Let's vote for president right now

[garak]

The forum limits the options to 20, so I picked all of the democratic & republican candidates and "potential candidates" from here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2008) and then had to pick 3 to weed out, so I picked these guys:

R - Former Senator and actor Fred Thompson of Tennessee
R - Representative Tom Tancredo of Colorado
R - Senator Tom Coburn of Oklahoma

I doubt anyone was gonna vote for them anyway.

[demagogic_schizoid]

My money's on Bloomberg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Bloomberg)

[CTG]

obama

[garak]

My money's on Bloomberg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Bloomberg)

I was going to include him and all 3rd party candidates (and potential and "rumored" candidates), but again, the limit of 20 cramped my style.

[Lurker]

Hilary Clinton. I want a bitch who will fight for my causes.

[libertarianjim]

R - Former Senator and actor Fred Thompson of Tennessee

I doubt anyone was gonna vote for them anyway.

Fred Thompson.

[Metamorphosis]

hrm...Fred Thompson. I just recently did an essay on him. Luckily for him, no conservatives (that proudly display the fact) have a chance of winning this election.

[nfinityi]

I knew Barack would be winning this poll before I even opened the thread.

[Nighthawk]

Sorry ... none of the above.

[Kami]

Did US ever have "against all" option?
Russia has that.
Russia > US.

[Metamorphosis]

Did US ever have "against all" option?
Russia has that.
Russia > US.

Yes, it's called not voting. The single most effective way to accomplish absolutely nothing, yet tends to lead people to say such ridiculous things as, "He's not my president. I didn't vote for him."

[booyalab]

R - Former Senator and actor Fred Thompson of Tennessee


WTF????? He's the best candidate there is. Even better than Ron Paul. Well-spoken, down to earth, knows US history, understands the issues (most if not all of which I agree with him on)...instead of just saying "i support blah blah"

I was psyched when I saw this thread, then you had to go and leave him out.


Fred Thompson.

heh. thank you.

[nfinityi]

Yes, it's called not voting. The single most effective way to accomplish absolutely nothing,
But it makes one Hell of a statement.

[booyalab]

But it makes one Hell of a statement.

Statements are bullshit.

:mellow:

[Kami]

"He's not my president. I didn't vote for him."
He's not my president. I didn't vote for him.
And even if I did, who gives a shit?
He/She's not my president anyway.

[nfinityi]

Statements are bullshit.

:mellow:
I'll pretend that was sarcasm.

[booyalab]

I'll pretend that was sarcasm.

god you're dense.

[demagogic_schizoid]

But it makes one Hell of a statement.

what statement? Do politicians act as if they have less of a mandate just because only 50% of the population votes? Do they fuck.

If all those people went and spoiled their papers it might make a statement. Simply not voting is just ignored and interpreted as benign apathy - ie contentment.

[garak]

WTF????? He's the best candidate there is. Even better than Ron Paul. Well-spoken, down to earth, knows US history, understands the issues (most if not all of which I agree with him on)...instead of just saying "i support blah blah"

I was psyched when I saw this thread, then you had to go and leave him out.



heh. thank you.

Me when creating thread:

"Ah shit, I can only have 20. Well I'll just delete some of these no-name guys... wait a minute, I bet one of these no-name guys is gonna end up being not so no-name and I'll look like a big idiot."

[booyalab]

Me when creating thread:

"Ah shit, I can only have 20. Well I'll just delete some of these no-name guys... wait a minute, I bet one of these no-name guys is gonna end up being not so no-name and I'll look like a big idiot."

I can understand that....Thompson just announced he was running a matter of days ago. You should have left out John Edwards, i voted for him in jest but if anyone else wants to vote for him...i'd rather not know about it.

[Kami]

Make your bets, ladies and gentlemen!
Republicans or Democrats?
Beatles or Stones?
Pepsi or Coke?

The world needs to know!

[demagogic_schizoid]

Beatles and Coke

[bergenski]

Hillary's gonna win...

[garak]

While we're on the subject: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/james-boyce/the-iraq-war-vote-was-69_b_50742.html

[ajblaise]

only a couple people who are running aren't tools...kucinich and ron paul. i'd like to see either of them win, but they will never have a chance for that very reason.

i'd also support gore if he got into the race.

