what type is the typical girl/guy?

[ataronchronon]

All personal experience and societal expectations aside, if you have a vision of what the "typical" girl is, or what the "typical" guy is, *whichever one is the opposite sex as you* what type would you assign them? After you vote, click to see why I'm asking. Use MBTI types as a guide.

allow me to clarify: if you were to encounter a member of the opposite sex, which type would you expect them to adhere to? That is, if they acted any differently, you would be surprised and say something something like "you're not like most other girls/guys." This is what YOUR vision of what the typical member of the opposite sex is like. What kind of behavior would you expect?

I probably should've thought more about the reader when writing this because there is no objective, true answer. I don't want to know what you think society expects of girls, nor do I want to know about percentages. I just want to know what kind of behavior you would expect a member of the opposite sex to exhibit, there is no right or wrong answer.

In socionics, they say that when someone describes the typical member of the opposite sex, they tend to describe their dual. This means that if you are a socionics INTj, you would say that the typical girl is an ESFj, and if you're and INTp, the typical girl would be an ESFp. This doesn't quite fit if you use personal experience to fill in the knowledge gaps, so I'm going to assume there is a pretty weak correlation.

Also, my own theory here: when society comes into play, a logical type girl (INTj for example) would probably think the typical guy is logical because it is socially accepted that guys are logically oriented, and vice versa if the guy is ethical. I'm going to wager that the typical guy to an INTj girl would be ESTj and INTp girl would say ESTp.

If you want to know more about which socionics type you are, I can give you some information.

[SolitaryWalker]

All personal experience and societal expectations aside, if you have a vision of what the "typical" girl is, or what the "typical" guy is, what type would you assign them? After you vote, click to see why I'm asking.

In socionics, they say that when someone describes the typical member of the opposite sex, they tend to describe their dual. This means that if you are a socionics INTj, you would say that the typical girl is an ESFj, and if you're and INTp, the typical girl would be an ESFp. This doesn't quite fit if you use personal experience to fill in the knowledge gaps, so I'm going to assume there is a pretty weak correlation.

Also, my own theory here: when society comes into play, a logical type girl (INTj for example) would probably think the typical guy is logical because it is socially accepted that guys are logically oriented, and vice versa if the guy is ethical. I'm going to wager that the typical guy to an INTj girl would be ESTj and INTp girl would say ESTp.

If you want to know more about which socionics type you are, I can give you some information.


What is the purpose of this thread?

[Krill]

The typical female is whatever type has the highest percentage of the female population.

Likewise for male.

(Was that a typical INTP response?)

[SolitaryWalker]

The typical female is whatever type has the highest percentage of the female population.

Likewise for male.

(Was that a typical INTP response?)

ESFJ is the typical female. FeSiNeTi

[booyalab]

the typical guy is not an F

[SolitaryWalker]

the typical guy is not an F


ESTJ

[booyalab]

ESTJ

but that doesn't say anything about my dual, does it?

btw, I think the typical girl is an ESFJ....does that make me an INTJ then? even though i'm not a man.

[Tonks]

In socionics, they say that when someone describes the typical member of the opposite sex, they tend to describe their dual. This means that if you are a socionics INTj, you would say that the typical girl is an ESFj, and if you're and INTp, the typical girl would be an ESFp. This doesn't quite fit if you use personal experience to fill in the knowledge gaps, so I'm going to assume there is a pretty weak correlation.

Also, my own theory here: when society comes into play, a logical type girl (INTj for example) would probably think the typical guy is logical because it is socially accepted that guys are logically oriented, and vice versa if the guy is ethical. I'm going to wager that the typical guy to an INTj girl would be ESTj and INTp girl would say ESTp.

I don't really understand socionomics, and/or don't believe in it, but at first thought I would say the "typical person" to a minority like INTPs would probably be someone who is an opposite of themselves, because those are the characteristics you notice more in other people or cause conflict. So I voted ESFJ. Although I would say the typical guy is ESTJ or ESTP.

[demagogic_schizoid]

typical male=ISTP
typical female=ESFJ

[ataronchronon]

well it's kinda obvious to us that the typical girl is an ESFJ. ESTJ is close enough if you're a girl because it's obvious that guys aren't typically F types. I'm interested in what other types think is the typical member of the opposite sex, but I'm not entirely sure how to go about asking them.

duality is real btw and socionics is a more complete theory of what MBTI tries to explain.


What is the purpose of this thread?
You didn't like my explanation? If you said ESFj, you could be an INTj, but if you said ESFp, you could be an INTp.

