet almost 100% introverted on mbti.

Jennywocky
12 Aug 2007, 01:46 PM
I am 4w5 yet almost 100% introverted on mbti.

Yes -- In Enneagram theory, while it's not quite the same as introversion, three of the nine types "Move Away" from others: The Four, the Five, and the Nine. (The other two categories are "Move Against" and "Move Towards.")

This is why 4w5 and 5w4 can be some of the most reclusive (introverted) types...Their natural instinct is to withdrawal, and it's only exacerbated. Ironically, they are also more interested in DEEP connection than 4w3 or 5w6... if they manage to actually engage.

Neuroneuster
23 Aug 2007, 05:07 PM
5w6.
I got it but still doesn't understand.
-_-

Xenolith
23 Aug 2007, 07:26 PM
Type 1 Perfectionism |||||| 26%
Type 2 Helpfulness |||||| 22%
Type 3 Image Focus |||||||||| 38%
Type 4 Hypersensitivity |||||||||||||||||| 78%
Type 5 Detachment |||||||||||||||||||| 90%
Type 6 Anxiety |||||||||||||||||||| 86%
Type 7 Adventurousness |||||||||||||||||||| 90%
Type 8 Aggressiveness |||||||||| 34%
Type 9 Calmness |||||||||||||||||||| 86%

I have a dramatic childhood.

DHuge
23 Aug 2007, 08:15 PM
Type 1 Perfectionism |||||| 26%
Type 2 Helpfulness |||||||||||||||||| 78%
Type 3 Image Focus |||||||||||| 46%
Type 4 Hypersensitivity |||||||||||||||| 62%
Type 5 Detachment |||||||||||||||||| 78%
Type 6 Anxiety |||||||||||| 50%
Type 7 Adventurousness |||||| 22%
Type 8 Aggressiveness |||||| 30%
Type 9 Calmness |||||||||||||||||||| 82%

sp/so/sx

I can't figure out the whole wings thing, I think the internet is deliberately withholding information from me so I'll pay for a better test. Does that make me paranoid?

Alisha Sharie
23 Aug 2007, 08:20 PM
Could someone please provide a link in which to take this test?

DHuge
23 Aug 2007, 08:25 PM
here's the crappy one that didn't give me my wX info (http://similarminds.com/test.html) :(

Ferrus
23 Aug 2007, 08:28 PM
I'm an archetypical 5w4.

Alisha Sharie
23 Aug 2007, 08:29 PM
Ah, yes. I've taken that one as well. It matches me equally between a 5 and 9. I've been wondering about the wX myself. Thanks for the link.

nonperson
23 Aug 2007, 08:40 PM
5w6 - Super, I am a member of a sizeable minority.

vulcan
23 Aug 2007, 09:09 PM
There is no spot for 5w1 ...

The poll is flawed.

Fictionarium
24 Aug 2007, 01:35 PM
I'm a 5w4 D: just like everybody else... or almost xD

Acala1
16 Dec 2007, 10:15 AM
Type 1 Perfectionism |||||||||||||||| 70%
Type 2 Helpfulness |||||| 22%
Type 3 Image Focus |||| 18%
Type 4 Hypersensitivity |||||| 22%
Type 5 Detachment |||||||||||||||||| 78%
Type 6 Anxiety |||||||||||||||||| 74%
Type 7 Adventurousness |||||||||| 38%
Type 8 Aggressiveness |||||||||||||| 54%
Type 9 Calmness |||||||||||||||||||| 82%

9w1 or 5w6...

Chunes
16 Dec 2007, 11:47 PM
5-6-4 here

Andromeda
17 Dec 2007, 02:11 AM
I'm a balanced 5... probably ever so slightly more towards 4.

Lethal Sage
17 Dec 2007, 06:41 PM
5w4, I feel so unique.

HeavyMetal
19 Dec 2007, 10:04 PM
I took it before and got 7w8.. although I think I've gotten different ones at different times. The info. they provided and the categories seem rather negative. I don't think its very true for me. Also, I read in a study ENTP's often don't belong to one group... so maybe enneagram is untrue for ENTP's in general.

Ptah
19 Dec 2007, 10:41 PM
Wow. Am I really the only 1w9? Anyone? Bueller?

pangolin
19 Dec 2007, 11:04 PM
I think I'm a 5 w 4, but the enneagram tests i just found on line only indicate the primary number, if anything at all.

Sojourner
19 Dec 2007, 11:18 PM
I think I'm a 5 w 4, but the enneagram tests i just found on line only indicate the primary number, if anything at all.
Well, I think it's your second-highest number. Or something.

pangolin
19 Dec 2007, 11:27 PM
Well, I think it's your second-highest number. Or something.

Right, but the test I took doesn't tell you that. In fact one or two of them didn't even give a number, just a series of qualities with percentage bars, as demonstrated by previous posters on the topic.

Anyone got a *good* link for a test?

Edit: ok this one gave me numbers: http://similarminds.com/cgi-bin/word.pl

I came out just slightly more 5 w 6 this time, but I know I've come out 5 w 4 on some other nebulous test whose location I don't presently know.

Sojourner
19 Dec 2007, 11:35 PM
Right, but the test I took doesn't tell you that. In fact one or two of them didn't even give a number, just a series of qualities with percentage bars, as demonstrated by previous posters on the topic.

Anyone got a *good* link for a test?

Edit: ok this one gave me numbers: http://similarminds.com/cgi-bin/word.pl

I came out just slightly more 5 w 6 this time, but I know I've come out 5 w 4 on some other nebulous test whose location I don't presently know.
Similarminds.com is pretty good.

EDIT: Ha, ninja'd.

Allister
22 Dec 2007, 07:23 PM
4w5.

wildcat
24 Dec 2007, 12:10 PM
Agreed. I'm a wingless 3. Wings are for suckers.
This is an INTP forum.

Ohdear
9 Jan 2008, 01:11 AM
i'm unsure about what i am.....

Type 1 Perfectionism |||||| 30%
Type 2 Helpfulness |||||| 22%
Type 3 Image Focus |||||||||| 34%
Type 4 Hypersensitivity |||||||||||| 50%
Type 5 Detachment |||||||||||||||||||| 82%
Type 6 Anxiety |||||||||||| 50%
Type 7 Adventurousness |||||||||||| 42%
Type 8 Aggressiveness |||||||||||| 46%
Type 9 Calmness |||||||||||||||| 66%

Gaupa
15 Jan 2008, 01:16 PM
Ohdear - whatever you are it looks a lot like my most recent results...