[garak]

only a couple people who are running aren't tools...kucinich and ron paul. i'd like to see either of them win, but they will never have a chance for that very reason.

i'd also support gore if he got into the race.

Gravel too. Kucinich generally seems decent, but he's got superficial flaws that make it hard to take him seriously. "Aw look at that cute little munchkin."

Dennis and wife
http://www.offrampbums.com/kucinich.jpg
(http://www.offrampbums.com/kucinich.jpg)

[rek]

I'm switching to Republican to vote for Ron in the primaries. If he isn't chosen to run I will either a) proudly not vote or b) vote for Ron anyway if he runs independent or 3rd party.

Now, I wouldn't vote for the guy, but if I had to pick a president from the options besides ron paul I would pick Fred Thompson (he should have been included over most the guys you included). If Ron isn't chosen I will hope Fred is, and then I will prefer he wins the election but I probably wouldn't go vote for him.

Now, out of those who will likely be chosen to represent the major parties... I guess I'll probably end up preferring Obama to win (over guiliani or most the other republicans). I sure as hell wont vote for the socialist, but hey at least he can speak and people do/will like him.

As long as Hillary loses the American people win, and by "win" I mean lose just slightly less terribly than we could have.

Who watched Ron on the Daily Show last night? I did! :)

[nfinityi]

god you're dense.
Oh, I got it, it just wasn't clever.

[garak]

Now, out of those who will likely be chosen to represent the major parties... I guess I'll probably end up preferring Obama to win (over guiliani or most the other republicans). I sure as hell wont vote for the socialist, but hey at least he can speak and people do/will like him.

As long as Hillary loses the American people win, and by "win" I mean lose just slightly less terribly than we could have.

Yeah, at this point I'd still be pretty happy to settle for someone who simply isn't blatantly corrupt and actually has a shred of genuineness/decency/depth to them -- even if I disagree with their ideology and whatnot. Obama fits that perfectly and that's why he seems like a better candidate than Hillary. Hillary's evil if you ask me.

Oh and I saw ron on the daily show this morning.

[ajblaise]

Gravel too. Kucinich generally seems decent, but he's got superficial flaws that make it hard to take him seriously. "Aw look at that cute little munchkin."

he might look like a small woodland creature, but i believe his wife makes up for it.

[Lateralus]

I can understand that....Thompson just announced he was running a matter of days ago. You should have left out John Edwards, i voted for him in jest but if anyone else wants to vote for him...i'd rather not know about it.
I was wondering cast that vote for Edwards...

[Lateralus]

I knew Barack would be winning this poll before I even opened the thread.
He's the media darling. Of course he's leading. Americans are stupid.

[Czar]

Yeah, at this point I'd still be pretty happy to settle for someone who simply isn't blatantly corrupt and actually has a shred of genuineness/decency/depth to them -- even if I disagree with their ideology and whatnot. Obama fits that perfectly and that's why he seems like a better candidate than Hillary. Hillary's evil if you ask me.

Oh and I saw ron on the daily show this morning.



We are talking "American" politics right??? While I agree with your statement about Hillary (I'm a native Arkansan and I can't stand the Clintons) I'm waiting for Obama's skeletons to come out of the closet. They all have skeletons, the only question is how many and what type.

I'm pulling for McCain or Fred Thompson but they both have skeletons too. At least most of them are already known and deal with marital infidelity which is not an issue I consider a disqualification for the job.

[garak]

We are talking "American" politics right??? While I agree with your statement about Hillary (I'm a native Arkansan and I can't stand the Clintons) I'm waiting for Obama's skeletons to come out of the closet. They all have skeletons, the only question is how many and what type.

I'm pulling for McCain or Fred Thompson but they both have skeletons too. At least most of them are already known and deal with marital infidelity which is not an issue I consider a disqualification for the job.

McCain is fucking nuts. "They'll follow us back here." The boogeyman's gonna get us. The guy's a looney fear monger. The only people worse than McCain are probably the two guys currently in there, and Giuliani.

[garak]

McCain on the Double Talk Express (http://youtube.com/watch?v=ioy90nF2anI)

[Wolf]

Hilary Clinton. I want a bitch who will fight for my causes.
She is certainly a bitch, but she'll only fight for your causes if you're extremely wealthy.

