Practical Solutions for the non-INTP Problem

[Hustler]

I think cjs55 spoke very well in his post in the recent anti-INFP thread:


There shouldn't have to be an intp-only subforum on INTP central.

The whole damn thing should be INTP only.

I remember they made intuitive central to help with this problem. And of course, intuitive central fell apart. I didn't visit intuitive central because it was obnoxious. Kinda like this forum at this point.

Yeah, there are a few non-INTPs that are fine. However, there are more than a few people that should have been relegated to the non-intp subforum a long time ago.
Part of the reason this subforum is not more popular than it is is, of course, that there shouldn't have to be an INTP subforum on an INTP site. It's kind of silly but, at the same time, with the way the forum is now, it is nice to have a place where you can start a thread and know that a bunch of retarded non-INTPs aren't going to come ruin it. But, that said, the marginal success of this approach, of having a treehouse within a treehouse where we can find solace and escape from the cumbersome and asinine aspects of our non-INTP world shows that a more aggressive approach is needed.

I can start anti-non-INTP threads all day, and make a deluge of anti-non-INTP posts in other threads, but it gets very poor results. I've chased off maybe a handful of non-INTPs (and possibly discouraged a couple others from joining up) over the years with this approach, when the simple fact is that a lot more need to go and at a much higher rate, but that most are just not smart enough to understand that yes, I'm talking about them when I'm talking about how non-INTPs suck big huge ass around these parts. I think I can count the exceptions on one hand. So, the question for the INTPs is, how the fuck do we get rid of this plague of locusts? What measures should be taken to more aggressively beat them back and send them packing? Was N-Central the solution? Did the presence of a "legitimate" alternative to INTPc that was anchored by a postwhoring NF serve as a big factor in keeping this board comparatively idiocy-free? Yes, of course that place sucked, but some people like stuff that sucks, and like to participate in a suckfest. The INTPs who enjoy being coddled by the NFs and who want to defend them as legitimate posters could also go to such a place (and they did with N-Central; many preferred it) and get on with their own brand of sucking as well.

Let's have some ideas.

[Lurker]

A moratorium on registrations - as I've suggested before - would be a big help.

You can't clean up the place while new ones are constantly signing up.

[Hustler]

A moratorium on registrations - as I've suggested before - would be a big help.
That's not really fair to new INTPs. Should an INTP who wants to join the site really be penalized because we've let a bunch of shitty non-INTPs in here already? No, I think not. If anything, the god-awful non-INTPs should be driven from the forum to make room for the INTP newbies who want to show up, so that they'll be more easily integrated into the community that was set up for them in the first place.

[outmywindow]

My solution: 'Miserable Users' ;) It's there for a reason. I say we use it...

[Lurker]

That's not really fair to new INTPs. Should an INTP who wants to join the site really be penalized because we've let a bunch of shitty non-INTPs in here already? No, I think not. If anything, the god-awful non-INTPs should be driven from the forum to make room for the INTP newbies who want to show up, so that they'll be more easily integrated into the community that was set up for them in the first place.

Call it a housecleaning: Close up shop, clean up, and reopen in the morning. That would surely work as a strong deterrent to future non-INTPs who might want to join. It sends a message, like a public execution.

[ptGatsby]

I think the solution is obvious. Simply ban everyone that doesn't have Type:INTP in the database as of this moment. Then freeze all new signups until they can successfully answer a INTPc questionnaire. Those that failed to show their tag can reapply then - if they are INTP, there should be no problems.

After, create a private post-only forum where INTPs can name names on who they think aren't INTPs - to catch those that are trying to dupe the system. To oversee the traitors in our midst, set up a council to evaluate those that were named and ban them if they don't pass the INTP test.

At last, the INTPs will have freedom from the other types!

[Lurker]

I think the solution is obvious. Simply ban everyone that doesn't have Type:INTP in the database as of this moment. Then freeze all new signups until they can successfully answer a INTPc questionnaire. Those that failed to show their tag can reapply then - if they are INTP, there should be no problems.

After, create a private post-only forum where INTPs can name names on who they think aren't INTPs - to catch those that are trying to dupe the system. To oversee the traitors in our midst, set up a council to evaluate those that were named and ban them if they don't pass the INTP test.

At last, the INTPs will have freedom from the other types!

Follow the Nazi model!


(It's tongue-in-cheek, people. Obviously, there are some non-INTPs who are an integral part of this place)

[ptGatsby]

Follow the Nazi model!

It's tongue-in-cheek, people.

Not by me it isn’t. It's a direct actionable solution to the problem.

I feel it is the only way to get back to the root of being an INTP: complete isolation, no diverging ideologies and community via ostracizing those different than us. We need to feel at home and these people are intruding. Obviously the solution is to kick them out. I’m just surprised no one has the guts to do what is needed.

[Jennywocky]

Follow the Nazi model!
It's tongue-in-cheek, people.

Right there's your INTP test:

Anyone who took Gatsby's post as a serious suggestion should be banned and quartered immediately, while everyone else is allowed to stay.

(Of course, that might come across as being a nazi... so now we've got an interesting cycle of contradiction. Fascinating.)

[563 740]

Yes! Let the NFnic Cleansing begin.

Or should we call it The INTnal Solution? I can't decide which sounds better.

:rolleyes2:

[Rajah]

Just throwing ideas out...

Confining new registrants to either INTP-only subforum or non-INTP Vomitorium (maybe combine these into a n00b subforum) for a prescribed period of time or til a certain post count is reached? Vote among either mods/admins or general populace for who is given free posting access to other areas of the board?

[Prothero]

Areas where only INTPs can post, that cannot be seen by others, would be a nice touch, except that it brings up the likelihood of problems. One is that non-INTPs of the future could simply claim to be INTPs. Related to that is the occasional claim that an INTP on here is really some other combination of letters; a forum seems to bring out some of these aspects in us at times (look, I can almost touch my F, and I certainly express a bit of J.)
Who would set the standard of how an INTP is judged to be genuine, and who would have the power to omit them because they didn't obey some unwritten law of what it means to be, INTP?

There's an area on here where I believe I have to be an INTP, with at least 250 posts, and it holds no special interest. One reason is because it can be viewed by anyone, and that allows others to start commentary threads in other areas as a response (so they effectively are posting in the INTP only area.)
Another irritation was that magic 250. Either I'm an INTP, or I'm not. I may not have earned my place in the realm, but I do have the years of coping behind me and know what it is to be as we are.
We have to live with other types in every aspect of our lives. It's a shame we have to do so here, too (seeing as there is no private area to escape.)