Type 1 Perfectionism |||||| 22%
Type 2 Helpfulness |||||||||| 34%
Type 3 Image Focus |||||||||| 38%
Type 4 Hypersensitivity |||||| 22%
Type 5 Detachment |||||||||||||||||||| 90%
Type 6 Anxiety |||||| 22%
Type 7 Adventurousness |||||||||||| 50%
Type 8 Aggressiveness |||||||||||| 42%
Type 9 Calmness |||||||||||||||||| 74%

=5w9 ? - NOT in the poll...

(answered 4w5 in the poll, since that was the closest value to my earlier results).

Methofelis
15 Jan 2008, 11:55 PM
Type 1 Perfectionism |||||||||||| 46%
Type 2 Helpfulness |||||||||| 36%
Type 3 Image Awareness |||||| 26%
Type 4 Sensitivity |||||||||||||| 60%
Type 5 Detachment |||||||||||||||||||| 90%
Type 6 Anxiety |||||||||||||| 53%
Type 7 Adventurousness |||||||||||| 46%
Type 8 Aggressiveness |||||||||||||| 53%
Type 9 Calmness |||||||||||||| 53%

Latte
19 Jan 2008, 05:20 PM
Wingless five.

Tallulah
20 Jan 2008, 01:50 AM
Wingless five.

Me, too.

sinnamon
20 Jan 2008, 11:04 PM
5w4

Sexual variant

Is that like a sexual deviant? I'd kinda like that.

Valeria
21 Jan 2008, 01:09 AM
Type 1 Perfectionism |||||||||| 33%
Type 2 Helpfulness |||||| 30%
Type 3 Image Awareness |||||||||| 40%
Type 4 Sensitivity |||||||||||| 50%
Type 5 Detachment |||||||||||||||||||| 83%
Type 6 Anxiety |||||||||| 40%
Type 7 Adventurousness |||||||||| 33%
Type 8 Aggressiveness |||||||||||| 50%
Type 9 Calmness |||||||||||||||||| 80%

5w9? :unsure:

voted 5w4

ImNotTooPopular
21 Jan 2008, 03:50 AM
I haven't been in here in the longest time. I'm surprised to see this poll is still be voted in. It's too bad I couldn't fit the wingless types in.

Ponderous
3 Feb 2008, 09:59 PM
Hmm, 2 out of 3 8w7s are banned.

b9588
4 Feb 2008, 09:14 AM
I am quite well-versed in the Myers-Briggs, but the Enneagram is, as so far, uncharted territory.

It definitely seems to take a very different approach than the MBTI, including taking into account much more pathology.

I fit the unhealthy level 8 description of 5w4 to a T. In fact, I'm schizoid as well, so that seems to tie the whole thing together for me.

bluebell
4 Feb 2008, 09:22 AM
The only thing I can say for sure is that I'm not a 2 or a 7. I get a different result each time, and the scores tend to be fairly similar. *shrug*

I do like the levels of health concept though.

Ariel
5 Feb 2008, 06:15 AM
Hmm, 2 out of 3 8w7s are banned.

...

EsoteriEccentri
5 Feb 2008, 08:19 AM
>> 5w4 is the most popular?

Latte
7 Feb 2008, 12:13 AM
>> 5w4 is the most popular?

Yeah, all the cool kids are 5w4.

panda
7 Feb 2008, 01:08 AM
I dislike the Enneagram, but I've typed as both 5 and 7.

_idiosyncracies
8 Feb 2008, 02:05 AM
I either get a wingless 5, or 5w4 - the latter I am more partial towards since that means I grasp logic and aesthetics (or it could simply mean I'm a lazy motherfucker who's always in a funk)

Hoho.

StarNips
1 Mar 2008, 12:04 AM
I'm also 5 with 4 wing, like most of you. <_< So much for the individualistic 4s.

starla
1 Mar 2008, 12:48 AM
I'm a wingless 5.

Throttled
6 Mar 2008, 02:17 PM
I don't really know if I'm a 5 or 8. I usually score about the same on both.

Likethewind
16 Mar 2008, 11:08 PM
4w5, as I've already said in another topic.

Makkis
17 Mar 2008, 12:31 AM
9w1 most likely.

kali
24 Mar 2008, 10:58 AM
5w4. Explains a lot.

Uberfuhrer
12 Apr 2008, 04:35 PM
I'm not an INTP, so that's what I voted for, but I'm an Enneagram 5w4. Though I sometimes test as 5w6, 6w5, and sometimes even 4w5.

Sarcasticus
9 May 2008, 05:37 PM
Yep another 5w4. Can world domination be far behind?

wreckoning
2 Jul 2008, 04:44 AM
I scored as 9w8 (and voted as 9w8 in this poll) and thought I was cool since I would be a "unique INTP"... then I realized I was adding up my test results wrong. I'm actually 5w4. Lame!

msg_v2
2 Jul 2008, 05:48 AM
I've tested as a 5w4, a 3w2, and a 5w6. The test I got a 5w6 on had the most questions, and I took it the most recently, so I'm assuming that's probably the correct one. But I think the fact that I've gotten much less consistent results with Ennegrams (as opposed to Myers-Briggs, where I've always scored as an INTP), makes me wonder how useful of a system it really is.

manza
2 Jul 2008, 06:51 AM
5w4. Fancy that.

curiouslittleboy
11 Jul 2008, 09:03 PM
What the hell is Enneagram?

Leafknight
4 Sep 2008, 07:56 PM
I'm still not clear on the term "wing" as I'm still learning this stuff but I think I'm 6w5 so that's what I voted:

Type 1 Perfectionism |||||||||||| 41%
Type 2 Helpfulness |||||| 22%
Type 3 Image Focus |||||| 27%
Type 4 Hypersensitivity |||||||||||||||| 67%
Type 5 Detachment |||||||||||||||||||| 82%
Type 6 Anxiety |||||||||||||||||||| 82%
Type 7 Adventurousness |||||||||||| 44%
Type 8 Aggressiveness |||||||||||||| 55%
Type 9 Calmness |||||||||||| 44%

hmmm-yeah
15 Sep 2008, 12:26 AM
I voted 5w6 but it doesn't describe me very well.