I protest this poll, as there are no reasonable candidates here.

[airjaw]

barack's a charmer.. but he has no experience
i'd go with hilary over obama.

overall tho..
1. ron paul
2. hilary
3. obama

[Hamro]

Mike Gravel.

[Dr. Haight]

I'm going to add my two-cents without reading the thread:

The average US citizen is not ready for a Black President . . . yet. The folks that decide who will be presented before the American people as a choice for President are not ready for a Black President either. It will happen, but not anytime soon.

A female becoming President has a greater possibility based on voting power, and their position being further up the white-male-elite dominated ladder than that of the competing minority groups.

With that said, I would elect a Black female third-party candidate tomorrow if it were up to me.



Carry on . . .

[Lateralus]

barack's a charmer.. but he has no experience
i'd go with hilary over obama.

overall tho..
1. ron paul
2. hilary
3. obama
Experience is overrated.

[Wolf]

Haight: How about Condi? Extremely intelligent, harsh, lived in poverty, etc, etc, etc. I like to advocate her to stir the pot a bit, and I think the Republicans would do well to run her, though I know she doesn't want to and they're all too backward to accept someone that isn't white and doesn't come from a wealthy background.

[Dr. Haight]

Haight: How about Condi? Extremely intelligent, harsh, lived in poverty, etc, etc, etc. Um, not going to happen.

For a Black candidate to win, they have to be from the South, and have to legitimately represent the South.

And as far as Rice is concerned, she would have better odds if she were a Democrat.

[Wolf]

Um, not going to happen.

For a Black candidate to win, they have to be from the South, and have to legitimately represent the South.

And as far as Rice is concerned, she would have better odds if she were a Democrat.
From is there, represent might not be. She grew up in the segregated south...

And yes, you're right. Not that she wants to run, anyway.

[rawr]

Obama is a tool, so is Hillary. they shouldn't even be an option.

[Wolf]

Obama is a tool, so is Hillary. they shouldn't even be an option.
You must be pretty young if you still believe that any politician from any major party is not a tool.

[rawr]

You must be pretty young if you still believe that any politician from any major party is not a tool.

you don't get into power by not being a tool.

[Faust06]

Usually. But, a tool for whom? Who's in charge?

[Czar]

McCain is fucking nuts. "They'll follow us back here." The boogeyman's gonna get us. The guy's a looney fear monger. The only people worse than McCain are probably the two guys currently in there, and Giuliani.

I didn't say the guy is perfect. He's flip-flopped on several issue I see as telling such as guns and S. Carolina having a Confederate Flag on their State House.

As far as fear mongering, believe what you want. I happen to agree that the issue of terrorism isn't geographically limited, and the INTJ in me would rather fight them not on our own soil. I have very good reasons for this belief that I will not get into.

As many have said, they're all fucked up in one way or another. Hell, if the Libertarians had a chance in hell, I would be more inclined to fall that way, but I'm going to be realistic about the situation.

Other than that, I'm voting my paycheck. Democrats don't like spending money with technology companies so I see them as a threat to my livelihood.



Everyone is going to vote their personal interest as they have in every election known. The only question is what personal interest holds the top spot in their hierarchy as there will be conflicts.

For me, I'll take anyone who'll leave my guns alone, take national security seriously (I won't get started on my thoughts on DHS... nutshell: fucking joke), and not cut funding for projects I work on.

Selfish I know, but hey, that's how it works in a democratic republic.

[Kami]

Usually. But, a tool for whom? Who's in charge?
The market. The money.
And cut out the "usually". It's not usually, it's always.

[ataronchronon]

Barack out with your cock out!

:banana:

[Ferrus]

Do the 'Wobblies' still put up candidates?

[Mountain_Recluse]

If Condi was in the race, I'd vote for her over ALL the other candidates.

She is getting an education in foreign policy that the other characters will spend four years worth of mistakes learning. I'd rather somebody who has been there, seen the mistakes, and knows the foreign characters we are dealing with. The present bunch of Senators, Governors, and Mayor would be starting as amateurs. Have we not had enough of such amateurs?

Besides, she is far more qualified than Hillary -- and could beat Hillary!

[garak]

If Condi was in the race, I'd vote for her over ALL the other candidates.

