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Oculus Sinister
9 Apr 2007, 12:06 PM
http://www.ullazang.com/personality.html

SolitaryWalker
9 Apr 2007, 12:28 PM
http://www.ullazang.com/personality.html

1)Se-ESTP,ESFP
2)Ti-INTP, ISTP
3)Ni-INTJ,INFJ
4)Si-ISTJ,ISFJ
5)Te-ENTJ
6)Fi-INFP,ISFP
7)Te-ESTJ
8)Fe-ENFJ,ESFJ
9)Ne-ENTP, ENFP

Oculus Sinister
9 Apr 2007, 12:33 PM
meh? right to left? I am an ESTJ? No way! I am awesome! I will direct all of you biotches now, right now biotch.

Stoned_Rider
9 Apr 2007, 12:35 PM
Moved from the non-INTP thingy, and added spoiler tags to Seawolf's post. I know it spoiled the test for me :sadbanana:

SolitaryWalker
9 Apr 2007, 01:48 PM
Moved from the non-INTP thingy, and added spoiler tags to Seawolf's post. I know it spoiled the test for me :sadbanana:

What purpose was the second part done for?

Jennywocky
9 Apr 2007, 02:51 PM
What purpose was the second part done for?

Umm.... because people don't want to see what types are connected to which pictures, thus automatically swaying their choices?

Interestingly, I was torn between #2 and #3. Most of the rest meant nothing to me.

cafe
9 Apr 2007, 02:59 PM
I like three the best. It has soothing, harmonious colors and the swirls look like a path that is leading someplace. I like to be going someplace because it's nice to have a goal and some direction.

zhang_bob
9 Apr 2007, 03:03 PM
I was torn between 5 and 7, but I picked out 7 in the end.



@ Seawolf. Me + ESTJ = :wtf:

lbloom
9 Apr 2007, 03:16 PM
2.

Edit: Picture, not enneagram.

Nightning
9 Apr 2007, 04:38 PM
1)Se-ESTP,ESFP
2)Ti-INTP, ISTP
3)Ni-INTJ,INFJ
4)Si-ISTJ
5)Te-ENTJ
6)Fi-INFP,ISFP
7)Te-ESTJ
8)Fe-ENFJ,ESFJ
9)Ne-ENTP, ENFP

You do realize each shape is associated with a number that isn't systematically ordered right?

airjaw
9 Apr 2007, 06:37 PM
The two that I chose both describe me really well...

First choice:
introspective
sensitive
reflective

second choice:
independent
unconventional
unfettered

dubious
9 Apr 2007, 06:53 PM
If you notice, each shape page has a number on it. Does seawolf's chart correspond to that number or is it ordered from left to right, top to bottom?

The one I liked the most is numbered as 5 but is positioned at the top right. After that I found the one marked as 2 to be interesting, top center.

booyalab
9 Apr 2007, 06:54 PM
I like #3 and #9, which are polar opposites.

Fingers
9 Apr 2007, 07:01 PM
Picked 7

naruto littles helpers.jpeg
9 Apr 2007, 07:05 PM
wow thats really weirdie balls. i only liked 2 and 3, 2! weirdie weirdie wedirie balls. but i chose the second one -- it was the most aesthetically pleasing-- tho those purples were really sexy in the third pic-- and totally manly with that shooting triangular phallus--hawtness!

aries
9 Apr 2007, 08:07 PM
I picked http://www.ullazang.com/shape_4.html

I suppose it worked but I wouldn't trust an image as an indicator of personality
It's not too true for me either

Tayshaun
9 Apr 2007, 08:12 PM
I picked #2. It was jazzy. Poll?

Autumn
9 Apr 2007, 08:41 PM
Interestingly, I was torn between #2 and #3. Most of the rest meant nothing to me.

Just like me. After some hesitating I chose 3 (2 was too cold for me).
And I do numbering like:
1 2 3
4 5 6
7 8 9

Jennywocky
9 Apr 2007, 08:50 PM
Just like me. After some hesitating I chose 3 (2 was too cold for me).
And I do numbering like:
1 2 3
4 5 6
7 8 9

That was my numbering as well... and that was also the one I chose.

