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abathur
17 Apr 2007, 05:46 AM
Fuck what you would write, put your money where your mouth is. What are you actually putting a pen to?

Ivy
17 Apr 2007, 05:48 AM
Silly abathur. Nobody uses pens anymore!

I have a concept for a book of short stories, but since I've been working on the first one for several years, I don't think it's going to materialize.

dunee
17 Apr 2007, 05:56 AM
er, not quite a pen either, but letterpress type... Printing an artists book with a few of my own poems for book arts class.

abathur
17 Apr 2007, 06:10 AM
Silly abathur. Nobody uses pens anymore! Pft. I so do. I like writing with pen better, though I've had to use the laptop for the past couple weeks; it's so much faster. Still, I've probably written at least 30k words by hand this semester.

Ivy
17 Apr 2007, 06:16 AM
Pft. I so do. I like writing with pen better, though I've had to use the laptop for the past couple weeks; it's so much faster. Still, I've probably written at least 30k words by hand this semester.

*mentally cross-references this comment to abathur's Girlysmell thread*

I don't know why, but I feel much less self-conscious writing with a keyboard than I do with a pen. I guess I can get ideas out more quickly and have less opportunity to second-guess while writing.

nfinityi
17 Apr 2007, 06:20 AM
Pft. I so do. I like writing with pen better, though I've had to use the laptop for the past couple weeks; it's so much faster. Still, I've probably written at least 30k words by hand this semester.
Yeah. Writing with a pen is so much more satisfying to me, and makes me feel connected with what I'm writing. It has an almost... earthy feel to it. I especially love it when I have a pen that writes nice and smoothly. Like this 1.0 millimeter gelpen.

I love looking at handwritten things. Maps, sheetmusic, stories, you name it. I'm with you, abathur.

helium
17 Apr 2007, 06:44 AM
Working on dating experiences. Putting together a dark humor do-and-don't guidebook for adolescent boys dating adolescent girls.

And I love writing with a good pen. But I get so much more done when I'm at a keyboard.

Dansker
17 Apr 2007, 07:22 AM
I am also a fan of pen and paper for story writing. Somehow the words don't come quite so easily when I am at a keyboard.

I've been writing off and on for about 15 years. In December last year I started writing again after a break of about 3 years. Since December I have written just over 1000 pages - all by hand. I don't know if I will ever finish the book - I keep getting new ideas, creating new characters and before I know it the end is no where in sight - again.

Uni work is different. I can't seem to get my thoughts together with a pen and paper; I must be in front of my laptop.

airjaw
17 Apr 2007, 08:50 AM
I prefer the keyboard. I find that my ideas come too quickly to be able to be expressed by hand, and I start losing my focus and the big picture. This was a recurring problem I had with writing essays in class.

I love typing. My hands don't start to hurt or cramp either.

HilbertSpace
17 Apr 2007, 09:53 AM
Is it just me, or did the discussion get derailed?

Riding that train, though, I work best in pencil, not pen. Specifically I prefer the Bic automatic disposable pencils in 0.7mm. I do a lot more actual writing on the computer, but when playing with ideas I prefer pencil and paper.

I'm currently working on a couple of papers, plus what I write for work. I also have some book and story ideas that I play with every now and then.

heirophant
17 Apr 2007, 10:18 AM
45 Unimaginative Tales: nothing about these tales is interesting; nothing that you'd expect to happen will happen and neither will anything else.

HilbertSpace
17 Apr 2007, 10:22 AM
45 Unimaginative Tales: nothing about these tales is interesting; nothing that you'd expect to happen will happen and neither will anything else.


I took a lit class once. It's been done, trust me.

heirophant
17 Apr 2007, 10:23 AM
I took a lit class once. It's been done, trust me.