She is getting an education in foreign policy that the other characters will spend four years worth of mistakes learning. I'd rather somebody who has been there, seen the mistakes, and knows the foreign characters we are dealing with. The present bunch of Senators, Governors, and Mayor would be starting as amateurs. Have we not had enough of such amateurs?

Besides, she is far more qualified than Hillary -- and could beat Hillary!

She's also a Bush lackey. Why in the hell would we want one of those?

And I don't think being an "amateur" is a bad thing at all -- as long as they go in there with the right intentions and attitude and capability. I think we need people who are LESS entrenched in government corruption being elected. Of course at this point in history, that's a pipe dream.

[Lateralus]

The current group of amateurs are no different than those who preceded them, other than they have less experience. We need "amateurs" who aren't part of the system. The problem is, that's never going to happen. We're more likely to end up with someone who thinks nukes are the answer to what ails us.

[Wolf]

I think we need people who are LESS entrenched in government corruption being elected. Of course at this point in history, that's a pipe dream.
Then Billary is definitely not an option for you; you'd be better off with Condi in that case.

[C.J.Woolf]

I suppose it's fun talking about Condi Rice as a presidential candidate, but it ain't gonna happen. She has no personal power base. Also, W is so radioactive I predict that no Bushie will ever work in that town again, unless it's for FOX or one of the right-wing think tanks (aka "wingnut welfare").

[Lateralus]

Then Billary is definitely not an option for you; you'd be better off with Condi in that case.
Or how about neither! I don't believe garak was advocating Hillary Clinton.

[s'box]

Do the 'Wobblies' still put up candidates?

No one '08

It sure would be wierd for an anarchist trade union to put up political candidates.


I put kucinich for this as hes the least repulsive fellow around though I'm rather certain I wont waste my time with voting at all. protesting the elections when they come around would probably be a vastly more worthwhile venture.

[garak]

Then Billary is definitely not an option for you; you'd be better off with Condi in that case.

I wouldn't vote for either in a million years.

[Ferrus]

garak, would you stand for president?

[garak]

garak, would you stand for president?

Eh? As in, me be elected?

[Ferrus]

Eh? As in, me be elected?
Yes. On an INTP ticket.

[Anonymous]

Why is a man who would keep the patriot act in effect winning? (at the time when I wrote that, Obama was winning)

[garak]

Yes. On an INTP ticket.

Sure. I'd be a shoe in.

[vulcan]

Ron Paul!

[Lateralus]

Why is a man who would keep the patriot act in effect winning?
Ron Paul wouldn't keep the Patriot Act in effect (he's winning right now). Obama is a tool. So many of the people voting for him are only voting because he's a media darling...sheep.

[vulcan]

Yeah, hopefully you weren't talking about Ron Paul, because he has explicitly stated that he will destroy the Patriot Act.

[Anonymous]

Yeah, I was talking about Obama. He was winning when I wrote that... should have clarified.

[Spring]

I don't think I could choose between Obama and Paul. However, they are the most qualified candidates so that almost assures neither of them will be nominated. It would be a crime if we actually had a decent president.

[ataronchronon]

Hm, when I voted I had no idea who Ron Paul was. Then again, I don't pay very much attention to anything, let alone the news. I would like to retract my previous call to "Barack out with your cock out" and am now very interested in Ron Paul's campaign. Too bad he's a republican because he might be pushed aside by the religious right that he doesn't seem to be a part of. I would vote for him.

On a side note, he was on The Colbert Report and any politician that's brave enough to go on his show earns instant street cred with me.

Mitt Romney is a fucktard, I hope he doesn't lose to him.

[Xenophon]

I like Ron Paul because I think he would bring about an almost complete destruction of the US political system, and I think that would be good for the country. But of the candidates who actually have a chance, I have got to vote for Obama.

I don't really know why there are so many people calling Obama a tool. He is obviously intelligent, and seems to be a pretty genuine guy. Yet he doesn't seem to be fundamentally attached to any dogmatic beliefs. He is reasonably centrist, yet would at the same time represent a major shift in our political history being the first non WASP ever elected to office.

[apple]

I don't really know why there are so many people calling Obama a tool.

Not everyone, just Lateralus. You should read the irony of his post. ;)

[euterpenc]

I like Ron Paul because I think he would bring about an almost complete destruction of the US political system, and I think that would be good for the country. But of the candidates who actually have a chance, I have got to vote for Obama.