I dont post much
9 Apr 2007, 09:12 PM
I picked 8, and then 5.

Rice-Tactics
9 Apr 2007, 09:43 PM
I chose the purple swirl. Fairly Accurate but lacking depth.

cafe
9 Apr 2007, 09:56 PM
Are the numbers (the ones in the address) enneagram numbers?

TKT
9 Apr 2007, 11:06 PM
I chose the purple swirl. Fairly Accurate but lacking depth. I picked the purple thing too.

SolitaryWalker
10 Apr 2007, 12:02 AM
Umm.... because people don't want to see what types are connected to which pictures, thus automatically swaying their choices?

Interestingly, I was torn between #2 and #3. Most of the rest meant nothing to me.


The third is Ni...you know like how Ni-Fe can make you look like an Fi... that is type 4 Ennegram... thats exactly the case here with the INTP... Ti-Ne (depth of Ni and internally sharp focus of Ti can make you look like an Ni)...

I was torn between 2 and 9th... so no surprise there.. Ti and Ne..was really leaning towards the latter.. so i am not surprised again since I've been working on my Extroverted Intuition so much lately.

SolitaryWalker
10 Apr 2007, 12:03 AM
You do realize each shape is associated with a number that isn't systematically ordered right?

I know... 1 in my post. does not mean the highest ranking type... it just means that picture 1....

1 is the top left corner ...9 is the far down right corner..

SolitaryWalker
10 Apr 2007, 12:06 AM
Are the numbers (the ones in the address) enneagram numbers?

Pictures 1-9... 1 on the top left... 9 on the bottom right..

1)Ennegram 3
2)Ennegram 5
3)Ennegram 1
4)Ennegram 9
5)Ennegram 8
6)Ennegram 4
7)Ennegram 6
8)Ennegram 2
9)Ennegram 7


How is that?

cafe
10 Apr 2007, 12:19 AM
Pictures 1-9... 1 on the top left... 9 on the bottom right..

1)Ennegram 3
2)Ennegram 5
3)Ennegram 1
4)Ennegram 9
5)Ennegram 8
6)Ennegram 4
7)Ennegram 6
8)Ennegram 2
9)Ennegram 7


How is that?
Sounds right. It's just bugging me that the numbers in the addresses seem random.

SolitaryWalker
10 Apr 2007, 12:37 AM
Sounds right. It's just bugging me that the numbers in the addresses seem random.


Oh yeah, they are random, even though we can see them as 1-9, the way they were placed there had nothing to do with the ennegram 1-9 numbers.

So

Ennegram 1--

You come to grips more frequently and thoroughly with yourself and your environment than do most people.

You detest superficiality. You'd rather be alone than have to suffer through small talk.

Your relationships with your friends are very strong, which gives you the inner tranquility and harmony that you require.

You do not mind being alone for extended periods of time. You are rarely bored.


Ennegram 2



You are a very sensitive person. You refuse to view things only from a sober, rational standpoint.

You listen to your feelings. It is important for you to have dreams in life.

You reject people who scorn romanticism and are guided only by rationality.

You refuse to let anything confine the rich variety of your moods and emotions.

back contact


Ennegram 3



You love a free and spontaneous life. And you strive to enjoy every moment, in accordance with the motto: "You only live once."

You are very curious and open about everything new. You thrive on change. Nothing is worse than when you feel tied down.

You experience your environment as being versatile and always good for a surprise.



Ennegram 4



You are easy-going and independent. You do not need to be the center of attention, instead you graciously let others take center stage.

You have no set plans, rather you prefer to "go with the flow," relying on your sharp instincts and intuition as situations present themselves to you. You are very social and popular, yet you are perfectly happy going off alone to persue your interests. There is a quiet confidence about you.


Ennegram 5



You demand a free and unattached life for yourself that allows you to determine your own course. You have an artistic bent in your work or leisure activities.

Your urge for freedom sometimes causes you to do exactly the opposite of what is expected of you.

Your lifestyle is highly individualistic. You would never follow trends.