45 times?

bluebell
17 Apr 2007, 12:48 PM
Currently writing? Technically nothing, but there is a novel with the first 4 chapters written just waiting for me to finish it (or convert to a short story). It will get done. One day. Really. The fact that I haven't touched it for 2 years means nothing. Really. The novel is very loosely based on something which happened IRL to me.

I kinda went through my 'I wanna be a writer' phase a few years ago. Taught myself how to write, got published a few times (and got paid actual money).

But I got INTP bored with the stuff I was good at writing and drifted into fiction. I wrote several short stories and some dreadful poetry but couldn't get any of it published.

Started my novel, got stuck because it was too painful. Then INTP boredom hit.

I started cartooning and started to plan how to get published in newspapers. Then realised I needed to find someone who could draw good cartoons.

Then I got a real job.

Prothero
17 Apr 2007, 12:56 PM
Fuck what you would write, put your money where your mouth is. What are you actually putting a pen to?

I prefer pen in the beginning of a story. It allows me to edit when entering the finished pages into the laptop. I also use the keyboard at times when the natural flow would be lessened by a lack of speed. As for putting money where my mouth is, 7 completed, 2 published and several in various stages of development. It's unlikely I will ever publish again, but writing is my obsession, so that continues (publishing is like a weight pressing down on creativity.)

ApeTheDog
17 Apr 2007, 01:24 PM
Ideas that never came to fruition:

- a story about a detective chasing a serial killer, only to find out he had a split personality and had been the one murdering all those people. It was going to be written from both points of view, one chapter at a time, and the serial killer would be incredibly brutal. Clues would be dropped so that intelligent readers would figure it out before the protagonist, but, the idea here is to have people, upon discovering the truth, to go: I could have known! - but for them not to, actually, have know it.

- a funny science fiction western, set in belgium. It is an interesting concept because there are no belgian westerns (we never had a wild west), nor do science fiction books get written here. Possibly it would contain some fantasy elements as well. It would basically just be all the junk I could find, mixed together, but still making sense. The protagonist would be a farmer, as that also amuses me. Farmers in science fiction stories. The two ideas clash (high tech, and low tech). Hence: humor potential.

- a movie script about a giant, godzilla like creature from outer space. The overarching idea I had here, which caused me to want to come up with the rest of the story, was an image. A man gets up from his bed, walks outside, looks up into the sky and sees a giant, lizzard-like eye in it, taking up the whole skyline (and some scales and so on around it - but predominantly visible is the eye). The whole idea of there being such a giant eye up there in the sky is one I can't get out of my mind. It's powerful. Then, the rest of the story writes itself. The people unite, etc... problems, overcoming them, exposition. Discovery of monsters motivation ("it eats planets for nourishment"). Monster dies. People leave the cinema feeling good.

NoahFence
17 Apr 2007, 03:23 PM
I have a story that I've been developing for years. Typical INTP, right? I do have some written, but very little. My motivation has been growing again, though. I am starving myself from doing any Roleplaying, which I hope will cause my creative urge to spur me on and actually write the damn thing. Dunno WTF my problem is, the story is fucking awesome if I do say so myself, it's begging to be written, it's just so...so big... *sigh*

Jennywocky
17 Apr 2007, 03:44 PM
I have a story that I've been developing for years. Typical INTP, right? I do have some written, but very little. My motivation has been growing again, though. I am starving myself from doing any Roleplaying, which I hope will cause my creative urge to spur me on and actually write the damn thing. Dunno WTF my problem is, the story is fucking awesome if I do say so myself, it's begging to be written, it's just so...so big... *sigh*

Yeah. That's exactly the problem. Great at developing, not so great at actually committing to all the details involved in writing it out (or figuring out what those details should be).

You're not in bad company. Tolkien took 14 years to complete the Lord of the Rings. That's less than 100 words per day. If you examine the bulk of his work, you'll see he was much more a developer and historian, rather than a storywriter per se... much better at concepts and underlying foundations of people and societies (culture, language, etc.)