I don't really know why there are so many people calling Obama a tool. He is obviously intelligent, and seems to be a pretty genuine guy. Yet he doesn't seem to be fundamentally attached to any dogmatic beliefs. He is reasonably centrist, yet would at the same time represent a major shift in our political history being the first non WASP ever elected to office.

I've heard others say that about Obama too though. He seems like too much of a "smiley glad-hand." Ron Paul less so, seeming to be a more genuine person, and not effusively smiley and media friendly.

[Ellipsis]

I've heard others say that about Obama too though. He seems like too much of a "smiley glad-hand." Ron Paul less so, seeming to be a more genuine person, and not effusively smiley and media friendly.

I voted Ron Paul....ever since I saw him on Attack of the Show I was like hmmm...he seems like what republicans need to be....by voting for him you ensure more change then voting for Obama becauase he would most likely be able to be able to "fix" the republicans...If it came down to Obama VS. Ron I would vote Ron but somehow I know it won't....I only wish it did....Go Obama :mellow:

Love Ron's freedom of the Internet stuff...

[garak]

Ron Paul now has more cash on hand than McCain. http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2007/07/ron-paul-tops-m.html

If you like Ron Paul and make a decent living, you should send him some money.

[Ellipsis]

Ron Paul now has more cash on hand than McCain. http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2007/07/ron-paul-tops-m.html

If you like Ron Paul and make a decent living, you should send him some money.

:( I am Canadian and my sending money to Ron might be considered somewhat ummm.... well I don't have Job and yeah....I don't make a decent living.....

..

[charred_heart]

WTF????? He's the best candidate there is.just for laughs, I checked him out in wikipedia and look what I found


In 1982, Thompson lobbied the U.S. Congress for deregulation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deregulation) of the Savings and Loan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savings_and_loan_association) (S&L) industry. His recommendations were incorporated in the Garn - St Germain Depository Institutions Act of 1982 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garn_-_St_Germain_Depository_Institutions_Act),[11] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Thompson#_note-MC961201) which allowed thrifts to invest in potentially more profitable, but riskier, ventures. It also eliminated interest-rate ceilings on new accounts; and granted additional government support to ailing S&Ls. This Act was a contributing factor to the Savings and Loan crisis (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savings_and_Loan_crisis) of the late 1980s.

whoah

[mycroft]

My vote's for Hillary. She's worldly, savvy, and strikes me as an ENTJ; ENTJs know how to Get Shit Done. (Jung is probably rolling in his grave as I sit here using his personality types as a factor in deciding who I would vote for as president of the United States.)

[airjaw]

Barack is great, I don't feel like its his time though. He is young by presidents' standards. while that doesn't mean he will do less good of a job, i do think he needs more political experience.

I would vote for any of these candidates if he/she came close to winning:
ron paul, bloomberg, kucinich, clinton, obama

[airjaw]

errr, where's bloomberg on the list?

also, who the hell voted for Giuliani?

[Simpatico]

I would love to see Hillary elected, but probably not for the same reasons many of you would.

[Mr Pink]

I'm not American, but I voted anyway.

[Ellipsis]

I'm not American, but I voted anyway.

So did I, so did I....Let the rest of the World vote for your goverment....I think thats a good idea... many of your fellow citizens clearly don't know what good for them....

[garak]

errr, where's bloomberg on the list?

The poll feature has a maximum of 20 options.

[HermitJohn]

Ah the joys of coming to a party late and wading through huge number of posts. At least on this board, I am not thought crazy for mentioning Paul and Kucinich in same breath. I'd vote for either. Matter of fact I voted for Paul when he ran for president before on the Libertarian Party ticket. Back in 80s sometime I think.

Unfortunately neither has a snowball in July chance of getting a major party nomination. You have to be the biggest political prostitute out there to raise the kinda cash necessary to run successfully anymore. No room for idealists like Paul and Kucinich.

By way when I moved here to Arkansas, I was shocked to find I couldnt any longer write in a name on a ballot unless that person was an "official" "approved" and "registered" write in candidate. I ranted and raved to no effect as this apparently had happened years previously. Why do I get the feeling that Mickey Mouse won some election here in the past and embarrassed the politico that lost to him?

