Our universe, sub-atomic particle.

[jittus rye]

What if our universe was only a smaller particle that was exploded or ripped apart by larger particles or universes?

Here is a model to illustrate such an idea:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v287/FireCat03/universe.gif

this would explain why it is expanding faster and faster.
boo

[int]

Several (an understatement) universes would exist then, no? Are there differences? If so what?


this would explain why it is expanding faster and faster.

How so?

[jittus rye]

Well in that theory, for example our universe mass could have been ripped apart and will eventually combine with other universe masses. Some universes could simply be an extremely dense ball of matter and energy, others are more like ours, balls that have been ripped apart. The reason then that the universe would be expanding faster and faster is as our "galaxy particles" are moving further and further away from eachother, they act less as one unit and therefore would have less resistance to other universe balls gravitational attraction causing them to speed up as they get closer in all directions.

[Superstring]

Well in that theory, for example our universe mass could have been ripped apart and will eventually combine with other universe masses. Some universes could simply be an extremely dense ball of matter and energy, others are more like ours, balls that have been ripped apart. The reason then that the universe would be expanding faster and faster is as our "galaxy particles" are moving further and further away from eachother, they act less as one unit and therefore would have less resistance to other universe balls gravitational attraction causing them to speed up as they get closer in all directions.


This thread is pretty great, thought I'd give it a nudge

[Sackanaka]

What would you call the environment (with or without quote marks) that these balls are in? Nothing?

[Superstring]

What would you call the environment (with or without quote marks) that these balls are in? Nothing?

Space.

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Should this thread perhaps be in Science, and not Rants & Raves? lol..

[Sackanaka]

Space.
Implying, I'm assuming then, that there exists no set realm outside of these universe expando-balls; that beyond these universes (defeating the term itself while it's at it) is nothing but the space the expando-balls just happen to travel through?

I guess it's just a semantics issue but I'm saying then you'd have to come up with a name for the larger area comprised of these universes.

If someone nominates the name "Tannum Sands" I might be sorely tempted to second the motion.

[Superstring]

Implying, I'm assuming then, that there exists no set realm outside of these universe expando-balls; that beyond these universes (defeating the term itself while it's at it) is nothing but the space the expando-balls just happen to travel through?

I guess it's just a semantics issue but I'm saying then you'd have to come up with a name for the larger area comprised of these universes.

If someone nominates the name "Tannum Sands" I might be sorely tempted to second the motion.

I quite understood, that is what I'm talking about. Our "universe," the fabric of 4-dimensional space-time in which we are accustomed to travelling, would occupy one of these spheres. The sphere would occupy space, in outer space.






this would explain why it is expanding faster and faster.



Where did you read this theory? It makes so much sense! I thought they were pretty certain of dark matter being the thing which causes accelerated universe expansion, but this almost-colliding universes theory sounds interesting nonetheless..

[omnirook]

I like to think that there's only one universe, containing all that exists.

W/in the one universe, there are an indeterminate number of contexts, such as the one in which we find ourselves w/the 4 dimensions that we perceive, time being the 4th. (I do not think that time is linear, but I do accept that linear time is time as we perceive it; our perception is, of course, subjective.)

I read Stephen Hawkings' "A Brief History of Time". I was struck by his suggestion that each point in time is eternal. I did not quite understand this. Did anyone else read his book and understand this?

[Melody]

yea, this is 1 of my vague potential theories http://forums.intpcentral.com/showpost.php?p=271203&postcount=49

[edit]note, a simple converse/application of the concept results in the idea that those things we call atoms are entire universes in themselves

another extension, which ive used in stories hehe, is that those universes which compose the atoms we know are actually the universes which our universes compose, as in, the scale system is circular

[joft]

the universe is a fractal!!!!!!!!!

i've been saying it all along

i'm gonna become like the time cube guy and just start yelling at and insulting everyone who doesn't believe that the universe is a fractal. every particle is the universe itself, it's a pattern that just repeats itself all throughout itself that you can zoom into or out of endlessly and just keep seeing the same thing (and time works that way too so there's no problem of first cause)

[mr. treat]

I read Stephen Hawkings "A Brief History of Time". I was struck by his suggestion that each point in time is eternal. I did not quite understand this. Did anyone else read his book and understand this?

sounds similar to how photons don't age.