My best friend and I began developing the plot for our fantasy series in 1996. We finished a first draft in 1998-1999 for book one. We have a second draft now, know the entire plot, have most of book #2 plotted, a lot of back history down, the general plot of Book #3 and most of the plot of what comes after. We have some artwork, we have music ideas... but we just cannot seem to finish the stupid draft for Book #1.

From my experience, there still isn't really any other way to do it but to just do it.

The first draft will suck and not nearly match the ideas that move and inspire you. But in that draft, you'll will see some new threads and ideas and ways to implement things, and the second draft will be much better. You can't edit a draft that doesn't exist.

Barring that, if you can find a coauthor who doesn't struggle over details, that can help tremendously as well. It frees you up to develop and edit and tweak, and gives someone else the implementation duties; but obviously there is some compromising that goes on there, since both people have to "own the story" and you no longer have total control.

NoahFence
17 Apr 2007, 04:15 PM
Barring that, if you can find a coauthor who doesn't struggle over details, that can help tremendously as well. It frees you up to develop and edit and tweak, and gives someone else the implementation duties; but obviously there is some compromising that goes on there, since both people have to "own the story" and you no longer have total control.

Nope. Jealous God. Sorry.

I've also sort of pinned my hopes on my book(s) getting me out of the rat race. That's a nice motivator.

TheSuspect
17 Apr 2007, 06:29 PM
Fuck what you would write, put your money where your mouth is. What are you actually putting a pen to?

You're saying we should eat money? What about ZE GERMS!? :grin:

I'm currently writing a fantasy book, i've done a few chapters, but I think i'm going to start all over again, and in swedish. I've done some good writing, but I don't like the idea of my fantasy world, it's too... It's too much like Stephen Donaldsons' Covenant chronicles. :stupid: Not THAT like it, but the whole atmosphere and everything is so packed with a sense of impending doom. It's awful. I want a more... Dungeons & Dragons-mood over it, where you really can SEE in front of you that the world passes on, the character is not it's pinnacle, just a regular guy that later becomes more than he was to begin with, while at the same time making it jolly by adding bloodshed, dwarves, a few taverns with fiddle music... :grin:

And I like to use the pen sometimes when i'm trying to get into the mood, just going out into the woods, sitting up on a cliff in the sun with no disruptions. With ze notepad. Don't recall what kind of pen i'm using, but I think it's 1.0 mm. Some half-expensive junk at least.
Normally I sit by the computer.

Pooja
17 Apr 2007, 09:35 PM
I'm writing a collection of obituaries for people that piss me off. O.K... I haven't started it yet, but I'm always threatening to write my mom's.

w.w.truman
18 Apr 2007, 05:11 AM
As pointed out by others earlier in the thread I think that we are all aware that asking an INTP to have the dedication to write an entire book or whatever is basically an exercise in futility.

Like an earlier poster I also had an "I want to be a writer" phase where I actually completed a full screenplay (sucked ass) and was writing two others. You'll never guess what happened to those two. That's right, half-finished. The one I actually finished didn't get edited or otherwise improved.

I realize that I'm contributing to the thread going totally off-topic, but bear with me.

I've actually been considering writing a guide-to-life sort of book. I figure, what exactly qualifies people like Tony Robbins or the Mars/Venus guys to be "experts." Not a god damn thing! So why can't I be one? Big problem. I haven't achieved a damn thing post-college and making up a bunch of BS about how one should live their life would violate my cardinal rule of "keepin' it real" when I've done jack shit since I got out of school.

One can dream though...

abathur
18 Apr 2007, 06:28 AM
I just hit 36K words on my novel tonight. I'm hoping to write a few more over the summer, but that could always flake out. I'm having to work on having the drive for it. I think the difference might be in the INTP who wants to write one book, and the writer, who wants to write a ton of them?

beyonder
27 Apr 2007, 04:54 AM
I'm working on a unified psychological theory. Does that count?