Type 1 Perfectionism |||||| 22%
Type 2 Helpfulness |||||||||||| 50%
Type 3 Image Focus |||||||||||||| 54%
Type 4 Hypersensitivity |||||||||||| 42%
Type 5 Detachment |||||||||||||||| 70%
Type 6 Anxiety |||||||||||| 46%
Type 7 Adventurousness |||||||||||||| 58%
Type 8 Aggressiveness |||||||||||||| 54%
Type 9 Calmness |||||||||||||||| 70%

Nunki
15 Sep 2008, 01:19 AM
I'm a Five with approximately balanced wings. I favor the 5w4 personality type, so that's what I'll go with.

augi55
28 Nov 2008, 02:58 AM
Does wingless mean the two type surrounding your dominant are super low? Or does it mean the two surrounding are equal?

Type 1 Perfectionism |||||| 30%
Type 2 Helpfulness |||||| 30%
Type 3 Image Focus |||||||||||| 42%
Type 4 Hypersensitivity |||||||||||||||| 62%
Type 5 Detachment |||||||||||||||||||| 82%
Type 6 Anxiety |||||||||||||||| 62%
Type 7 Adventurousness |||||||||||| 50%
Type 8 Aggressiveness |||||||||||| 46%
Type 9 Calmness |||||||||||||||| 70%

Randall
28 Nov 2008, 04:02 AM
I tested as a 5w6, but I also sound a lot like a 5w4 (obviously), I suppose I'll agree with the test though. That's my only problem with the enneagram test. With the MBTI, I knew I was an INTP after reading the profile, with the enneagram, I'm still not quite sure.

spamtar
10 Oct 2009, 11:20 PM
Keep on getting inconsistant results between 5w4 and 5w6 and now just got one for 7w4! Arrg!

1104
11 Oct 2009, 12:15 AM
read type descriptions.

spamtar
11 Oct 2009, 01:38 AM
read type descriptions.

The materials I have read are unclear for self analysis too for my personality. Definately feel I am a 5 but when it comes to my wing I can identify with both 4 and 6. Parts apply and other parts don't; this distribution is essentially equally for each wing.:mellow:

1104
11 Oct 2009, 02:08 AM
hmm.. i just say enneagram is overall a bad system, so i wouldn't bother trying to pinpoint the distinction between the two. hell, just pick the one you want ;)

Chunes
11 Oct 2009, 09:08 AM
Not an INTP, but I test as 9w1. I could see myself leaning toward 2, 4, and 5 as well.

noigmn
14 Oct 2009, 07:48 AM
The materials I have read are unclear for self analysis too for my personality. Definitely feel I am a 5 but when it comes to my wing I can identify with both 4 and 6. Parts apply and other parts don't; this distribution is essentially equally for each wing.:mellow:

Try here: Type 4 (http://www.9types.com/epd/4.php), Type 5 (http://www.9types.com/epd/5.php), Type 6 (http://www.9types.com/epd/6.php)

Seeing the enneagram cycles can help simplify it. It comes down to a choice between loyalty in search of security, and introspection in search of self understanding. If you have to choose between them in a situation, which do you usually go for?

edge walker
14 Oct 2009, 10:55 AM
This poll is comedy gold. At least 3&#215; too many people voted 5w4 (I see people in the list I know are 7w6, 9w1 or 6w5, some of them not INTPs). The 9w1 and especially 5w6 lists should be much larger than they are and the 5w4 list much smaller. There should be a handful more 6w5s.

Besides that... there is other stuff that doesn't add up. 7s are exclusively ExxP, and any 7 who thinks they are INTP is pretty much a mistyped ENTP. Likewise 8s are never INxx -- any 8 who thinks they're INTP is either an extrovert or a sensor, maybe even both. 9w8s are sensors. 95&#37; of 4s are INFx, with a few left-over 4w3s who are ISFPs. 1s are Js.

(And no, that doesn't mean I think Ptah is INTJ, it means he's not a 1w9, though that's certainly his gut fix. Hustler is not a 3 either.)

... Anyway.

bluebell
14 Oct 2009, 11:07 AM
I originally voted I have no idea (enneagram confused the hell out of me at first). I now think I'm most likely 5w6 (so/sx).

kali
14 Oct 2009, 12:08 PM
I ventured into personality construct testing at a time I was highly neurotic, and consequently I always scored an INTJ and a 5w6.

In my rudimentary, baseline state, I am a true 5w4 INTP.

edge walker
14 Oct 2009, 12:39 PM
There's no 5w4=INTP / 5w6=INTJ correspondence, in case that's what you're thinking. Most 5 INTPs and even more 5 INTJs are 5w6.

YHWH
14 Oct 2009, 12:44 PM
There's no 5w4=INTP / 5w6=INTJ correspondence, in case that's what you're thinking. Most 5 INTPs and even more 5 INTJs are 5w6.

INTPs do seem to correspond more with 5w4 and the poll confirms it. What are you basing your theory on?

edge walker
14 Oct 2009, 01:02 PM
The poll confirms that most people think they are 5w4s.

kali
14 Oct 2009, 01:16 PM
There's no 5w4=INTP / 5w6=INTJ correspondence, in case that's what you're thinking. Most 5 INTPs and even more 5 INTJs are 5w6.

Why? Because you're a 5w6?

I never stated any correspondence. I was merely stating what I scored.

Even though I think you're spouting bias-tainted speculation, I've wondered too about prevalence of 5w4 INTPs. Perhaps 5w4 INTPs are more drawn to online foruming; perhaps 5w6 INTPs are more drawn to gaming or other online activities besides socialising.

But nah. I do think there's a correlation between 5w4 and INTPism. We value individualism over security. I find 5w6s to be too rigid and cautious. I hated my 5w6 self.

edge walker
14 Oct 2009, 01:35 PM
I score 5w4 in every single test I take. When scores for multiple types are provided, I even get 4w5 as also very likely, sometimes ahead of 5w6.

Just FYI.

kali
14 Oct 2009, 01:37 PM
Why did you vote 5w6 in the poll?

edge walker
14 Oct 2009, 01:39 PM
Because I am.

kali
14 Oct 2009, 01:48 PM
Welly welly welly, this is like debating with a rock; 6 posts onwards and you still haven't justified your claim. I don't doubt your 5w6ness at all.

Ptah
14 Oct 2009, 02:18 PM
(And no, that doesn't mean I think Ptah is INTJ, it means he's not a 1w9, though that's certainly his gut fix. Hustler is not a 3 either.)


Well, for sport I took the/a test again. The similarminds "advanced" 131 q one.