Ennegram 6



You appreciate high quality and things that endure. Consequently, you like to surround yourself with little "gems," which are often overlooked by others.

Culture and tradition are important to you.

You have found your own personal style, which is elegant and exclusive, free from the whims of fashion.

Your ideal, upon which you base your life, is sophisticated



Ennegram 7



You are quite willing to accept certain risks and to make a strong commitment in exchange for interesting and varied work.

Routine, in contrast, tends to have a paralyzing effect on you.

What you like most is to be able to play an active role in events. In doing so, your initiative is highly pronounced.



Ennegram 8



You take charge of your life, and place less faith in luck and more in your own deeds. You solve problems in a practical, uncomplicated manner.

You take a realistic view of the things in your daily life and tackle them without wavering.

You are given a great deal of responsibility at work, because people know that you can be depended upon.


Ennegram 9



You value a natural style and love that which is uncomplicated. People admire you because you have both feet planted firmly on the ground and they can depend on you.

You give those who are close to you security and space. You are perceived as being warm and human.

You reject everything that is garish and trite. You tend to be skeptical toward the whims of fashion trends. Your style is easy and elegant.

AllAboutSoul
10 Apr 2007, 05:52 AM
Swirly purple thing. Enneagram 1, I guess. Introspective-Sensitive-Reflective. Described me pretty well. I usually test 9w1. And 5w6. And 5w4. And so on and so on. But 9w1 mostly.

demagogic_schizoid
10 Apr 2007, 01:53 PM
Number 3, by a country mile. It said this:


You come to grips more frequently and thoroughly with yourself and your environment than do most people.

You detest superficiality. You'd rather be alone than have to suffer through small talk.

Your relationships with your friends are very strong, which gives you the inner tranquility and harmony that you require.

You do not mind being alone for extended periods of time. You are rarely bored.

Seawolf, what's your typing based on?

SolitaryWalker
10 Apr 2007, 02:25 PM
Number 3, by a country mile. It said this:



Seawolf, what's your typing based on?

General correspondences. I could explain why I typed the pictures on an individual level, though not the whole system, because I really did not have a method.

demagogic_schizoid
10 Apr 2007, 02:32 PM
General correspondences. I could explain why I typed the pictures on an individual level, though not the whole system, because I really did not have a method.

well having read the descritpions I think your typing is probably correct, I just wondered if you knew something in particular about the test. I came out as Ni though, which is strange, yet socionics would say this is the correct result for an INTp. Then again, reading the descriiption for 2 and 3 (which for obvious reasons Ipaid most attention to) I wonder if maybe you couldn't swap them round. 2 is about freedom and control of one's own life, following one's own path, I can see this is as being Ni, and 3 is about finding the "essence" of things - Ti? I'm not sure about this, I'd just like to hear your counter-argument.

SolitaryWalker
10 Apr 2007, 02:45 PM
well having read the descritpions I think your typing is probably correct, I just wondered if you knew something in particular about the test. I came out as Ni though, which is strange, yet socionics would say this is the correct result for an INTp. Then again, reading the descriiption for 2 and 3 (which for obvious reasons Ipaid most attention to) I wonder if maybe you couldn't swap them round. 2 is about freedom and control of one's own life, following one's own path, I can see this is as being Ni, and 3 is about finding the "essence" of things - Ti? I'm not sure about this, I'd just like to hear your counter-argument.

Well, I think we could say that Ni is more about introspection than Ti. The INFJ Dostoevsky and the INTJ Nietzsche were praised by Freud as the two men who knew themselves better than anyone who has ever lived or will live could ever hope to.

Ni is a highly autonomous function, albeit the Te and the Fe are not. Incidentally, the INTJ and the INFJ end up being independent, though slightly less independent than the INTP. The theme for autonomy is Ti, I would say. Not necessarily living out your dreams as with the Ni, yet just being left alone to do your inner thought experiments, to be free from external sanctions. Though Ni may also have such a desire, to be free from external sanctions, yet it does not necessarily demand it. Because it may actually chose to put up with them as means to an end, namely of living out the vision in the long-run. And the long run implications is what the Ni is all about, whilst the Ti is not as much.