Still, there is no way I can think of that would allow INTPc to determine who is an INTP. At least the current forum allows everyone to be honest about their type.

[Lurker]

Not by me it isn?t. It's a direct actionable solution to the problem.

I feel it is the only way to get back to the root of being an INTP: complete isolation, no diverging ideologies and community via ostracizing those different than us. We need to feel at home and these people are intruding. Obviously the solution is to kick them out. I?m just surprised no one has the guts to do what is needed.

You have to consider posters like Ivy, meshou, carebear, et al. Of course, you probably are thinking of them already. A double standard would have to be applied.

(It was somewhat tongue-in-cheek for me. Kinda.)

[Hustler]

Call it a housecleaning: Close up shop, clean up, and reopen in the morning. That would surely work as a strong deterrent to future non-INTPs who might want to join. It sends a message, like a public execution.


I think the solution is obvious. Simply ban everyone that doesn't have Type:INTP in the database as of this moment. Then freeze all new signups until they can successfully answer a INTPc questionnaire. Those that failed to show their tag can reapply then - if they are INTP, there should be no problems.

After, create a private post-only forum where INTPs can name names on who they think aren't INTPs - to catch those that are trying to dupe the system. To oversee the traitors in our midst, set up a council to evaluate those that were named and ban them if they don't pass the INTP test.

At last, the INTPs will have freedom from the other types!

Okay, I definitely see the merit of this approach. I think, however, that a lot of the sneakier non-INTPs will just start claiming to be INTPs, so they can still come here to "learn about us." Hasn't Brendan, for example, already tried that shit? Sure, we will still be able to weed them out, but that takes time and effort, and a lot would slip through the cracks for a while before they were eradicated.

I wanted to take the approach of making them actually dislike INTPc or giving them somewhere else to go that they liked better to actually take care of the problem without resorting to outright persecution, though I guess there is a time and place for persecution, and that time might be now and that place might be INTPc.

I should say, too, that I don't mind having them lurk. The ones who really are genuine about saying they want to come here to learn about us are the ones who interject the least with their unwanted nonsense. Perhaps we should start by rounding up and executing the most vocal ones, because those are the ones who impose the most. We could take the 20 most active non-INTP posters and have a vote, here in the INTP-only sub, where we have 5 of them banned forever. Maybe that would be as effective as a mass execution.

[Hustler]

Confining new registrants to either INTP-only subforum or non-INTP Vomitorium (maybe combine these into a n00b subforum) for a prescribed period of time or til a certain post count is reached? Vote among either mods/admins or general populace for who is given free posting access to other areas of the board?
I wouldn't want to confine INTP n00bs, but I can definitely see the merits of confining the non-INTP n00bs to the Vomitorium.

[Rajah]

I wouldn't want to confine INTP n00bs, but I can definitely see the merits of confining the non-INTP n00bs to the Vomitorium.
The reason I said the former is to address the issue you raised of people typing themselves as INTPs for giggles.

[ptGatsby]

You have to consider posters like Ivy, meshou, carebear, et al. Of course, you probably are thinking of them already. A double standard would have to be applied.

(It was somewhat tongue-in-cheek for me. Kinda.)

Why a double standard? I believe in single policies. However, if we need to weaken our stance to make it more... acceptable - hah! INTPs sure are weak - then a council to appeal and judge if non-INTPs should be allowed to stay.



I wanted to take the approach of making them actually dislike INTPc or giving them somewhere else to go that they liked better to actually take care of the problem without resorting to outright persecution, though I guess there is a time and place for persecution, and that time might be now and that place might be INTPc.


Those that would stay would be those that can't integrate into their own world. You would keep the good and the bad... though maybe the ugly would leave. Some.

Granted, it may be possible to up the persecution in order to drive them away. I mean, they are all soft, right? Just hound them. Send nasty PMs. Call them out on the board. Create threads where we tell them we don't want them, don't like them, and they should go elsewhere. Call them nasty names.

I can't say it has worked that well yet, mind you... but it could be a way to mitigate.



I should say, too, that I don't mind having them lurk. The ones who really are genuine about saying they want to come here to learn about us are the ones who interject the least with their unwanted nonsense. Perhaps we should start by rounding up and executing the most vocal ones, because those are the ones who impose the most. We could take the 20 most active non-INTP posters and have a vote, here in the INTP-only sub, where we have 5 of them banned forever. Maybe that would be as effective as a mass execution.


The idea has merit. Sometimes small public examples can be even more effective, since we won't impact a large number of threads all at once. Good solution.

As far as lurking, instead of banning, posting rights could be revoked.

[Lurker]

Why a double standard? I believe in single policies. However, if we need to weaken our stance to make it more... acceptable - hah! INTPs sure are weak - then a council to appeal and judge if non-INTPs should be allowed to stay.

A blanket policy would only hurt INTPc, plus it would be unfair. (Again: Ivy, meshou, VoR, carebear, nottaprettygal, etc, etc) The council idea is a good one. Each existing case should be evaluated on an individual basis.

[Hustler]

The idea has merit. Sometimes small public examples can be even more effective, since we won't impact a large number of threads all at once. Good solution.

As far as lurking, instead of banning, posting rights could be revoked.
These are the names that would go on the poll for banning:

Nemesis/Brendan
meshou
eyebyte_atWork
CreativeChaos
songbird34
Dom
cafe
zeitgeist
nottaprettygal
distraction tactics
melancholeric
architectonic
Eileen
digesthisickness
Shimpei
shum
Heleuiski
philonightmare
venerationOfrabbits
Toonia

You will notice two things. First, Ivy is not on the list. A vote was taken in the past, and she has received the title of honorary INTP and, as such, is exempt from such anti-non-INTP countermeasures. Second, you will notice that zeitgeist is on the list, despite having INTP in his profile. He is clearly not an INTP, and for most of his time on the forum, he has waffled between any number of types, and I suspect that he has INTP there just so he can post in this subforum, so he's on the fucking list. Now, we could have a poll and vote five of them off the site. That sounds pretty good to me. Shall I start the poll?

[Jennywocky]

You missed Targo... or was that purposeful?

[Hustler]

A blanket policy would only hurt INTPc, plus it would be unfair. (Again: Ivy, meshou, VoR, carebear, nottaprettygal, etc, etc) The council idea is a good one. Each existing case should be evaluated on an individual basis.
We shouldn't be forced to conform to notions of councils and decision-making just because non-INTPs have polluted our board. It isn't our way to forum tribunals and shit. It's hard enough having a madmin staff to just do day to day shit and make decisions on obvious trolls. Blanket policies are easier, or polls open to the whole populace.