This time I came out 5 sp/so/sx. 5 followed closely by 9, according to the results (below), for whatever that's worth.

This must be a different test than the one I took before. It didn't give me a "wing" (although perhaps this test does not feature that measurement?), nor did the previous test render me the sp/so/sx stuff.

Anyway, the results:

Type 1 Perfectionism |||||||||| 38%
Type 2 Helpfulness |||| 18%
Type 3 Image Focus || 10%
Type 4 Hypersensitivity |||| 17%
Type 5 Detachment |||||||||||||||||||| 90%
Type 6 Anxiety |||||||||||| 50%
Type 7 Adventurousness |||| 18%
Type 8 Aggressiveness |||||||||| 32%
Type 9 Calmness |||||||||||||||||||| 84%

T Sc description
5 63 I must be knowledgable and independent to be happy.
9 59 I must be peaceful and easy to get along with to be happy.
6 35 I must be secure and safe to be happy.
1 27 I must be perfect and good to be happy.
8 23 I must be strong and in control to be happy.
2 13 I must be helpful and caring to be happy.
7 13 I must be high and entertained to be happy.
4 12 I must avoid painful feelings to be happy.
3 7 I must be impressive and attractive to be happy.

*shrug*

edge walker
14 Oct 2009, 02:42 PM
Yeah, I see you as sp/so 5w6 with 1w9 gut fix. (Your image fix confounds me a little; some sort of 4 I think.)


Welly welly welly, this is like debating with a rock; 6 posts onwards and you still haven't justified your claim. I don't doubt your 5w6ness at all.
Few people on MBTI boards have much of a grasp of the Enneagram beyond a few superficialities, and the profiles tend to base their descriptions of 5w6 on an sp/soc 5w6 with a pronounced wing, the 5w4 profiles, an sp/sx 5w4 with a weak wing; they also tend to suggest a correlation between w6 and left-brain reasoning and w4 and right-brain reasoning, which is nonsense. The more right-brain and sx a 5w6 is, the more likely they will test as 5w4 and identify with those profiles... sx/sp 5w6s have even been known to think they are 4s (and INFPs).

cripple
14 Oct 2009, 03:23 PM
sx/sp 5w6s have even been known to think they are 4s (and INFPs).
True, I even tried to change my vote. I have tested both 5w4 and 4w5. But it was 5w6 I tested the first time and voted for. Still not sure if it is accurate.

1104
14 Oct 2009, 11:06 PM
detachment could be mistaken for calm. lots of similarities, i think. i kept thinking i was a 9, til i read the descriptions and was like "naah, i'm not that boring." and how many times am i going to say this, the test -both tests, mbti and enneagram- measure behavior. if you say the results are canon, then call yourself an INFP as well.

YHWH
15 Oct 2009, 12:18 AM
Hmm I just took a jung/enneagram test (http://similarminds.com/embj.html), I got INTP enneagram 4 sp/sx/so

Type 1 Perfectionism |||||||||||| 43&#37;
Type 2 Helpfulness |||| 13%
Type 3 Image Awareness |||||||||||||||| 63%
Type 4 Sensitivity |||||||||||||||||||| 90%
Type 5 Detachment |||||||||||||||||| 73%
Type 6 Anxiety |||||||||||||||||||| 86%
Type 7 Adventurousness |||||||||| 40%
Type 8 Aggressiveness |||||||||||||||| 66%
Type 9 Calmness |||||| 23%

5 is low compared to both 4 and 6, don't know how accurate that is.

Humanophage
23 Oct 2009, 01:07 AM
According to the lengthy Similarminds test:


Type 1 Perfection. |||||||||| 31&#37;
Type 2 Helpfulness |||||||||||| 41%
Type 3 Image Focus |||||||||||||||||| 77%
Type 4 Hypersens. |||||||||||||| 55%
Type 5 Detachment |||||||||||||||||| 78%
Type 6 Anxiety |||||||||||||| 57%
Type 7 Adventurous. |||||||||||||| 57%
Type 8 Aggressiveness |||||||||||| 47%
Type 9 Calmness |||||||||||||| 51%

5 55 I must be knowledgeable and independent to be happy.
3 54 I must be impressive and attractive to be happy.
6 40 I must be secure and safe to be happy.
7 40 I must be high and entertained to be happy.
4 39 I must avoid painful feelings to be happy.
9 36 I must be peaceful and easy to get along with to be happy.
8 33 I must be strong and in control to be happy.
2 29 I must be helpful and caring to be happy.
1 22 I must be perfect and good to be happy.

Main type 5.
sp/sx/so
Doesn't that make me a well-defined 5w3? Is this option so uncommon among INTPs that it wouldn't be included into the poll? I suspect it would have been a lot more popular than the rest of the options involving 3. My impression is that INTP is a reasonably vain type.

One merely doesn't think it appropriate to seek acknowledgement and attention, but it doesn't mean one doesn't derive pleasure from it. E.g., I do get anxious when receiving praise and I would avoid attention-whoring, but I can't help but realise that it is a hypocritical anxiousness masking actual pleasure, particularly at the thought that I am not delusional about my abilities.

electric sheep
23 Oct 2009, 02:52 AM
read my thread on INTP 3w2s. There's no such thing as 5w3, only questionable test results ;)

Humanophage
23 Oct 2009, 07:03 AM
I'm not sure I can agree, Electric sheep, but thank you for the observation. I've posted a reply in your thread.

edge walker
24 Oct 2009, 04:07 PM
Doesn't that make me a well-defined 5w3?
No, it means you are likely a 5w6, with probably a 3 heart fix (probably 3w4 -- 3w2 heart fix is much rarer and 4 ranks higher for you) and 9 gut fix (no guess about wing; 8 ranks higher than 1 for you but 9w1 is much more common). Though that's just going by test results. In general, Enneagram tests tend to be less easily manipulated than MBTI tests but also much less accurate.

abathur
24 Oct 2009, 07:37 PM
I tested 5w6 this time, but I've tested otherwise in the past, and there was very little difference between my score for 5w6, 6w5 and 5w4. Probably within the realm of personal-life-induced-sway.

Dooraven
7 Nov 2009, 06:15 AM
5w6 Definitely.

RavenSnow
12 Dec 2009, 11:06 PM
I just recently scored 5w4 on the Enneagram test, however, in the past I have mostly scored a balanced 5.

qualia
12 Dec 2009, 11:19 PM
4, both wings pretty strong.

milkyway2
14 Dec 2009, 08:23 AM
5w6

kali
14 Dec 2009, 08:49 AM
I'm 95&#37; sure I'm a 5w4 (the other 5% of me is hungry) but I accidentally voted for 5w6 on the poll.