[booyalab]

well it's kinda obvious to us that the typical girl is an ESFJ. ESTJ is close enough if you're a girl because it's obvious that guys aren't typically F types. I'm interested in what other types think is the typical member of the opposite sex, but I'm not entirely sure how to go about asking them.

An ESTJs dual is not INTJ or INTP though. So, according to this theory, an introverted NT girl can't clarify her type by making an educated guess about what type the typical guy is.

[Zero Angel]

ESFJ is supposedly the most common type in females -- also society tends to enforce ESFJ values in females so you would tend to get some variation among that as well, an ESTJ female might be socialized to act more like an ESFJ because that is the status quo (however ESTJ females are considerably harder edged than ESFJs in spite of that socialization) -- ESTJ and ESFJ are both pretty common among males, ESFJ males can be just as macho as anyone, they simply express their Fe differently. The types might vary among cultures -- Canadian culture favors EF, american culture favors ET males (and SF females), Japanese culture would probably favor NT males and IF females, etc.

An overwhelming proportion of women I encounter seem to be ESFJ's -- it is not very hard to notice.

[demagogic_schizoid]

so we're agreed that women are more E and J and men are more I and P? I'm glad about that, I thought I was the only one who thought this was kind of obvious.

[amazingkae]

It would be my greatest hope that neither of the two personality types the thread starter mentioned would be quantified as the norm. It would make life tedious when forced to be involved socially in the community to have to deal with "all this" or "all that" (and I am not normally enthralled dealing either of the types mentioned).

Just thoughts... Not protest-worthy. Simply hoping for more diversity and keeping "E's" in small doses (to protect and support quiet, logical and ethical integrity thinking "I" cultures everywhere)...

EF? shudder... EJ? duck and cover. Either types are too much for me to deal with normally--and, no offense meant to anybody decent, intelligent, and friendly from these groups but the negative people of these types BORE me. [Like watching grimey little circus monkeys.] They can be really truly horrible depending on their upbringing...

There are a handful of good E's out there who I really like to be around (or that I can handle being around in limited doses), but for the most part many of them "think" in such illogical ways that they astound me. :blink:

But then again, it could simply be deficiencies in my personality. Is it just me? I just have this compulsive need to think and to base my decisions in life on practical truths and what is the right decision under any given set of moral parameters analytically. Pragmatically, striving for excellence and honor appeals to me.

Them to me? :devil: Me to them? I say, ":P" with a long, heathy round of :rofl: following (simply because to them I appear to be the one who is a freak).

[Amazingkae waves hello to everybody...]

[ataronchronon]

An ESTJs dual is not INTJ or INTP though. So, according to this theory, an introverted NT girl can't clarify her type by making an educated guess about what type the typical guy is.

You're right, society has an influence on that one. You said ESTJ instead of ESTP, so I'll say that probably equates to a guy saying ESFJ instead of ESFP. I'll put you down for ESFJ.

Furthermore, your idea of what an ESTJ guy might act like might actually be closer to what an ESFJ guy acts like, so again, I'll put you down for ESFJ.

[SolitaryWalker]

typical male=ISTP


ISTPs gotta be more rare than that...

[Gala]

I'm not sure I understanding your use of the word 'typical'. Do you ask us to guess the statistical distribution, and give you the mean, medan and modal groups?

If you mean what type is social promoted and presented as the 'norm' by the media and culture in general, then its absolutly ESFJ for women. She is supposed to be gregarious, outgoing, lovey-dovey and emotional to the point of irrationality, non-theoretical and neat, tidy, routinised and structured in her life.
With men I don't think its quite as one dimentional. Dominant culture allows for more variety in the 'typical' male. In other words I think our culture allows for more than one way of being 'matcho' but only one way of being truely 'feminine'.

[ataronchronon]

I'm not sure I understanding your use of the word 'typical'. Do you ask us to guess the statistical distribution, and give you the mean, medan and modal groups?

If you mean what type is social promoted and presented as the 'norm' by the media and culture in general, then its absolutly ESFJ for women. She is supposed to be gregarious, outgoing, lovey-dovey and emotional to the point of irrationality, non-theoretical and neat, tidy, routinised and structured in her life.
With men I don't think its quite as one dimentional. Dominant culture allows for more variety in the 'typical' male. In other words I think our culture allows for more than one way of being 'matcho' but only one way of being truely 'feminine'.

allow me to repeat myself, if you have a vision of what the "typical" girl is, or what the "typical" guy is, *whichever one is the opposite sex as you* what type would you assign them? This means that if you were to encounter a member of the opposite sex, which type would you expect them to adhere to? If they acted any differently, you would be surprised and say something similar to "you're not like most other girls/guys." This is what YOUR vision of what the typical member of the opposite sex is like.