Also, picture 3 has the word 'sensitive' in it. This can not apply either to the INTP, and even less to the ISTP. Though clearly to the INFJ, and less so to the INTJ, though significantly more than to the Tis. This is because of the tertiary Fi, which is amplified by a deep internal focus of the Ni. Based on this, we can easily say that the INTJ may not be all that sensitive, though clearly more sensitive than the INTP. They tend to mellow with age nonetheless, the INTJs that is. Not sure if sensitive applies to the INTJ well, but certainly better than it does to the INTP. The way the word reflective was used, seemed to be in a very non-vernacular fashion. It insinuated a primacy of being synthetic to analytic, yet Tis tend to be more analytic than synthetic, whilst the INFJ and the INTJ do not.

Picture three also mentioned how one relies on close friendships to keep the inner peace. This is very characteristic of the INFJ, and more so of the INTJ than of the INTP. INTPs tend to be solitary walkers who enjoy friendships, though unlike the INTJs, do not require them for the soundness of the inner world.

The main reason why Ti was 2 and Ni was 3 because autonomy was the theme for 2, and Introspection was the theme for 3. I argue that the theme for Ni is introspection and autonomy for Ti. In the case of the former due to the intense inner focus with a broad abstract vision, and in the case of the Ti: the lack of need for emotional support and having an internally focused decision making faculty which makes it possible for one to live life accordingly almost to entirely inner standards. This is why you can oftenly see INTPs not listening to anyone and disregarding the convention, and at times, like I even myself did, would do things that clearly rile people up and do the complete opposite of what is expected, this was clearly mentioned in picture 2. Whilst Ni needs more emotional support because the feeling element is higher, and because its judgment is extroverted, it simply needs to borrow more from the outside than the Ti. For this reason I am saying that Ni is less autonomous, yet more introspective than the Ti. Hence, this justifies my choice to have Ti at 2 and Ni at 3.

Jennywocky
10 Apr 2007, 02:52 PM
The main reason why Ti was 2 and Ni was 3 because autonomy was the theme for 2, and Introspection was the theme for 3. I argue that the theme for Ni is introspection and autonomy for Ti. In the case of the former due to the intense inner focus with a broad abstract vision, and in the case of the Ti: the lack of need for emotional support and having an internally focused decision making faculty which makes it possible for one to live life accordingly almost to entirely inner standards. This is why you can oftenly see INTPs not listening to anyone and disregarding the convention, and at times, like I even myself did, would do things that clearly rile people up and do the complete opposite of what is expected, this was clearly mentioned in picture 2. Whilst Ni needs more emotional support because the feeling element is higher, and because its judgment is extroverted, it simply needs to borrow more from the outside than the Ti. For this reason I am saying that Ni is less autonomous, yet more introspective than the Ti. Hence, this justifies my choice to have Ti at 2 and Ni at 3.

While I know you are discussing the descriptions provided for each picture AFTER the test was taken, I would just note again that the subject is not aware of any descriptions ahead of time. He is merely judging among a group of shapes and colors and determining which one fits "best" [and at only this moment in time].

So here we simply have a matter of whether someone feels more introspective (whereupon they pick the top right corner) or "cleaner" and supposedly more autonomous (top middle). This is what the choice is actually between, in the subject's mind, and it does nothing to really determine the strength of autonomy and the introspection... only which one feels more compelling at that moment.

That's one of the failures of the test -- because an INTP can be both autonomous AND introspective... a lot of each. There is nothing that says an INTP has to be stronger in one or the other.

My guess is that an INTP with strong Ne and/or some developed F will lean towards the "introspection" picture, while those with strong Ti in comparison to their other functions will lean more "autonomous."

SolitaryWalker
10 Apr 2007, 02:55 PM
While I know you are discussing the descriptions provided for each picture AFTER the test was taken, I would just note again that the subject is not aware of any descriptions ahead of time. He is merely judging among a group of shapes and colors and determining which one fits "best" [and at only this moment in time].