SolitaryWalker
27 Apr 2007, 04:56 AM
I'm working on a unified psychological theory. Does that count?

What kind of a theory would this be?

beyonder
27 Apr 2007, 05:23 AM
A synthesis between psychoanalytical and cognitive psychologies, with a bit of behaviorism to the side. All from a phenomenological perspective, that is. I hold that certain ideas in ones worldview (I call them existential dominants) are the conscious equivalents to the unconscious archetypes. I draw on various sources, including Jung, Brentano, Kant and Merleau-Ponty... It's still all in my head, though, but am slowly starting to put it all into writing. I've been studying these things for the past 4.5 years now, btw.

SolitaryWalker
27 Apr 2007, 06:19 AM
A synthesis between psychoanalytical and cognitive psychologies, with a bit of behaviorism to the side. All from a phenomenological perspective, that is. I hold that certain ideas in ones worldview (I call them existential dominants) are the conscious equivalents to the unconscious archetypes. I draw on various sources, including Jung, Brentano, Kant and Merleau-Ponty... It's still all in my head, though, but am slowly starting to put it all into writing. I've been studying these things for the past 4.5 years now, btw.


How much of Kant have you studied?

beyonder
27 Apr 2007, 06:47 AM
I own the following: Critique of Pure reason, Critique of practical reason, What's enlightenment, What means; to orientate oneself in thinking, idea about a common history in the perspective of the worldcitizen, possible start of human history, the end of all things, about the commonplace: That might be true in theory, but sucks in practice (ok, being a bit liberal in translating that one), eternal peace.

I'm not nearly halfway through though, with Kant. I have a library of over 100 philosophical/psychological books and +1100 uni level lectures (teaching company), and whenever something strikes my fancy, I start studying; meaning, I have a lot of books where I'm halfway through. Though I finish all books I own, some take longer to finish than others... no use in actually buying those texts if I don't intend to finish 'em... I don't care much about creds, I care about competence. I read texts as part of my various research programmes, not to become expert about someone elses philosophy; I'm more into actually philosophising myself, than a history of philosophy.
One day I'm studying philosophy, the next, I'm doing comparative history. Lately, I've been getting into religion again, so my actual philosophical investigations have been on a hold for quitte some time now (something like two weeks. I don't actually take a break, only when I'm forced to, or force myself. Studying, that is, the thinking never stops.).

SolitaryWalker
27 Apr 2007, 06:53 AM
I own the following: Critique of Pure reason, Critique of practical reason, What's enlightenment, What means; to orientate oneself in thinking, idea about a common history in the perspective of the worldcitizen, possible start of human history, the end of all things, about the commonplace: That might be true in theory, but sucks in practice (ok, being a bit liberal in translating that one), eternal peace.

I'm not nearly halfway through though, with Kant. I have a library of over 100 philosophical/psychological books, and whenever something strikes my fancy, I start reading it; meaning, I have a lot of books where I'm halfway through. Though I finish all books I own, some take longer to finish than others... no use in actually buying those texts if I don't intend to finish 'em... I don't care much about creds, I care about competence. I read texts as part of my various research programmes, not to become expert about someone elses philosophy; I'm more into actually philosophising myself, than a history of philosophy.

Have you studied the Critique of Pure Reason?

You might want to study Schopenhauer, he can help you greatly with your theory as he examined the unconscious mind thoroughly.