[Hustler]

You missed Targo... or was that purposeful?
She's not one of the 20 most prolific non-INTP posters. You could double check my list, though, because I may have overlooked someone.

[Lurker]

We shouldn't be forced to conform to notions of councils and decision-making just because non-INTPs have polluted our board. It isn't our way to forum tribunals and shit. It's hard enough having a madmin staff to just do day to day shit and make decisions on obvious trolls. Blanket policies are easier, or polls open to the whole populace.

Anonymous polls open to the populace, yes. I disagree with the rest of your post.

[ptGatsby]

Shall I start the poll?

I would personally poll the INTPs on the poll itself - take suggestions for more names, and get feedback on how many should get booted. But I'm far more laid back, so... it's in the hands of the admins. They are the ones that make things happen!

re: feedback - It's also quality, not just prolific posters, afterall.

[Hustler]

The reason I said the former is to address the issue you raised of people typing themselves as INTPs for giggles.
Yes, and that is a valid concern. I want to err on the side of acceptance, though, when it comes to INTP n00bs. Most of the n00bs who claim to be INTP will be INTP, so I'd rather not punish them all on account of the evil, interloping non-INTPs who want to lie and say they're INTPs.

[HilbertSpace]

I think the nature and the purpose of Purgatory fills the role needed to address the problem. Restrict individuals to there on a case by case basis, but be ready to pull the trigger faster than would otherwise be the case, specifically for non-INTP like disruptions. I think that this would get the message across, and would result in people leaving, or at least in people who were more-or-less permanently restricted in posting ability. At the same time, it leaves open a sort of Red Light district for people in the mood for that sort of thing.

The results of the poll, if that's what is done, could simply be to restrict people to there (and perhaps the Pound as well). In any case, it's going to have to be an ongoing process, but that's true for outright banning as well.

[Hustler]

These are the names that would go on the poll for banning:

Nemesis/Brendan
meshou
eyebyte_atWork
CreativeChaos
songbird34
Dom
cafe
zeitgeist
nottaprettygal
distraction tactics
melancholeric
architectonic
Eileen
digesthisickness
Shimpei
shum
FranG
Heleuiski
philonightmare
venerationOfrabbits
Toonia
Hold the phone! FranG is now an INTJ? He's on the list. Anyone who wants to help out, please verify that this list is accurate in being the 20 most prolific non-INTP posters. Thanks.

[Hustler]

I think the nature and the purpose of Purgatory fills the role needed to address the problem. Restrict individuals to there on a case by case basis, but be ready to pull the trigger faster than would otherwise be the case, specifically for non-INTP like disruptions. I think that this would get the message across, and would result in people leaving, or at least in people who were more-or-less permanently restricted in posting ability. At the same time, it leaves open a sort of Red Light district for people in the mood for that sort of thing.

The results of the poll, if that's what is done, could simply be to restrict people to there (and perhaps the Pound as well). In any case, it's going to have to be an ongoing process, but that's true for outright banning as well.
Excellent input, HilbertSpace. Haight did say you were smart, and I think that is showing through right about now.

[Ka.avik]

no, no, no, no....

bring back N-Cen

when iNtuitiveCentral was lively, we had it pretty good over here. Yes there were a lot of non INTPs but they behaved themselves nicely because if they felt stepped on they went back to somewhere where they could cry more effectively.

That way you keep the diversity of personality types, and still do great things for the percieved purity of this place. Like the Y letting teenagers play basketball so they're not on drugs. It doesn't make any sense but it still works.


works well enough anyway.


NO, I'm not volunteering to own/operate the forum. I'm just saying it would work

[Hustler]

bring back N-Cen
Okay, I'm on board with that. Thanks in adv...wait a minute!



NO, I'm not volunteering to own/operate the forum. I'm just saying it would work
So you're not volunteering to help out, eh? Do we have anyone who wants to pitch in? Are there any traitorous self-sacrificing INTPs among you who would actually want to participate in setting up and running an N-Central replacement? We can't actually put the NFs in charge completely, because they're incompetent, so the leadership would have to have some INTPs as well who are total sellouts willing to take one for the team.

[Lurker]

no, no, no, no....

bring back N-Cen

when iNtuitiveCentral was lively, we had it pretty good over here. Yes there were a lot of non INTPs but they behaved themselves nicely because if they felt stepped on they went back to somewhere where they could cry more effectively.

That way you keep the diversity of personality types, and still do great things for the percieved purity of this place. Like the Y letting teenagers play basketball so they're not on drugs. It doesn't make any sense but it still works.


works well enough anyway.


NO, I'm not volunteering to own/operate the forum. I'm just saying it would work

Yeah, but they aren't taking advantage of other all type forums (which boils down to mostly Ns) right now.

[ptGatsby]

some INTPs as well who are total sellouts willing to take one for the team.

Just to clarify, what exactly would be required? I'm not even sure why the last one died!

[Hustler]

Yeah, but they aren't taking advantage of other all type forums (which boils down to mostly Ns) right now.
Because said forums are/were set up wrong and not administered in the right way to really capture their attention and make them want to participate. Those forums were set up for other reasons, reasons which don't align entirely with the impetus behind a true N-Central replacement. N-Central worked for as long as it was able to stand amidst its own suckiness, so it stands to reason that an even more effective replacement could be created, now that we have the power of hindsight to help us avoid some of the mistakes that plagued it (and the other would-be N-Central replacements).

[Lurker]

Heh, you better just delegate the responsibility for the new and improved N Central, otherwise it won't happen.

[Hustler]

Just to clarify, what exactly would be required? I'm not even sure why the last one died!
It collapsed under the weight of its own suck. That and maybe a personality conflict between its INTP and INFP overlords. If we had one of the milk-and-water NF-lovers from around here take charge of the replacement, maybe things would work out better this time around.

[Hustler]

Heh, you better just delegate the responsibility for the new and improved N Central, otherwise it won't happen.
If it doesn't, we at least have the attack on the execution front still going strong. But, I think there have to be a few people who want to step up to spearhead this thing. They can even just PM me if they don't want to shame themselves in this thread and, also, so can the non-INTPs who are reading this thread but are (rightly) unable to post in it (thank god).