And the Libertarians dont even bother running candidates for state elections here anymore. Said it was big waste of money going through the "getting on the ballot" process each and every election. They apparently now use any money raised for ballot initiatives. Only alternative last election was several Green Party candidates and few independents. I voted for them except one race where the Republican was so offensively stupid, I voted for the Demo just out of shear disgust. Thankfully I wasnt the only person who felt such toward the guy as he got soundly defeated. Hey first time in long time I have voted for the winning candidate. Made me wish I hadnt wasted my vote as I liked the woman running on the Green ticket for that office. She was unusually bright and witty for a political candidate. Most just remind me of used car salemen. I mean would you buy a used car from either Slick Willy or Shrub or nearly anybody else on list above?

[Ellipsis]

Snowball in July....not a good statement when you live in my part of Canada...it has happened more then once....

[HermitJohn]

Snowball in July....not a good statement when you live in my part of Canada...it has happened more then once....

I can imagine. I lived in Upper Peninsula of Michigan for like 10 years. 30 miles from Lake Superior. And in a mini snow belt so snow just piled and piled. If you found some really heavily shaded area out in woods, might find remains of snow drift even into June. And I did get some vine ripened tomatoes, but they tasted like they had set in the fridge. I didnt experience it, but some lifelong residents of the area had pics of heavy ice storm in july.

So maybe for those living in climatically challenged areas, I should have said "Snowball in July in Arkansas" . Pretty sure there is no snow here in July. Lucky if plastic doesnt melt...

[Leafknight]

I have a bumper sticker that says, "Roslin for President: So say we all." I'm debating writing her in. Seriously.

[Denzien]

I have a bumper sticker that says, "Roslin for President: So say we all." I'm debating writing her in. Seriously.

I haven't heard a better suggestion. Do it.

[Creamzsoda]

Ron Paul ;)

[Chunes]

Ron Paul ;)

Aye. If I vote (doubtful) I'll write him in.

[ryan_m_parr]

We might as well fast-forward it in time, voting President Camacho

Edit: I would vote Ron Paul if we had a real choice. The media strategically favors opposition to those that really are better (debates had been side-swiped.)

[Mountain_Recluse]

McCain-Palin

[ryan_m_parr]

McCain-Palin

However doesn't it seem as though Palin, a former beauty queen and relatively unknown individual, strategically was placed into the spotlight to enable a very old Presidential candidate, to appear younger? In many ways McCain hasn't had much spotlight placed on his family, and in many ways Palin has now become associated with the psyche of American ideal --> The broken down concept of a Nuclear Family; a woebegone ideology that seems lost in modern American society, is miraculously revealed as a true venue even amongst ambitious politics.

I was very pleased with her recent speech in Alaska and recognize a very charismatic and pleasant individual. Charisma has a powerful effect on people, though surely if John McCain were to prematurely die in office, would she be ready anymore than the next candidate?

Personally I'm frightened by the possible future either McCain or Obama will lead us into. Obama publicly spoke something of a NWO, making me believe our "Democracy" is a little rigged (and smacks of reality television. . .)

[zserf]

If there has to be someone from Alaska in the White House, why can't it be Mike Gravel?

[msg_v2]

Yes. Mike Gravel ftw. That guy is awesome.

[garak]

McCain-Palin

Are you serious? How? Why?

edit: I notice you are an Air Force vet. Are you aware of McCain's anti-veteran voting record? And his subsequent lies to make it seem otherwise?

[ryan_m_parr]

Are you serious? How? Why?

edit: I notice you are an Air Force vet. Are you aware of McCain's anti-veteran voting record? And his subsequent lies to make it seem otherwise?

What I find unusual is that McCain voted repeatedly in support of torture

[garak]

What I find unusual is that McCain voted repeatedly in support of torture

Well, by the Bush admin's definition of what is or is not torture, McCain was not tortured.

[C.J.Woolf]

What I find unusual is that McCain voted repeatedly in support of torture Bush.
That's all the explanation you need. McCain's ambition has led him to prostitute himself and kowtow to people who he can't stand and who fucked him over in the 2000 campaign. Not a healthy thing to do, in my opinion.

[NoWhereMan]

Umm....I believe that's Palin-McCain