beyonder
27 Apr 2007, 07:04 AM
I own his World as Will and Representation, though I haven't touched book 1 yet. I really enjoy reading book 2, as it can be read as loose essays instead of an interconnecting system (fits my learning style more than book 1)... His Parerga und Paralipomena is damn expensive over here, though, since they only published a hardcover version wich is priced at 109 euros, if I remember correctly... Didn't actually get the chance to read those essays yet except for a few pages of his essay on eudaimonism... I bought a loose copy of that, only to find out it's part of his Parerga. Needless to say, I returned it the day after, since I'm actually still intent on getting his P&P... Schopenhauer is great. If you want to get a good laugh on his account though, you should check the biography by Rudiger Saffranski... No, nothing bad or anything, it's just that some of Schopenhauers quirks are quitte amusing... When he followed some lectures by Fichte, for instance, he wrote a note to himself, proclaiming that he would do anything just to hold a gun to Fichtes head, just to check if that guy was talking crap or actually had seen what he was talking 'bout... Or how he liked to go to the local tavern, at one point, just to annoy the local poets... They where scared of him, because he used to maul them with his reasoning abilities. :grin:
On a more serious note, the biography is quitte clear about what S. called 'better consciousness' (without judgement), wich is mostly taken from his notes. Taking that notion into account, some of his texts can be understood in a completely new light...
Anyway, Schopenhauer is actually a quitte funny guy, next to being (what I consider) one of the greats, after Kant.

Oculus Sinister
27 Apr 2007, 07:22 AM
Yeah. Writing with a pen is so much more satisfying to me, and makes me feel connected with what I'm writing. It has an almost... earthy feel to it. I especially love it when I have a pen that writes nice and smoothly. Like this 1.0 millimeter gelpen.

I love looking at handwritten things. Maps, sheetmusic, stories, you name it. I'm with you, abathur.


I wonder if using a wacom pad with a need font would have any affect to it. Like having the font literally bleed as you right. Kind of like using a weather pen or even just a neat graphical writing font.

SolitaryWalker
27 Apr 2007, 07:41 AM
I own his World as Will and Representation, though I haven't touched book 1 yet. I really enjoy reading book 2, as it can be read as loose essays instead of an interconnecting system (fits my learning style more than book 1)... His Parerga und Paralipomena is damn expensive over here, though, since they only published a hardcover version wich is priced at 109 euros, if I remember correctly... Didn't actually get the chance to read those essays yet except for a few pages of his essay on eudaimonism... I bought a loose copy of that, only to find out it's part of his Parerga. Needless to say, I returned it the day after, since I'm actually still intent on getting his P&P... Schopenhauer is great. If you want to get a good laugh on his account though, you should check the biography by Rudiger Saffranski... No, nothing bad or anything, it's just that some of Schopenhauers quirks are quitte amusing... When he followed some lectures by Fichte, for instance, he wrote a note to himself, proclaiming that he would do anything just to hold a gun to Fichtes head, just to check if that guy was talking crap or actually had seen what he was talking 'bout... Or how he liked to go to the local tavern, at one point, just to annoy the local poets... They where scared of him, because he used to maul them with his reasoning abilities. :grin:
On a more serious note, the biography is quitte clear about what S. called 'better consciousness' (without judgement), wich is mostly taken from his notes. Taking that notion into account, some of his texts can be understood in a completely new light...
Anyway, Schopenhauer is actually a quitte funny guy, next to being (what I consider) one of the greats, after Kant.




''In general , I make the demand that whoever wishes to make himself acquainted with my philosophy shall read every line of me. For I am not a prolific writer, a fabricator of compendiums, an earner of fees , a person who aims with his writings at approbation and assent of a minister; in a word, one whose pen is under the influence of personal ends. I aspire to nothing but the truth, and I write as the ancients wrote with the sole object of preserving my thoughts, so that they may one day benefit those who know how to meditate on them and appreciate them.''

I've read everything that he ever wrote as he demanded of me and I certainly appreciate his work and meditate on it a lot....he has profoundly changed the way I think....

But man.. some of these lines... once you read them... you'll never forget... but I just think that this stuff is hilarious..


"Actually, I have for a long time been of opinion that the quantity of noise anyone can comfortably endure is in inverse proportion to his mental powers, and may therefore be regarded as a rough estimate of them. Therefore, when I hear dogs barking unchecked for hours in the courtyard of a house, I know what to think of the mental powers of the inhabitants. The man who habitually slams doors instead of shutting them with the hand, or allows this to be done in his house, is not merely ill-mannered, but also coarse and narrow-minded.''