[Hustler]

Seeing as how the title of this thread asks us for practical solutions, I figured I'd go ahead and modify the Death List. You see, there's really no point in banning people who haven't posted in a long time. As such, I'm removing all names of people who haven't posted in over four months and including the next people down on the list. Here is what it looks like now:


Nemesis/Brendan
meshou
eyebyte_atWork
CreativeChaos
songbird34
Dom
cafe
zeitgeist
nottaprettygal
distraction tactics
melancholeric
architectonic
Eileen
digesthisickness
Shimpei
shum
FranG
Heleuiski
philonightmare
venerationOfrabbits
Toonia
ohnoaninfp
Carebear

The procedure would be a checkbox poll, where the five top vote-getters would be slated for permanent banning or, going with HilbertSpace's proposed modification, permanent sentencing to Purgatory and the Vomitorium. I also envision a fun way to continue this process by having gladitorial games in the case of the confinement plan, whereby the condemned can challenge other non-INTPs (with at least, say, 200 posts) every six months in a member wars poll and, if successful, can liberate themselves, with the loser being forced into confinement. If the challenger fails to win, he or she is banned.

See, that would be fun.

[s0978]

It collapsed under the weight of its own suck. That and maybe a personality conflict between its INTP and INFP overlords. If we had one of the milk-and-water NF-lovers from around here take charge of the replacement, maybe things would work out better this time around.

In all seriousness, I don't know the details, but it has seemed emo squabbles have been much of the prob, and I think it takes cooler heads to run a board as well as a memberbase who can sustain a level of dialogue such that it doesn't degenerate into pure chit chat.

I hope we do get some volunteers to resuscitate MBTI Central.

[ApeTheDog]

Membership levels.

Level 0: Candidate. Can post in all the normal forums.
Level 1: Member. Has to be invited by somebody in level 2 to join level 1. These can be non-INTP's. Can post anywhere.
Level 2: Elite. Has to be INTP. Can post in several secret, invisible forums. Has to have been a 'member' for half a year, and must be accepted through voting by 51% of all the others through voting on a poll.

All registrants start at level 0.

Eh... this is just an idea off the top of my head. I have doubts about the practicality of the procedures for shifting people from one level to the other.

[Stoned_Rider]

Adoption! Let's make it happen:

- All non-INTPs to be confined to the Vomitorium.
- INTPs (with more than 1,000 posts for instance) will have the chance to officially adopt a non-INTP thus granting them access to the rest of the forum.
- Should the non-INTP adoptee start crapping all over the place, their INTP adopter will be held responsible and appropriate action will be then taken.

[Rhu]

distraction_tactics (http://forums.intpcentral.com/showpost.php?p=254916&postcount=27)

[Hustler]

distraction_tactics (http://forums.intpcentral.com/showpost.php?p=254916&postcount=27)
He received a nomination, but he was never voted in as an honorary INTP. Ivy was. As such, I don't think he gets a pass. If it were up to me personally, I'd give him a pass, but that's just me.

[Rhu]

There's an actual vote?

[Hustler]

Adoption! Let's make it happen:

- All non-INTPs to be confined to the Vomitorium.
- INTPs (with more than 1,000 posts for instance) will have the chance to officially adopt a non-INTP thus granting them access to the rest of the forum.
- Should the non-INTP adoptee start crapping all over the place, their INTP adopter will be held responsible and appropriate action will be then taken.
I'm afraid that's not practical. It takes a monumental effort to oust someone, but it would only take one person liking an otherwise universally-despised person to adopt him and get him instated in the forum proper.

[Hustler]

There's an actual vote?
There never was for him. Only Ivy. If people would rather see distraction tactics stricken from the list, and AMDG (the next one down) added, that's fine by me. Besides which, distraction tactics has posted once in the last four months, so it's not really practical to get rid of him either. You can go ahead and modify the list if you want.

[ajblaise]

I'm liking some of these suggestions, but I can't see that many people wanting to vote off many of the long time non-INTP posters. But a public execution thread would be exciting.

Also, how about a giant disclaimer that people have to read before they register? Saying that people can expect rudeness, hostility, verbal abuse, and the like?

[Stoned_Rider]

I'm afraid that's not practical. It takes a monumental effort to oust someone, but it would only take one person liking an otherwise universally-despised person to adopt him and get him instated in the forum proper.
Then the non-INTP could get adopted by the INTP community as a whole, rather than the individual. There could be some sort of periodic poll, etc.. to determine who gets in.
Or, we stick to individual adoptions, but each case would have to get INTP approval first via a poll.


The procedure would be a checkbox poll, where the five top vote-getters would be slated for permanent banning or, going with HilbertSpace's proposed modification, permanent sentencing to Purgatory and the Vomitorium. I also envision a fun way to continue this process by having gladitorial games in the case of the confinement plan, whereby the condemned can challenge other non-INTPs (with at least, say, 200 posts) every six months in a member wars poll and, if successful, can liberate themselves, with the loser being forced into confinement. If the challenger fails to win, he or she is banned.
Fun, but wouldn't you rather have it the other way round i.e. we vote on who gets in rather than who gets out?

[Randomnity]

Logically, the simplest solution would be for the INTPs who object to non-INTPs to leave the forum. This requires the least effort by far.

[Hustler]

I'm liking some of these suggestions, but I can't see that many people wanting to vote off many of the long time non-INTP posters. But a public execution thread would be exciting.
They had better vote, or else the posters they do like risk getting ousted. It's best for everyone to vote and to vote for the people they'd most like to see go. Wouldn't it suck if your favorite person on that list got the boot because you didn't throw some votes down on other people?


Also, how about a giant disclaimer that people have to read before they register? Saying that people can expect rudeness, hostility, verbal abuse, and the like?
I thought that was implicit in the name, "INTP Central."

[ptGatsby]

Logically, the simplest solution would be for the INTPs who object to non-INTPs to leave the forum. This requires the least effort by far.

And let the Non-INTPs run the INTPs off a INTP board! Ridiculous!

It's not like non-INTPs contribute much anyway. The loss of even one INTP is more than this board could handle.

[ajblaise]

Logically, the simplest solution would be for the INTPs who object to non-INTPs to leave the forum.

Thus weakening the forum.

[Zero Angel]

And how do you deal with the INTP's that you just dont like? Is a community 'INTP' pest worth removing access for, or does he get rights based on his reported personality type alone?

[Lurker]

And let the Non-INTPs run the INTPs off a INTP board! Ridiculous!

Yeah, really. That's insane! It's a frigging INTP forum!

[Hustler]

Fun, but wouldn't you rather have it the other way round i.e. we vote on who gets in rather than who gets out?
Totally valid. We confine all non-INTPs to specific forums (Vomitorium and Purgatory) and vote in, say, 10 to represent them on the forum proper. Not a bad idea. We'd still have to restrict the vote to the 20 most prolific posters, though, what with the poll restrictions. Remember, it has to be practical, and trying to orchestrate some large-scale vote on all members wouldn't be such. Then we could have periodic votes, say every six months, where the 10 unrestricted non-INTPs and 10 others from the ranks of the restricted non-INTPs are put up for a vote and, again, the 10 who receive the most votes are in. The polls would always be held in the INTP-only forum so as to keep non-INTPs from having a voice in it.