So here we simply have a matter of whether someone feels more introspective (whereupon they pick the top right corner) or "cleaner" and supposedly more autonomous (top middle). This is what the choice is actually between, in the subject's mind, and it does nothing to really determine the strength of autonomy and the introspection... only which one feels more compelling at that moment.

That's one of the failures of the test -- because an INTP can be both autonomous AND introspective... a lot of each. There is nothing that says an INTP has to be stronger in one or the other.

My guess is that an INTP with strong Ne and/or some developed F will lean towards the "introspection" picture, while those with strong Ti in comparison to their other functions will lean more "autonomous."

I'd still say that he's got to be more of one than the other...

So the INTPs Autonomy score would be 9.5 out of 10 for instance... and introspection... 9.2... both fit well the INTP is autonomous and introspective... yet more of one than the other... much like INTJs are also autonomous though more introspective than autonomous I would say..

Jennywocky
10 Apr 2007, 02:57 PM
I'd still say that he's got to be more of one than the other...

So the INTPs Autonomy score would be 9.5 out of 10 for instance... and introspection... 9.2... both fit well the INTP is autonomous and introspective... yet more of one than the other... much like INTJs are also autonomous though more introspective than autonomous I would say..

Well, I think there's too much ambiguity in a test that simply presents nine pictures and expects to be able to discern perfectly between personality types. There's too many reasons why someone might choose the 'wrong' picture. This is why most tests have many questions -- to weed out any "bad" answers.

SolitaryWalker
10 Apr 2007, 03:02 PM
Well, I think there's too much ambiguity in a test that simply presents nine pictures and expects to be able to discern perfectly between personality types. There's too many reasons why someone might choose the 'wrong' picture. This is why most tests have many questions -- to weed out any "bad" answers.


Yes, this can be largely influenced by the mindsets that we have picked up through recent experiences. An INTP who is focusing on Ne at the time more than the Ti could easily pick 9 instead of 2. And maybe even 3, depending on how much the Ni has been brought out and to what effect. Older INTPs may even pick 4, on the grounds of the Si creeping out. There is a myriad of possibilities where one could pick a picture that is not very descriptive of his temperament.

Mr.Miagi
29 Apr 2007, 09:04 PM
I picked 1, then 2. I'm satisfied with the results. Nice test.

ATPB
30 Apr 2007, 01:30 AM
I liked 9, 3 and 1 in order. The rest I didn't really pay much attention to.

Gala
30 Apr 2007, 01:47 AM
I picked three, and then six.

For the record, I don't have friends IRL, and the aqaintences I have tend to be superficial. it was just the picture that captured my mood of the moment - contentment at having got several hours of work done



You come to grips more frequently and thoroughly with yourself and your environment than do most people.

You detest superficiality. You'd rather be alone than have to suffer through small talk.

Your relationships with your friends are very strong, which gives you the inner tranquility and harmony that you require.

You do not mind being alone for extended periods of time. You are rarely bored.

Niffer
30 Apr 2007, 07:40 AM
so i'm an IXFP. wonderful.

fripping
30 Apr 2007, 07:50 AM
i picked #3 because #2 looked WAY too much like a cap and gown/diploma to someone who is struggling to finish school

demagogic_schizoid
5 May 2007, 12:05 AM
I'll hand it to Seawolf, my ISXJ father tested as what you predicted. I was sceptical that anyone would choose number 4, ut he did.

Dark Razor
5 May 2007, 12:10 AM
I picked number 7, seems like I am an ESTJ, now kneel down in front of me before I have you all publicly beheaded.

rek
5 May 2007, 12:18 AM
I definitely liked 2 the best. I also liked 4. Test seems to have worked for me.

Sierim
5 May 2007, 12:36 AM
For me it came down to 2 and 3. I finally decided I didn't like the colors in three as much as the contrast in two, so I went with the latter. Suprisingly, for a very short test, it was accurate (albeit vague) enough.

htb
8 May 2007, 03:35 AM
Four. Angular, chromatically complementary, nearly symmetrical.

...Why would anybody choose an accursed rainbow?