Chloe
20 Dec 2009, 04:29 AM
I wonder how many of you INTP 5s relate to this video?

E5

edge walker
20 Dec 2009, 04:45 PM
Where he says that a 5 entering a room might acutely feel the expectations of others, the way he describes it I think applies more to non-soc-last 5s. But I do have a high-alert reaction when someone says or does something that might commit me to a position I am unwilling to defend -- this comes up somewhat regularly at the job. This is definitely linked to the issue of over-reliance on one's thinking; 5s cannot rely on their gut reactions so they feel they need to understand things to the point of mastery in order to handle any situations that might come up. And I'm leery of having to put this sort of attention into things I don't care about.

LastRailway
20 Dec 2009, 05:03 PM
It's been a long time since I took the test, but I remember I scored 5 with 8 the next highest score. However, since 5w8 is not a possible combination, I think I am 5w4.

For a very lazy person like myself, can anyone provide a really short description of the Enneagram types?

YHWH
20 Dec 2009, 05:17 PM
1 - The tight-ass
2 - The servant
3 - The attention whore
4 - Teh awesome!
5 - The intellectual
6 - the bore fest
7 - The obnoxious
8 - the douchebag
9 - The lazy ass.

LastRailway
20 Dec 2009, 05:20 PM
Thanks!

So I should normally be an Intellectual - wind: Douchebag, but, since this combination is not possible, I am an Intellectual - wind: awesome.

3AM
21 Dec 2009, 12:38 PM
*Snort.*

I came into this thread thinking "everybody's going to say they're a 5". Sure enough.

I am nearly 100% sure I'm a 6w5.

edge walker
21 Dec 2009, 02:31 PM
*Snort.*

I came into this thread thinking "everybody's going to say they're a 5". Sure enough.
And they're all w4 too.

Martavious
15 Jan 2010, 11:07 PM
Beyond taking the test twice, I am ignorant, and cannot discern the meaning of my scoring:

5 has always been the consistent high
whereas 1, 3, and 4 have always been roughly tied for second.
9 would take third.

5w1-3-4, or a "wingless" 5, whatever that means.

edge walker
15 Jan 2010, 11:22 PM
5w1
It just doesn't work that way, people. The wing types don't mean the same as the main types; it's not just a combination of "mostly this and some of that". (That exists too -- that's called trifix. But that's a different concept from the wings.)

FWIW, absent of any other indications I would interpret that result to point to 3w4 and 1w9 fixes as my default assumption. Enneagram tests aren't all that accurate, though, so I don't put much trust in those results alone.

Polemarch
15 Jan 2010, 11:44 PM
The computer is alleging I am an 8 - but I would swear that I am a 5. The computer is trying to deceive me. I am suspicious of it.

Faust06
17 Jan 2010, 12:04 AM
Tested again for the lulz, I seem to be all over the place. Whatever.

Wing 7w8 - 12.7
Wing 5w4 - 12.4
Wing 4w5 - 11.7
Wing 7w6 - 11.2
Wing 9w8 - 11
Wing 8w7 - 10.9
Wing 4w3 - 10.5
Wing 5w6 - 10.2
Wing 8w9 - 10
Wing 3w4 - 10
Wing 9w1 - 8.9

momidoll
24 Feb 2010, 09:10 PM
I just took two tests and both times I got 5w4.

jyakulis
24 Feb 2010, 09:37 PM
5w4 sometimes I test 3w4 though

Webols
25 Feb 2010, 09:11 PM
5w4 here and ready for inaction

Cypher
25 Apr 2010, 04:12 PM
I HAVE A QUESTION!

Is it possible to be a 5w3???

I guess not but why?

Flatchett
25 Apr 2010, 05:43 PM
3w4. I can in no way be described as an achiever though.


Threes want success not so much for the things that success will buy (like Sevens), or for the power and feeling of independence that it will bring (like Eights). They want success because they are afraid of disappearing into a chasm of emptiness and worthlessness: without the increased attention and feeling of accomplishment which success usually brings, Threes fear that they are nobody and have no value.

This dominates my life. Unfortunately, I'm too much of a lazy, self-loathing asshole to actually work toward success...

edge walker
25 Apr 2010, 07:19 PM
Is it possible to be a 5w3???

I guess not but why?
It's possible to be a 5 with a 3 fix (or else 2 or 4). You are also going to have a 8, 9 or 1 fix. This is the so-called trifix -- head fix (either 5, 6 or 7), heart fix (either 2, 3 or 4) and gut fix (either 8, 9, or 1). One of them is your core type but you also have one component each from the other two triads.

It is not possible to be a 5w3 because no such thing exists. The wing describes a colouring of the core fixation, not a co-fixation (as the fixes do). 5s with a more persona-seeking colouring of their core end up having a 5ness with superficial similarities to core 4s, while 5s with a more clarity-seeking colouring, to core 6s. There is no 5ness that has such similarities to core 3 on that level because type 3 is too differently configured.

This colouring from the wing is distinct from whether you can relate to those types, because the similarity is abstract and partial. I may be 5w6 but I relate to 6s hardly at all, and there are big differences between 5w4s and 4s as well.

kali
5 May 2010, 04:22 PM
I have a question, are 5s compatible? I mean, considering 5s' main desire is to disseminate their understanding, or more concisely, to teach, they sort of like entering relationships with a teacher-student attitude; an asymmetrical information flow with themselves as the information pump.

What about two 5s together then? Will they feel both mutually inadequate when they're around each other, both wanting to one-up each other intellectually? It becomes a teacher-teacher relationship; a lot of stagnancy. Or will it be different...?

I'm not sure. I have this relationship with a 5 and I feel constantly inadequate around him. He has genius-like intellect and I feel like he dumbs his words and ideas when he's around me.

Perhaps if we were on the same level intellectually, it would work.

rhuarch
5 May 2010, 05:24 PM
Surprise surprise! Another 5w4... with a healthy serving of 9.

http://forums.intpcentral.com/picture.php?albumid=140&pictureid=1009

edge walker
6 May 2010, 04:32 AM
I have a question, are 5s compatible?
The most likely problem between two 5s is giving each other so much room that the relationship isn't much of one, liable to drift to pieces without anyone really noticing.

It very much depends on the 5s in question, though.