[Chaselation]

http://16types.free.fr/16types.html Distribution by type.

ISTJ Men
ISFJ Women
ISTJ All types.

[Gala]

So the fact that in my answer I focused on the same sex as myslef is perhaps a little disturbing!
Oh, well, never mind

[ataronchronon]

http://16types.free.fr/16types.html Distribution by type.

ISTJ Men
ISFJ Women
ISTJ All types.

I'm not interested in statistics. Read the OP again.

[Chaselation]

I'm not interested in statistics. Read the OP again.

I replied at the time of your edit. The debate seemed to lacking this information at the time.

[booyalab]

http://16types.free.fr/16types.html Distribution by type.

ISTJ Men
ISFJ Women
ISTJ All types.

notice something about the language?

[Samurai Drifter]

According to that site, extroverts are in the minority. That doesn't seem right...

[booyalab]

You're right, society has an influence on that one. You said ESTJ instead of ESTP, so I'll say that probably equates to a guy saying ESFJ instead of ESFP. I'll put you down for ESFJ.
you're disregarding the way this entire thing supposedly works. it's not even a socionics thing anymore, since the socionics thing depends on the way that a type interacts with their dual and the way they view the world at large. it's your bastardized, ignorant version of socionics.



Furthermore, your idea of what an ESTJ guy might act like might actually be closer to what an ESFJ guy acts like, so again, I'll put you down for ESFJ.

ok you're insane.

[shum]

first i dont see the importance of looking at the opposite sex.

anyway all the men that i seem to meet for dating purposes are EF'S.

i dont have any ideas about typical people's types. i tend to think everyone that i click with is enfp but then when they do the test i am wrong.

unless they are all lying. they wouldnt do that to me, would they?

[Tonks]

allow me to repeat myself, if you have a vision of what the "typical" girl is, or what the "typical" guy is, *whichever one is the opposite sex as you* what type would you assign them? This means that if you were to encounter a member of the opposite sex, which type would you expect them to adhere to? If they acted any differently, you would be surprised and say something similar to "you're not like most other girls/guys." This is what YOUR vision of what the typical member of the opposite sex is like.

Oh, you wrote the OPPOSITE sex! I didn't see that. :blush:

But...my answer's not in the list, b/c I'm a girl and I would guess the typical guy to be ESTP or ISTJ.

mmmmm :huh:

[Tonks]

The problem is: what do you mean by "typical"? B/c we all think it means "average", and apparantly you don't. From experience and statistics we know "typical" people are SJs.

Did you mean to ask: what type do you expect your typical romantic interest to be? Because you're talking about duals, so...

[Carebear]

All personal experience and societal expectations aside, if you have a vision of what the "typical" girl is, or what the "typical" guy is, *whichever one is the opposite sex as you* what type would you assign them? After you vote, click to see why I'm asking. Use MBTI types as a guide.

[...]

I probably should've thought more about the reader when writing this because there is no objective, true answer. I don't want to know what you think society expects of girls, nor do I want to know about percentages. I just want to know what kind of behavior you would expect a member of the opposite sex to exhibit, there is no right or wrong answer.

[...]

In socionics, they say that when someone describes the typical member of the opposite sex, they tend to describe their dual.



This means that if you were to encounter a member of the opposite sex, which type would you expect them to adhere to? If they acted any differently, you would be surprised and say something similar to "you're not like most other girls/guys." This is what YOUR vision of what the typical member of the opposite sex is like.


I'm not interested in statistics. Read the OP again.

You're asking us to put "all personal experience and societal expectations aside" and "use MBTI types as a guide", but no, we're not supposed to use MBTI statistics, we're supposed to tell about our own societal expectations if we hadn't known anything about MBTI except the type labels?

If that's the case, maybe you could answer this one: Expectations and experience aside, what do you think happens if you drop a rock in thin air? I don't want to hear what science says about it, neither do I want to hear about physics, this is about what YOUR vision of what the typical behaviour of the rock would be.


Edit: Hm... your "theory" might actually be right if you talk with people unaware of MBTI/socionics etc, but as soon as people have accepted and understood these theories, they tend to play down the focus on finding typical traits for females/males (except boobies).