"Moreover, such a man will not always be explaining anew what has already been explained once, as Kant does, for example, and other main concepts. Generally such a man will not incessantly repeat himself, and yet, in every new presentation of an idea that has already occured a hundred times, leave it again in precisely the same obscure passages. On the contrary he will express his meaning once distinctly, thoroughly and exhaustively, and leave it at that. But the greatest disadvantage of Kant's occassionally obscure exposition is that it acted as an example inducing one to imitate its defects. In fact it was misinterpreted as a pernicious authorization. What was senseless and without meaning at once took refuge in obscure exposition and language. Fichte was the first to grasp and make use of this privelege; Schelling at best equalled him in this, and a host of hungry scribblers without intellect or honesty soon surpassed them both. But the greatest effrontery in serving up sheer nonsense, in scrabbling together senseless and maddening webs of words, such as had previously been heard only in madhouses, finally appeared in Hegel. It became the instrument of the most ponderous and general mystification that has ever existed, with a result that will seem incredible to posterity and be a lasting monument of German stupidity."


''Nay, the just reader will hardly find fault with him should be occasionally give free vent to his indignation; since we see what comes of it when people who profess to have truth for their sole aim, are always occupied in studying the purposes of their powerful superiors, and when the e quovis ligno fit Mercurius is extended to the greatest philosophers, and a clumsy charlatan, like Hegel, is calmly classed among them? Verily German Philosophy stands before us loaded with contempt, the laughing-stock of other nations, expelled from all honest science--like the prostitue who sells herself for sordid hire to-day to on, to-morrow to another; and brains of present generation of savants are disorganized by Hegelian non-sense: incapable of reflection, coarse and bewildered, they fall prey to the low Materialism which has crept out of the basilisk's egg. Good speed to them. I return to my subject.''


''But in this last way way Fichte misunderstood it, and this was possible only because he was concerned not with truth, but with making a sensaton for the furtherance of his personal ends. Accordingly, he was foolhardy and thoughtless enough altogether to deny the thing-in-itself, and to set up a system in which not the merely formal part of the representation, as with Kant, but also the material, namely its whole content, was ostensibly deduced apriori from the subject. He quite correctly reckoned here on the public's lack of judgement and stupidity, for they accepted wretched sophisms, mere hocus-pocus, and senseless twaddle as proofs, so that he succeeded in turning the public's attention from Kant to himself, and in giving to German philosophy the direction in which it was afterwards carried farther by Schelling, finally reaching its goal in the senseless sham wisdom of Hegel.''



Schopenhauer frequented to Italy where he annoyed the poets with his provocative opinions: advocating polygamy and polytheism.

Volume 2 was just supplemental material to his magnus opus and his literary genius shines there more than anywhere else. Yet book 1 sets an example for how philosophy is to be written, he even parallels Hume there. I'd say he is even better, on top of being very clear, he also has this merit of self-expression.

SolitaryWalker
27 Apr 2007, 07:53 AM
Where can I access Schopenhauer's notes, I know he's kept several notebooks, I'd really like to read them.

This perception without judgment sure bears a semblance on his Ni-Fe doesnt it?

How Ni is so loose and prescient, yet Fe is rigid and dogmatic. Hence the Fe is like the Will and the Ni the intellect.

beyonder
28 Apr 2007, 06:46 AM
Can you read German? His 'Handschriftlichen Nachlass' and ''Gesammelte brieven' don't seem to be translated in English. There also are various collections of his 'manuskripte', but also in German (I took a quick look on amazon to check if they where published in English, though no luck, there.). Please note that I haven't seen any of those books, myself. All information is from Saffranski's bio on him...