!diom
15 May 2010, 07:18 AM
The Enneagram is retarded.

Alfredo
16 May 2010, 02:48 AM
The Enneagram is retarded.

why?

whytiger
17 May 2010, 02:39 PM
I'm surprised I'm only the second 3w4.

JollyBard
21 May 2010, 09:19 PM
Enneagrams seem kind of horoscopic to me, like someone else here said (can't remember where or who). Not enough research or explanation, and it's like you can't be "middle-zone". In the MBTI, the four pairs of preferences are scales, which makes a lot more possibilities.

1104
24 May 2010, 11:42 PM
Enneagrams seem kind of horoscopic to me, like someone else here said (can't remember where or who).

fair enough; in my experience they appeal to the same audience.

MontyBrogan
26 May 2010, 05:05 AM
I am a 5w7/9.

Type 1 Perfectionism |||||||||| 38%
Type 2 Helpfulness |||||||||||| 46%
Type 3 Image Focus |||||||||||| 46%
Type 4 Hypersensitivity |||||||||||| 50%
Type 5 Detachment |||||||||||||||||| 78%
Type 6 Anxiety |||||||||||||| 54%
Type 7 Adventurousness |||||||||||||||| 66%
Type 8 Aggressiveness |||||||||||| 46%
Type 9 Calmness |||||||||||||||| 66%

type score type behavior motivation
5 19 I must be knowledgable and independent to be happy.
7 16 I must be high and entertained to be happy.
9 16 I must maintian a peaceful and easygoing environment to be happy.
6 13 I must be secure and safe to be happy.
4 12 I must be true to my emotions to be happy.
2 11 I must be helpful and caring to be happy.
3 11 I must be impressive and attractive to be happy.
8 11 I must be strong and in control to be happy.
1 9 I must be perfect and good to be happy.

JollyBard
26 May 2010, 09:32 PM
I am a 5w7/9.

You can only be 5w4 or 5w6 if you're 5.

Sound
29 May 2010, 03:33 AM
I'm surprised I'm only the second 3w4.

Another one here!

shadowjack
18 Jun 2010, 05:38 PM
1w9 does not seem to be many.

edge walker
19 Jun 2010, 12:56 PM
Are you sure you're either a) a 1 or b) INTP? 1s are Js... almost by definition.

Pixelholic
20 Jun 2010, 12:09 AM
8w7

kali
21 Jun 2010, 05:07 AM
That's odd. I scored as a 7.


Type 7: 7
Type 5: 6
Type 4: 5
Type 9 -1
Type 1: -1
Type 3: -2
Type 6: -2
Type 8: -3
Type 2: -9


Type 1 Perfectionism |||||||||| 34%
Type 2 Helpfulness |||||| 26%
Type 3 Image Focus |||||||||||||||| 62%
Type 4 Hypersensitivity |||||||||||||||| 66%
Type 5 Detachment |||||||||||||||||||| 86%
Type 6 Anxiety |||||||||||| 46%
Type 7 Adventurousness |||||||||||||||| 66%
Type 8 Aggressiveness |||| 14%
Type 9 Calmness |||||||||||| 50%

type score type behavior motivation
5 21 I must be knowledgable and independent to be happy.
4 16 I must be true to my emotions to be happy.
7 16 I must be high and entertained to be happy.
3 15 I must be impressive and attractive to be happy.
9 12 I must maintian a peaceful and easygoing environment to be happy.
6 11 I must be secure and safe to be happy.
1 8 I must be perfect and good to be happy.
2 6 I must be helpful and caring to be happy.
8 3 I must be strong and in control to be happy.

Alfredo
22 Jun 2010, 01:43 AM
That's odd. I scored as a 7.


Type 7: 7
Type 5: 6
Type 4: 5
Type 9 -1
Type 1: -1
Type 3: -2
Type 6: -2
Type 8: -3
Type 2: -9


Type 1 Perfectionism |||||||||| 34%
Type 2 Helpfulness |||||| 26%
Type 3 Image Focus |||||||||||||||| 62%
Type 4 Hypersensitivity |||||||||||||||| 66%
Type 5 Detachment |||||||||||||||||||| 86%
Type 6 Anxiety |||||||||||| 46%
Type 7 Adventurousness |||||||||||||||| 66%
Type 8 Aggressiveness |||| 14%
Type 9 Calmness |||||||||||| 50%

type score type behavior motivation
5 21 I must be knowledgable and independent to be happy.
4 16 I must be true to my emotions to be happy.
7 16 I must be high and entertained to be happy.
3 15 I must be impressive and attractive to be happy.
9 12 I must maintian a peaceful and easygoing environment to be happy.
6 11 I must be secure and safe to be happy.
1 8 I must be perfect and good to be happy.
2 6 I must be helpful and caring to be happy.
8 3 I must be strong and in control to be happy.

Sevens are the biggest tease. So much potential, but so little discipline.

Bongmaster General
22 Jun 2010, 02:43 AM
I identify heavily with the six type, which is convenient since I'd strike myself as pretentious heavily identifying with anything short of the least flattering type available.

Also, I'm surprised so few of the "INTP" implied open ended, self-absorbed, detached from the senses, and ruminating types here identify with the constant anxiety of type six.

BlinkandThink
22 Jun 2010, 03:36 AM
Sevens are the biggest tease. So much potential, but so little discipline.


<--- 7


I have a theory that if I saw every good idea I've had through to completion, I'd end up being Queen of the Milky Way or something. But then it's hard for me to want to be Queen of the Milky Way because there are so many other things that are close and sparkly.


Translation:

:banana:

:sadbanana:

:banana:

:sadbanana:

:banana:

:sadbanana:

:sombrero:

JollyBard
22 Jun 2010, 02:26 PM
I have a theory that if I saw every good idea I've had through to completion, I'd end up being Queen of the Milky Way or something. But then it's hard for me to want to be Queen of the Milky Way because there are so many other things that are close and sparkly.

You should give me some of your ideas, I've always wanted to be a Queen.