[ataronchronon]

you're disregarding the way this entire thing supposedly works. it's not even a socionics thing anymore, since the socionics thing depends on the way that a type interacts with their dual and the way they view the world at large. it's your bastardized, ignorant version of socionics.


Yes, that's true. The way you view the world at large. Your dual is viewed as nothing special to you, which any article on duality will tell you, like this one on socioniko:


How can one detect his dual? Initially communication with your dual does not create any special feeling of comfort: everything progresses quite ordinarily and does not awake special emotions. Your dual is perceived as your shadow, as something quite natural and thus meaning nothing. Only upon parting with him/her you gradually begin to understand how you needed him/her. Losing your dual is perceived very painfully. Finally you begin to realize that his/her presence calms you down, that it gives a feeling of protection. This effect even increases for duals with suitable subtypes.

I'm sensing some hostility from you, so I feel as if I'm not explaining myself enough. Each type views each other in a certain way that is consistent with their intertype relation. Duals happen to see each other has nothing really special right away, but that changes pretty quickly. You have had certain influences to change your view of what the typical guy is, statistics, personal experiences, etc., but to answer this question you can't rely on those. Maybe I'm being slightly hasty in assigning you a type :P


The problem is: what do you mean by "typical"? B/c we all think it means "average", and apparantly you don't. From experience and statistics we know "typical" people are SJs.

Did you mean to ask: what type do you expect your typical romantic interest to be? Because you're talking about duals, so...

Well you see, duality is somewhat counterintuitive to most people (especially to people on this forum apparently). Your typical romantic interest probably wont be your dual unless you have had previous experience.

You're asking us to put "all personal experience and societal expectations aside" and "use MBTI types as a guide", but no, we're not supposed to use MBTI statistics, we're supposed to tell about our own societal expectations if we hadn't known anything about MBTI except the type labels?

If that's the case, maybe you could answer this one: Expectations and experience aside, what do you think happens if you drop a rock in thin air? I don't want to hear what science says about it, neither do I want to hear about physics, this is about what YOUR vision of what the typical behaviour of the rock would be.


Edit: Hm... your "theory" might actually be right if you talk with people unaware of MBTI/socionics etc, but as soon as people have accepted and understood these theories, they tend to play down the focus on finding typical traits for females/males (except boobies).

I know it's a lot to ask to forget all these influences. That's why this question is not very reliable. People keep relying on their experiences and what society expects to give a reliable answer. It's supposed to help you figure out your socionics type, but society gets in the way. :(

I said use MBTI types as a guide because the original idea was to conjure up an image of what the typical member of the opposite sex would be, and then assign them a type. This was a pretty tall order now that I think about it.

I think the dropping a rock analogy is kinda bad because there is no other way to look at how a rock might fall because everyone has seen a rock fall. There is no disputing that. I know what you're getting at, but there really is no typical person, so there must be a subjective answer. MBTI comes up with statistics, so instead on relying on your own opinion, you might feel inclined to quote them. This is counter-productive to the purpose of the question, but there really is no way around it. Not everyone has seen the "typical person" because there really is no typical person, unlike the way a rock falls, because there is only one way a rock can fall.

It's ok though. This really wont give anyone a definitive answer because there are too many personal experiences that could influence someone to change their views.

Basically the theory is, an INTj guy would view girls as more E, more S, and more F on average. J/P don't really play a part in it, but it should match your own type, so a typical girl would be a j to an INTj.
And it is the same with INTp, but they would both share the p instead of j.
Similarly, if you hear what a female ESFj thinks about the typical guy, she will probably describe someone that is more I, more N, more T and probably j, unless of course, she has had experiences that convince her otherwise.

Again, this shouldn't provide any definitive answers to anyone other than the fact that your dual really isn't anything out of the ordinary to you, initially. That is how dual relations are viewed by each type.

Don't let me confuse you too much. :P

[Autumn]

What people think is typical that has to be seen -> E.
What is typical that has to be consequent -> J.
We knew about that if N was typical, sadly this is not the case -> S.
Traditionally manly attitude -> T.
Traditionally feminine attitude -> F.

[Tonks]

Basically the theory is, an INTj guy would view girls as more E, more S, and more F on average. J/P don't really play a part in it, but it should match your own type, so a typical girl would be a j to an INTj.
And it is the same with INTp, but they would both share the p instead of j.
Similarly, if you hear what a female ESFj thinks about the typical guy, she will probably describe someone that is more I, more N, more T and probably j, unless of course, she has had experiences that convince her otherwise.