SolitaryWalker
28 Apr 2007, 07:16 AM
Can you read German? His 'Handschriftlichen Nachlass' and ''Gesammelte brieven' don't seem to be translated in English. There also are various collections of his 'manuskripte', but also in German (I took a quick look on amazon to check if they where published in English, though no luck, there.). Please note that I haven't seen any of those books, myself. All information is from Saffranski's bio on him...

No, but I will definitely study German, there is a ton of great literature that has been written in that language originally, hell just Schopenhauer would be enough to convince me. Its unfortunate that they have not been translated yet.

What do you think of all of those quotes?

beyonder
28 Apr 2007, 09:35 AM
They're great. Schopenhauer isn't being nuanced in them, as he was writing to himself. Very good stuff. :highfive:

ohtarie_aranel
16 May 2007, 07:21 PM
I write with a keyboard, and I enjoy writing fiction.

Ferrus
16 May 2007, 07:25 PM
I would like to voice my desire for the word 'hearty' to be used more often at this juncture.

Mr.Miagi
17 May 2007, 12:53 AM
I'm currently writing a book called The Fabulous Life Of Scott Fitzgerald.
It's actually finished, although I never call any of my books finished. I'm currently detached from it, as I'm too busy at the university, but I'll pick it up again during the holidays, make my final revisions, and send it out to a couple of publishers, who will, as with my previous books, reject the damn thing! On a lighter note, The Fabulous Life... revolves around Scott Fitzgerald's famous friendship with Ernest Hemingway, how they met, became friends, got drunk together, fought, and finally, broke up. To me it is a fascinating friendship, as it was always charged with jealousy, competition, fame, money, ridicolous masculinity tussles, and ultimately, the fake charge by Scott's wife Zelda that Scott and Ernest had a homosexual affair.

The novel moves between first person and third person narrative. It's divided into three fragmentary parts that, I believe, nicely integrates the story into a whole. Its my most ambitious and complex novel to date (more reason for its future rejection), but I had real fun writing it. I wanted to challenge myself with this novel, because my previous two were standard first person narratives. Third person is much more technical, but can be much more rewarding I believe. For the first time I was able to distance myself from the characters without being prejudiced or biased. And for some reason I always turn my novels into comedies. Maybe its that cynical INTP humour speaking.

MacGuffin
17 May 2007, 12:57 AM
I'm currently writing a book called The Fabulous Life Of Scott Fitzgerald.
It's actually finished, although I never call any of my books finished. I'm currently detached from it, as I'm too busy at the university, but I'll pick it up again during the holidays, make my final revisions, and send it out to a couple of publishers, who will, as with my previous books, reject the damn thing! On a lighter note, The Fabulous Life... revolves around Scott Fitzgerald's famous friendship with Ernest Hemingway, how they met, became friends, got drunk together, fought, and finally, broke up. To me it is a fascinating friendship, as it was always charged with jealousy, competition, fame, money, ridicolous masculinity tussles, and ultimately, the fake charge by Scott's wife Zelda that Scott and Ernest had a homosexual affair.

The novel moves between first person and third person narrative. It's divided into three fragmentary parts that, I believe, nicely integrates the story into a whole. Its my most ambitious and complex novel to date (more reason for its future rejection), but I had real fun writing it. I wanted to challenge myself with this novel, because my previous two were standard first person narratives. Third person is much more technical, but can be much more rewarding I believe. For the first time I was able to distance myself from the characters without being prejudiced or biased. And for some reason I always turn my novels into comedies. Maybe its that cynical INTP humour speaking.
I'd read that.

Mr.Miagi
17 May 2007, 10:10 AM
I'd read that.

appreciated thanks.

Larkin
22 May 2007, 11:48 PM
I am writing the biography of Foster Brooks and plan to do the Life and times of Professor Irwin Cory

Gala
23 May 2007, 12:05 AM
I finished a children's novel and sent it off to an agents slush pile last week. I HATE sending stuff off, but I was talked into it. Am expecting the usual PFO in about another 12 weeks. Have also written a few other chidlrens novel and an adults one that still sit, unprinted, on my computer. The best place for them.