Cicho
3 Jul 2010, 12:17 PM
I was typed as 4w5 in high school, but I've been 5w4 for the last few years.

teleforce
3 Jul 2010, 12:29 PM
i know shit about the enneagram, but recently i tested as 5w6 on some arbitrary online test when i used to test 5w4 all the time. i still think i'm closer to 5w4. also, i don't know shit about the variants and stackings but after reading a little (not much) about them i'd say sp/sx seems to fit or something like that. dear internet, enlighten me. don't. /no clue

edge walker
3 Jul 2010, 04:30 PM
i know shit about the enneagram, but recently i tested as 5w6 on some arbitrary online test when i used to test 5w4 all the time. i still think i'm closer to 5w4.
I always test 5w4. The tests and 5w6 profiles just aren't very good, they make it sound as though 5w4s have the monopoly on subjective reasoning, impressionism, imagination... and paint 5w6s as these over-rational, methodical thinkers. Some are, but that's far from the whole story on the subtype.


also, i don't know shit about the variants and stackings but after reading a little (not much) about them i'd say sp/sx seems to fit or something like that. dear internet, enlighten me. don't. /no clue
Yes, that works for you.

JollyBard
3 Jul 2010, 07:21 PM
I think the difference between 5w6 INTPs and 5w4 INTP can be fixed with the SLOAN, which adds another digit: whether your emotions are stable or not.
Fuck this enneagram bullshit. A person's personality cannot be contained in a hue.

With a hue, there is just the tint. You need two other sliders to change the shade and saturation.

With RGB sliders, you can have any color.

edge walker
3 Jul 2010, 07:34 PM
I think the difference between 5w6 INTPs and 5w4 INTP can be fixed with the SLOAN, which adds another digit: whether your emotions are stable or not.
I score Limbic; conversely, many 5w4s score Calm.

Stigmata
4 Jul 2010, 12:14 AM
Type 1 Perfectionism |||||| 26%
Type 2 Helpfulness |||| 14%
Type 3 Image Focus |||||| 26%
Type 4 Hypersensitivity |||||||||| 38%
Type 5 Detachment |||||||||||||||||||| 90%
Type 6 Anxiety |||||||||||| 42%
Type 7 Adventurousness |||||||||||| 42%
Type 8 Aggressiveness |||||| 26%
Type 9 Calmness |||||||||||||||||||| 82%

type score type behavior motivation
5 22 I must be knowledgable and independent to be happy.
9 20 I must maintian a peaceful and easygoing environment to be happy.
6 10 I must be secure and safe to be happy.
7 10 I must be high and entertained to be happy.
4 9 I must be true to my emotions to be happy.
1 6 I must be perfect and good to be happy.
3 6 I must be impressive and attractive to be happy.
8 6 I must be strong and in control to be happy.
2 3 I must be helpful and caring to be happy.

Karl
4 Jul 2010, 03:02 AM
Type 1 Perfectionism |||||||||||| 42%
Type 2 Helpfulness |||||||||||| 42%
Type 3 Image Focus || 10%
Type 4 Hypersensitivity |||||||||| 34%
Type 5 Detachment |||||||||||||||||| 74%
Type 6 Anxiety |||||||||||||||||||| 90%
Type 7 Adventurousness || 10%
Type 8 Aggressiveness |||| 14%
Type 9 Calmness |||||| 30%

Your variant is social

whoo type six

go anxiety

Karl
4 Jul 2010, 03:10 AM
descriptions of enneagram six make them/us sound really screwed up

edge walker
4 Jul 2010, 04:48 AM
There's a lot of anti-6 bias in much of Enneagram-land. Reality is that 6 is the most common Ennea type by far, and the most varied in expression. (6s of different MBTI types can almost pass for entirely separate Ennea types sometimes. Their core issue is the same trust ambivalence, but it manifests so differently.) The profile I'd most recommend, from a private board, has been posted by someone I don't know at TypoC (http://www.typologycentral.com/forums/enneagram/24962-type-six.html).

Karl
4 Jul 2010, 05:38 AM
The person who wrote that claims to be an ISFP. I should go back to claiming to be an ISFP, that was fun. Really given up on the whole MBTI thing. If anyone wants me to change my type they could probably get me to by PMing me at this point. Although I'd prefer ISFP, thanks in advance.

Anyway, that does seem much nicer, but I don't know if that's due to the lack of a bias or the presence of a bias that's less unpleasant to me. In any case it is a bit reassuring, and rivals your own posts in length. I have trouble taking these things seriously but I guess a paradigm that isn't strictly true can still be used as a way for mapping certain kinds of things out.

To some extent I wouldn't be surprised if 6's were the most common type. Certain aspects of the six description do seem pretty widespread.

(I like that someone in that topic mentions the show "monk." It's a really cheesy show but there is something comforting about it too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7asXAbpLi3w

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBwmGVjfbH8)

edge walker
4 Jul 2010, 06:38 AM
The person who wrote that claims to be an ISFP. I should go back to claiming to be an ISFP, that was fun. Really given up on the whole MBTI thing. If anyone wants me to change my type they could probably get me to by PMing me at this point. Although I'd prefer ISFP, thanks in advance.
I still see you as INFJ. :)

(Curiously, in Ennea land, the people who have the most trouble figuring out their type and who go hopping are almost invariably 6s...)


Anyway, that does seem much nicer, but I don't know if that's due to the lack of a bias or the presence of a bias that's less unpleasant to me.
The guy who originally wrote these profiles (not the person who posted them on TypoC) is ENTP 8w7, and while he does have anti-6 bias, he did a pretty good job of checking it for his profiles, trying to gear them toward people of a type identifying with their type's profile and not misidentifying with another's. (His first iteration of the 9 profile, esp the 9w1 part, was staggeringly negative, in an attempt to dissuade 6s from seeing themselves in it. Funnily enough, the 9w1s who read it were less bothered than might seem reasonable... until you remember that they're 9w1s I guess. The last revision reads reasonably, though.)


In any case it is a bit reassuring, and rivals your own posts in length.
I didn't know I write long posts, especially that long. :) Most are two-liners, really.


I have trouble taking these things seriously but I guess a paradigm that isn't strictly true can still be used as a way for mapping certain kinds of things out.
Thing is you can't treat typology material as a list of traits. You have to interpret it as a set of mechanisms. Which have some flexibility. The foundation of the Enneagram is the idea that we have three problem emotions -- fear, anger and shame --, and there are three strategies of dealing with any of these. One of these is predominant for each person, though everyone also has to deal with both others. Out of these basics falls a whole kaleidoscope of consequences resulting in various defences and coping mechanisms. It takes a while to take in the entire system and its interrelations, though, a task not aided by the fact that most Enneagram material is, err, of questionable quality, and the good material on the web is often much too short. Unfortunately.