That is a decent alternative, albeit slightly more involved (less practical) but perhaps more effective overall.

[ajblaise]

What if there are other INTP's on the forum that we just don't like. Can any special fate rest for them?

[Lurker]

Ok, when does the voting start? I'm impatient.

*taps foot*

[Hustler]

Logically, the simplest solution would be for the INTPs who object to non-INTPs to leave the forum. This requires the least effort by far.
How is that logical? Just curious. You seem to be missing the whole point: to make a better forum. Having a mass exodus of INTPs who don't enjoy the presence of non-INTPs is not conducive to making a better forum; it would only lead to suckage. Seriously, I appeciate your effort and all, but try to come up with some good ideas.

[Lurker]

Another thing: If you can make someone an honorary INTP, shouldn't some INTPs be stripped of their INTPness?

Like maybe, Dempsey?

[Randomnity]

And let the Non-INTPs run the INTPs off a INTP board! Ridiculous!

It's not like non-INTPs contribute much anyway. The loss of even one INTP is more than this board could handle.
You know, I never thought of it that way. You're absolutely right. Why, I don't know where this forum would be without I'mthereforme (http://forums.intpcentral.com/member.php?u=3706), for instance. I dread the day when he leaves us.

[Hustler]

Ok, when does the voting start? I'm impatient.

*taps foot*
What do you think? Restrict all non-INTPs and vote 10 in, or just leave things as is but vote 5 out? I think the former might be the more effective solution, but it could be that the latter is, in that it is (a) fun and (b) sends a very clear message that even an idiot NF can understand.*

EDIT: I'd also like to point out that (b) is a lot easier logistically, so that's why I tend to favor it over (a).

*I hope I'm not giving them too much credit.

[Hustler]

Another thing: If you can make someone an honorary INTP, shouldn't some INTPs be stripped of their INTPness?

Like maybe, Dempsey?

Meh, he's banned anyway. That's the closest we can come to de-INTPing them.

[Randomnity]

How is that logical? Just curious. You seem to be missing the whole point: to make a better forum. Having a mass exodus of INTPs who don't enjoy the presence of non-INTPs is not conducive to making a better forum; it would only lead to suckage. Seriously, I appeciate your effort and all, but try to come up with some good ideas.

Alternatively, start banning people at random. That way, you're bound to cause just as much controversy and get rid of as many annoying posters, but it has the added bonus of taking out some of the INTP fakers who would be missed by the other methods.

[Stoned_Rider]

Then we could have periodic votes, say every six months, where the 10 unrestricted non-INTPs and 10 others from the ranks of the restricted non-INTPs are put up for a vote and, again, the 10 who receive the most votes are in.
That's a wonderful idea. I'd go for three months instead of six, but that can be determined later of course. As for the initial vote, yeah, it would have to be the 20 most prolific non-INTPs. Far from perfect, I know, but it will ensure that we have the best non-INTPs around at all times (in addition to our honorary INTP).

[ptGatsby]

You know, I never thought of it that way. You're absolutely right. Why, I don't know where this forum would be without I'mthereforme (http://forums.intpcentral.com/member.php?u=3706), for instance. I dread the day when he leaves us.

Well, maybe he'd post more if there were less non-INTPs around! If anything, he's evidence for INTP oppression on these boards.

[Hustler]

Alternatively, start banning people at random. That way, you're bound to cause just as much controversy and get rid of as many annoying posters, but it has the added bonus of taking out some of the INTP fakers who would be missed by the other methods.
The fakers reveal themselves eventually. It's readily apparent when someone isn't Ti Ne Si Fe (or close enough to that) if they post enough. Like Seawolf, who is so obviously Ni, or FranG who is so obviously who knows what but not Ti Ne Si Fe. If they manage to stay under the radar by not posting enough to give us good data, then so be it; the problem is already solved.

Random bannings isn't what this thread is about, and it wouldn't really accomplish anything productive. Reducing the non-INTP presence is what this thread is about and would be productive.

[ajblaise]

What if there are other INTP's on the forum that we just don't like. Can any special fate rest for them?

eh?

[Hustler]

eh?
Please consider the title of this thread. To answer your question, though, a number of them get banned. The others just go around being unliked. Big deal.

[Randomnity]

Random bannings isn't what this thread is about, and it wouldn't really accomplish anything productive. Reducing the non-INTP presence is what this thread is about and would be productive.

I maintain that the easiest and most effective way to reduce unwanted non-INTP presence is to stop visiting the forum. There are also other simple options such as blinding yourself (to stop being haunted by the images of their foul posts) or putting them on ignore (serves the same purpose but slightly less painful), or posting only in the massive Pness forum, or drinking/drugging yourself until you don't give a shit about anything anymore (the best option yet, in my opinion).

[ajblaise]

let me be the first to suggest that the judgment poll be made public.

[Hustler]

I maintain that the easiest and most effective way to reduce unwanted non-INTP presence is to stop visiting the forum. There are also other simple options such as blinding yourself (to stop being haunted by the images of their foul posts) or putting them on ignore (serves the same purpose but slightly less painful), or posting only in the massive Pness forum, or drinking/drugging yourself until you don't give a shit about anything anymore (the best option yet, in my opinion).
I maintain that your input is useless.

[Hustler]

let me be the first to suggest that the judgment poll be made public.
I think a lot of people wouldn't vote in it if it were. INTPs are private and don't always want to broadcast their opinions about other people. I often make the case for public polls for most things, but for this one, I'd rather have everyone feel able to vote without facing any antagonism or repercussions for their votes later.

[Lurker]

What do you think? Restrict all non-INTPs and vote 10 in, or just leave things as is but vote 5 out? I think the former might be the more effective solution, but it could be that the latter is, in that it is (a) fun and (b) sends a very clear message that even an idiot NF can understand.*

EDIT: I'd also like to point out that (b) is a lot easier logistically, so that's why I tend to favor it over (a).

*I hope I'm not giving them too much credit.

You could combine the two. I favor the first idea, too, but perhaps there are certain non-INTPs who should be voted out? If that's a no-go, then restricting all non-INTPs and voting ten in is the best solution.

I have to say that we don't want to encapsulate an N Central within INTPc, though.

[Hustler]

I have to say that we don't want to encapsulate an N Central within INTPc, though.
As long as it is contained, confined, and easily ignored, then I don't have a problem with it at all. The Vomitorium could become the new N-Central.