My next plan is a re-telling of 12 traditional fairy-tales for teens. It's proving a lot of fun taking the stuffy old stories and filling them back up with the pure violence and sex, along with a lot of humor, from which I imagine the story orriginated while at the same time forcing the story to stay true to the orriginal plot-line. I doubt that I'll have the time to continue working on it for a while, though and am leaving it parked for at least a few months.

I also enjoy writing fantasy short stories, just for myslef.

Mr.Miagi
4 Jul 2007, 11:49 AM
I writing a crazy new novel.

It's about a guy (jim) who confronts his wife because she's fucking someone else. hsi wife tells him he's pathetic and leaves him. the guy is depressed and angry at his wife fucking someone else and leaving him. so he decides to fuck some other woman to get back at his wife. he also decides to fuck a lot of women to get back at his wife, for he knows his wife is having multiple affairs. he decides to fuck the wife of a guy who is having an affair with his wife, just to get back at his wife. he also decides to fuck the cleaning-lady, just for the sake of fucking. he then decides to fuck his wife's cat, just to get back at his wife. he also considers to fuck himself with a broom, just to get back at his wife. the guy is obsessed with fucking other things, because that's what he thinks his wife is doing. the thing is, what makes the story so ridiculous, is that his wife is actually not fucking somebody else. she's not fucking anyone. poor jim.

MacGuffin
4 Jul 2007, 03:40 PM
I writing a crazy new novel.

It's about a guy (jim) who confronts his wife because she's fucking someone else. hsi wife tells him he's pathetic and leaves him. the guy is depressed and angry at his wife fucking someone else and leaving him. so he decides to fuck some other woman to get back at his wife. he also decides to fuck a lot of women to get back at his wife, for he knows his wife is having multiple affairs. he decides to fuck the wife of a guy who is having an affair with his wife, just to get back at his wife. he also decides to fuck the cleaning-lady, just for the sake of fucking. he then decides to fuck his wife's cat, just to get back at his wife. he also considers to fuck himself with a broom, just to get back at his wife. the guy is obsessed with fucking other things, because that's what he thinks his wife is doing. the thing is, what makes the story so ridiculous, is that his wife is actually not fucking somebody else. she's not fucking anyone. poor jim.
This an autobiography?

LongSilence
4 Jul 2007, 04:26 PM
He should have the wife's cat as the narrator.

Mr.Miagi
5 Jul 2007, 10:19 AM
This an autobiography?

no its third person, although much of it is written in the stream of consciousness vein, (ala James Joyce), through the eyes of Jim, who is probably me. there are parts that have autobiographical elements, but most of it is exaggarated to point that reaches absurdity, as you might have noticed.

P.S.

I'm currently reading Joyce's Ulysses and I think it's influencing me a lot. There's a lot of similitaries, like both stories take place in one day, both main characters are on a journey (Jim is on a fuck journey). Also, James Joyce was called by his partner/wife Jim, so I think that the main protagonist is an attempt to combine Mr.Miagi and James Joyce, so that Miagi would become less visible.

SolitaryWalker
6 Jul 2007, 03:49 AM
Poverty of Conventionalism is the title of the book I am writing with my ENFP friend.. you're free to speculate on what that's all about...if it doesnt strike you as self-explanatory already.

socrateez
10 Aug 2007, 11:37 PM
I used to write poetry. Typical right? I have a half finished book.

djm
11 Aug 2007, 12:07 PM
I am contemplating writing a book about the relationship between stress and disease in plants. I think either the American Phytopathological Society or CABI may be interesting in the idea.

I may write a book about how crop physiology and agronomy affect calcium distribution within plants. That would be more of a practical guide to growers of fruit and vegetables, than a scientific publication.

I got asked to write my autobiography last year, but declined. The temptation to be honest would be too great.