Karl
4 Jul 2010, 04:37 PM
I still see you as INFJ. :)

(Curiously, in Ennea land, the people who have the most trouble figuring out their type and who go hopping are almost invariably 6s...)


Works for me.

Hoppers supposed to be "P's" in MBTI though.

I remember reading this sort of well known site and mostly identifying with the non-INFJ descriptions;
http://www.infjorinfp.com/

I don't really know who to listen to anymore for what means what.




I didn't know I write long posts, especially that long. :) Most are two-liners, really.

I had you confused with another poster, you're right. I have a bigger history with long posts than you.



The guy who originally wrote these profiles (not the person who posted them on TypoC) is ENTP 8w7, and while he does have anti-6 bias, he did a pretty good job of checking it for his profiles, trying to gear them toward people of a type identifying with their type's profile and not misidentifying with another's. (His first iteration of the 9 profile, esp the 9w1 part, was staggeringly negative, in an attempt to dissuade 6s from seeing themselves in it. Funnily enough, the 9w1s who read it were less bothered than might seem reasonable... until you remember that they're 9w1s I guess. The last revision reads reasonably, though.)It did strike me that some of the explanations of other people were pretty negative.


Sixes don't romanticize isolation and don't have delusions of grandeur like fives do.Of course, that does fit m perception of a lot of people who feel the need to go on about how smart they are etc and are building up their whole self image that way. Same sort of thing with the other ones.

If he wrote profiles for other people, I'd be interested to see where they are.



Thing is you can't treat typology material as a list of traits. You have to interpret it as a set of mechanisms. Which have some flexibility. The foundation of the Enneagram is the idea that we have three problem emotions -- fear, anger and shame --, and there are three strategies of dealing with any of these. One of these is predominant for each person, though everyone also has to deal with both others. Out of these basics falls a whole kaleidoscope of consequences resulting in various defences and coping mechanisms. It takes a while to take in the entire system and its interrelations, though, a task not aided by the fact that most Enneagram material is, err, of questionable quality, and the good material on the web is often much too short. Unfortunately.I'm somewhat curious now; do you have any recommendations for offline material that doesn't suck? Because a lot of what I see online comes across as being really new agey, which doesn't seem to bother most people. When I first heard about enneagram I didn't want to take it seriously because it was a pentagram. :lol: Your explanation makes it sound both more useful and interesting, even if I still question its strict accuracy.

runninginacircle
12 Jul 2010, 02:03 PM
7

Lagspike
5 Sep 2010, 12:49 AM
Type 1 Perfectionism |||||||||||||| 54%
Type 2 Helpfulness |||| 18%
Type 3 Image Focus |||||||||||||||| 70%
Type 4 Hypersensitivity |||||| 28%
Type 5 Detachment |||||||||||||||||| 78%
Type 6 Anxiety |||||||||||||||| 64%
Type 7 Adventurousness |||||||||||| 48%
Type 8 Aggressiveness |||||||||||||| 60%
Type 9 Calmness |||||||||| 35%

First test (shorter version) showed Type 3 @ 78% (with type 6 @ 74% and type 5 @ 66%) . I would agree that I am type 5, but my type 3 is very strong as well. I'd say it depends on my mood.

thexjib
20 Sep 2010, 02:57 PM
I see myself in the 4 5 and 6 descriptions... I think deep down inside I am a loyalist so I pick 6w5. I think most of the 6 profiles suck as they seem to be describing a guardian SJ type of person...which I am certainly not... but anxiety is my undoing and when I form an alliance with someone I take it ever so seriously.

Cbug
9 Oct 2010, 11:55 AM
I voted 5w6 the first time. I wanted to be in a minority group. I wonder how many would change their vote if a new poll was set up?

proverbs6:13
26 Feb 2011, 04:51 PM
7w8.

aether
16 Apr 2011, 10:21 AM
Latest results: PSTypes Enneagram Test Results
The Distribution of Your Scores

Type One:

9
Type Two:

1
Type Three:

13
Type Four:

16
Type Five:

45
Type Six:

18
Type Seven:

13
Type Eight:

0
Type Nine:

42

Your probable Enneagram Type
Your main type is 5.
Considering the wings you should be a 5w6.

mxmxmx
13 Dec 2011, 03:26 AM
When I completed the Free Enneagram Test, the result given was 5w7.
I'm uncomfortable with this test, because on many of the questions I can truthfully answer yes to both options with equal weight, examples being:

1. I've been
romantic and imaginative.
pragmatic and down to earth.

2. I have tended to
take on confrontations.
avoid confrontations.

4. I have tended to be
focused and intense.
spontaneous and fun-loving.

19. Generally, I have been
methodical and cautious.
adventurous and taken risks.

Although I'm curious about which types other people identify with, I'm actually more interested in the the answers to the individual questions.

gator
13 Dec 2011, 05:19 AM
I have the same problem with all of these tests. There is often a difference between how I think and how I act which is never really accommodated by the questions.

I guess the question is which one would you prefer or choose most often? What is your first reaction? Don't overthink it.

mxmxmx
13 Dec 2011, 12:39 PM
Yup. Think vs. act, preference vs. actuality, internal attitudes vs external displays, etc.


Don't overthink it.

lol. I think that's only possible with very strong medication or a huge blow to the head.

M1n1f1g
21 Dec 2011, 07:50 PM
I got these results:
1: Perfectionism
|||||||||||| 43%
2: Helpfulness
|||||| 23%
3: Image Awareness
|||| 16%
4: Sensitivity
|||||||||| 33%
5: Detachment
|||||||||||||||||||| 90%
6: Anxiety
|||||| 23%
7: Adventurousness
|||||||||||| 46%
8: Aggressiveness
|||||| 23%
9: Calmness
|||||||||||||||||||| 83%

Does that mean 5w4? The result was just "5".

rhinosaur
3 Jan 2012, 02:16 PM
When I completed the Free Enneagram Test, the result given was 5w7. The wing has to be adjacent to the primary type. You can be 5w4 or 5w6, but 5w7 is not really a type. What's probably going on is that you are either a very healthy 7 who is expressing some traits of type 5, or an unhealthy 5 who is expressing traits of type 7. As your personal emotional health gets better or worse, you take on characteristics of another type, indicated by the lines drawn between the numbers in the enneagram.

Hugo_intp
4 Jan 2012, 11:00 AM
5w6, though I have absolutely no idea what that means lol

nazirah
22 Mar 2012, 03:40 AM
If there was a hybrid between 5 and 7 then I'm happy. Personality tests are horrible.