[hereandnow]

What's the timeframe for voting? Since expulsion is the verdict it follows a reasonable amount of time should be given for members to vote.

Further, if someone publicly declares they'll leave before they are expelled will another name be brought up for the vote to replace the martyr?

[outmywindow]

Songbird is already temp banned, thus taking up a valuable space on Hustler's list. I say we strike her from the vote, move the next person in line up onto the list, and deal with her when she shows up again.

[Hustler]

Songbird is already temp banned, thus taking up a valuable space on Hustler's list. I say we strike her from the vote, move the next person in line up onto the list, and deal with her when she shows up again.
If the sentence for being voted out is something along the lines of restriction to Purgatory/the Vomitorium, then I'm all in favor of that. If it's more drastic, like a permanent ban, then leave her on. It's probably leaning toward the former, so taking her off isn't so bad. When we add in her replacement, we could skip AMDG and go to Seawolf399. I would be in favor of that.

[hereandnow]

Songbird is already temp banned, thus taking up a valuable space on Hustler's list. I say we strike her from the vote, move the next person in line up onto the list, and deal with her when she shows up again.

Seconded.

The inevitable emotional resignation will occur. If so, why not ban them but not count it against the 20.

[outmywindow]

...When we add in her replacement, we could skip AMDG and go to Seawolf399. I would be in favor of that.

:highfive:

[hereandnow]

Here's an idea. Fuck it.

[Hustler]

Here's an idea. Fuck it.
That's what we've been doing for a while now. It is definitely practical, but there's the question as to whether it's a solution to the infestation problem we have here.

[Madrigal]

The solution is quite simple, guys.

1) Let the non-INTPs post wherever they like, as much as they like.

2) Strictly prohibit any quoting of non-INTP posts on all threads. Also prohibit INTPs from addressing them in threads. Mods can be in charge of this, which includes discerning whether any poster is attempting to address/adopt/elaborate on any non-INTP post without being upfront about it. Penalties for breaking the rule can range from purgatory time to temp and permanent banning. This can be at the discretion of whichever mod handles each case.

3) Install a feature making non-INTP posts invisible except for those who wish to see them.

Results:

1) Non-INTPs can be seen and heard only by those who care to see and hear them.

2) INTPs who want to converse with them are penalized (so we get discipline or erradicate the sucky INTPs as well).

3) Non-INTPs cannot influence the course of any discussion.

[ApeTheDog]

Give them their own forum, with their own moderators - admins still control the whole board. Let them figure out what to do with their own place - what categories to add, if they want to have a purgatory, etc, etc... we just don't interfere.

They'll probably like posting there more than they do on our forii, and will only interject in a thread if they have something to add. They can do all their socialising there.

I oppose segregation and banning people based on their type.

[Hustler]

The solution is quite simple, guys.
Okay, but that's not actually simple. That requires coding and also a lot of enforcement by the moderators (who, incidentally, will still be subjected to seeing the non-INTP nonsense... is that really fair to them?). In short, it's not practical. It's a good solution in theory, but it's not something we are actually going to be able to pull off in practice.

[Hustler]

Give them their own forum, with their own moderators - admins still control the whole board. Let them figure out what to do with their own place - what categories to add, if they want to have a purgatory, etc, etc... we just don't interfere.

They'll probably like posting there more than they do on our forii, and will only interject in a thread if they have something to add. They can do all their socialising there.

I oppose segregation and banning people based on their type.
So, like set up a new forum external to this one, just like N-Central was? Or turn the Vomitorium into a complete forum of its own, where the non-INTPs call the shots? Because, you see, in the latter case, they definitely won't like posting there more, because they like to leech off of us. That's why they're here. It's not to learn about us, it's to leech off of us, and hope that we come along and intellectually validate their rubbish which, sadly, many of us do.

[hereandnow]

The solution is quite simple, guys.

1) Let the non-INTPs post wherever they like, as much as they like.

2) Strictly prohibit any quoting of non-INTP posts on all threads. Also prohibit INTPs from addressing them in threads. Mods can be in charge of this, which includes discerning whether any poster is attempting to address/adopt/elaborate on any non-INTP post without being upfront about it. Penalties for breaking the rule can range from purgatory time to temp and permanent banning. This can be at the discretion of whichever mod handles each case.

3) Install a feature making non-INTP posts invisible except for those who wish to see them.

Results:

1) Non-INTPs can be seen and heard only by those who care to see and hear them.

2) INTPs who want to converse with them are penalized (so we get discipline or erradicate the sucky INTPs as well).

3) Non-INTPs cannot influence the course of any discussion.

We should also check luggage.

It provoked discussion and more than a few people wet their pants. It created the requisite drama. Fuck it. We'll all be bored in an hour.

[ApeTheDog]

then we ruthlessly restrict those people to their own forum. If they don't treat our place with respect, they have to leave.

I'd keep it on this forum so people can post on both of them with the same username/avatar.

[cjs55]

We don't really need to ban these people. Simply confining them to the non-INTP central forum is good enough.

I am fine with segregation by type. If obnoxious is a type. And I hate to say it, but Most non-INTPs around here are obnoxious.


For those that feel this is ridiculous, let me try to convince you otherwise:


I think there is a clarification that needs to be made here. There may be posters here we just don't like. But there is a difference between not liking someone, and a poster totally fucking with the very dynamic of the forum by not understanding it's spirit of conversation. You can have a difference of opinion, or even a true hatred of someone, and still be fine with them being on the forum. But non-INTPs usually just can't get it. They simply don't understand the Discourse, to go all Foucalt on your asses.

So, even if they are reasonable, cool, fun, interesting human beings, they still Don't Belong.

I'm not here for MBTI-central. Nor N-Central. I'm here to converse with people that I can actually relate with for a change. If this place becomes MBTI-central, then why the fuck do I come here? I interact with all the different types ALL THE TIME. And I hate to say it, but talking about MBTI all day is boring as hell (cough seawolf). I come here because it's atypical of all the rest of interaction in life. I come here because I want that atypicality. And because I can say shit like Atypicality.

I come here to not have to compromise for a change. I can just actually think and write and just be. I don't have to translate, worry about offending, be on pins and needles, etc. I don't have to deal with the bullshit. At least, I don't want to.


To finish: Members that actively interrupt the discourse of this site need to be relegated to the non-INTP forum. It's not about weeding out all non-INTPs, it's about preserving what I like about this forum (of course my interest in this is entirely selfish...but I feel like some of you likely are in a similar state of mind).



Solution: Honestly, draconian action from above is fine as long as a reasonable INTP is in charge. It won't be something as drastic as putting all non-INTPs in purgatory or the non-INTP subforum only.