[joft]

sounds like we're still attempting to resolve zeno's paradoxes :lol:

[omnirook]

sounds similar to how photons don't age.
I was hoping for an explanation - not something else I do not understand. :)

[mr. treat]

I was hoping for an explanation - nothing something else I do not understand. :)

the speed of light is the maximum physical speed in the universe because a photon is using every bit of the energy it posesses to travel through the three spatial dimensions, hence it does not travel through the dimension of time, and does not age.

[omnirook]

the speed of light is the maximum physical speed in the universe because a photon is using every bit of the energy it posesses to travel through the three spatial dimensions, hence it does not travel through the dimension of time, and does not age.
Interesting. Tell me more.

[Fierys]

I have always had this crazy theory that this universe is just a small part of a cell, like a blood cell(ugh..) and its various parts ya know? And this cell makes up a body, which turns out to be another cell, you get my idea? its like a never ending pattern, size being the only difference. but im likely to be wrong.

[mr. treat]

Interesting. Tell me more.

that's about all there is to it :)

try reading the elegant universe, by brian greene if you're REALLY interested.

[Google Monster]

Interesting. Tell me more.
Its relativity. The twins paradox explains the same thing. Lets say you seperate two twins and keep on on earth and the other in a spaceship that is traveling close to the speed of light. When the twin on earth ages lets say 40 years, the twin on earth will only age a few years. It really depends on how fast the spaceship is going. The faster the spaceship travels the bigger the difference in time dialation will be.

And object can not travel faster than light so an object will always have time. While a photon is light so it does travel at 300,000km/s so time doesn't apply to it.

[omnirook]

Its relativity. The twins paradox explains the same thing. Lets say you seperate two twins and keep on on earth and the other in a spaceship that is traveling close to the speed of light. When the twin on earth ages lets say 40 years, the twin on earth will only age a few years. It really depends on how fast the spaceship is going. The faster the spaceship travels the bigger the difference in time dialation will be.

And object can not travel faster than light so an object will always have time. While a photon is light so it does travel at 300,000km/s so time doesn't apply to it.
Thank you. Were you typing fast? <When the twin on earth ages lets say 40 years, the twin on earth will only age a few years.> I think that the second twin should be the one in the space ship. LOL! :)

[earwax]

I have always had this crazy theory that this universe is just a small part of a cell, like a blood cell(ugh..) and its various parts ya know? And this cell makes up a body, which turns out to be another cell, you get my idea? its like a never ending pattern, size being the only difference. but im likely to be wrong.
Maybe this guy is really on to something. Atoms are made of Spaceships (http://home.wanadoo.nl/r.f.dezwart/Frame-engels.html) :wacko:

[Fierys]

ehh...I wasnt being serious like that guy though. Its just one of those "wouldnt it be crazy if..." type of thoughts. It would be funny if that turned out to be true though, besides the stupid sounding spaceships &lt;_&lt; .

[earwax]

That guy calls himself Harriechristus on the Physics forum I go to. And I think he is totally serious.

I asked him if he had ever read Horton Hears a Who.
(A person's a person no matter how small. :p )

[Google Monster]

Thank you. Were you typing fast? <When the twin on earth ages lets say 40 years, the twin on earth will only age a few years.> I think that the second twin should be the one in the space ship. LOL! :)
I meant what I said! &lt;_&lt;

I keed, I keed, thanks for pointing that out. :smooch:

[jittus rye]

OH SHIT, I MOTION THIS IS MOVED TO SCIENCE NOTING IT HAS BEEN RESSURECTED. BY THE WAY JOFT, NICE COMMENT ABOUT THE UNIVERSE BEING A FRACTAL.