Like I wrote before, a certain rare type will view the "average" person to be their opposite, at least in the traits they have which are rare. So for INTPs, the average person looks more extraverted, a sensor, a feeler and more judging. I don't see why that last trait would be any different.

For me personally, the "typical" person looks more E, S, and J. The typical woman also looks more F, and maybe half of men as well.

You know what, sometimes theory doesn't match reality.

When I was in therapy I once told my psychologist I didn't think his theory of emotions (thought causes emotion causes action) applied to my particular case. Later I read in a scientific journal about brain scans which indicated I was actually right. Therefore, I like to rely on my own common sense and experience as well as facts and theories.

Btw, I'm kinda starting to feel sorry for ataronchronon, because nobody understands what the hell is trying to say (does he understand it himself???). Poor bastard.

[ataronchronon]

Btw, I'm kinda starting to feel sorry for ataronchronon, because nobody understands what the hell is trying to say (does he understand it himself???). Poor bastard.

eh, it's ok. I'm sure everyone here has felt like they're saying something really simple, but no one really understands it. That whole "I feel like I'm taking crazy pills" feeling. No big deal.

[Kahlua]

Well I don't see what the confusion is about.

Personally I would say my ideal converted into MBTI would be:

I > E : I'm somewhere in the middle and as much as I like E friends as far as sharing intimaticies and all that vibe I would prefer an I, but not too extreme.

N > S : In general I prefer this rare way of looking at the world.

F > T : I need some F to bring me out of T.

J > P : I see this as the most important magnetism.

Method: Shake and strain over ice.

There we go, the recipie for Kahlua's perfect girl.

[ataronchronon]

Well I don't see what the confusion is about.

Personally I would say my ideal converted into MBTI would be:

I > E : I'm somewhere in the middle and as much as I like E friends as far as sharing intimaticies and all that vibe I would prefer an I, but not too extreme.

N > S : In general I prefer this rare way of looking at the world.

F > T : I need some F to bring me out of T.

J > P : I see this as the most important magnetism.

Method: Shake and strain over ice.

There we go, the recipie for Kahlua's perfect girl.

What you want is seldom, if ever, what you need--and your recipe for the perfect girl sounds a lot like everyone else's on this site. It's not about dichotomies, it's about how the functions line up. Socionics is quite a bit different than MBTI, moreso than you might think. Check this out:

http://www.socionics.us/practice/duality.shtml

[Ferrus]

ESTJ for men, ESFJ for women. I think men display the greatest divergence from the standard average though, much as is the case with genetic illnesses and general intelligence. With all it is likely a result of only having one 'X' chromosome, so the more extreme alleles are cancelled out as they very often are in women.

[Kahlua]

What you want is seldom, if ever, what you need--and your recipe for the perfect girl sounds a lot like everyone else's on this site. It's not about dichotomies, it's about how the functions line up. Socionics is quite a bit different than MBTI, moreso than you might think. Check this out:

http://www.socionics.us/practice/duality.shtml


My experience with girls is broad, to be truthful. I have no interest in what I *need*, I don't *need* anyone (I understand most people have difficulty in believing in this concept or accepting it for that matter). At this point I am sure enough of myself to want what someone is who when breaking down is classified as INFJ and it has nothing to do with socionics or because I am classified as an INTP. Not all INFJs I'm sure are my perfect girl, but the ones I've come across set my neurons alight and turn me to goo.

[Tayshaun]

Typical guy: ISTJ then ISTP
Typical girl: ISFJ then ESFJ

[Kristiana]

Typical guy = xSTx

Typical girl = xSFx

[Randomnity]

I think the stereotypical guy (my age) is XSTP...extroverted or introverted (both seem typical), thrill-seeking, not particularly empathetic and disorganized.

The stereotypical female is ISFJ...quiet, practical, empathetic and organized.

[SensEye]

Statistically, I know E's outnumber I's.

S's outnumber N's.

T's and F's are split 50/50 but not along gender lines, guys are 75% T and girls are 75% F.

P/J is pretty much 50/50

Conclusion: typical guy is ESTx, typical girl is ESFx

[Ivora]

In my personaly opinion, I would say a typical girl would be (I/E)STJ. Probably not true, but that would be how I see them in general if I had to choose. This is based on most of the ones I've met. Truthfully, I haven't met many F girls, though apparently there's supposed to be alot.