I think the vote is a good idea. I think the people that are a problem are obvious at this point. I don't think there will be too much gnashing of teeth regarding the issue, and the voting will be fairly unanimous.


N-Central would be nice, but who the hell is going to make/run it? Besides, we need to turn INTP central back into INTP central again before there will be any motivation for it. As of right now, this forum is basically 'Forum for people who know what MBTI is to talk about shit'. Pretty much covers N-Central.


For those that say they are INTP, but where there is question about the truth of that:

It's not about questioning just type. It's about the impact the person is having on the forum. If the majority of INTPs find that this person is interrupting the normal discourse of the forum, they need to be sent to purgatory, or the non-INTP forum, regardless of if they are a totally atypical INTP, a troll, or not an INTP at all (the three possible conditions for this fuck up).

[Madrigal]

Okay, but that's not actually simple. That requires coding and also a lot of enforcement by the moderators (who, incidentally, will still be subjected to seeing the non-INTP nonsense... is that really fair to them?). In short, it's not practical. It's a good solution in theory, but it's not something we are actually going to be able to pull off in practice.

It doesn't require so much enforcement. It will quickly become the status quo on the Board and only a few enrages might try to cross the line. We can happily purge them and make the cleansing complete. Only the beginning will take some work, but it'll all be for the sake of a positive outcome for all. Sort of like how Che said that war is tomorrow's peace. We could encourage regular posters to report any quoting. Mods will hardly have to read everything when the entire Board has got its eyes peeled.

Coding and making non-INTP posts invisible isn't all that necessary when barriers have been effectively installed in the mind of each INTP member. I just threw that in as a plus.

The solution is so simple and effective, you might just be too scared to try it. Is it just too confrontational, better to restrict them all to one sub? Dunno. I say let them contribute, they'll never be able to say they didn't have the chance.

[Hustler]

Coding and making non-INTP posts invisible isn't all that necessary when barriers have been effectively installed in the mind of each INTP member. I just threw that in as a plus.
Yeah? That's even more impractical.

[Ka.avik]

no actually, it's more practical.

In large cities, we learn to ignore the crazies. There's just too many of them, and so all those people on the interstate offramp with their cup out, asking for you to keep them in liquor because they don't have a job -- sure if you were to argue with them that keeping a job is the way everyone else does it and they'll go all emo on you about how no one cares and every one is out to get them, etc ...

I hate to say this place is going from small town to medium city, but I think we just need to learn about socioeconomic circles, and how to operate the ignore-lists a little more freely.

Well or in this case type-circles. You've got your rarefied-atmosphere logic users, like demogogic_schizoid, and your slummers like brendan, and the people who reach out to them -- I guess that would be anyone who discourses with brendan on one of his threads. Then you've got people like Ivy & Cafe, who aren't quite where you're at, but they make nice neighbors. As Meshou might say, they're low-BS.

[Hustler]

Alright, Practical Solution #1 is underway, but it doesn't completely solve the problem (obviously). Perhaps the Non-Death List twist on the Death List by Stoned_Rider will have to be considered but, in the meantime, what can we do about the likes of theassofhumanity and alienclock. They represent very well the problem at hand, and they need to be dealt with before they tardify the forum too much.

Ideas?

[Lurker]

Ban.

[Hustler]

Ban.
That has the ring of practicality to it. You sure you don't want to try and recruit them to your site? I'd appreciate it if you did.

[Lurker]

That has the ring of practicality to it. You sure you don't want to try and recruit them to your site? I'd appreciate it if you did.

You can go straight to hell.

[ApeTheDog]

Yes, ban them. They show no respect for what we have.

[Hustler]

You can go straight to hell.
If you take them, you can also have your pick of any two NFs as well.

[Lurker]

If you take them, you can also have your pick of any two NFs as well.

I could always kill them off once they arrive.

Ok. I'll take Ivy and meshou and hold them captive.

[Hustler]

Ok. I'll take Ivy and meshou and hold them captive.
Sorry, they're not NFs. They're [honorary] INTP and INXP respectively. Choose again, and please choose Brendan and someone else as the two.

[Lurker]

Sorry, they're not NFs. They're [honorary] INTP and INXP respectively. Choose again, and please choose Brendan and someone else as the two.

They're close enough.

I'll have to pass on this golden opportunity. I don't want INTPc's sloppy seconds.

[Hustler]

They're close enough.

I'll have to pass on this golden opportunity. I don't want INTPc's sloppy seconds.
Okay, okay. One of them is in Purgatory now anyway.

[Lurker]

Okay, okay. One of them is in Purgatory now anyway.

Take the rest and dump them at MBTI Central. They need 20 odd members to catch up with Nebulous.

[Hustler]

Take the rest and dump them at MBTI Central. They need 20 odd members to catch up with Nebulous.
Or 0.3 Fortunatos.

[Lurker]

Or 0.3 Fortunatos.

One Krill should work. FranG actually had 1.25 Krill or something like that.

[Hustler]

It seems some people are unhappy with the Death List. I can't say that I really care, but I sure would like other people to weigh in with what they think are practical solutions to the non-INTP Problem. The Life List (everyone but the selected people get restricted to the Vomitorium and Purgatory) is, of course, another possibility, and perhaps a Life List poll will have to be made at some point in the near future. But, what else?

[airjaw]

I posted some solutions already but in another thread.

[Randomnity]

It seems some people are unhappy with the Death List. I can't say that I really care, but I sure would like other people to weigh in with what they think are practical solutions to the non-INTP Problem. The Life List (everyone but the selected people get restricted to the Vomitorium and Purgatory) is, of course, another possibility, and perhaps a Life List poll will have to be made at some point in the near future. But, what else?

You're still falsely assuming that you speak for everyone here in saying that there is a problem in the first place.

[Prothero]

It seems some people are unhappy with the Death List . . . But, what else?

The Death List is a popularity contest. There's one person on INTPc I set on ignore, so there is no reason to make that choice, but choosing from a list doesn't seem like it resolves this issue for either side. Honorary INTPs?

If they are allowed to remain, I think one (or more) sub-forums should be restricted from, and invisible to, non-INTPs. As I mentioned somewhere else, in order to satisfy the fair play INTPs, give the non-INTPs an invisible forum too, restricting INTPs from posting there. Then you would have a function for those chosen honorary INTPs: let them be the moderator of the hidden non-INTP sub-forum. I know I wouldn't want to be tasked with reading everything in there, and no INTP moderator should be expected to make such a sacrifice, not even for the overall benefit of INTPc.

Where there is need, or desire to interact among types, the visible-to-all areas would be available.

[Hustler]

I posted some solutions already but in another thread.
What the fuck, man. I'm losing track of all these threads. Can I get a link or could you maybe put them here, in the thread geared at finding and discussing practical solutions?

[Hustler]

You're still falsely assuming that you speak for everyone here in saying that there is a problem in the first place.
Am I? I think you're assuming I'm assuming that. Anyway, this thread is for solutions. Good ones. Practical ones. Are you ever going to offer one up, or are you just going to continue to waste our time here? If you don't think there's a problem, then you really don't need to post here in a thread asking for solutions to the problem.

[Hustler]

Where there is need, or desire to interact among types, the visible-to-all areas would be available.
There is a big problem with this. In doing this, we would make all of the great INTP-only stuff invisible to the general public. That means that lurkers or even guests wouldn't get to see it, and we would run the risk of not attracting new INTPs to the forum, because all they'd see would be the rubbish that has been infested by the non-INTP vermin. Then we miss out on getting a quality new member, and that person misses out on getting the chance to learn from and connect with the people here. Worse still, we attract even more people who are drawn to the crap, and so the crapfest continues to grow. That seems suboptimal to me. And plus it reeks of hiding out in a secret forum on our own forum, where we shouldn't have to hide out.

[Prothero]

There is a big problem with this. In doing this, we would make all of the great INTP-only stuff invisible to the general public. That means that lurkers or even guests wouldn't get to see it, and we would run the risk of not attracting new INTPs to the forum, because all they'd see would be the rubbish that has been infested by the non-INTP vermin. Then we miss out on getting a quality new member, and that person misses out on getting the chance to learn from and connect with the people here. Worse still, we attract even more people who are drawn to the crap, and so the crapfest continues to grow. That seems suboptimal to me. And plus it reeks of hiding out in a secret forum on our own forum, where we shouldn't have to hide out.

Point taken, so skip the invisibility bit and make the posting restrictions appropriate to the type of sub-forum. Areas involving entertainment, playful posts, or whatever, could be set for all, but the rest would be devoted to INTPs.
Otherwise it seems to come down to allowing only INTPs to have membership, and as we've already seen, there are those among us who would want to add the condition that they be popular INTPs (the one suggesting apparently being the one to decide who stays or goes.) Either ban all non-INTPs or accept that they are here, they will irritate at times (some more than others) and they can't help themselves when they suggest, or demand, that an INTP change to suit them. Some don't even realize they've done it, it's just part of who they are.

Obviously if INTPc becomes INTP only, and then judgments of INTPness, or popularity are permitted, I'm in deep trouble. Being much older than most here, I am a prime candidate for not always fitting the youthful-INTP type (can barely remember what it was like.)

[ApeTheDog]

Ok. Let's be categorical then. This problem has to end.

Main forum: only for INTP's. At all times.
Non-INTP forum: For all other types and INTP's. We allow non-INTP's to turn it into anything they want, so if they want a hugging thread, let them have it. It doesn't affect us. I'd let them moderate the place as well - less problems for us, and we don't have to mediate in emotional stuff.

We keep it like this at all times, and make no exceptions. None of the parties lose anything. The non-INTP's who would have liked to post on a thread in the INTP forum are welcome to start one on their own forum concerning the same issues.

[ApeTheDog]

Additions:

When somebody posts on the INTP forum, and we suspect they are not of our type, we restrict their access. We do this immediately, and argue AFTERWARDS. That's how it should be, imo, to keep this place running smoothly. Act first, then be open to admit you've made a mistake afterwards, and rectify it. (I do not like this measure, but I like, even less, if we'd have to go through ten days of crappy "is XXX an INTP or not?" polls and disagreements every time something had to be done).

There should be two "new posts" buttons - one for each forum.

[airjaw]

Let the poster add a tag to the title of his new thread that indicates his wish to keep the thread INTP only, like this:

"Solutions to the non-INTP debate ** INTP **

Any non-INTP posts in that thread would be ignored and deleted, but I'm sure that won't be necessary.

[Hustler]

Excellent ideas, Ape. Are you completely opposed to the idea of allowing exceptions to the rule? There are some non-INTPs whose input is surely welcome in most any thread. Just take a look at the Death List and how some people are getting virtually no votes (other NTs, in particular, it seems). Not to mention, zhang_bob has already admitted to voting for the people with no votes just because they had no votes, and so you can reduce those people with 2 or 3 votes down by 1 because (a) zhang_bob's vote probably shouldn't count in the first place and (b) he was being fatuous anyway. So, in other words, maybe this list could serve as both the Death List and the Life List, depending on how we decide to go with it. The bottom vote-getters could be spared the restriction to the non-INTP only area(s) in the even that we decide to adopt an approach like that you've outlined.

Or should we just be totally hardline? Seems people are calling for a little spice of non-INTPism in the INTP space, and perhaps the 10 best non-INTP posters from among the 20 most active on the forum would serve as just that.

[Hustler]

Let the poster add a tag to the title of his new thread that indicates his wish to keep the thread INTP only, like this:

"Solutions to the non-INTP debate ** INTP **

Any non-INTP posts in that thread would be ignored and deleted, but I'm sure that won't be necessary.
Good idea. So any INTP thread starter could specify [INTP Only] in the title or maybe as a header in the first post, and then any non-INTP who tried to post there would have his post deleted and then be forever restricted to Purgatory and the Vomitorium. It lacks the elegance of an automated system, but, with vigilant moderators, it would serve the purpose of hedging out unwanted non-INTP opinion.

[ApeTheDog]

We can allow ambassadors who have, through their efforts and exemplary behavior, proven to be the finest of their MBTI type and thus get to represent their side.

I would keep this number really low. Some people who are on the forum right now, and maybe allow some out of the pool of non-INTP's at select times. We could come up with a ratio, and whenever that ratio was favourable (say, we maintain a 5% non-INTP versus 95% INTP ratio) because a lot of new INTP's had joined, we'll allow people on the forum to propose candidates - then vote on it in a poll. It would be a fun thing.

I would, however, always keep track of this ratio - and not allow people on an individual basis (as in... person X is so nice. Let's allow them in) as that might eventually lead to it getting swamped again, and to questions of: "if we just allowed X in, shouldn't we allow Y in as well?". The ratio decides when we allow people in. That is the only way to keep the forum from getting swamped and to keep people from taking this personally.

[rainfall]

Practical Solutions for the non-INTP Problem:
If you're intp:
You're over 40. Move out from your parents already. Seriously, it's time.
If you're non-intp:
Change your type in the profile to intp, pronto. *I* am sparticus!